Life of a 20th century cadet.

ian keyl
19th January 2008, 00:42
On some of the ben boats we carried cadets who were offered positions to be trained up and become qualified to then go back ashore to ther native country and assist the development of their countries government marine depts.

On the ben valla we had a first trip cadet join in Hong kong his name was Ian Godber (nick name---ler) . His father was Chief of police in HK.

Ian had led a great life in HK nightclubing it best of clothes and played a guitar in a local night club band (group). greasing falls and winch wires and lifting 10ton blocks on to your shoulder to carry up the deck was sore on delicate struming fingers.
The other difference Ian had to the other cadets was he had fairly long hair and i mean the the length that he had to keep running his fingers thru it to put it sweepit back on his head .

Now this long black hair needed attention with no weekly visit to Toni's or Vidal sasoon in HK ,no brylcream or vosine he needed to do something .

Homeward bound we introduced him to the hot oil treatment which has to be applied each day and only washed once a week.
This was the thrice daily visit down the hatch climb over the crates of plywood, crates of tamarins thru a passage in the stacks of cartons of HK towels for BHS then all the cartons of Woolworths crap to the tank tops .

Here we carefully stored and cared for the at the correct tempreature the hair oil. (coconut oil ) pulling up the rope with four brass encased thermometers from the depths of the tank thru the ulage sounding hole he wiped his hands on his hair every time . Then he would log the temps in the deep tnak log book . After this he would make his way to the bridge and transfer the temps into the daily brigde log, the old man was Donald Cowie, he caught me three days later on the main deck and asked if i knew what he was doing and i said yes ,we had told him itwas the best thing for his hair in the tropics ,where upon Donald replied I wished to ---- you had told him to get his hair cut instead of making it look pretty. He said if i tell him i will get it in the neck from Capt Robb because he seems to be telling his folks everything that is going on.I replied we have'nt done that many ports for mail to get back to HK . Donald replied his old man has put money on board for him he has five times what you guys have a month and he is sending telegrams home .Donald then said up here for thinking down there for dancing why do you think he was up the road every night in Kobe and every other Japanese port.

Sure enough Ian was ahead of us in some things but plenty short in others ,we did tell him to see the No; 2 painter for a hair cut before arrival in the UK. Ian did not do that but when he found out that the flies in Aden and suez liked his hair he needed OMO and swarfega to get it clean of the coconut oil.

Ian was a good lad and I don't what happened to him if he stayed on with Ben or went back to HK and playing his guitar, If anyone knows what happened to please post it or drop me a line.
Rgds Ian.

sparkie2182
19th January 2008, 00:55
his father was well known indeed.................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fitzroy_Godber


http://thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=11&art_id=19861&sid=8193473&con_type=3

ian keyl
19th January 2008, 01:39
Cheers sparkie very interesting ,hed told us his dad was the Chief of police for the colony not just an area of HK . Then all kids used to brag about thier dads.
Maybe some of the story of ian comes from the news in the papers. at least he kept the sparks in work.
I note you are ex Cunard, i have just ome back from NY and the three Queens were in port together. Well not all along side each nother as the QM 2 was too dep to go on the same peirs as the QE2 and the QV ,i have some photos frpm a heliocoper and launch ,I will try to get them posted if good enough. The QM2 was on a container berth by the governors island.
Cheers. Ian.

trotterdotpom
19th January 2008, 04:27
Corruption in the Hong Kong police! Who'd have thought that?

Common Bros, who managed Kuwait Oil Tankers, had an agreement to place Kuwaiti cadets on their ships. I sailed with one whose claim to fame was being in the Kuwait football team - he was also loaded. Don't tell me there was corruption in the Arab world too!

John T.

doug mac
20th January 2008, 08:21
Did 4 trips with Ian on the Valla. He could really show you a good night out in HK Met him a year or so later when I was on the Stac and he was onthe Gloe in HK. The last time I saw him was when his dad got sentenced or was it extradided at the Old Baily in London as he was running from the media.
Still I liked him he was a little bit dipsy but always good fun.

ian keyl
21st January 2008, 00:05
Hi Doug,
Happy new year to you, I am trying to think who you are and if I sailed with you . I was on the Valla till 8/9/66 just a year and four voyages what was your rank and where you from. It appears you are resident in Canada now as a firefighter .
Rgds Ian.

sparkie2182
21st January 2008, 00:19
hope to see the pics soon ian..............:)

trotterdot will doubtless remember the motto of the hong kong police (of the time)

" the best police force money can buy"

im sure this will no longer apply.

