Lambert Bros."Temples"

notnila
6th July 2007, 23:00
I'm surprised that no-one has introduced Lambert Bros.I believe that they never had more than three ships at any one time.I joined the"Temple Lane"in Dundee, bound ,eventualy,for five months around Indian sub-continent coast.Crew accomodation was probably years ahead of its time,single berth for all hands,different wood panelling in every cabin.I remember a couple of American merchant seamen invited aboard for a bevvy in Culcutta and one saying to the other"Look George,real wood!"And then the inevitible"The only wood in an American ship,is the butchers' block!!She was a good ship even though the crowd complained about the grub.Yellow Peril three times a week!!

robandbarbara
6th July 2007, 23:18
I dont know much about the Company, having only seen a couple of their ships over the years. I was surprised to come acrosso the hulk ( in fact more like half the ship) of the Greek 'Telamon' ex 'Temple Hall' in Arrecife Harbour, Lanzarotte, a couple of years ago. It appears that she has been there for quite a few years.
Rob.,

Peter4447
6th July 2007, 23:30
At the end of the 1950's they had three of their ships laid up together in the River Stour.

Peter4447

muldonaich
7th July 2007, 01:18
I'm surprised that no-one has introduced Lambert Bros.I believe that they never had more than three ships at any one time.I joined the"Temple Lane"in Dundee, bound ,eventualy,for five months around Indian sub-continent coast.Crew accomodation was probably years ahead of its time,single berth for all hands,different wood panelling in every cabin.I remember a couple of American merchant seamen invited aboard for a bevvy in Culcutta and one saying to the other"Look George,real wood!"And then the inevitible"The only wood in an American ship,is the butchers' block!!She was a good ship even though the crowd complained about the grub.Yellow Peril three times a week!!temple main temple hall temple arch would i be right kev.

Dave Edge
7th July 2007, 01:57
Lambert Brothers entered shipowning in 1879 and, with both brothers being members of the Coal Factors Society and being based in the Coal Exchange, London, they built up a fleet of coastal colliers. By 1896 a fleet of ten colliers was operated but in that year Lambert Brothers sold their coal interests and fleet to William Cory and thereafter traded deep sea tramps. The 'Temple' names came from the title of the Temple Steam Ship Company, formed in London in 1921 by Temple, Thomson & Clark, which was taken over by Lamberts in 1926. In 1928 five new tramps were delivered with 'Temple' names and the company traded through the depression without laying up any ships. In 1935 the Dornoch Shipping Company was formed in Glasgow and at the outbreak of war Lambert Brothers and its subsidiaries operated a fleet of ten tramps. Five were war losses and post-war the Dornoch Shipping Company was sold to Harrisons (Clyde) Ltd. Three ships joined the fleet in the 1950's, the Temples 'Hall', 'Lane' and 'Main' and in 1969 took delivery of the first of four bulk carriers with 'Temple' names that operated within the Scottish Ship Management fleet, the last of them being sold in 1978. The company then traded as shipping agents and may still do so.

anthony lear
7th July 2007, 10:05
I have pics of temple lane, temple yard and temple moat non of which appear to have been mentioned
tony lear

robandbarbara
7th July 2007, 10:58
I have a record of seeing 'Temple Arch 5238/40, presumably in London,
date not recorded. Later became 'Marihora'
Also 'Temple Bar' 7000/43 Later became 'Hoping Er Shi Chi'

Mention also made in my records of 'Temple Inn' - but not actually seen.

trotterdotpom
7th July 2007, 11:25
The last four ships, with Scottish Ship Management, were Temple Arch, Temple Bar, Temple Inn and Temple Hall. All four had the notorious Ruston AO engines which would have been enough to bankrupt any shipping company. All were eventually re-engined in Amsterdam with Werkspoors.

Temple Hall was bareboat chartered to British Phosphate Commissioners and had Australian crew.

Temple Bar is believed to be still running in Canada and called Algonorth - minus the cranes.

Temple Hall was converted to a pipe burying ship, renamed Sandpiper and sails under Norwegian flag in the North Sea oil business.

The other two were eventually scrapped.

