Least favourite ships

japottinger
27th July 2007, 19:58
We have had a lot of posts re favourite ship, any takers for least?

sparkie2182
27th July 2007, 20:17
easy...........cunard chieftain

japottinger
27th July 2007, 20:53
Judging by your quick reply you have no doubts!
Any comments re your choice Sparkie?

kottemann
27th July 2007, 21:12
do you mean ships sailed on or just in general

japottinger
27th July 2007, 21:32
do you mean ships sailed on or just in general

Open to comments, but primarily directed to Brocklebank ship. ( Were there ANY bad Brocklebank ships?)

kottemann
27th July 2007, 22:06
Sorry mate didnt realise it was in the Brocklebank section so I will bow out now

marine master
27th July 2007, 23:25
Brockle-who?

Philthechill
28th July 2007, 00:04
Mr. Pottinger, sahib, if you care to have a chota dekko at my posting of 14/6/07 tha will see I did, indeed, mention "my least favourite ship" i.e. "S.S. Matheran"! A ship that should go down in the annals of Brocklebanks as being a bloody hard-working ship (engine-room wise). Ok this could well be because I sailed on her in 1961, when she was already 19 years old, but she was extremely hard work as anyone who sailed on her as engine-room staff will confirm! Salaams, Phil Roe

sparkie2182
28th July 2007, 00:49
hello japottinger..............

further comments would last until xmas........

and would start at the top........ and finish there

best regards..........

sparkie2182

Bob_F
28th July 2007, 03:57
After sailing and coasting quite a number of Brocks ships, I cant say I had a least favoured one. Some of the ships I coasted and sailed on had been neglected by the previous crews. I always found that the hard working ships were the happiest ships, and everyone helped one another. Age of the ship had no bearing on there state of repair but always found the older ships to be the happy ones. Usually any problems I had or heard about in Brocks were about the Senior officers!!
Cheers.
Bob_F

sparkie2182
28th July 2007, 14:38
spot on.........bob.

Philthechill
28th July 2007, 16:00
After sailing and coasting quite a number of Brocks ships, I cant say I had a least favoured one. Some of the ships I coasted and sailed on had been neglected by the previous crews. I always found that the hard working ships were the happiest ships, and everyone helped one another. Age of the ship had no bearing on there state of repair but always found the older ships to be the happy ones. Usually any problems I had or heard about in Brocks were about the Senior officers!!
Cheers.
Bob_F Bob! You're quite right about the older ships being the happier. In spite of my horrendous experience on "Matheran" the crowd were all good skins which made it all bearable (sort of!). No a/c made for a more friendly atmosphere, I always thought, with doors wide open and just the door curtains blowing into the alleyway at night when all hands were turned-in. Your remark about some of the Senior Officers is right too. My particular bete noir was "Crikey" Morris who had a down on me from early-on in the one and only trip I did with him on "Maipura"! I may put THAT particular experience in another thread later!!! Salaams Phil Roe

Tony Selman
29th July 2007, 11:08
I enjoyed my time on all the Brock's ships I sailed on either deep sea or on the coast. However, as we have included Cunard Chieftain in here as being part of the greater Cunard-Brocklebank empire then I have an outstanding candidate with absolutely no competition as the worst of the lot. Moss Tanker's Lucigen was an atrocious ship as has been posted on several other threads, nothing else came close in my experience. (MAD)

marine master
29th July 2007, 18:06
Brockle-who?or what?

