Burnett Steamship Co

johndalgliesh
27th February 2007, 22:10
Hi
I sailed on the Burnett SS Co ss Holmside ex Empire Sedge in 1953 I have been able to get quite a lot of info on this vessel but the Co seems to have disapeared I think it was taken over by a Canadian Co but any info would be gratefully received

ruud
28th February 2007, 08:32
Ahoy John,
The HOLMSIDE[2] was built in 1941 as EMPIRE SEDGE at Gray 2852 tons,and traded for Burnett from 1945-1956.
Sold in 1956 as GRANSHA[British]
Sold in 1960 as DANIELA T[Italy]
Sold in 1972 as VULCA[Italy]
Broken up 06-1974 at La Spezia

exsailor
28th February 2007, 10:08
Hi
I sailed on the Burnett SS Co ss Holmside ex Empire Sedge in 1953 I have been able to get quite a lot of info on this vessel but the Co seems to have disapeared I think it was taken over by a Canadian Co but any info would be gratefully received
John,
Here is part of an article from 'Scanner', the bulletin of the Toronto Marine Historical Society, V.3 No.7 (April 1971). "Port Weller Dry Docks Ltd has secured a contract for two 20,000 ton newsprint carriers to be built to the order of the Burnett Steamship Co, Newcastle, a subsidiary of the Federal Commerce and Navigation Co. Ltd., Montreal and will operate under charter to the Atlantic Transportation Co. Ltd.,Montreal, a subsidiary of Canadian International Paper".
Looks like your thought of Burnett's going to Canada was correct.
It also seems Burnett Steamship have a London office at 17 Cockspur Street, London SW1Y 5BL.
Regards, Dennis.

johndalgliesh
2nd March 2007, 15:51
Thanks for the info it confirms the details that I have been able to piece together . They operated a couple of colliers and a general cargo vessel running up the St Lawerence when I sailed with them.
Thanks again
John

Dave Edge
3rd March 2007, 01:08
In 1962 Burnett Steamship Company, which had its head office in Newcastle, was taken over by the Canadian company, Federal Commerce and Navigation Limited and thereafter operated as a subsidiary of the Fednav Group. The last ships registered to Burnett Steamship Company were the sisters "Avon Forest" and "Laurentian Forest", which both left Burnett ownership in 1980 but the name may still exist within the Fednav Group.

Tony Breach
3rd March 2007, 21:05
I was mate on LAURENTIAN FOREST for a while. Burnett were the owners & Harrisons Clyde the managers.

stephano
15th March 2007, 13:37
burnetts (yellow banders) had two or more hartlepool jeeps, i was in the wallsend 1953 dont remember the names of the others, can anyone enlighten me.
alan

Dave Edge
15th March 2007, 22:52
Stephano, There were three, "Holmside", ex "Empire Sedge", (1945-56), "Wallsend", ex "Empire Butress", (1946-59) and "Burnhope", ex "Empire Seaman", (1946-60).

stephano
19th March 2007, 14:06
thanks dave, my mate thinks there was another one TYNEMOUTH, im not sure she was a yellow bander.

ruud
19th March 2007, 15:26
Ahoy,
There were 7 TYNEMOUTH's
TYNEMOUTH[6] was built in 1940 at Laing and served till 1952,then became SANDHOR for Sharp SS[3168tons]
TYNEMOUTH[7] was built in 1955 at SD and served till 1968,then became EASTERN RIVER and grounded on Fuga Island near Aparri[Philippines]3932tons

Geoff_E
19th March 2007, 19:02
If memory serves me right there were also three AHTS, registered to Burnett S.S., operating in the N. Sea in the late '80's. All names beginning "T"; "Takapu" was one of them, can't remember the others. I have an idea they went eventually to Maersk who also gave them names beginning "T", eg "Maersk Topper". They've all been sold on now I think.