Lamberts broke away from Scottish Ship Management in 1975 and the ships were managed by Whitco Marine. Management of Temple Inn was transferred to Salen in 1977 and she appears to have been the last ship owned by Lamberts.

John T.

gdynia
7th July 2007, 11:34
I posted a photo of Sandpiper its at

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/45814/cat/all/si/Sandpiper/what/allfields

Algonorth is at

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/27091/si/Algonorth/what/allfields

The other 2 vessels are in Gallery also just search with their names

notnila
7th July 2007, 23:41
You guys never fail to amaze me with the amount of information,and depth of knowledge that's freely shared"at the drop of a hat".I've learned more about Lambert Bros.in the last 24hours than I did doing a five month trip with them.Despite the "Yellow Peril"three times a week!!!

robandbarbara
8th July 2007, 12:17
I have just found the following details about their fleets in 'SHIPPING'1945

1945 Fleet:-
Temple Arch. 5138/40 Fate ?
Temple Inn 5218/40 "
Temple Yard 5208/37 "
+ 5 managed for MOWT.

1964 Fleet
Temple Hall 8003/54 became Pantelis (GK), Telamon (GK):-
Beached off Arricife 1981 after developing leaks. Still there
2003.
Temple Lane 7847/54 became Dunster (UK) Deuterornis
Humanity (GK), Lauria Fidelity (GK)
Temple Main 8005/58. became Irini (GK), Spirit (MALTA) B/U 1984

Geoff of Hull
13th November 2007, 21:05
Joined the Temple Lane in Hull in 1964 as deck boy 75% of the crowd were from Hull and about 90% have crossed the bar now although I have seen 2 in the last 2 years.The chippie and 1 AB was from Greenock Mick O'Brian..
We did 7 months of hell very little overtime, in fact us peggies got 1/2 hour a night overtime..Hull -continent -India-Japan-Vancouver- Surrey commercial 7 month trip.

Edd Root
29th November 2007, 17:08
I sailed on the temple Bar with my two Brothers I a/b +2 sos , June 53 - Nov 53, Tampa, San Pedro, Hobart, Cairns,Singapore, Cape town, paid off in Hull.
Anybody out there ?

Aristo
2nd January 2008, 09:51
I found some information from theshiplist.com on three vessels that must be among the first owned by Lambert Bros.

Wyberton, built 1872 by Withy Alexander, Middleton for ?. 1881 transferred from Lambert Bros to Rotterdam Lloyd and renamed Zeeland. 1891 reverted to Lambert Bros and renamed Wyberton. Fate ?

Hampton, built 1873 by Blumer, Sunderland for ?. 1881 sold by Lambert Bros to Rotterdam Lloyd and renamed Limburg, 1887 sold to Norway renamed Freja. Fate ?

Torrington, built 1874 by Dixon, Middlesbrough for ?. 1881 transferred from Lambert Bros to Rotterdam Lloyd and renamed Noord Holland, 1891 reverted to Lambert Bros, renamed Torrington. Fate ?

There seems to have been some connection at that point between Lambert Bros and Rotterdam Lloyd.

Unfortunately, I was not able to find out the rest of the three ships history, maybe someone knows something more?

ColesHome
17th January 2009, 17:32
At the end of the 1950's they had three of their ships laid up together in the River Stour.

Peter4447

Temple Ships laid up on river Stour

In December 1958 after serving my time with Lambert Bros., I had just obtained 2nd Mates and was waiting at home for a 3rd Mates job on the Temple Main, due back in UK in the new year. I had a temporary job stacking shelves in a supermarket and was looking forward to Christmas.

I had an urgent call from the Company. Three laid up Temple ... ships (I think Arch, Inn and Bar) were moored side by side to buoys fore and aft, a couple of miles up from Harwich on the Stour. The layup crew comprised a Skipper, Mate, Engineer, retired Steward/Cook and two Somali Firemen.

Apparently the Skipper had gone home for the weekend and the Mate and Engineer had used A lifeboat and a jollyboat to go ashore to a pub a mile or so away across the fields on the Suffolk side. They had moored a home made buoy just below the low water line, to which they moored the 40 man diesel powered lifeboat and used the jollyboat to row ashore, pulling it above the high tide line. After leaving the pub at closing time (on Saturday), the were not seen alive again. The two boats and the buoy were also missing. The retired Steward and Firemen had no way of communicating with the shore, so it was 36 hours before the alarm was raised as the "trot boat" from Harwich only called a couple of times a week.

