HMNZS Canterbury

Bob S
6th March 2005, 18:22
Following on from Zeewestie's thread "Warships entering Waitemata Harbour".

New Zealandís Leander class frigate CANTERBURY (F421) photographed at the Queens Silver Jubilee Review at Spithead on the 26th June 1977.

Doug Rogers
7th March 2005, 01:27
Good photo Bob, she was in her prime then, its sad to see her now. I just hope that they follow the trend when she finally goes and they use her as an artificial reef for the sea life somewhere(asbestos removal etc notwithstanding).

flyer682
7th March 2005, 05:22
Her swansong will be a short tour of New Zealand ports - Timaru 11 - 14 March, Lyttelton 16 - 21 March and I think a call at Akaroa on 15 March.
I shall be at Lyttelton suitably armed with camera for the final public inspection. Lyttelton was her "home port" and many ceremonies are planned for that final visit - March thru the City Centre, Church Service, etc.
The end of an era in New Zealand Naval history. Quite sad really..........

Doug Rogers
7th March 2005, 06:40
Will look forward to seeing some good photographs then...altho perhaps not..I dont like seeing ships go to that "better place"..it really is very sad as you say...

flyer682
18th March 2005, 23:58
Some totally useless, but interesting nonetheless information:
559 Officers and 3269 ratings have served on her. She has travelled 960,000 nautical miles.
In 1973, she sailed to Mururoa Atoll to protest against French nuclear testing. 1982 & 1983 saw here patrolling in the Arabian Gulf and in 1987 she became the first New Zealand Navy ship to visit China. In 1996, she steamed the Persian Gulf enforcing the UN embargo against Iraq and the following year she was part of peacekeeping forces in Papua New Guinea.
In addition, she has taken aid to cyclone victims in Samoa and Tokelau, has escorted HMS Brittania twice and undertook two British trips in the early 1990s for 50th Anniversary commemorations of World War II.
HMNZS Canterbury will sail from Lyttelton for the last time on 21 March for Devonport Naval Base where she is to decommision on 31 March after 34 years service with the Royal New Zealand Navy.
I shall be at Lyttleton tomorrow for her final Open Day, so expect some photos on the Site soon.

flyer682
19th March 2005, 00:39
Two questions:
Are there any Leander-class frigates still in active service?
Any preserved?

Doug Rogers
19th March 2005, 01:52
To my knowledge yes, from memory and without checking there are two/three? in South American navies. Dont know of any succesful preservation attempts..which is a great shame as they are without doubt classic vessels and so representative of their era. I think that there may still be one or two decomissioned floating around the UK and getting cleaned up so that they may be sunk as artificial breakwaters for marine life. The Oz variants have all gone, possibly India may have a couple still going but I think thats about it. Sad end to a numerous Class. I was on two of them in my very early days, Denmark Strait, thought we were a submarine, atrocious weather, but good sea ships, second Singapore in the time of Confrontation!!.

Doug Rogers
19th March 2005, 02:56
And that no doubt was the WW2 Leander, for which the Leander Class Frigates came to be named. WW2 Leanders were cruisers and all of them lead very interesting and perhaps almost charmed lives.

flyer682
20th March 2005, 00:40
There was a book published back in the late 70s/early 80s entitled "Well Done Leander" by Jack Harker.
The author served aboard Leander as a telegraphist and is a wonderful read.
Others followed called "HMNZS Achilles" and "HMNZS Gambia" and I think there was one called "Almost HMNZS Neptune"

flyer682
21st March 2005, 10:18
One of the options for her disposal is for that of preservation, but that is highly unlikely due to the costs involved. The other two options are for scrap or for sinking as a recreational dive wreck/artificial reef.

Attached a Navy produced Postcard being given away on board the ship yesterday.

Doug Rogers
22nd March 2005, 01:55
Very stylised, are you sure Ron hasnt been waving his magic wand at this??.

marapito
24th March 2005, 01:46
Last of the Leanders: H.M.N.Z.S. Canterbury @ Lyttelton - 20 March 2005

James_C
24th March 2005, 15:29
Thanks for thos photos Marapito. For some reason, whenever I look at the NZ ships they always seem to look 'wrong'. Can't really put my finger on it, perhaps its something small like the lack of black paint on the mast, or the pennant number looks like its wearing off. Hmmm.
As for Lytellton, happy days there! Many an interesting evening spent in 'The British' or 'The Irish Bar' and the Royal Hotel.
A couple of things I remember were the preserved steam tug, the numerous wrecks littered about the place, and two ever presen trawlers that had apparently been arrested.
As I recall, doesn't Lytellton have the steepest street in the world?

marapito
24th March 2005, 21:02
Sorry to have to say that Lyttelton isn't quite as interesting as it used to be.