Emily Swift
13th January 2008, 20:33
Very interested to read your bit about "Tynemouth" I should explain that my Grandmother Avril Swift (ne.Burnett) along with my great aunt Heather Burke (ne.Burnett) were the last owners of the company after my great grandfather Clive Burnett died. My great aunt Heather launched Tynmouth IV and we have a marvelous picture of it. I have spoken to my father and Grandmother and we didn't know that there were any other Tynmouths ? Love to here any more imformation about them ? Emily Swift (16yrs)

Jacktar1
14th January 2008, 02:54
Burnett Steamship Co. Ltd..............According to the history of the company in "Black Diamond Fleets" by Norman L. Middlemiss, the 'Burnett' name finally disappeared in 1982. Cheers.....Glan

maritiem
14th January 2008, 07:11
Hallo John;
Here a short history of Burnett Steamship co. from Travel of the Tramps, twenty Tramp fleets Vol. II, N.L. Middlemiss, Shield Publication, 1991.

John Walter Burnett and his brother Norman Burnett of Tyne¬mouth ordered a small steamer in 1889 from the Bill Quay yard of Wood,Skinner & Co. which was delivered in November of that year as ANGELUS. Their father Jacob Burnett was the last local chem¬ical manufacturer, and while John became interested in exporting coal Norman qualified as a professional engineer. ANGELUS was the first in a fleet of 43 establishing a company that was to last for 81 years before being taken over by Canadians. The history is typical of many northern shipping companies which began in the London and near Continental coal trade,improving their fleets with gradually increasing size of ships until the decline of the independent collier owner forclad an entry into world tramping.
Many examples exist of long associations between tramp owner and shipbuilder e.g. Lyle Shipping Co. Ltd and the Lithgow Brothers; Hain Steamship Co. Ltd and John Readhead. Burn¬ett were no exception, for in the first 32 years of existence all their ships came from Wood,Skinner & Co. Ltd of Gateshead and the association was only broken by the liquidation of the ship¬builder.

John Burnett took in various partners in 1891 and formed Burnett & Co. and their second steamer TYNEMOUTH was delivered in June of that year. Although freight rates were bad in the early 1890s WALLSEND followed in 1893 and MARSDEN in 1895. GOSFORTH of August,1898 was their first steamer to top 1000 gross tons, and a small but balanced fleet of five colliers operated in 1900, with three new sisters HEWORTH,HEBBURN and BIRTLEY. As colliers were sold to other local owners such as Witherington & Everett, new ones were ordered and MARSDEN(2) of July.
1901 maintained the fleet at five colliers. However the fleet was increased to six with the delivery of TYNEMOUTH(2) in January, 1902 for the newly formed Burnett Steamship Co. Ltd.

Slightly larger sister colliers HARTLEY,BENTINCK,GOSFORTH and TOWNELEY followed, but BIRTLEY(2) of June,1906 replaced her namesake which had become the company's first marine casualty in November,1905 when wrecked north of Flamborough Head while on passage to London with Tyne coal. HEWORTH was sold in 1906 to local collier owner E.R. Newbigin without change of name and replaced by the new HORDEN. The next two sisters BURNHOPE and HEBBURN(2) were of nearly 2000 gross tons, and thus capable of Baltic and Mediterranean trading. HARTLEY was sold in 1909 to well known liner company British & African S.N. Co. Ltd with Elder,Dempster of Liverpool as managers. She was replaced by the new sisters TYNEMOUTH(3) and BARMOOR that year. TOWNELEY(2) and MARSDEN(3) of 1910 saw a further jump in size to 2470 goss tons but proved to be the last colliers built before WWI when the fleet was eight strong. Six of these were to be lost by enemy action:
20.9.1915 HORDEN Mined and sunk near Aldeburgh buoy.
31.12.1915 TYNEMOUTH Left Cardiff for Scapa Flow,disappeared.
14.12.1916 BURNHOPE Mined and sunk in Hartlepool Bay,Master lost.
4.1.1918 BIRTLEY Torpedoed and sunk North of Flamborough Head,8 lost.
31.1.1918 TOWNELEY Torpedoed and sunk 18 mile from Trevose Head,6 lost.
14.8.1918 WALLSEND Torpedoed and sunk 1 mile SE of Robin Hood Bay.
25.9.1918 HEBBURN Torpedoed and sunk 14 mile South of Mine Head,6 lost.

The lost WALLSEND was one of four sisters completed during 1916/17; and the fleet at the end of the war consisted of five colliers plus three managed ships including two standard 'WAR' colliers. Fortunately, John Burnett did not join the post war scramble for new tonnage which resulted in an astronomical rise in prices. When the inevitable slump followed, many owners were in financial trouble and apart from those that went bankrupt, many were left with vastly over valued ships unable to make a profit. Many old established tramp owners and a few new ones such as Edgar Edwards of Cardiff never recovered from this disastrous period. Some carried on through the 1920s but their lack of reserves spelt disaster in the depression of the 1930s.

