Shipbreaking Industries

Banni
14th September 2007, 19:44
Many years ago I remember my mum working at Metal Industries, Faslane. looking at forum entries here it refers to Shipbreaking Industries, owing to my young age I didn't pay much attention at that time. Is there a list anywhere of the ships that were broken up there?
Also I recall the 'first' Titanic film in black and white, apparently some of the scenes were shot at Faslane using a liner that was there to be broken up - does anybody have anything on that?

Santos
14th September 2007, 20:06
Parts of the 1958 film A Night to Remember starring Kenneth Moore was shot on location in Thomas Ward Shipbreaking Yard, Helensburgh, Argyll, Scotland, according to the films' credits. It does not mention any other ship being used though.

Chris.

Paul UK
15th September 2007, 10:45
I remember the Ile De France being used in the Film Final Voyage maybe the story comes from there.

Paul

mrcanoehead
12th October 2007, 06:32
understand two former us navy T3 tankers are tied up there for scraping, sailed on the two of them, AO99 USS CANISTEO & A0 98 USS CALOOSATAHATCHEE, heard they were enviro nighmares, both paid off by 1989, they were not happy ships in the 80's , However on the Canisteo we did a rum tour under the guise of drug patols in west indies & central & south america, usuall harrassing boaters { usually nude} & shipping, total farce, but times ashoe were good especially in places like Trinidad& Tobago, Grenada, ST.Vincent, Martinique, French Guiana, & Guiana, Columbia, Colon, Kingston Jamacia.

I'm sure they'll be towed back across the atlantic & scraped in usa eventually, as the are quite an issue. maby its all about the prizes we left in the officers dining room at lay up time on the last day before they towed them up the river...oh well that was 1989

markwarner
12th October 2007, 11:04
understand two former us navy T3 tankers are tied up there for scraping, sailed on the two of them, AO99 USS CANISTEO & A0 98 USS CALOOSATAHATCHEE, heard they were enviro nighmares, both paid off by 1989, they were not happy ships in the 80's , However on the Canisteo we did a rum tour under the guise of drug patols in west indies & central & south america, usuall harrassing boaters { usually nude} & shipping, total farce, but times ashoe were good especially in places like Trinidad& Tobago, Grenada, ST.Vincent, Martinique, French Guiana, & Guiana, Columbia, Colon, Kingston Jamacia.

I'm sure they'll be towed back across the atlantic & scraped in usa eventually, as the are quite an issue. maby its all about the prizes we left in the officers dining room at lay up time on the last day before they towed them up the river...oh well that was 1989


The ships you are thinking about are in Hartlepool, which is on the north east coast of England.

mrcanoehead
13th October 2007, 04:51
(Cloud) as for leaving somthing in the dining room, I think it could bring a new meaning to CAPTAINS LOG! Guess you could say the intent suited the sympathies on the two of them as no one cared, many crew members were of the unsavory kind, thats how the us navy dealt with less than desierables, on the auxillary fleet & the oldest ones generally were unsafe, fire prone & machinery breakdowns common and no spare parts as well.

Bill Shaver

john forrest
31st January 2008, 04:41
Many years ago I remember my mum working at Metal Industries, Faslane. looking at forum entries here it refers to Shipbreaking Industries, owing to my young age I didn't pay much attention at that time. Is there a list anywhere of the ships that were broken up there?
Also I recall the 'first' Titanic film in black and white, apparently some of the scenes were shot at Faslane using a liner that was there to be broken up - does anybody have anything on that?

originaly from dumbarton, passed by fastlane many times, also heard some scenes in titanic were filmed at fastlane

Bill Forster
23rd April 2008, 10:15
My father, William Redvers Forster (1900-75), Lt(E) on HMS VENOMOUS 1944-6, was left in sole charge, technically (in the Navy's eyes) the CO though really only a caretaker, whilst it awaited towing from Grangemouth to Metals Industries for breaking in 1947.

I am publishing a new edition of Bob Moore's book on HMS VENOMOUS, "A HARD FOUGHT SHIP". Bob always wanted to know what happened to the ship's bell.

Were they pinched and flogged off by the workers at Metal Industries?

