Type 22 Batch 3 "extra mast!"

medway
27th August 2007, 11:54
Photos of the batch 3 ships show what looks like a small mast/exhaust stack on their hanger roof just aft of the main mast. Anyone any idea what they are for. Not every ship seems to have th same type of "mast"
They can be seen on this site as per the links below.

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/59880

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/77119

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/77644

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/57638

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/30122


http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/27342

cockerhoop
27th August 2007, 13:22
I agree and have asked the same question

boulton
18th November 2007, 18:03
In a similar vein, “MODERN COMBAT SHIPS 3 -Type 42”, by Leo Marriott, explains on page 60 (as the caption to a photograph) that,

“The conical antennae mounted of either side of the forward superstructure had no operational use - but, caused a lot of head scratching in Soviet intelligence circles!”

These replicas of “Madonna’s brassieres”, are shown on many early photos of Type 42, located just below and a little to the rear of the original 20mm cannon. The brassieres seem to have been removed about the same time that the Type 42 lost their boats to allow platforms to be built to take the additional 30mm (later replaced by Phlanx), and (to the rear) 20mm close-in weapons.

I've just checked,

http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/index11.htm

and, some ships with boats have “Madonna’s brassieres”, some do not. No ships with (platforms for) supplementary close-in weapons have “Madonna’s brassieres”.


Might it be that the same person responsible for “Madonna’s brassieres”, is again exercising their sense of humour with the Type 22 Batch 3 "extra mast" ?!

Alternatively - I think the “extra mast” might have made its appearance at the same time that the Type 22 Batch 3, had Goalkeeper fitted, forward, in between the foremast and the forward Seawolf tracking radar. Could this be coincidence ??

wigger
18th November 2007, 20:01
Quote from "Modern Combat Ships 5 - Type 21" by Capt John Lippiett. "The spike aerials either side of the mast look impressive but house only TV aerials." They seemed to disappear from the foremast sometime around the mid 80's.

Regarding the T22 extra mast, The 4 batch 3 ships were equipped with Goalkeeper from completion, or very soon after. The "extra mast" is a more recent addition.

Kind regards
Craig.

Tomvart
24th December 2007, 22:35
This looks to me to be a Deployment enhancement as some ships are 'fitted for - but not with' I know that EOS devices are not fitted as standard - this looks to be some form of optical sighting system similar to the GPEOD of the Type 23.
Regards,
Tom

medway
23rd July 2008, 07:27
Well today an ex RN type said they call it an IAE2 Mast. But had no idea what it did quote "not in my department so who knows".

I have uploaded a bigger photo of it at http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/129129

jmw75
10th January 2009, 18:19
Gents,

Served on Sheffield T42 and Wigger is right. “Madonna’s brassieres”, was a form of 360 deg TV aerial. Worked to a fashion in UK waters.

Regards

John

markwarner
12th January 2009, 09:51
I am also an ex-Sheff and agree with the info on “Madonna’s brassieres”,

wildcat45
16th January 2009, 15:48
As a youg ship spotter I was told by an officer on an early T42, either Sheff or '87 that the cones were TV airiels.

As for the T22BIII mast it's ESM/ELINT kit. Bear in mind these ships operate very often in areas where equipment like that is very useful.

Jack2010
16th December 2009, 10:57
I was told by senior officers that it's called a 'secret squirrel' for gathering elec/intel and has been in for a number of years, circ 2000.

NickNZ
19th December 2009, 09:24
Well today an ex RN type said they call it an IAE2 Mast. But had no idea what it did quote "not in my department so who knows".

I have uploaded a bigger photo of it at http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/129129

It's the Daleks! Probably something to do with manning problems.

WARSHIP DISPOSAL
28th December 2009, 11:53
how about lazer range finder as fitted on the bridge roof and to type 23s this has many uses and was once thought to be used to blind pilots of attacking enemy a/c