My first job as 3rd Mate was the unpleasant task of packing the deceased's belongings for sending to their wives at home.

Peter4447
17th January 2009, 23:44
Hi Coleshome
You are indeed correct - the 3 laid up were 'Temple Arch' 'Temple Bar' and 'Temple Inn'.
Peter4447

john dodd
27th May 2009, 16:05
the Temple Bar had a major engine-room explosion in '73 north of Djakarta, at the time I was an A.B. on Cape Wrath in Singapore, we sailed next day and went to her assistance. We arrived next and went across to her in our lifeboat. she was in a terrible mess. Lucky nobody killed, everyone was on the booze and they were coocking their grub on a barby, as there was no power at all. at first we heard that we may be towing her to U.K. But she was eventually towed by tug to Singapore and Re-engined. j. dodd

PILL SHARK
23rd July 2009, 01:57
JOINED Temple arch sometime in 71 in Avonmouth said to denmark and loaded cement clinker dust everywhere and then it rained slightly just enough for the cement to set on every weld and flat edge on the ship.Still trying to get it of six months later. The skippers name was Hall failed to understand that the whole crew were first trip GPs and on that ship we were never out of the engine room I new nothing of liners pistons grinding valves untill i joined the MV Temple arch after that trip i could have sailed as a grease monkey.No more GPs for me i liked the bronze to much.

Grimsby
23rd July 2009, 02:15
hi was on the temple main joined her in hull aug65 paid off in liverpool feb 66. the accomerdation was great crew not bad grub two steps above baron boats thanks for the memories cheers grimsby nz

aleccrichton1982
11th September 2009, 18:26
I Sailed First Trip Deck Boy Temple Hall A Voyage Of Just Over 6 Months.we Loaded Paper Pulp In Sweden For Shanghai.the Back To Mauritius Loaded Sugar For Liverpool.paid Off With A Fortune 132

Geoff Clode
23rd September 2009, 16:11
(Hippy) the Temple Bar had a major engine-room explosion in '73 north of Djakarta, at the time I was an A.B. on Cape Wrath in Singapore, we sailed next day and went to her assistance. We arrived next and went across to her in our lifeboat. she was in a terrible mess. Lucky nobody killed, everyone was on the booze and they were coocking their grub on a barby, as there was no power at all. at first we heard that we may be towing her to U.K. But she was eventually towed by tug to Singapore and Re-engined. j. dodd

I joined Temple Bar in 73 Birkenhead (Whitcos) as 3rd Engineer and she was enormous after Clipper ships. We hit the jetty leaving and had a blackout. Kicked off 1 genny and got everything going o.k. 2of us, nobody came down below- scared of the dark! We were supposed to go to Africa but went to Canada for Iron Ore, then back to Cardiff. She had Stork Voerkspoor engines which were in good condition. the fire must have been later in the year. Geoff clode

maritiem
30th September 2009, 13:19
Hallo Aristo
Lambert Brothers took over the Commercial Steamship Co. Ltd from Young, Ehlers & Co. in 1905.
Young, Ehlers & Co. (Commercial Steamship Co. Ltd) had connections with Wm Ruys and stood at the base of the founding of the Stoomboot Reederij Rotterdamsche Lloyd in 1875, which in its turn led in 1883 to the Rotterdamsche Lloyd.
Regards
Henk Jungerius

alan ward
21st October 2011, 14:32
Sailed on the Temple Bar 1975 paid off just before Christmas in Hamburg

stephenj38
13th February 2012, 20:30
I joined the Temple Lane oct 1962 in Newport Wales out to India. Pakistan

paid off march 1963 very good modern ship at that time enjoyed the trip

para handy clyde
27th April 2012, 21:00
Spent nine months on this great vessel.Was with S.S.M when she was handed over to Whitco Marine.This was sailing as it should be.
first class accomodation,great bunch of Officers and Crew,and the run we were on at the time meant it was a wrench to leave her.
regards to anyone who was there at the time.

