I.D. wanted, please.

Philthechill
15th January 2008, 08:38
I've posted a photo in the "Life on Board" section of t'Gallery, labelled "Christmas Day 1966". One of the people on the picture I've labelled as being George Symmonds but I'm not entirely convinced it is George so could someone confirm/deny it is/isn't him please. Ta q ever so many. Phil(Hippy)

Don A.Macleod
15th January 2008, 12:50
Interesting pic.Phil.It certainly doesn't look like George as I remember him. Your photo certainly could have been Xmas 66 as I joined her in M'bro'. on 7/2/67 exactly three weeks after signing off MANIPUR at Heathrow! Ironically I could have been there as your Elect took ill in Columbo (that would be early Dec.66)and I was to transfer to MAIPURA for the homeward trip (Liverpool instructions!) but Charlie Dickens said no!So I ended up going to China departing Columbo Xmas eve.
However I do recognise Dick and Brian(4th & 5th) on the next epic round trip, signing off in Glasgow (sign off 21/8/67). Max was there and the 2nd was Jim Aitken from Bowling(ex Blu Flu).The "old man" was definitely O.Pritchard.
And that does not look like Paul to me,he looks taller in the pic and also do not recollect Paul as being a smoker.Anyway the MAIPURA did not have a 2nd Elect.She did not even need an Elect! Hence I spent six months at your beck and call (voluntarily of course with Schubs approval)!!
Incidentally Paul was a couple of years senior to me so he wouldn't have been in that rank that year.

Have assumed Phil that we were referring to the MAIPURA as the origin of the pic.Best salaams Don.

Philthechill
16th January 2008, 08:02
Don! Salaams! To be perfectly honest I was a bit doubtful as to that being Paul myself as I'm sure, by 1966, Paul would have been Chief batti-sahib. I must say I hadn't picked-up on the "ciggy" clue!! However this begs the question, if it isn't Paul then who is it as, whoever it is, bears a remarkable resemblance to him! It IS Maipura as it's the only ship I sailed on with Jim Smith! I may give Jim a bell and see if he can throw any light on the matter. My discharge-book had us paying-off January 10th 1967, in Liverpool, so that would have us somewhere in "The Meddy" on Christmas Day. My discharge-book has Owen Pritchard's signature as "Old man" so why would "George Symmonds" be there with four rings on his uniform? Who is the guy speaking to Dick Wylie? I'm sure he was the Chief Sparks but his name eludes me! A plot worthy of Agatha Christy!!!!! I WAS hoping that more people would have had a look, at the picture, and been able to say whether it was George, or not. Your mention of our Chief Leccy being taken ill in Colombo got the grey matter stirred into action and I think he was a stiffish-built bloke called George (his second name forgotten I'm afraid). He was competent enough as an Electrician but he never really "cut the mustard" socially, being a bit of a "loner". Burra salaams! Phil(Hippy) P.S. I posted a photo on "Members Faces" in August last year labelled "Alan Goonarwardener tests his new camera" and Paul Georgeson is on it. Looking at it seems to confirm your doubts about the bloke in this photo being Paul as, in the Mangla photo, Paul's hair looks much thicker than the guy in this piccie! Also, having had another rethink, I'm fairly sure the Mate was "Taff" Roberts and NOT Pete Swift as I put on the photo!!

pilot
16th January 2008, 08:18
Phil. Was George Symmonds Master in '67? Not 100% sure.George could have been Mate at the time and wearing the Master's jacket for the 'photo/joke?

Rgds. Martin.

Philthechill
16th January 2008, 08:28
Martin! Guten morgen! Another "Sleepless-in-Seattle type"? Another facet of this intriguing plot is that I'm fairly certain that the Mate, that trip, was "Taff" Roberts and NOT Pete Swift as I put on the photo, so why would "George" be there? A call to Jim is definitely on the cards now!!! Thanks for the input! Salaams, Phil(Hippy)

R798780
16th January 2008, 13:25
Coastal reliefs ?

