BARBER MENELAUS and BARBER MEMNON

BEDDY
25th February 2007, 23:22
Hello.
Anyone who can help me with photos of these two ships in Barber-livery??
Thanks in advance

makko
26th February 2007, 17:14
Beddy,

There are a couple of photos in the gallery of M boats on the BBS service. These vessels were in standard Blue Funnel livery and did not have "Barber Blue Sea" on the side. As I have commented before, unfortunately I only have in my possession an album and some loose photos from the Barber Priam. I will have a look though and see if by chance I have any of the Memnon.

Best regards,

Dave

Chief Office No.1 Son
28th February 2007, 01:44
Beddy,

There are a couple of photos in the gallery of M boats on the BBS service. These vessels were in standard Blue Funnel livery and did not have "Barber Blue Sea" on the side. As I have commented before, unfortunately I only have in my possession an album and some loose photos from the Barber Priam. I will have a look though and see if by chance I have any of the Memnon.

Best regards,

Dave

My father was a Chief Officer on the BBS Service from late 1977 to early 1983. He was Mate of the Perseus (ex Radnorshire), and the Phemius (ex Glenfinlas). and the four Japanese built M's, Menelaus, Memnon, Myrmidon, and Melampus during this period. (Allan James sailed as a Cadet with him on the Perseus).

My late mother, sister and I joined him on a BBS trip onboard the Phemius in 1978 and the Memnon in 1980.

When I was onboard the Memnon she had what Dave describes as standard Blue Flu livery, (except the halfrounds at the focs'le and aftercastle were black not white like the earlier ships).

On board the Phemius we flew the AH House Flag, and on the Memnon we flew a shabby looking BBS Houseflag.

Later on I believe the M's were given the prefix BARBER to their names and with the Falklands Conflict (1982) their Ports of Registry were changed to Monrovia, then Panama from Liverpool. I also understand that the M's had all of their deck houses, hatch covers, and cargo handling gear painted a dark red colour from about this time, although retaining their white accomodation superstructures and black topped blue funnels.

The two Super P's being ex-Super Glens had retained their London port of registry before being sold to Swires, Perseus becoming 'Kwangsi', and Phemius 'Kweichow'. I believe their are photos of the Radnorshire/Perseus/Kwangsi under all three of these names on this site.

hope this helps

Peter L. Crowe

BEDDY
28th February 2007, 13:57
Hello everyone.
Which BF-vessel sailed in the BBS-service beside BARBER MENELAUS and BARBER MEMNON?? I have the Norwegian and Swedish vessel, but not all the British I think.

Thanks in advance

makko
28th February 2007, 17:21
Blue Funnel vessels in BBS were:

Barber Menestheus
Barber Menelaus
Barber Memnon

I think that Melampus was on the service, but am not to sure. I cannot remember the Melampus carrying the Barber prefix, although I may be wrong. These were the "M" class and were all Japan built. Used as feeders, they did some very interesting ports, more like traditional Blue Funnel runs.

The other M's in this class were British built (Scotts) and were Mentor,Maron and Myrmidon and were employed mainly on the Elder Dempster West Africa run. The engine room layout was quite distinct between the British and Japanese vessels, with more room in the British vessels.

The RoRo's were:

Barber Priam
Barber Perseus
Barber Hector

I was on Memnon when the port of registry was changed to Monrovia (in Houston) and the Priam when it was changed to Panama (in Panama, I believe. I sailed with Peter's father on the Memnon.

When joining BBS ships (in New York) I always put my address in the US as the offices located at Battery Park NY, although I never had reason to visit them, to satisfy US Immigration.

I remember going on the Toba and there was quite a difference to the British ships, including reduced manning.

Rgds.

Dave

BEDDY
28th February 2007, 18:00
I sailed on "Barber Thermopylæ" ex-"Thermoplylæ" (blt.1977), and "Barber Tønsberg" were built in my hometown.

Chief Office No.1 Son
28th February 2007, 21:55
Dave is right to state that the Menestheus was the fourth Japanese built M, not the Myrmidon as I stated earlier.

Sorry about the confusion.

BEDDY
15th March 2007, 01:13
Did Blue Funnel ever have a vessel named "MANGAN" blt 1969 who was renamed BARBER MANGAN in 1970, and renamed MANGAN again in 1972??

makko
15th March 2007, 21:43
No, Beddy no Mangan. All BF ships were named after characters in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. By the way Iliad House was the Officer's and later engineer cadets hostel in Birkenhead and Odyssey Works was the company workshop, also in Birkenhead.

Regards,

Dave

eldersuk
16th March 2007, 01:53
MEMNON. Although bearing a traditional ‘China Boat’ name had the distinction of being the last of a very long list of ships to sail under the livery of Elder Dempster.
MEMNON was one of four ‘M’ class ships built at the Mitsubishi Nagasaki shipyard for the account of Airlease International Nominees (Moorgate) Limited during 1977 and placed under the management of Ocean Fleets Limited.
Three years later MEMNON was renamed BARBER MEMNON when transferred to the Barber Blue Sea Line trade. After three years in that trade she reverted to her original name and almost immediately went out on charter to Lloyd Brasileiro Lines of Brazil who named her LLOYD SAN FRANCISCO for their world-wide trading. After a couple of years on charter she was returned to owners reverting to the name MEMNON and allocated to Elder Dempster’s West African services.
Come 1989, however, Elder Dempster announced to the trade that they would be withdrawing from the shipping scene and thus MEMNON was placed on the market for sale. Soon after, she was purchased by Pacific International Lines of the Peoples Republic of China who gave her the name HAI ZIONG.

makko
17th March 2007, 00:31
Thanks EldersUK. I was on Barber Memnon. She was a good vessel and I have only great memories of her! Is she still trading?

Regards,

Dave

eldersuk
17th March 2007, 00:34
Sorry, Memnon sold for demolition in Mumbai 31 December 2001

Derek

Allan James
17th March 2007, 12:08
Derek is spot on as usual, I think I can add that the four "Japanese" M boats were built instead of two super tankers for BP. Don't know if anyone else can confirm this.

Regards

Allan

makko
17th March 2007, 19:45
I believe that is true Allan. It has been mentioned before. Airlease International (Moorgate) comes to mind.

Dave

FastMedic
7th June 2007, 23:22
Hi

This is my first post in this group.
May I ask what happened to Myrmidon? I sailed on her in 1982 to the Falklands and back, I was in the Royal Navy and she embarked Naval Party 2021, Royal transport Corps and The Tactical Supply Group of the RAF. We joined in Teesport and returned to Tilbury at the end of that year and the remaining disembarked forces a few days later.