WALLSEND(3) of 4300 dwt was delivered at the end of 1922 from a different builder for the first time Irvine's SB & DD Co. Ltd of Hartlepool and a sister HEWORTH(2) was completed by the same yard in April,1924. This HEWORTH was the last ship to be built at Irvine's Harbour yard and was launched in February,1924 by Mrs. English, wife of a director of the Heworth Coal Company and good clients of John Burnett. She was a self trimming collier with a North Eastern Marine triple expansion steam engine which gave the high speed for the time of 14 knots. She was equipped with radio, with master and mate amidships and seamen and firemen berthed aft. The Wood,Skinner association was resumed for the similar BIRTLEY(3),TOWNELEY(3),MARSDEN(4) and HEBBURN(3) the last named being completed in July, 1924 and was the last of 30 ships for the company before the builder went into liquidation.

Attempts during the bad trading conditions of the early and mid 1920s to enter the world wide tramp trades were hampered by the small size of company ships, so orders were placed in 1927 for two tramps of over 6000 dwt from the Northumberland SB Co. Ltd at Howdon on Tyne, and for a slighlty smaller one from a Blyth shipyard. Three colliers HORDEN,BURNHOPE and TYNEMOUTH were disposed of in 1928/29 to Newcastle and Cardiff owners in readiness for the delivery of the large tramps. BURNHOPE(3) was comp¬leted in February,1929 from the Northumberland yard followed by TYNEMOUTH(5) in November of that year. They had five holds with well decks fore and aft at nos 1 and 5 holds, and a cross bunker hold between bridge and funnel. The smaller HOLMSIDE had only four holds, two forward and two aft of the midships accomodation.

The larger pair had hardly worked their way round the world before the worst shipping slump ever burst on to the world ship¬ping scene. Matters were complicated by the delivery of the third tramp HOLMSIDE from Blyth in August,1930 and it soon became abundantly clear that the two largest tramps must be sold as they had earned no profit. TYNEMOUTH was sold in 1932 to a Gibraltar company and renamed STATIRA, and BURNHOPE went to Greeks in the following year becoming THEMONI. Three colliers were sold in 1933/34 to other Newcastle owners with MARSDEN(4) and HEWORTH going to the Tanfield S.S. Co. Ltd and HEBBURN to the Sheaf S.S. Co. Ltd (W.A. Souter & Co. Ltd) without change of name. WALLSEND was wrecked at Caesarea on 16th February,1934 while on a voyage from Antwerp to Beirut with general cargo. The company emerged from the depression with BIRTLEY and TOWNELEY of 4300 dwt and HOLMSIDE of 6000 dwt.

The improvement in world freight rates at the end of 1935 encouraged John Burnett that the time had come to rebuild the fleet, and soon after an order for a 5000 dwt tramp was placed with Laing at Sunderland delivered as WALLSEND(4) in June,1937 with triple expansion engines by George Clark Ltd. These four were profitably employed at the start of WWII but all four were destined to be lost to the enemy:
7.1.1940 TOWNELEY mined and sunk off Margate o.v.Tyne/Rouen with coal.
15.9.1941 BIRTLEY Mined and sunk North of Cromer o.v. London/Tyne.
19.7.1941 HOLMSIDE Torpedoed and sunk to North of Cape Verde Islands o.v. Hull to Pepel in ballast,22 lost.
2.12.1942 WALLSEND Torpedoed and sunk to NW of Cape Verde islands o.v. Liverpool and Glasgow for Freetown with 15 air¬craft,450 tons of cement and 320 tons of coal and mail. Four crew were lost and her Master was captured.