Access to the wharves (which are still dominated by rusting "Klondykers") is no longer possible; which is a bit of a shame - half a century ago I'd be down there with a Box Brownie, but now it takes a telephoto lens from a high vantage point.

The British pub is a ghost of its former self; almost respectable now and the town itself has become a gentrified suburb of Christchurch, with trendy eateries and not a single Greasy Spoon cafe left.

About thirty cruise ships call each Summer and car-carriers disgorge second-hand cars from Japan every week of the year. The superbly maintained 1907 tug "Lyttelton" is still cruising the harbour (I've stoked her boiler in a Dinner Jacket).

The distinction of the steepest street in New Zealand (if not the world) probably belongs to Queenstown, but Lyttleton's amphitheatre landscape continue to make it one of the most visually attractive towns on the remotest frontier.

Doug Rogers
25th March 2005, 01:17
Well perhaps its not quite what it used to be, but I agree with you that visually its great, but then of course so much of NZ is!!.

marapito
29th March 2005, 22:16
The title line is a quote from a local newspaper summing up a common view expressed by frontier travellers (apparently a current vogue back in civilisation).

But yes; a cultural desert in a garden of Eden.

Steve C
24th June 2005, 11:19
If you are prepared to travel there are still Leanders to be seen in quite sizeable numbers. Chile operates the former HMS Achilles (Ministro Zenteno) in addition to the two which were built for her from new (Condell ad Lynch). Ecuador operates the former HMS Penelope (Presidente Eloy Alfaro) and HMS Danae (Moran Valverde). HMS Apollo and Diomede are in Pakistan as Zulfiqar and Shamsher respectively although the former is now used as a spares source for the latter. If you are quick you can still see HMS Bacchante (HMNZS Wellington) as she is prepared to be sunk as a reef in November.

Foreign built Leanders are still in service with India (Himgiri, Udaygiri, Dunagiri, Taragiri and Vindhyagiri) although these are beginning to pay off and with Indonesia, six former Dutch Leanders of the Van Speijk class, although it is hard to assess their operational condition. Attache dis pic of Wellington in happier times.

trotterdotpom
24th June 2005, 14:57
The British pub is a ghost of its former self;

That's progress - perhaps some dusky evening there'll be an eerie spectre in a checked flannel shirt weeing in the ashtray...what fun we had!

John T.

Pat McCardle
24th June 2005, 16:59
Thanks for thos photos Marapito. For some reason, whenever I look at the NZ ships they always seem to look 'wrong'. Can't really put my finger on it, perhaps its something small like the lack of black paint on the mast, or the pennant number looks like its wearing off. Hmmm.
As for Lytellton, happy days there! Many an interesting evening spent in 'The British' or 'The Irish Bar' and the Royal Hotel.
A couple of things I remember were the preserved steam tug, the numerous wrecks littered about the place, and two ever presen trawlers that had apparently been arrested.
As I recall, doesn't Lytellton have the steepest street in the world?

Baldwin Street Dunedin has the worlds steepest street. Happy 'daze' in the British in '77. 11 days a/s, my only visit to this port. Is the port actually inside a volcano?

R58484956
24th June 2005, 17:31
HMS Achilles mentioned above is that the one which took part in the battle of the River Plate. Talk in a paper that someone is trying to raise the Graf Spee.

James_C
24th June 2005, 20:12
No, the one mentioned above is the Leander class frigate called Achilles. The Achilles to which you refer was sold to the Indians in 1948, and was scrapped in 1978.
There is talk of raising the Graf Spee, and indeed some bits have already been brought up, however, shes in pieces. The man behind it is James Cameron, the Director of the 1997 film 'Titanic'. And he's making a rolling documentary (expected to take many many years to complete) as all the various bits are salvaged. Apparently the Uruguayan government is behind the scheme.
If they were to raise and restore her properly, then she would be a marvellous musuem. When I saw restore her properly, I mean putting all the bits back together, and restoring her *exactly* as she was in 1939, sort of like HMS Belfast or Victory.
However, that would of course cost an absolute fortune. So who knows.