Tony Crompton
29th July 2007, 18:52
Any ship "G*b Nutall was Master of.
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Tony C

Tony Sprigings
29th July 2007, 21:19
I have read with some sadness the various comments that have been written about the ships owned by Thos & Jno. Brocklebank Ltd.
I am sure that most is well meant but considering that it is at least 18 years since any Brocklebank ship sailed any of the seven seas it is sad to find that grudges are still being harboured. We're getting very long in the tooth now and I would rather remember the good times than the bad.
One of the phrases that has stuck in my mind for a long time is 'Be nice to the people on the way up because you will meet them all on the way down'
Best wishes to you all and lets have some nice memories.

japottinger
29th July 2007, 21:22
Oddly enough the Matheran was my least favourite too, mainly due to the infernal whine of her gearcase, a short coastal trip was enough.
Re Crikey Morris, he was first trip master on Maihar on voyage 94 starting when I joined her after her big refurbishment, leaving Glasgow on 30/5/57, Russell Gordon was Ch. Eng
As engineer did not have much contact with him but never heard anything derogatory.
Same goes for Nuttal on the Manipur, but I was lucky to have Russell and Johnny MCallum (n "c" in his name as he signed it))as Ch. Eng. on above ships, so am sure they kept them at arms length and not let interfere too much!

japottinger
29th July 2007, 21:25
Hear, Hear Tony, over the piece cannot recall any I would not sail with again, above or below.

Philthechill
29th July 2007, 23:34
Tony, with all due respect, working in the engine-room was a totally different kettle-of-mahseer (how's about that for clever use of a Brock ship name!!!!) to working on deck! What would be "just another old ship" to deck-officers could be the source of many hours, days, weeks, months of bloody hard graft, under extreme conditions, just keeping everything going! It's a shame that you feel saddened that criticism is being levelled at these old work-horses but believe me I, for one, can't EVER look back on my six-month voyage on "Matheran" through rose-coloured spectacles!!! She bloody near killed me after all!!! Obviously there were good times but there were some very, very dark days too!!! I agree that it's a good idea to remember the good times but we've also got to be practical and recall the inclement times as well, otherwise stories about horrendous breakdowns would be lost forever which would be calamitous as there are many, many people who are genuinely interested in hearing/reading of such matters. (I would imagine most memories of "bad" ships will come from engineers!!!!!) Burra salaams Phil Roe

Tony Sprigings
30th July 2007, 10:17
Phil, Point taken and I certainly do understand the trails and tribulations that, as Engineers, you had to contend with. I was merely trying to correct the balance which seemed to be tipping too far in one direction. Salaams. Tony

Philthechill
30th July 2007, 16:39
Tony! Thanks for your reply! The ACL ships had their moments too as you can see from the "threads" I've posted under the "Container vessels" header! I look back on those times with wry memories rather than downright dislike! My recall of the "three weeks off" when you were on leave went something like this. Week 1 of your leave and you were still extremely "twitchy" from your six-weeks of duty, leaping out of bed and scrabbling round for the telephone, which was, by this time, some few thousand miles away, at the slightest noise. Week 2 and you were, more or less, relaxed and starting to enjoy things. Week 3 and you started to wind yourself up getting ready to rejoin and would be spent shouting at the Memsahib and chokri!!! So I reckon when we talk about "bad" ships it's with the same sort of "badness" we attach to any unpleasant experience and doesn't detract from the fact that T & J were a brilliant company to work for!! The fact there were a few bad apples in the barrel, of ships, owned by them means nought in the greater scheme of things. Luckily we were all young men and we could shrug off the nastier things we had to contend with. Amazing what solace could be found in a can, or twelve, of Tennents!! Burra salaams, Phil

Derek Roger
31st July 2007, 03:19
Never had a bad trip on a Brock ship although there were many hard times with some of the older vessels ; notwithstanding they were all Happy Ships !
My worst trip as an engineer was the Moss Tanker Lucigen ! ( I agree with Tony Selman ) however the memories of " worst " only relate to the engine room and I have many happy memories of that trip . We did have some crew unrest and had to fly some back from Singapore but that is another story which I still dine out on !
Spent Xmas day in the engine room ( brocken dowm ) on way to Okinawa in mid pacific .
All the engineers had Xmas dinner on the poop in dirty boiler suits ! Old man and some other deck officers came aft and served us along with lots of "Tennants "
Oh Happy Days Derek

saltyswamp
31st July 2007, 23:42
Hi all, Is there any other ships out there beside Brocks
saltyswamp(Pint)

Derek Roger
1st August 2007, 03:24
Indeed there are Salty and I am somewhat suprised that only Brock members seem to have commented on this thread which I am sure was posted to get some feedback on trips which were less than satifactory !
There must be many interesting stories of " poor/difficult/ hell voyages " yet to unfold .