Tony Sprigings
16th January 2008, 15:59
The picture of the Master in your photo is that of Owen Pritchard and the man standing next to him looks as if he is wearing red between his stripes and therefore must have been the Second Engineer.It is certainly NOT either George Symmonds or Taff Roberts.

Philthechill
16th January 2008, 16:34
Tony! Salaams! Many ta's for your identifying "Pritch" as the bloke I thought was George Symmonds! I DID think it may have been "Pritch" when I first posted the picture, but on looking at a photo I posted last August, of "Pritch" and Pete Swift "Pritch" didn't seem to have as much hair as the skipper in the "Christmas 1966" photo!!! The guy next to him (on his left) is Jim Smith who was, indeed, 2/E. Jim was from E.D's and was getting his steam time in with Brock's (as you well know one of the few British Companies left, then, still using steam-ships). Thanks again! Phil(Hippy)

Tony Sprigings
16th January 2008, 17:36
Phil,
Glad to have been of service. Salaams,
Tony.

Roger Bentley
16th January 2008, 18:14
Here is a small picture of Peter Swift and his wife Lorainne that he sent us last year, they were sitting at the captain's table on a cruise ship in July last year. Hair loss is apparent. We see the Swifts quite often as we both reside in Harrogate. Small world. Regards, Roger

Tony Sprigings
17th January 2008, 10:41
Roger,
Peter looks well, but a whole lot older than when we last met. Like me, where has all the hair gone?

Don A.Macleod
17th January 2008, 16:45
Phil, the grey cells are getting greyer!!! There is a pic of George Symonds on the bridge of MAHRONDA(the Cunarder, I say with sarcasm probably!) in the Autumn 1973 issue of the Cunarder (if anyone still has it!) Great "old man" was George,had a lot of respect for him.
The lecky on the MAIPURA that time was certainly called George but can't remember his surname as I only met him briefly in Columbo when he was being hospitalised.
Hope you sort out the Paul problem,(who is it?)Salaams Don.l

Derek Roger
17th January 2008, 17:45
Phil ;
I did comment on your posted picture that I doubted it was George ; I agree with Tony it was not as George was still Mate on Mahsud on the maiden voyage in 68 . He was Captain on Markhor in 69 which was probably his first command ; we joined in Calcutta and were relieved in Dakar .
Lecky is Paul I am sure and perhaps was visiting from another ship .

Regards Derek

Philthechill
18th January 2008, 15:07
I spoke to Jim Smith, yesterday, and he has possibly solved the "mystery" of us being in "blues", on Christmas Day whilst not paying-off until 10/1/67 as, given the ten-or-so days it used to take from Port Said to Britain, we would have been in whites on Christmas Day.
There was a distinct possibility we went to a Continental port (Bremen or Bremerhaven) before we paid-off in Liverpool. As he pointed-out (a) the engine-room sky-lights are closed and they certainly would have been open if we were at sea and (b) there's a couple of blokes wearing paper-hats and, if we had been at sea (even at the stately 13 knots "Maipura" used to thunder round the ocean at!) those hats would have been blown off! So it certainly looks as if Jim has come up with an answer. I can't recall ever going to a Continental port before docking in the UK but I suppose it may well have happened. Otherwise why was there such a long between Christamas Day and pay-off on in January? Ho-hum! back to the drawing board!!! Salaams, Phil(Hippy) P.S. No doubt someone will come back with, "Who really cares?"

Don A.Macleod
18th January 2008, 19:47
Phil!I despair of you! This was a trip where you finished discharging on the continentI Our last port of call was Dunkirk (didn't know where we were going after that) after the Messageries Maritime charter,we went everywhere! Went round Africa and down again to Safi after Gib.
Our final port (in ballast)Was Glasgow for signing off.
It was a classic trip as we had a "supercargo"an MM Captain called Serge who kept getting us into trouble,don't know if you were invoved but we ended up buying a nightclub in Iskendrun(Turkey).
Enough said Phil,was a memorabe voyage.Lots of memories of MAIPURA going back to 65(with Murdo and Willie and also Capt.Pem.)
As always ,best salaams Don.