R58484956
24th June 2005, 21:18
In Montevideo at the naval museum, they have a graf spee gun, a stretcher and other odds and ends.
Captain Hans Lansdorf is buried in the german section of the chacarita cemetary
in Buenos Aires with 3 of his officers alongside.

flyer682
25th June 2005, 01:21
Baldwin Street Dunedin has the worlds steepest street. Happy 'daze' in the British in '77. 11 days a/s, my only visit to this port. Is the port actually inside a volcano?
Yes it is, Lyttelton Harbour is the crater.

Novice 9
9th July 2005, 00:34
As for Leander class frigates there are some pictures taken by tha RAN showing a Mk.48 torpedo hits the formar H.M.A.S Yarra i think, after the ship was decommissiond and used as a target. Will attempt to find those pictures and post them.

dinger69
28th September 2005, 08:33
Dunedin has the steepest street in the world - Baldwin Street.

dinger69
28th September 2005, 08:36
The pennant numbers are painted over on NZ warships to avoid recognition from afar. However, I'm not sure if this came about as a result of the Persian Gulf Patrols in the 90's or as a result of September 11. Will see what I can find out.

Taz Anthony Ganderton
28th September 2005, 22:01
If you are prepared to travel there are still Leanders to be seen in quite sizeable numbers. Chile operates the former HMS Achilles (Ministro Zenteno) in addition to the two which were built for her from new (Condell ad Lynch). Ecuador operates the former HMS Penelope (Presidente Eloy Alfaro) and HMS Danae (Moran Valverde). HMS Apollo and Diomede are in Pakistan as Zulfiqar and Shamsher respectively although the former is now used as a spares source for the latter. If you are quick you can still see HMS Bacchante (HMNZS Wellington) as she is prepared to be sunk as a reef in November.

Foreign built Leanders are still in service with India (Himgiri, Udaygiri, Dunagiri, Taragiri and Vindhyagiri) although these are beginning to pay off and with Indonesia, six former Dutch Leanders of the Van Speijk class, although it is hard to assess their operational condition. Attache dis pic of Wellington in happier times.

So where are my Leanders > Charybdis ( Cherry Bee ) > Juno ( Do You Know where we are ? ) & Galatea ( Galloping Tea Urn ) ??? Will New Zealand be buying them up and sinking them as "Dive" wrecks, off Auckland & Wellington, for the tourist industry ??? From > TAZ in Napier > Hawke's Bay > New Zealand

R736476
29th September 2005, 22:58
As for Leander class frigates there are some pictures taken by tha RAN showing a Mk.48 torpedo hits the formar H.M.A.S Yarra i think, after the ship was decommissiond and used as a target. Will attempt to find those pictures and post them.
Yarra was very much based on the RN Type 12 Rothesay class. Swan and Torrens most closely resembled the RN Leanders.

sea_dog
4th October 2005, 02:08
Great to see all these pictures of Canterbury, I remember "playing" with her, HMAS Perth and HMNZS Endeavour off JB during the first Gulf war. We (HMAS Warrnambool) were charged with attempting to sink Endeavour (oiler) while Canterbury and Perth "fought us off". Was an interesting day doing high speed runs in a 220 T patrol boat with a very large swell running :)

douglasjamesmichael
24th November 2005, 21:05
During the latter years of my apprenticeship with Weir Pumps I worked onboard the Canterbury while she was at Yarrows. At the time the Chief Engineer was a lad called Cox.

As a Leander she had a full compliment of Weir's products including The Weir DA Steam Reciprocating Pumps - Enjoyed my time on her

Doug Michael

Jan Hendrik
27th September 2006, 09:51
Here is a picture of the " Canterbury " which I took today. The vessel arrived earlier this week.
She is moored alongside the Tenix Dockyard in Williamstown (Melbourne).
Jan

raybnz
27th September 2006, 10:27
I heard recently that the Department of Conservation is opposing the sinking of Canterbury of the Northland Coast due to the fear the hull may contain some nasty marine thingys that have found their way into our pristine waters from other parts of the world.

Evidently these marine thingys are now estabilished around parts of the Auckland Harbour.

Hawkeye
27th September 2006, 15:39
Hi Taz
Try this site: http://britishwarships.cjb.net/
The history of the Leader class Frigates is on this site.
Regards
Karl

John B.
28th September 2006, 03:30
Jan, Your photo is of "NUSHIP CANTERBURY" the future multi role vessel (MRV) for the RNZN, she was handed over from Merwede to Tenix in Rotterdam on 21/8/06 then sailed to melbourne under civilian Kingston registry , she carried as cargo, sections for the new Ocean Patrol vessel 'WELLINGTON' which will be built for the RNZN in Williamstown.
rgds John B.

