Engineering Branch Rn

al1934
25th October 2007, 18:26
I am "translating" a WW2 service record for a lady whose father was a Stoker (Y) in 1941, became a Leading Stoker (Y), Stoker PO (Y) and later changed to Stoker PO (P) in 1946. Actually, the sub-specialisation Y shows as +Y or "dagger"Y.

Does anyone know what the Y and P stand for? I am guessing at P for Petrol engines but the Y has me completely flumoxed.

Pete Legg
28th October 2007, 04:49
Alick. There might be a possibility that this Stoker, could have been part of the Y Scheme, therefore, men who were signed up from the Merchant Navy into the Royal Navy on the Y Scheme agreement, to serve for the period of Hostilities only. He may have then decided to sign on after the war's end and became Regular Navy.

Regards. Pete

Ted Else
28th October 2007, 11:15
Yes Pete, I do believe that your answer for the 'Y' ratings is correct - they carried their Merchant Navy wage agreements with them

al1934
28th October 2007, 16:46
Many thanks, Pete and Ted.

However, I don't think this applies to this man. He entered the RN in January 1937 at the age of 20 from being employed as a coal filler in a colliery.

He got himself into serious trouble with violence against a superior officer and went to prison in 1940, so I doubt that he would have been considered as officer material at that point, anyway.

In March 1942 he was confirmed in the rate of Leading Stoker and the (+Y) suddenly appears after Leading Stoker. The + is actually more a "dagger" than a plus. By this time he was part of HMS QUEBEC (TLC'Q), which was the Combined Operations unit in Scotland so he probably worked on Landing Craft, which may be a link to his specialisation. He stayed with Combined Ops, moving to the short-term HMS DINOSAUR and later to HMS COPRA until the end of hostilities. These were apparently stone frigates which administered Combined Ops.

In October 1946 the (Y+) changed to (P). The only thing I can relate (P) to is a petrol or diesel (ICE) specialisation. I think that the only ones who were around at that time are thin on the ground now but I live in hopes that someone may know the answer.