Info needed please

aavh
5th May 2007, 12:53
I am looking for as much info as possible on the following three trawlers.

Admiral Rodney A 199 W Liston & Son Granton

Lothian Leader GN 18 Lothian Trawling Co Edinburgh

Margaret Paton GW 4 Ardrossan Trawling Co Ltd Glasgow

I know that these are not their original names. Any info or photo would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks

Andy

Gavin Gait
5th May 2007, 13:07
GW.4 Margaret Paton
Lost with all hands on or about the 27th December 1949 whilst fishing the Coral Bank.
Philip Stevenson (44). Skipper. | Hugh Stevenson. Mate. | Henry Wanless (34) 2nd Fisherman. | Peter Goodall (41). Chief Engineer | J. Nisbet. 2nd Engineer. | Sinclair Coghill (39). Deckhand. | William Robertson (21). Deckhand. | James Watt (29).Deckhand. | William Batten (25). Fireman. | John Martin (25). Fireman. | George Swift. Trimmer. | James O' Donnel (57). Trimmer.

Thats all I could find online

gil mayes
5th May 2007, 15:54
MARGARET PATON (O.N.182017) 276g/5.1942, ex Star of the West-48, Lewis built (see aberdeenships.com for details). Davie, you have quoted an odd crew for a 126 footer, Chief, 2nd, two fireman and two trimmers?

LOTHIAN LEADER (launched as MIDLOTHIAN) (O.N.300602) 217g/10.1959, was from Livingston & Co, Peterhead for Carnie's Lothian Trawling Co Ltd, Newhaven, Edinburgh

ADMIRAL RODNEY (O.N.300356) ex Star of Aberdeen-63 249g/6.1958, was from T. Mitchison Ltd, Gateshead for Walker Steam Trawl Fishing Co Ltd, Aberdeen.

Gil

aavh
5th May 2007, 22:18
Thank You both for your help

Gavin Gait
5th May 2007, 22:42
The crew list is from a Grimsby trawler website so I don't know if its accurate or not. Could they have carried extra engineroom staff for training up or perhaps to put onto another vessel??

gil mayes
6th May 2007, 11:46
No idea. Perhaps someone else can answer that.

Gil

aavh
6th May 2007, 18:57
There is no cook listed ???

Gavin Gait
6th May 2007, 21:38
That would solve one of the extra engineroom names then one of them will be cook and there's another big problem only 3 deckies listed !!!

She would probably have had a Chief Engineer , a 2nd Engineer and 2 stokers , cook , Skipper , Mate , 2nd fish and 4 deckies giving a 12 man crew.

I don't know how it worked on the steam trawlers but on my families trawler the engineer helped work the winch and for big hauls the cook would turn out to gut letting us have the Mate/2nd fish in the fishroom and 6 on the deck with the skipper in the wheelhouse ( on an 87ft sidetrawler ).

Skipper in the wheelhouse , one engineer and stoker on watch below , cook , 6 for the deck doesn't seem right for a boat of 126ft. I'd have thought she would have had 14-16 of a crew to allow for 6-8 on deck gutting with the Mate and a deckie in the fishroom as the 2nd fish on the big boats ran the deck when the mate was below putting fish away.

Davie

aavh
7th May 2007, 18:11
Davie, If I remember correctly at Granton the crewing was Skipper, Mate,
Chief Engineer, 2nd Engineer, Cook. 2nd fisherman, 4 Deckies, 1 Greaser ,
1 Gutter and 1 Deckie /Learner if one was available. The Greaser took steaming watches in the engine room , worked one side of the winch shooting and hauling and lowered the baskets of fish down into the fish room. The mate workred the fish room alone unless we were on large fish.
The Gutter was the wheelhouse relief for the Skippers meals and did the odd jobs on deck ,hosing down, changing light bulbs etc, he was also responsible for keeping a check on the net stores in the foc'sle.
The Cook , Chief and 2nd Eng did not have any deck duties whilst fishing but many did lend a hand when the going got tough . the position of Greaser was a follow on from the trimmers , some of the older hands still called the position Deckhand/Trimmer, so the Trimmers in this case were also Deckhands.