Thanks for pointing out the fact .
Kind regards Derek

Eric Wallace
1st August 2007, 03:37
you did not make it clear that it was only Brocklebank you were talking about.

Derek Roger
1st August 2007, 03:57
Eric ;
The Comments to date seem to be Brocklebanks / Cunard and Moss Tankers but if you read the initial post I think you will agree that the question raised is quite broad and Im am sure any posts of " least favorite ships " would be appreciated from any source .
Kind Regards Derek

Fairfield
1st August 2007, 12:21
Do you mean least favourite of a particular company or least favourite type. I can't comment on the former but as far as type is concerned it has to be these car carriers, now with vertical bows!!

K urgess
1st August 2007, 13:15
Since this is in the Brock's forum I've hijacked the title and started a thread on the mess deck for all us "others" to moan in.

Brock's Boys are, of course, welcome to join in.(Thumb)

Kris

Duncan112
3rd August 2007, 21:10
Never had a "bad trip" - mind some were better than others!!

Sailed with one 2/M who was leaving due to redundancy and on his last voyage he kept a list of what he regarded as bad times on the trip (precious few hasten to add) then when he was tempted to don the rose tinted spectacles he could take the list out and realise that going ashore was the right decision.

Wise man!!

Duncan.

john g
7th August 2007, 21:06
Sailed on a couple of miserable Brocks boats but looking back it gave me a great insight into personalities and gave me a hugh sense of tolerance towards collegues which I have to this day........There was no back door at sea you just adapted to the characters, something you can't do ashore

Philthechill
8th August 2007, 00:33
Sailed on a couple of miserable Brocks boats but looking back it gave me a great insight into personalities and gave me a hugh sense of tolerance towards collegues which I have to this day........There was no back door at sea you just adapted to the characters, something you can't do ashore John! Sorry to be pedantic (he said just before being pedantic) but them there Ro-Ro ships t'Atlantic Causeway and t'Atlantic Conveyor did have extremly large f**k-off doors at t'back so, you see, there were back-doors on ships!!! Toodle-pip! Phil Roe

japottinger
8th August 2007, 20:06
Not sure about the comment, but I would assume that being a Brocklebank forum the majority of posts would relate to Brocklebank ships.

japottinger
8th August 2007, 20:07
re Salty swamp. Not sure about the comment, but I would assume that being a Brocklebank forum the majority of posts would relate to Brocklebank ships.

gbcolbri
20th May 2008, 18:40
Yes,

MV Lucigen. In the early seventies I was an Engineer Cadet on the Lumen sharing the run between Ras Tanura and Jedda with the good old Lucigen. We were occasionally in port together and heard all the horror stories. I only had about another month's sea time left to go before rising to the dizzy ranks of the one bander, and arrived in Jedda to see the Lucigen still on our berth. It seems the fifth engineer had met an unfortunate accident, and the ship was held up because they couldn't get a replacement flown in to Jedda. (in those days we flew to Dahrain on the east coast. The Saudis were funny about entry to their country). To cut a long story short the Chief Engineer on the Lucigen approached the Chief on the Lumen, to see if they could have me. I was offered an early promotion if I would jump ship. Believe it or not I got away with a refusal!

The Lucigen was the only ship I ever saw with a football field. The centre castle which never had accomodation built on it had a mesh structure built round it and was used for footy. Perhaps that's how the fifth engineer broke his arm / leg or whatever it was. Some say he did it on purpose.

