25th October 2007, 18:26
I am "translating" a WW2 service record for a lady whose father was a Stoker (Y) in 1941, became a Leading Stoker (Y), Stoker PO (Y) and later changed to Stoker PO (P) in 1946. Actually, the sub-specialisation Y shows as +Y or "dagger"Y.
Does anyone know what the Y and P stand for? I am guessing at P for Petrol engines but the Y has me completely flumoxed.
28th October 2007, 04:49
Alick. There might be a possibility that this Stoker, could have been part of the Y Scheme, therefore, men who were signed up from the Merchant Navy into the Royal Navy on the Y Scheme agreement, to serve for the period of Hostilities only. He may have then decided to sign on after the war's end and became Regular Navy.
28th October 2007, 11:15
Yes Pete, I do believe that your answer for the 'Y' ratings is correct - they carried their Merchant Navy wage agreements with them
28th October 2007, 16:46
Many thanks, Pete and Ted.
However, I don't think this applies to this man. He entered the RN in January 1937 at the age of 20 from being employed as a coal filler in a colliery.
He got himself into serious trouble with violence against a superior officer and went to prison in 1940, so I doubt that he would have been considered as officer material at that point, anyway.
In March 1942 he was confirmed in the rate of Leading Stoker and the (+Y) suddenly appears after Leading Stoker. The + is actually more a "dagger" than a plus. By this time he was part of HMS QUEBEC (TLC'Q), which was the Combined Operations unit in Scotland so he probably worked on Landing Craft, which may be a link to his specialisation. He stayed with Combined Ops, moving to the short-term HMS DINOSAUR and later to HMS COPRA until the end of hostilities. These were apparently stone frigates which administered Combined Ops.
In October 1946 the (Y+) changed to (P). The only thing I can relate (P) to is a petrol or diesel (ICE) specialisation. I think that the only ones who were around at that time are thin on the ground now but I live in hopes that someone may know the answer.