HOLMSIDE was the last ship out of Bergen on 8th April,1940 before the Germans arrived the following night, and she was also present at the evacuation of British troops from St.Nazaire in June of that year and took off Capt. Davies and the crew of the Blue Funnel TEIRESIAS which was lost in an enemy air attack outside the port limits. on her final voyage, HOLMSIDE was hit in the engine room by a torpedo from U66 which devastated the whole midships accomodation and the two lifeboats and tore the ship apart. Sixteen survivors nearly all injured put off on three rafts and drifted for five days without food or water. Some had no clothing as the explosion had torn it from their bodies, and they were all picked up in bad shape by a Portuguese ship and taken to Lisbon.
TYNEMOUTH,a sister to the lost WALLSEND, had been completed in July,1940 by Laing and she survived the war as the only owned tramp. The engines aft collier EMPIRE SEDGE was managed by the company during the war, as was the Scandinavian type EMPIRE THACKERAY with engines amidships and other foreign ships. EMPIRE SEDGE was purchased in 1945 and became HOLMSIDE(2), while two further Scandinavian types were purchased in 1946 and renamed WALLSEND(5) and BURNHOPE(4).

The founder John Burnett died in 1946, and the other direc¬tors at this time were John Robson, P.E. Nicholson and Arthur Stott of Stott,Mann & Fleming. The four war built tramps traded well for Burnett until TYNEMOUTH was sold in 1952 to local owners Sharp S.S. Co. Ltd becoming their SANDHOE for the next 11 years. A namesake joined the fleet in July,1955 from Smiths Dock Co. Ltd, Middlesbrough. TYNEMOUTH of 6000 dwt was a four hold engines amidships steamer with engines supplied by the builder, with two masts and eight derricks worked from the two large deckhouses.She was in collision with the British ship INVER¬EWE of 11821 grt at the entrance to the Mission River in the Great Lakes on 19th September,1964 while on a voyage from Chicago to New Brunswick. She proceeded to Montreal but had suffered considerable damage to her bows above the waterline.
The collier HOLMSIDE was sold to British owners in 1956 and renamed GRANSHA, and the Scandinavian types WALLSEND and BURNHOPE were sold to foreign owners in 1959/60 shortly after the delivery of the first motortramp in the fleet HOLMSIDE(3) in August, 1959. She was given a 6 cylinder Sulzer oil engine placed aft of her four holds. A slightly larger sister GOSFORTH(3) was completed by the same builder; Hall,Russell & Co. Ltd,Aberdeen, in January, 1962 again with a 6 cylinder Sulzer oil engine. These two motor tramps were employed in St. Lawrence trading during the 'open' season from U.K. west coasts ports such as Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow. HOLMSIDE was sold to Portuguese owners in 1969 and renamed CABINDA, leaving only GOSFORTH of 1962 in the fleet when an offer from Federal Commerce and Navigation Ltd (FEDNAV) of Canada was accepted by the Burnett directors. The Newcastle company now acted as a subsidiary of the large FEDNAV Group engaged in U.K. to Canada trading. Two new large car carriers were registered under Burnett in 1972/73 shortly after the disposal of the last conventional tramp GOSFORTH to Canadian owners. LAURENTIAN FOREST and AVON FOR¬EST were engaged in the export of British cars to Canada and were suitably equipped with large decks and ramps.

In 1974 Burnett acquired the whole share capital of fellow Newcastle tramp owner Chapman & Willan Ltd, gaining control of both the long established CarIton S.S. Co. Ltd and Cambay S.S. Co. Ltd and three bulk carriers FRUMENTON,CARLTON and DEMETERTON. FRUMENTON was quickly sold off but the other two were retained within the FEDNAV Group, which set up a management company in Newcastle called Burnett Chapman Ship Management Ltd to manage the three bulkers and two car carriers and other ships which FEDNAV transferred to the British flag. All British operations of FEDNAV were now controlled from the Burnett office at Milburn House, Newcastle. The remaining two bulkers were sold to other Canadian owners in 1975, and the Burnett S.S. Co. Ltd effectively withdrew from tramp ownership with the sale of their 13.1% holding in Glasgow tramp company Lyle Shipping Co. Ltd in April,1977. FEDNAV sold LAURENTIAN FOREST from the Burnett S.S. Co. Ltd in 1980, and transferred her sister AVON FOREST from the Burnett company to the Carlton S.S. Co. Ltd in 1982, thus finally ending the Burnett story.