Bill

dave beaumont
29th April 2008, 05:53
Banni, the ship used for some of the deck scenes and lifeboat shots in the movie A Night To Remember were filmed on Royal Mail Lines ASTURIAS. Cheers Dave

Banni
29th April 2008, 16:28
Dave

Thank you for that, the extras included Metal Industries staff including my mum. I have also tried searching various sites etc to see if there was a list of ships broken up there without success.

chadburn
18th June 2008, 17:26
Re mrcanoehead and the American ships at Hartlepool for scrapping, they are not T3's but what could be termed a Post War version, they have caused consternation amongst the local greenies regarding their asbestos content which seems a bit odd bearing in mind Hartlepool built it's fortune on Shipowning and Shipbuilding steam jobs containing asbestos!! The "permissions" to scrap them are not yet in place but are not far off apparently and it seems at the moment that it will happen. The Company concerned has been scrapping oil Rig modules and Power stations for many years without any problems regarding asbestos and the whole thing went belly up when a High Court Judge decided that a ship was NOT a Marine Structure, I understand that part of the contract concerns two partially completed double hulled fleet tankers which he is hoping to complete and flog to the Royal Navy Aux Service as the Tankers they now have do not meet the forthcoming Safety Regulations and they will have to look for exemptions as I understand it.

chadburn
19th June 2008, 10:03
The latest news regarding the Hartlepool ships is that the Company concerned has until the 15th July to start scrapping them otherwise he is in trouble with the contract, as people will appreciate the whole situation regarding these vessel's has turned around completely in so far as previously Marad where paying people to scrap these vessel's now due to rapidly rising scrap prices they are now being bought for scrapping, however Marad also indicated that they would not be brought back to America, an apology to mrcanoehead they were known as T3's over the pond and he should know, although I have worked on a T2 I had not realised that the "T" designation had carried on post war and is something I had not heard before, we live and am alway's willing to learn.

andysk
19th June 2008, 13:27
Thank you for that, the extras included Metal Industries staff including my mum. I have also tried searching various sites etc to see if there was a list of ships broken up there without success.

Wasn't there something in a recent issue of "Ships in Focus" about shipbreaking in Scotland ?

JimC
19th June 2008, 14:42
It is just possible though most unlikely but Clyde Port Authority could have a record of ship movements over the years which might show vesels being towed to Faslane. Clyde pilots might also be a good source of info on ship movements particularly in annual accounts etc. Just a thought.

Banni
19th June 2008, 18:48
Thanks for the suggestions, I will try to pursue these avenues, if I get anything i will post them on here.

chadburn
26th June 2008, 14:11
It was announced this morning that Able have received the required permissions to start cutting up the "Ghost Ships" at Graythorpe thus beating the 15th July set by Marad. Cutting Torches to the ready. Unless of course!!!!!!

KEITH SEVILLE
26th June 2008, 20:35
Good to hear that they can get on with the job at last.
I realise they've had to go through the procedures before permission granted.
Hope that some of our members will be able to give us progress reports and some photos, as this has been a big issue for some years.

Regards
Keith

chadburn
27th June 2008, 15:35
It's certainly going to be an interesting place Keith a bit like the old days when they were scrapping the Reserve Fleet which were held in various ports (Hartlepool included) around the country, despite what the "greenies" want people to assume this scrapping facility is not in Hartlepool itself only within that Councils juristriction and next door to a NUCLEAR POWER STATION which has had numerous breakdowns on it's reactor cooling system since it was built!!! I am hoping that someone will be able (no it's not a pun) to tell me what are the names of the two partially complete Fleet Refuellers that are partof this Contract.

chadburn
2nd July 2008, 06:54
Latest news is that the redundant French Carrier is on it's way to Graythorpe near Hartlepool

mrcanoehead
24th July 2008, 07:56
As for being t3 sa2 types These were primairly ordered by the oil companies for transport of refind product by most of them, esso, stanvac, & the like belive the incolite, montreallite & vancolite were of this, could be wrong, also the usnavy recond several of them under emergency measures to redo them as jeep carriers in the early 40's, based on their fuel capability & speed in relationship to single shafted t3's.

jimmys
24th July 2008, 09:08
I saw HMS Vanguard the big gun battleship go to Faslane for breaking in 1960. They broke a lot of warships there. People around the Clydeside went down the river to see her she was a John Brown's ship. We sailed down.

regards
jimmys

Ghost
9th August 2008, 23:16
Re Able Ships:
Correct Designation should be T3-S2-A1