Keckers
21st May 2008, 08:21
Probably the Asiafreighter - the officers were the most pompous bunch I'd ever met (or meet) and as it was only my 2nd trip I was treated like either a naughty schoolboy - or a pariah.

Chouan
21st May 2008, 10:45
There are two, Havdrott and Havjarl, both, as would usually be the case are to do with the people rather than the ships. British Officers with the exception of the 4/E and 3/0 who were Filipinos, as were the crew. The bulk of the Officers had been P&O, but were now part of Havtor, but still thought themselves P&O. They, with one or two exceptions, treated the Filipino officers disgracefully, refusing to socialise with them. As one of them put it, "this is a white man's bar". At the same time the Filipino Officers were forbidden to socialise with the crew.
I joined as 2/0 having been on conventional tankers and OBOs before and was given absolutely no help in learning a new job at all. Indeed, I found myself being stabbed in the back at every turn on both ships, by 2 of the 3 Mates I sailed with, both ex P&O.
Two examples will suffice:
1) I joined the Havjarl in Sembawang preparatory to going into drydock. The day I joined I'm going around the ship with the Mate when I fainted. I'd flown out from Britain in winter to an eternal 30 degree summer, after a very long flight. "Go and have a lie down says the Mate, don't worry about it". Next thing the Old Man is banging in the door "What do you think you're doing? Where do you think you are? The Mate said you were taking it easy and he was right!" Or words to that effect.
2) We're sailing from Sembawang that day. After lunch the Mate tells me that the Pilot is due at 1500 and gives me a job forrard and a walky talky. As I go forrard the Old Man shouts on the walky talky "Where's the f....g Second Mate, the Pilot's onboard. why isn't the gear tested?" Turns out that the pilot was due at 1300, which the Mate knew fine well, but of course denies telling me 1500.
Shower of b......s. I was glad to go, and the only company I ever resigned from.

sidsal
14th October 2008, 22:02
As a new member I am still going through the various messages - most of which were months and months ago. I agree with Tony Spriggins and others that memories of most Brock ships were pleasant although some characters were nicer than others. Engineers mention the hard work in some ships' engine rooms but I venture to suggest that the engineers on a subsequent ship of mine would test them to the uttermost. I left Brocks in 1947 as I wanted rapid promotion so I joined the Anglo-American Oil Co's twin screwed motor ship F J WOLFE at Barrow. She was a truly rogue tanker. Built in the 30's she was taken over as reparations before WW2. She had MAN engines which constantly broke down. The reson she was at Barrow was because engineers from MAN Germany were working with Vickers to develop peroxide powered submarines and they thought they could sort out the WOLFE'S engines. After 3 wonderful months at Barrow where we had a ball we went to Cammell Lairds in Birkenhead to drydock. On leaving, the electric steering broke down as was its won't; 2 anchors were dropped and we rounded nicely and came alongside Woodside ferry stage. Awaiting passengers hurtled back up the gangway off the pontoon.
The engines broke down every few days and we spent a week or two at Port Said and then the same in the Persian Gulf. This was normal routine; the engineers kept watch in swimming trunks because of the spurting oil. It is the only ship I have been on where the deck crew assited the engine room staff to draw pistons and fit new rings. On one voyage we rendevoued with a sistership the D L HARPER in the Arabian Sea and rowed over piston rings to enable her to get going. Tugs would meet us by the Nab Tower and help us up to Fawley with only two cylinders on one engine operating.
I was on her for a year and one of the masters was Tyrrell from Arklow - a well known family there. He had served on the Iriquois - the ship that towed a big 7 masted sailing barge regularly from the Mexican Gulf to the Thames.
The sails were in case the tow broke.
The WOLFE would loose about 200 tons of oil on passage and once coming down the Arabian coast towards Aden in the hevay seas of the SW Monsoon we had a trail of smooth oily seas behind us with several small tankers using it to get a smoothish ride.
Happy days ( not quite)