Roger Bentley
18th January 2008, 19:57
Roger,
Peter looks well, but a whole lot older than when we last met. Like me, where has all the hair gone?

Hello Tony, Best wishes for 2008. I have switched my web cam off as I keep frightening myself when I look at what looks like a fugitive from an early horror film! Big Salaams, Roger

Philthechill
22nd January 2008, 08:46
Phil!I despair of you! This was a trip where you finished discharging on the continentI Our last port of call was Dunkirk (didn't know where we were going after that) after the Messageries Maritime charter,we went everywhere! Went round Africa and down again to Safi after Gib.
Our final port (in ballast)Was Glasgow for signing off.
It was a classic trip as we had a "supercargo"an MM Captain called Serge who kept getting us into trouble,don't know if you were invoved but we ended up buying a nightclub in Iskendrun(Turkey).
Enough said Phil,was a memorabe voyage.Lots of memories of MAIPURA going back to 65(with Murdo and Willie and also Capt.Pem.)
As always ,best salaams Don. Don! Without wishing to sound pedantic (he said pedantically) are you certain it was the "Christmas 1966" voyage when Serge was supercargo on "Maipura"? I've just posted a photo of Serge, and his charming wife, on the Life on Board section in The Gallery. The reason I ask about your saying it was THAT voyage, when Serge was with us, is because the date on the back of the photo is Sept 1967. That, of course, proves nothing as I could have delayed getting the photo printed, so you may well be right. I vaguely remember the night-club purchase in Iskenderun but I think I must have been "Day aboard" when it happened and missed-out on this particular episode of that "interesting" voyage!! Salaams! Phil(Hippy)

mcook
29th January 2008, 22:13
Phil, the grey cells are getting greyer!!! There is a pic of George Symonds on the bridge of MAHRONDA(the Cunarder, I say with sarcasm probably!) in the Autumn 1973 issue of the Cunarder (if anyone still has it!) Great "old man" was George,had a lot of respect for him.
The lecky on the MAIPURA that time was certainly called George but can't remember his surname as I only met him briefly in Columbo when he was being hospitalised.
Hope you sort out the Paul problem,(who is it?)Salaams Don.l

As a matter of fact, I do have a copy, or at least most of it. I was the R/O on the Mahronda at the time. It was your's truly who wrote the article regarding the sinking of the Phillipine Leader, although I was a bit miffed when it was published without any acknowledgement.
I also sailed previously with George on the Mahseer which I joined in June, '71 in Tilbury. What a trip that was![=P]

malcolm

John Ringrose
28th May 2008, 13:24
Hi,

only just joined the site but read already of George Symonds. I sailed with him as R/O in the 70's on the Maihar. What a man he was - I have a number of stories to tell whilst he was Old Man - here is one.

We went into the Seychelles and they had just built a new jetty - as we had bow thrusters they allowed us to go alongside, band playing dignitries etc. As we were the first to ever go alongside, a Captains party was thrown. I had my wife with me and was invited. The gang in the officers lounge gave me a hard time about going and Ian Seary the Lekkie gave me numerous vodka & tonics to send me on my way. I got into the old mans cabin and as drinks were free I went on to Gin & tonic - large ones.

Every one went down to the mess including my wife. I was waylayed by Seary in the bar on my way down to yet another "Large One". I proceded down to the mess. There was a large step into the mess on Maihar. I opened the door tripped on the step and landed in the middle of George's table with the special guests on it and was quickly escorted out.

I remember waking up with the sun on me and seeing it was 4 o'clock but at first wasn't sure if it was am or pm - it was pm. Went to the cabin to a wife (long since divorced!) in tears and hysterics. Called to Georges office - were he proceded to give me one of the biggest bollockings ever. But I noticed his lip curling up at the edge - I continued to stand to attention - and then he just burst into laughter - He said in all his years at sea he had never seen or come across anything like it or anything so funny - and proceded to tell me the story from his side. He forgot about it and never went on about it. I got reminded by the wife every time I considered having a drink after that. And then there is the time in New Orleans when Ian Seary the Leckie had to carry George back - but that is another story !!!.

John Ringrose