Hornby Grange

plasma
8th March 2007, 20:09
On holiday recently in Kenya I visited the Dolphin Hotel near Mombasa.
Inside was a model of the Hornby Grange, one of those made for the owners when the ship was built, I wonder if anybody knows how it came to be there or has anyone else has seen it as the ship did not visit that part of the world on her normal trips. Unfortunatly I did not have a camera with me at the time.
regards, Mick

non descript
8th March 2007, 22:11
Mick, I guess it was the post WW2 vessel, 1946-1969 – this Hornby Grange (the second one to bear the name) was delivered on 12th December 1946 and at that time the largest chilled meat carrrier in the world, and ended her days as the Royal Mail controlled Douro; the other ships of the name were the amazing two funnel reefer ship of 1890-1919 vintage, and the third one was a H&W built tanker of 1979-1984 vintage and I doubt that H&W went in for making models of what was actually, allegedly, a fairly awful ship. (sincere apologies to Tmac)

There is a photo of her here: http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/18091

all of which neatly avoids your good question as to why... and I am sorry to say I have no idea, but hopefully others may come up with news.

I have added a page for the Hornby Grange in SN Guides if and when anyone wishes to add to it (I am far from an expert at this part of the site and would welcome help and/or input)

Kind regards
Mark

plasma
9th March 2007, 00:08
Yes it was the 1946 built Hornby Grange, when I worked for the Port of London Authority we towed her in and out of the Royal Docks many times.
I am just curious to why it is in Kenya. The hotel is owned by a Swiss company. Thank you for help with the site I am still finding my way around it and the computer. Mick

Tmac1720
9th March 2007, 14:55
No apology necessary Tonga, you only speak the truth, H&W had begun to lose it's way by then. Actually there were models built of both the Hornby & Elstree Grange, not by H&W I hasten to add but by a specalist model builder. I'm sorry but due to senile decay I have forgotten the name of this company.[=P]

duquesa
9th March 2007, 15:06
Probably Bassett Lowke

non descript
9th March 2007, 18:21
Yes it was the 1946 built Hornby Grange, when I worked for the Port of London Authority we towed her in and out of the Royal Docks many times.
I am just curious to why it is in Kenya. The hotel is owned by a Swiss company. Thank you for help with the site I am still finding my way around it and the computer. Mick

Mick

Do you have the name of the hotel - curiosity is getting the better of me and I am tempted to ask them (very politely) where the connection came from.

I remember a similar model being at 53 Leandenhall Street and later moved to Sir John Cass College in The Minories.

Kind regards
Mark

plasma
9th March 2007, 18:40
Mark,
It was the Dolphin Hotel, Shanzu Beach, north of Mombasa. owned by the African Safari Club. I did not find anyone at the hotel who knew anything about it. I must admit to not asking their London office.
Regards Mick

non descript
9th March 2007, 18:42
Mark,
It was the Dolphin Hotel, Shanzu Beach, north of Mombasa. owned by the African Safari Club. I did not find anyone at the hotel who knew anything about it. I must admit to not asking their London office.
Regards Mick

Thanks Mick, I have a check (Thumb)

Nova Scotian
9th March 2007, 20:49
Mick

Do you have the name of the hotel - curiosity is getting the better of me and I am tempted to ask them (very politely) where the connection came from.

I remember a similar model being at 53 Leandenhall Street and later moved to Sir John Cass College in The Minories.

Kind regards
Mark

If my memory serves me right there was a model of the Hornby Grange at King Edward VII College on Commercial Road when I was there in 1963/4. I also rember a half model on glass of the Lakonia too.

Cheers.

Nova Scotian
9th March 2007, 20:52
I worked on the Hornby Grange when she was laid-up with the Hardwicke grange in Falmouth in the summer of 1967.

non descript
9th March 2007, 22:06
I worked on the Hornby Grange when she was laid-up with the Hardwicke grange in Falmouth in the summer of 1967.

Nova Scotia, I have taken the liberty of moving your post to here, as this is the thread for a day to day discuission on the ship and bits of gossip about our experiences etc; the SN Guide thread is a bit of an automated reaction by the site software and is really about the page wikipedia style itself.

If you say you are confised, don't worry, it has taken me a bit of getting used to. (Jester)

Kind regards
Mark

ps. in an effort to clarify the different between the two threads, the idea of the SN Guides discussion area (the bit you initially posted into) is to discuss the articles that have been added to the SN Guides.

For example, one might go to that discussion thread to dispute something stated in an article written by someone else, to reinforce an edit they've just made, as it is afterall a freely available to edit reference - like wikipedia.

M

jazz606
10th March 2007, 13:29
There was a model of the Upwey Grange on the halfdeck of the Worcester when I was there. Looked similar to the ship in the linked picture - were they sisters?

marinero
10th March 2007, 15:06
Hi All.
Houlder Bros.(Furness Withy) owned a chain of hotels(Saxon Inns, I think) They also owned a rather upmarket hotel in the Seychelle Islands, it might have been called the Mahe Hotel although I am not sure. Mind you though, I don't know if this has any bearing on the model of the "Hornby Grange" being in a hotel in Mombasa but you never know.
Regards.(Thumb)

jgazzard
19th September 2007, 23:14
Sailed with George Spong on his first voyage as master -Oreosa 1963.
The first trip was to Seven Islands and we hit hurricane Flora on the way out and Georgina on the way home.