T3-S2-A1 (All became Fleet Oilers and several were converted to Escort Carriers CVE):

* 553 feet long overall
* 75 foot beam
* 32 foot draft
* 11,335 Gross tons
* 24,830 Loaded displacement tons
* 4 Steam turbines geared to twin shafts
* 13,500 shaft horsepower
* Speed 18 knots
* Capacity: 146,000 barrels

Caloosahatchee, T3-S2-A1 Ashtabula class, completed as AO 98 USN
Canisteo, T3-S2-A1 Ashtabula class, completed as AO 99 USN

JohnBP
25th March 2009, 01:37
Jimmys, I lived in Glasgow, my parents had a holiday home in Port Partick, every time we went down there was at least one ship being broken up. I seem to remember an aircraft carrier that took almost a year to disappear. You could go into the yard and buy artifacts, all gone now.

chadburn
25th March 2009, 07:21
Jimmys, I lived in Glasgow, my parents had a holiday home in Port Partick, every time we went down there was at least one ship being broken up. I seem to remember an aircraft carrier that took almost a year to disappear. You could go into the yard and buy artifacts, all gone now.

It would appear that Able may be planning to do the same, as I understand that after the Asbestos has been removed other items are being removed from the vessels for possible " refurbishment/further use" and I am sure that other artifacts will be among them bearing in mind the interest that has been generated in these vessels. Look out for Marine Sales in the "Barbary Coast" area. Anybody fancy a nice Gun Turret off the French Carrier as a backgate guardian?, that will keep the scroats of your property(Thumb)

JonHare
14th November 2009, 21:02
Cutting is well and truely underway now. The whole back end of the Caloosahatchee has gone. I think it may only take 2 weeks or just over to completely dismantle her.

Ships in the dock for scrapping are:

MARAD ships Caloosahatchee, Canisteo, Canopus & Compass Island
FRENCH ship ex Clemenceau
UK ships Viking Vulcan, WD Tyne, WD Clyde? & up on high ground in the yard is a RNLI Lifeboat, which was damaged after being blown off its moorings and smashed against rocks. I think this lifeboat is for scrapping, or it could be waiting to be repaired depending on the Insurance outcome.

I hope to get some pics within the next week and hope to have them online soon as possible.

JonHare
14th November 2009, 21:37
Here are some shots of Able UK's TERRC facility.

A shot of the ships as the basin nears completion ready for draining.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_july_2009_35.html

A view from Seal Sands looking across towards TERRC at Graythorp.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/june-_july_2009_45.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_10.html

Clemenceau arriving.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_31.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_33.html

Shots of the yard from the road that runs past.
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_34.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_35.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/jan-_april_2009_36.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/sept-_dec_2008_30.html
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/html/sept-_dec_2008_87.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/2975129669/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/3263832141/

Able UK Ship Recycling the beginning of the saga in 2003.
Canisteo arriving on the Tees.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/2976082074/


There are various more shots can be found on my following sites.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31848041@N08/
http://www.jhphotos.co.uk/

I think I may reactivate a whole album dedicated to the TERRC/ Able UK operations on my JH Photos site.

hippo-dave
27th January 2010, 08:10
It's certainly going to be an interesting place Keith a bit like the old days when they were scrapping the Reserve Fleet which were held in various ports (Hartlepool included) around the country, despite what the "greenies" want people to assume this scrapping facility is not in Hartlepool itself only within that Councils juristriction and next door to a NUCLEAR POWER STATION which has had numerous breakdowns on it's reactor cooling system since it was built!!! I am hoping that someone will be able (no it's not a pun) to tell me what are the names of the two partially complete Fleet Refuellers that are partof this Contract.

Possible answer to the rumour see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Kaiser_class_oiler#Construction_Program

chadburn
27th January 2010, 18:05
hippo -dave, yes, they are the pair of vessel's concerned (Isherwood& Eckford) and they are double-hulled. Able's plans were? to complete them for possible further use by the RFA

cunamara
27th January 2010, 18:21
I remember when the film "A night to remember" was being filmed in the Gairloch. One of Roy Ritchie's boats, 'Westering Home"was there as a guard boat, from there we watched the extras with their lifejackets on jumping from the poop of a ship which had been trimmed to appear to be sinking. As far as I remember most of the extras were from the Singer Sewing Machine factory at Clydebank