maritiem
14th January 2008, 07:12
FLEETLIST


In fleet gross builder Short History

ANGELUS 1889-1901 724 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to France renamed St. Remy
TYNEMOUTH (1) 1891-1899 839 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Willy, 1911 marine loss
WALLSEND (1) 1893-1900 839 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to Witherington & Everett
MARSDEN (1) 1895-1900 919 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed City of Frankfort
GOSFORTH (1) 1898-1903 1051 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Altona
HEWORTH (1) 1900-1905 1043 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to E.R. Newbigin
HEBBURN (1) 1900-1907 1032 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Hamburg
BIRTLEY (1) 1900-1905 1029 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Wrecked north of Flamborough Head
MARSDEN (2) 1901-1908 929 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Fredrik
TYNEMOUTH (2) 1902-1908 1038 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Wald. Rademacher
BENTINCK 1903-1910 1148 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold, 1911 renamed Joan Craig
HARTLEY 1903-1909 1150 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to Elder, Dempster not renamed
GOSFORTH (2) 1904-1911 1201 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Finn Lund
TOWNELEY (1) 1904-1910 1197 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed Johanna Lehrmann
BIRTLEY (2) 1906-1918 1438 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Torpedoed/sunk North of Flamborough Head
HORDEN (1) 1906-1915 1434 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Mined and sunk near Aldeburgh buoy
BURNHOPE (1) 1907-1916 1941 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Mined and sunk in Hartlepool Bay
HEBBURN (2) 1908-1918 1938 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Torpedoed and sunk 14 mile South of Mine Head
TYNEMOUTH (3) 1909-1915 2224 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Left Cardiff for Scapa Flow,disappeared
BARMOOR 1909-1923 2225 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to James Westoll, Sunderland
TOWNELEY (2) 1910-1918 2476 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Torpedoed and sunk 18 mile from Trevose Head
MARSDEN (3) 1910-1923 2481 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold renamed to Bd. Blumenfeld, Hamburg renamed Clara Blumenfeld, 1932 transferred to Norddeutschen Kohlen & Cokes Werke AG, Hamburg, 1932 reverted to Bd. Blumenfeld, 1933 transferred again to Norddeutschen Kohlen & Cokes Werke AG, Hamburg, 1938 renamed Hammonia, 1939 transferred to Nordische Transport & Schiffahrt GmbH, Hamburg renamed Nordfahrt, 26.2.1943 mined and beached, repaired, 10.2.1945 mined and sunk near Kiel, 1945/46 wreck salvaged, 1949 transferred to Norddeutschen Kohlen & Cokes Werke AG, Hamburg, 1949 renamed Clara Blumenfeld, 1958/59 scrapped.
HORDEN (2) 1916-1928 2677 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to Tynedale S.S. Co. Ltd.
TYNEMOUTH (4) 1917-1929 2684 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to A. Capel, Cardiff
BURNHOPE (2) 1917-1928 2683 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to Connell & Grace renamed Akenside
WALLSEND (2) 1917-1918 2697 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Torpedoed and sunk 1 mile SE of Robin Hood Bay
WALLSEND (3) 1922-1934 2851 Irvines DD, Hartlepool Wrecked at Caesarea
BIRTLEY (2) 1923-1941 2872 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Mined and sunk North of Cromer
TOWNELEY (3) 1923-1940 2865 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Mined and sunk off Margate
MARSDEN (4) 1923-1933 2897 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to Tanfield S.S. Co. Ltd.
HEWORTH (2) 1924-1934 2855 Irvines DD, Hartlepool Sold to Tanfield S.S. Co. Ltd.
HEBBURN (3) 1924-1934 2881 Wood, Skinner Gateshead Sold to W.A. Souter, Newcastle
BURNHOPE (3) 1929-1933 3859 Northhumberland Ship Building, Tyne Sold renamed Themoni, 1938 Malantic, 1943 war loss
TYNEMOUTH (5) 1929-1932 4409 Northhumberland Ship Building, Tyne Sold renamed Statira, 1936 Eolo, 1965 broken up at Valencia
HOLMSIDE (1) 1930-1941 3433 Cowpen DryDock, Blyth Torpedoed and sunk to North of Cape Verde Islands
WALLSEND (4) 1937-1942 3157 J. Laing, Sunderland Torpedoed and sunk to NW of Cape Verde islands
TYNEMOUTH (6) 1940-1952 3168 J. Laing, Sunderland Sold to Sharp S.S. Co. renamed Sandhoe
HOLMSIDE (2) 1945-1956 2852 W. Gray, Hartlepool Ex Empire Sedge 1941, 1956 sold to Shamrock Shipping Co renamed Gransha, 1960 Daniela, 1972 Vulca, 1974 scrapped Spezia
WALLSEND (5) 1946-1959 2905 W. Gray, Hartlepool Ex Empire Buttress 1943, 1959 sold renamed Bordagain, 1967 Daring, 1976 scrapped Split
BURNHOPE (4) 1946-1960 2915 W. Gray, Hartlepool Ex Empire Seaman 1943, 1960 sold renamed Antonios Michalos, 1968 struck submerged object CTL, 1969 scrapped Trieste
TYNEMOUTH (7) 1955-1968 3932 T. & W. Smith, North Shields Sold renamed Eastern River, 1971 Marine loss
HOLMSIDE (3) 1959-1969 5034 Hall, Russell, Aberdeen Sold renamed Cabinda
GOSFORTH (3) 1962-1972 5836 Hall, Russell, Aberdeen Sold renamed Thorold, 1984 Catherine Desgagnes
LAURENTIAN FOREST 1972-1980 16284 Port Weller Drydock, St. Catharines Sold renamed Grand Encounter, 1985 Laurentian Forest, 1985 Federal Seaway, 1988 to U.S. Government renamed Cape Lobos
AVON FOREST 1973-1982 16382 Port Weller Drydock, St. Catharines Transferred to Carlton S.S. Co, 1985 renamed Federal Lakes, 1988 to U.S. Government renamed Cape Lambert