:)

doug mac
21st January 2008, 00:25
Ian, I took your spot on the Valla. I believe we coasted to- gether before you signed off.There was 4 cadets on that(my first coast 23/8/66) You, me,Godber and Taff Groat.
Doug Macrae

EBenarty
21st January 2008, 22:44
Hi,
I am from Orkney and know John Groat (Taff ) well. Last I heard he was working for the Firth of Forth P. A, But I also remember his father on the only sailing bank in the UK , he sailed around the outer isles of Orkney daily

doug mac
22nd January 2008, 01:36
Sailed with Taff a couple of years later on the Macdui. 7 week coast. He was sailing Uncert 3/0, I believe he needed 2-3 months time before writing. Have`t
seen him since. That was a long time ago.
Doug

ian keyl
23rd January 2008, 22:42
Hi Doug,
Iam still trying to remember you ,are you from the islands and were you rather small (sorry I mean smaller than me always known as big yen) did you have curly sandish hair, was Ginger Kite/kyte the other cadet from london. ginger hair and freckles.I apologise if i have it wrong. The person Iam referring to was a first tripper either on the Valla or the Wyvis.
Let me know.

You are correct about Ian Godber knowing the places to party in HK, He knew my cousin who parents had lived in HK for many years ,my cousin went to the same school and class as Ian and she told us a few stories about his hi life . My aunt worked for a HK chart and compass adjusters who had a jewelery business in the Mandarin Hotel on Victoria Isalnd, If iwas working nights and went shopping inthe day time I met my relations and they would take me to the crows nest for lunch at th top of the Mandarin. Was Fraser Walker and Andy Davidson still on th Valla I am trying to think who was 3/0. Was Robin Galloway still C/o ,Shi Shi Yek c/stew,Hang wee dan c/ck, the Valla was the best feeder in Ben . Shi Shi and his afternoon performance of blue movies in his cabin and about every other officer who was off duty, sitting on an upside down bin watching the movies for and hour was hell. At least it was educational.
Lets here your tale Doug bound to have been some whilst you were with Ben.

keep her steady speak soon.

Rgds Ian

doug mac
25th January 2008, 20:29
Ian
You must be thinking of the wrong guy. I wasn`t a big kid, but never had sandy curly hair. Originally from Peterhead. Maybe being my first trip, things a little bit clearer. Certainly some of the future ones are kind of blurred. Age does wonderous things with memory.
Your are right about the crew on the valla. Did 3 trips with c/o Galloway, A perfect gentleman.Saw him a year or so later, (he was,I think marine super) in
Singapore. Never did get invited to the C/stewards cabin. Maybe he thought I was too young for porno movies. Perhaps he was right but that all changed after the first night in Kobe (oh yes, thats why I recall my first trip so well).
The 3rd mate was Donald Sutherland. he also did that initial coast and the same 4 trips with me. Skipper as you know was Donald Cowie. Cannot same enough about him, one of the best. He actually took one trip off and we had J.C Allen, other wise known as Shakey Jakey. Can`t figure how he got that name, always found him to be the opposite. Remember coming into Yokohama, when a Russian ship(not having wright of way) was comming a little close. Jake calmly took over from the pilot and rectified the situation. he was a real stickler for uniforms. Everone on the bridge with caps on entering or leaving port and the mates for and aft. Even as cadets we were not to eat in the engs. mess had to change into uniform for lunch and then back out on deck.
Definately the best feeding ship in the company. None were bad, but the Valla was outstanding.
More stories to come later
Doug

ian keyl
28th January 2008, 10:36
Yes I remember you now it is amasing what time does to your memory ,some things just come out of the woodwork like that in a flash and others have you have to struggle .

Take care and i will speak to you soon, I have just taken lump sums out of my pensions so iam off into town to find best rates of return.

Rgds ian .
keep her steady .

Taleso
28th January 2008, 15:53
Hi Ian,

I must say a very good idea for a starter thread, I remember the name Ian Godper but must admit 'Porridge' and Ronnie Barker first sprung to mind.

He was a young lad then compared with the old lags (us 26 yr olds!) but not adverse to slipping away for a beer at the black squad smokos'. I remember he handled his colonial background very well compared especially, with some of the embassy brats returning to the UK as passengers!

I was 3rd Engineer on the Benvalla Dec '66 through to July '68 and all these names you mention bring back memories of a really happy ship....with air conditioning, spoiled rotten we were!

Maybe the songs I put together may also trigger thoughts of other BL party p--ssups from the past. To quote Peter Simpson from a bogus end of trip report.....'As an engineer he was a good guitar player'....'nuff sed!

'Tales o' Benline' 'Hong Kong' 'Singapore Lilly' 'Oil and the Water' 'Looking over a Wee Hors D'ouvre' 'Bangkok Siam'....there were eighteen in total and I still have the original god awfull recordings somewhere.

Digressing from the thread here, what about Jimmy Angang? Another bright wee guy and built like the original brick......bathroom. His dad was involved in pilotage / harbour master on the Rejang in Borneo and he had relatives who still stayed up river 'Long House' style.