Andy

jimstevo
26th February 2008, 17:23
My Brother was a Trawler Skipper at Granton and I have informed him that you are asking for infomation on some trawlers.I don't know if he will register to the Forum but I am sure that he will pass on any information through me .Philip and Hugh Stevenson (Margaret Paton)were my Father's Cousins.
I came across this site by accident whilst researching some of my Family who were lost in the Eymouth Disaster in 1861 onboard the 'Stormy Petrel'. David ,Hugh and Philip Stevenson(my Great-grandfather and his Father and Brother).By the way,I was the first member of the family that did'nt go to sea! I did something much safer,I was a Firefighter.

Fiesty Fay
27th February 2008, 10:43
http://www.grantontrawlers.com/Trawlers/Lothian%20Leader%20GN%2018.htm
This site is a Granton Trawler site Lothian Leader is listed on there with a picture.

Regards

Fay

Fiesty Fay
27th February 2008, 10:46
As an addition to my previous reply, the site also shows the Margaret Paton and Admiral Rodney on there

Regards
Fay

Captain Scarface
12th March 2009, 16:21
My father "Dundee Dod" homeward bound to Granton was apparently the last trawler to speak by radio with the "Margaret Paton." I don't remember now which trawler he was skipper of at the time, Laura, Meta, Eileen, Walter (all Paton) although he later sailed out of Aberdeen. He had to attend the enquiry into the loss of the Margaret but was unable to add much to what was already known other than (as best as I can remember after all these years) "It was a dirty night." A tragic loss of good men. Can anyone tell me where is the Coral Bank? Until recent times it was supposed to be there was no coral in the North Sea. Is it possibly to the west?
"Dundee Dod" rang off 'Finished With Engines' 31 October 1969 in his bed, specs on nose, reading a book. I wanted to follow him (family tradition of hundreds of years) into trawling but he forbade it in the strongesy possible terms and so I went deep sea. I am forever grateful for his foresight.

aavh
14th March 2009, 22:33
I stand to be corrected here but I am almost sure the Coral Bank is in the North Sea, Eastwards of Buchan Ness.

Kerbtrawler
15th March 2009, 11:00
If you were to steam NNE for 300 miles from Grimsby you would be at the Coral bank
before you get to the Klondyke Bank and after the Ling Bank

according to my Grandads charts of 1965

cheers

Captain Scarface
15th March 2009, 23:32
If you were to steam NNE for 300 miles from Grimsby you would be at the Coral bank
before you get to the Klondyke Bank and after the Ling Bank

according to my Grandads charts of 1965

cheers

Thanks for that info. Greatly appreciated.
Scarface

Captain Scarface
15th March 2009, 23:33
I stand to be corrected here but I am almost sure the Coral Bank is in the North Sea, Eastwards of Buchan Ness.

Thks v m fr that. Greatly appreciated.
Scarface

Captain Scarface
16th March 2009, 13:05
If you were to steam NNE for 300 miles from Grimsby you would be at the Coral bank
before you get to the Klondyke Bank and after the Ling Bank

according to my Grandads charts of 1965

cheers

Found it:
Coral Bank
58d 51m N
02d 52m E
Between Utsira Ground, Klondyke, NE Rough and Ling bank

Many thanks for your assistance.
Brgds
Scarface

Captain Scarface
16th March 2009, 13:06
I stand to be corrected here but I am almost sure the Coral Bank is in the North Sea, Eastwards of Buchan Ness.

Found it:
Coral Bank
58d 51m N
02d 52m E
Between Utsira Ground, Klondyke, NE Rough and Ling bank

Many thanks for your assistance.
Brgds
Scarface

Roger Griffiths
18th March 2009, 19:54
Andy
From the last logbook of MARGARET PATON Can anyone explain the meaning of Driver?

regards
Roger

aavh
18th March 2009, 21:17
Roger, The driver on a Granton trawler was the Chief Engineer. As it happens I sailed with this particular drivers brother Dick, who sadly missed his brother even after 10 yrs.