MANAGED SHIPS EX CHAPMAN & WILLAN

FRUMENTON 1974 16702 Hakodate DD 1974 Aegis Typhoon, 1979 Asterion, 1988 Nikolas A.
CARLTON 1974-1975 13949 Short Brothers, Sunderland Built 1964, 1975 Federal Wear, 1975 St. Lawrence Prospector, 1979 Canadian Prospector
DEMETERTON 1974-1975 14636 J. Readhead, South Shields Built 1967, 1975 St. Lawrence Navigator, 1979 Canadian Navigator

Regards
Henk Jungerius

Emily Swift
19th January 2008, 18:08
Dear John,

Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to reply and post such a complete history of the Burnett Company. I am trying to do a history of the family and I am very grateful for your help. Emily Swift.

capkelly
25th March 2008, 21:03
I joined Burnetts in 1973 as mate on their managed vessels, run from Milburn House in Newcastle and was captain with them from late 74 to 77 when they folded. They managed the Swedish Orient Line ships, Thebeland, Tundraland, Thuleland & Traneland as well as the ro-ro Federal Byblos. Swedish Orient and Fedcom had an arrangement to trade on SOL routes in the winter and the Canadian Arctic in the summer (I have posted photos of the Arctic trips). In 77 Fedcom closed the Newcastle Office and transferred management to Dalgliesh but that lasted only a few months before the lot folded. John (Jack) Robson was the M.Director of Burnetts an absolute gentleman.

Later in 79 I worked with Captain Joe Barrass (ex Burnetts) in Caribbean trading and he bought a vessel and named it Tynemouth under the Panamanian flag, but the venture was not a success

albert.s.i
28th March 2008, 11:58
what a very interesting post all that history i joined the holmside at sunderland in oct 1950 as fireman and learned more about her now than when i sailed in her i didnt even know she was an empire boat and the company Burnett certainly had there ups and downs theres no doubt S.N members have the knowledge always comes up with the answers good show albert. s. i.

jax123
21st August 2008, 19:05
Hi John
I was on the third? Holmside , my first ship in 1968 and it was reputed that the engine room clock was that rescued from the first Holmside sunk 1940.
Strangely enough I again worked with Burnetts, sort of, when on the Federal Clyde, the Laurentian and Avon Forest then managed by Harrisons Clyde.
ONe thing I am looking for is a crewlist from 1968 or early 1969 for the Holmside and also its voyages during late 68, early 69. Anyone who can help me with this?
Jack Kirk

tonyy
25th January 2010, 15:28
Hi
I sailed on the Burnett SS Co ss Holmside ex Empire Sedge in 1953 I have been able to get quite a lot of info on this vessel but the Co seems to have disapeared I think it was taken over by a Canadian Co but any info would be gratefully received

from Tonyy- do you have a pic of Empire Sedge ( Holmside)? My uncle went down with sister ship Empire Lake. I cannot find a picture.Would appreciate any photo you may have of ship/crew...