James_C
28th September 2006, 15:09
An warship sailing under a civilian registry before handing over is not uncommon, but an RNZN ship sailing under a Flag of Convenience?
You couldn't make this stuff up.

raybnz
30th September 2006, 09:51
Took this photo today while in Devonport. Poor old Canterbury looking lost , unwanted and awaiting her fate.

waimea
1st October 2006, 11:38
Thanks for that. I was just due to leave the RNZN when she was commissioned.

Jan Hendrik
1st October 2006, 14:39
John B.

You are right, I had not read the article in full and did not know you were talking about the "old" Canterbury.
I had just mailed some photos to the NZ site, so was still "in the mood" so to speak.
Yes there is a new one now and as you said she is currently at Tenix in Williamstown for a 2-3 months refit prior to handing over to the NZ Navy.
Cheers
Jan

Chris Wood
4th October 2006, 11:47
Here is a photo I took of the Canterbury as she approached Calliope Wharf for the last time. Taken from the wheelhouse of the tug Waipapa. Her paying off pennant was so long I had to wait for it to be pulled in before I could approach to put my towline up.
Chris Wood

Sea Toby
8th February 2007, 22:16
I believe one of the 6-inch turrets of the cruiser Leander is on display at the Devenport Naval Base in Auckland. The Indian government gave it back after decommissioning the cruiser.

Chile will soon discard their Leander frigates when the new used Dutch and British frigates are commissioned. This should leave India and Indonesia as operating Leander class frigates.

dinger69
16th March 2007, 23:37
The "faded" pennant numbers on the RNZN ships hulls and the "no more to be seen black funnel tops" is to stop visual recognition of a ship from afar. In the old days, the pennant numbers used to be painted out completely. When the RNZN had a four frigate navy, the senior ship used to have approximately the top quarter painted black with a white stripe below it. This denoted that she was the Squadron Commander. Now we don't have enough frigates to have a squadron! I hate to admit it, but the faded pennant numbers, etc do make the ships look scruffy. I last saw Canterbury in Timaru in March 2005 and she was looking old and tired.

Hawkeye
17th March 2007, 03:30
Hi Taz

So where are my Leanders > Charybdis ( Cherry Bee ) > Juno ( Do You Know where we are ? ) & Galatea ( Galloping Tea Urn ) ??? Will New Zealand be buying them up and sinking them as "Dive" wrecks, off Auckland & Wellington, for the tourist industry ??? From > TAZ in Napier > Hawke's Bay > New Zealand

No, To late, New Zealand will not be buying any of these ships for diving wrecks. Charybdis was expended as a target in 1993. Galatea was also expended as a target in 1988, & Juno was scrapped in 1994.

Have a look at these links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leander_class_frigate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Charybdis_%28F75%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Galatea_%28F18%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Juno_%28F52%29

Regards
Karl

wigger
17th March 2007, 09:17
HMS Andromeda was sold to the Indian navy sometime around 1995 and renamed INS Krishna. Janes still had her listed as active a couple of years ago. :)

J Boyde
17th March 2007, 10:07
The cruiser Achillies. When she was scrapped in India, one of the turrents was returned to NZ. This turrent, with guns and a couple of other bits are mounted out side the gate at Devonport Naval base, NZ
Jim B

jimmyc
17th March 2007, 11:23
As for Leander class frigates there are some pictures taken by tha RAN showing a Mk.48 torpedo hits the formar H.M.A.S Yarra i think, after the ship was decommissiond and used as a target. Will attempt to find those pictures and post them.
Was Hmas Torrens as target practice
By Collins Class sub HMAS Dechaineux

click here for pictures
http://www.gunplot.net/photsection/displayimage.php?album=22&pos=11

jimmyc
17th March 2007, 11:57
Hmas Canterbury was with us at Gibraltar for Silver Jubilee Spithead Review
I was on Hmas Brisbane all were in the company with the dreaded Hmas Melbourne
we ran up The Rock trying to beat Britsh Commando's Record
teams of 6 combined time
Some Kiwi made it up really quick but had to stop for a crap
was still steaming when I went passed
Kiwi made it in near record timeTough bloke for sure

In The RAN the ships were commonly called Type 12's or River Class Destroyer Escorts

I served on Hmas Derwent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_class_destroyer_escort

f421
23rd November 2007, 23:56
HMNZS Canterbury's gun was sen to the Naval Musem in Auckland...............

F421 looks very sad in those picts.....her career was short....

f421
23rd November 2007, 23:59
Hi

Could Someone Please Place A Pic Of Hmnzs Canterbury Flying Her Decommisioning Pennant?

Thans