alan ward
28th April 2012, 10:44
Further to the Temple Bar posting.I spent 4 months on her in 1975 with right mix of crew,engine room were from Aden,deck were southampton the bosun was from gloucester and about everyone else was glaswegian.In Le Havre I bought 6 60litre containers of cheap vin ordinaire and some litre carafes thinking that we could have sophisticated,elegant evening meals with cheaply priced wine flowing .Big mistake,it was not popular beer was the chosen beverage and lots of it.We loaded nitrates(bird ****)in Togo and set off for Ghent,it was stinking hot everyone liked a drink especially the OM Bill Chippendale,and as luck would have it we ran out of ale and they started on the wine.It was drunk with lemonade until that ran out,then bitter lemon,then soda water,next tonic and finally straight it lasted until we arrived in Ghent and we could restock the bond but I will always remember the queue of ABs al asking`Hey chief sell us one on they giraffes`

Essjay
28th April 2012, 19:53
I'm surprised that no-one has introduced Lambert Bros.I believe that they never had more than three ships at any one time.I joined the"Temple Lane"in Dundee, bound ,eventualy,for five months around Indian sub-continent coast.Crew accomodation was probably years ahead of its time,single berth for all hands,different wood panelling in every cabin.I remember a couple of American merchant seamen invited aboard for a bevvy in Culcutta and one saying to the other"Look George,real wood!"And then the inevitible"The only wood in an American ship,is the butchers' block!!She was a good ship even though the crowd complained about the grub.Yellow Peril three times a week!!

I was on the maiden voyage of the Temple Lane, out of Amsterdam in the '50's

notnila
28th April 2012, 20:23
Hi Essjay,
I think my one trip on her may have been the trip after stephenj38s trip.She was chartered to Pakistan National S.Co.at that time.
Best Regards
Arch

John Raffell
16th July 2012, 10:20
I did a couple of trips on the Temple Inn. I think we ran across to Canada with coal from Newport Gwent and brought wooden planks back. My claim to fame was a girlfriend who used to live next door to Bonnie Tyler, ah Jeanna!
I remember a disaster. The second was a ginger Kiwi, nice guy, the second mate and I having a cuppa up fwd and I tapped the paint off the big B badge strapped to the bulwark. Someone told me that the ship used to belong to Brauns? Anyway as the paint chipped off it revealed a nice phosphor bronze colour! Got the scrappy down and he offered us 300 for it. A nice Chrimbo present as it was about the 22nd December. So I ended up breaking my arm on the drilling machine and being paid off sick! Am I still owed 100? HaHa.
HMS Something or other was in and three or four of us went to the dockside pub to see the stripper, phew, red hot. 2nd mate won the raffle, a big bottle of scotch, so we had to drink it with all the 200 RN lads-a great night!

trotterdotpom
16th July 2012, 11:07
Temple Inn was built for Lamberts in Haugesund. Don't know what the "B" was for. Where exactly was it?

John T.

John Raffell
16th July 2012, 11:22
I think I may be getting mixed up with the Scottish Wasa. My discharge books were all lost in 1980, so I don't have a record of dates etc.

trotterdotpom
16th July 2012, 11:40
"Scottish Wasa" was originally managed by Common Bros and called "Iron Crown" by coincidence I sailed on her too. I think the owners were called Vallum shipping, but that was probably part of Common Bros. Not sure about that. "Iron Crown" was on BISCo charter and sailed to all the iron ore ports. I suppose she was sold when the charter ran out.

John T

A.D.FROST
16th July 2012, 12:15
"Scottish Wasa" was originally managed by Common Bros and called "Iron Crown" by coincidence I sailed on her too. I think the owners were called Vallum shipping, but that was probably part of Common Bros. Not sure about that. "Iron Crown" was on BISCo charter and sailed to all the iron ore ports. I suppose she was sold when the charter ran out.

John T

The "Iron"boats owned by Vallum Shg. (Common Bros.,Matheson & BISCO.) name taken from Hadrians Wall (built to protect attackers from the North) so its ironic the ship was r/n SCOTTISH WASA B\)