tonyy
25th January 2010, 15:31
Ahoy John,
The HOLMSIDE[2] was built in 1941 as EMPIRE SEDGE at Gray 2852 tons,and traded for Burnett from 1945-1956.
Sold in 1956 as GRANSHA[British]
Sold in 1960 as DANIELA T[Italy]
Sold in 1972 as VULCA[Italy]
Broken up 06-1974 at La Spezia

Ahoy Ruud- do you possibly have any pics of the Empire Sedge, (or pics of the subsequent names.)?
Am desperately trying to get a photo.
Tonyy

joller6
5th March 2010, 21:32
[QUOTE=capkelly;201872]I joined Burnetts in 1973 as mate on their managed vessels, run from Milburn House in Newcastle and was captain with them from late 74 to 77 when they folded. They managed the Swedish Orient Line ships, Thebeland, Tundraland, Thuleland & Traneland as well as the ro-ro Federal Byblos. Swedish Orient and Fedcom had an arrangement to trade on SOL routes in the winter and the Canadian Arctic in the summer (I have posted photos of the Arctic trips). In 77 Fedcom closed the Newcastle Office and transferred management to Dalgliesh but that lasted only a few months before the lot folded. John (Jack) Robson was the M.Director of Burnetts an absolute gentleman.

Hi capkelly
Do you know if this Shipping Company opetated around the Aussie Coasy in the 1960's at all ?
Thanks
joller6

GW3OQK
10th June 2010, 13:30
Dear John,

Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to reply and post such a complete history of the Burnett Company. I am trying to do a history of the family and I am very grateful for your help. Emily Swift.

I sailed on the Tynemouth in the 1964, 65 with Capt Joe Barrass, and when he left the ship the mate took over, being Capt Tom Burke from Tynemouth or nearby. I have some pictures of the ship I could publish and here's one in the Welland Canal downbound with a full holds of grain and a deck cargo of timber. Happy days they were up the great lakes, & Eastern Canada. The collision with Inverewe was not spectacular, just bent the bow a bit.

Andrew

ncle utd
27th September 2010, 20:06
Hi was surfing the net today and decided to enter Burnett Steamship in google, to my surprise I found lots of information had been posted. I worked for this firm office based from August 1964 until September 1977 when I transferred to RS Dalglish. I recall John (Jack) Robson catching me outside Milburn House in July 1964 asking if I would like to work from him at Burnetts. Afper my interview with the then Company Secretary Stanley Harrison was offered the job as Office Junior, I accepted and after that never really looked back. I had a super time with this old established Tyneside Shipping Firm. I was involved in all aspects of the firm from Office/Crew Accounts, signing on/off crews home and abroad, stores, and had the pleasure of travelling to Canada, Scandinavia, Europe where I met a host of ships officers/crews agents etc. It was such a sad occasion when Burnetts finally stopped trading. It is true they were taken over by a Canadian Firm, Federal Commerce and Navigation Co I think about the early 1970's and later amalgamated with another old Tyneside Shipping Company Chapman and Willan. I have lots of great memories from this time and am sure have photographs of some of the vessels previously mentioned in earlier threads in the attic somewhere! Will dig them out. I have photographs of vessels loading at Montreal Harbour for the Artic, think it was the MV Thebeland, I worked in Montreal for a short time in August 1972 and think the Capt was called David Bone. Will give some thought to remembering more names etc and updated again later.

kees_z103
14th October 2010, 15:31
Dear sir.Wouldyou by any change have a picture of the Federal Humber ex Federal Byblos.I made severlal trips on her way back in the 70's and i cant find a picture of her. I also saild on the Federal Avalon.
Greetings kees.

ncle utd
17th October 2010, 12:01
Dear sir.Wouldyou by any change have a picture of the Federal Humber ex Federal Byblos.I made severlal trips on her way back in the 70's and i cant find a picture of her. I also saild on the Federal Avalon.
Greetings kees.

Hi although I was on the Federal Byblos whilst she underwent overhaul on the Tyne back in the seventies, I unfortunatgely do not have any photographs. I seem to recall she went out the the middle east at some stage. Will attempot to dig out some photos at some stage and get tghem uploaded. Regards. Roy.