I was with Pete Charman on the Langton Grange in 1958 - he was second mate. I understand that he died some years ago on a flight to his home in Dublin.

Has some good times with him. On one trip the Langton was laid up in BA for 9 weeks as the refrigertaing machinery quit and pieces and people had to be flown out form the UK to fix it.

We had trips inot the country a dn much socializing with many people in BA.

Regards John

cptpugwash
15th November 2009, 18:36
did one trip on the hornby 1st. trip e.d.h in 8/66/ to oct. 66

fred henderson
15th November 2009, 20:02
When I worked at Hawthorn Leslie at Hebburn, in 1954 to 1961, the company had its own modelmaking workshop. We employed two guys who were so good that they were kept busy making a steady stream of models for the owners of the ships being built in the yard.

Fred (Thumb)

Bombersman
16th November 2009, 08:12
Fred said "We employed two guys who were so good that they were kept busy making a steady stream of models for the owners of the ships being built in the yard."
As an office boy before serving my time at Hawthorn Leslie (St Peters works, Newcastle), one of my early duties in 1955 was Hebburn messenger, where I took mail and a letter register to Hebburn every morning and brought similar stuff back. While waiting for the return journey via mid Tyne ferries, I had to wait in the time office with Tommy Dobby and was occasionally allowed visit the models that were made by the chaps that Fred mentions. They were superb.

I was with Hawthorn Leslie at the same time as you Fred from 1955 till 1961.

Regards

Bob W.

fred henderson
16th November 2009, 12:07
I was with Hawthorn Leslie at the same time as you Fred from 1955 till 1961.


So there are at least two well trained Members on this site Bob. (Jester)

Fred (Thumb)

Bombersman
16th November 2009, 14:03
Sure thing Fred!(Thumb)

Mr J. Bulman was MD at Hawthorns Leslie, St Peters in those days and I clearly remember a big Picture of the "Kelly" behind his desk. Pride Eh!

Bob W.

MARINEJOCKY
16th November 2009, 15:28
Leo,

I think you are onto something with the Furness Withy Hotels. I was trying to get a free holiday out of them and remember being offered the Seychelles hotel or the one in Mombassa by the girl in the Leadenhall Street travel agency office downstairs from the main office but then Captain Parkin got wind of my plans and vetoed that and said the offer of a companies hotel was only for the English based ones and only for a weekend and not the three weeks I was hoping for. I think they also had a hotel in St. Lucia as I was trying to get the travel agent to come with me to that one.

I ended up in some terrible hotel in north London by myself for 2 nights. After complaining I did get to stay in the apartment the company had in central London for a long weekend.

vasco
16th November 2009, 18:42
Leo,

I think you are onto something with the Furness Withy Hotels.

Houlders used to own Kuoni Travel which was, I think, a specialist African Holiday Outfit.

R58484956
17th November 2009, 11:01
Kuoni was started by Alfred Kuoni in 1906 in Switzerland. In 1974 it took over Houlders World Holdays.

marinero
17th November 2009, 11:35
Kuoni was started by Alfred Kuoni in 1906 in Switzerland. In 1974 it took over Houlders World Holdays.
That's it, I had forgot about Kuoni Travel.

Vasco, I don't know how long they had the Travel side of things but some of the Divers from the "Oregis" stayed at the one in the Seychelles and from all accounts it was rather impressive.

Malcolm, I too stayed at the Company Apt. in London. It was in the Barbican complex and boy was that luxury, the housekeeper did breakfast for everyone staying there. You could even move the internal walls to alter the configuration and the fridge was always topped up with beer and suchlike.

Regards (Thumb)

hawthorn1
21st December 2011, 11:07
So there are at least two well trained Members on this site Bob. (Jester)

Fred (Thumb)

Aye, but I'll drag it down -I'm a third ! Proud to be Hawthorn Leslies trained (74-79) It was a small yard with a proud history and as a tiny kid entering as an apprentice sparkie, the lads treat me as a son. We had the 'best of the best' sparks on the river.

Some great times had and I never had a day without having a huge smile on my face.

I remember in my time there, during my apprenticeship, before going on to other Swan's and British Shipbuilders yards (ended up in every yard between 79 & 88), that there were a couple of joiners who had previously been on the model making squad, the yard owners presenting these to companies who had placed orders.

One lad, a gentle giant called Tom Scurfield, from the other side of the river (known as channel swimmers to us southsiders) was one such model maker - who I worked with on HMS Cardiff - his models were superb and seeing his stuff made me start up modelling - after I retired through an accident when I was the main electrical cabling chargehand organising the installation of HMS Chatham type 22 Frigate, (previously doing HMS Coventry, & MV Atlantic Conveyor replacements after the Falklands & learning my trade on about 30 other ships worked on). here's a couple of my models;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYymrUwwM-c

and one of my mates to take you back a bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFVmufyg1dI

Unfortunately all the superb models and photographs on display in the yard offices were lost to fire and looting when the yard burnt down, which was a tragedy as it should have been preserved as a musuem - let alone still producing fine ships...Whenever we got a job to change light bulbs etc in the Directors Ding and Conference rooms, (never saw such big Oak tables -and immaculately polished -like something the Queen would have)... we'd be in awe at the swinging racks of photographs of past ships on display in the toilets and on every wall...

PS Can you remember a large picture near the entrance which depicted hundreds of builds during WWII?

regards Bry