I wonder where he ended up?

Best regards,
Taleso

ian keyl
30th January 2008, 14:10
Good afternoon Taleso,

Yes Jimmy anggang was indeed a hard lad ,I sailed with him on the Benkitlan, if you rwead onr of my threads about haircuts i mention jimmy do his best at cutting hair.
Hi dad was well up in the PWD at Kota Kinablue (Jesselton for those older guys) they had a lovely house which overlooked the harbour from up in this hill side with the mountain behind them.

Jimmy is pilot in Labuan but i have not been able to make contact with him.

Was the wee professional third still on the valla when you were there if i remember he was called Algie. He was a wee scot and a motorman thru and thru. His glasses were always taped up or had cracked lenses.Keep the ben stories going however good or bad they are.

Rgds ian.

Taleso
4th February 2008, 15:58
Hi Ian,

Sure enough read down the threads and Jimmy was there.

I remember Jimmy on a run up the road in Port Swettenham and we were all pigging out on heaps of steamed prawns and chilli crab. One by one we stopped eating as the noise from wee Jimmy (head down in his bowl) was drowning out the juke box.

He was crunching through shells, heads and tails and swallowing the lot! He looked up at last, went bright scarlet as for a laugh we had all decided to do the same. Only difference was we ended up with teeth like Dracula and the next day a backside that could pebble dash a toilet.

Algie, I don’t remember his name but the repaired glasses come to mind…..need more time to think about it and a rake through my old photographs.

Best regards,
Taleso

ian keyl
17th October 2008, 20:50
Hi Taleso,
The grey matter has got into action and the engineer on the Valla who i called algie in fact was Hadji a wee guy black grey straight hair dit of a stoop and limp was third with Ian Simpson from Thornton Fife.

ian keyl
17th October 2008, 20:54
Did 4 trips with Ian on the Valla. He could really show you a good night out in HK Met him a year or so later when I was on the Stac and he was onthe Gloe in HK. The last time I saw him was when his dad got sentenced or was it extradided at the Old Baily in London as he was running from the media.
Still I liked him he was a little bit dipsy but always good fun.

Hi Doug ,
How are you doing in Canada are you seeing any part of this credit crunch we are having in Europe, Hopefully you are not having too many fires to put out, In your last thread you promised more tales to follow ,well come on lets have them ,the Ben nostalgia is drying up so pump up the Tennants and get into gear my friend give us your tales and that goes for any other ben lads who have gone silent for a while.

Rgds Ian.

forthbridge
18th October 2008, 21:28
Hi Taleso,
The grey matter has got into action and the engineer on the Valla who i called algie in fact was Hadji a wee guy black grey straight hair dit of a stoop and limp was third with Ian Simpson from Thornton Fife.

I remember Hadji. Sailed with him when he was junior on Benlarig in early
1960s
He had been a planter in malaya before he joined Ben Line.
I think he said that the stoop and the limp were the result of being beaten up by malayan terrorists at that time.

celsis
27th October 2008, 10:57
Sailed with Taff a couple of years later on the Macdui. 7 week coast. He was sailing Uncert 3/0, I believe he needed 2-3 months time before writing. Have`t
seen him since. That was a long time ago.
Doug


John Groat occasionally drinks in Sandy Bells in Edinburgh. Don't know what he's doing now.

Also, i remember Ian Simpson very well. He & I fell out one time over bunkering duties when we were on the hook. There was a boat going ashore at 7pm and the bunkers were due at 6.30. He told me I'd probably be needed so to stand by. Needless to say, I wasn't needed and missed the boat! Cue huge arguement on deck!

Anybody remember Barry Friar?

ian keyl
29th October 2008, 02:02
Remembering my self first trip to sea.

Be it your first voyage or coast a hardman emerges straight out of marine college dragging a huge heavy case from the platform in the early hours of the morning at Kings Cross looking for someone or group going to join a BenBoat called the Benavon and possibly you hear a group of scots voices so you tag on and find out they are going your way . You hear them refer to the taxi drivers who are supposed to be there Ginger and Barnie (later in your career to become your savuior on pay off day and you need to be up townfor the last train north barnie and the lads know the quikest route and well before Sat Navs. ).
You arrive on board the ship get some breakfast before the ship becomes alive with all the lads paying off and those signing on . You find a friendly face who says are you the cadet for the coast ,How! did he know you were a cadet ,it must have all the pimples and six hairs on your chin. He tells you to go to a certain cabin and put the other voy cadets on the shake as they were onthe piss last night and will miss signing off, then he tells you to be in the smoke room for nine thirty to sign on.
The days in London West India pass very quick as you get to know the ship learn about the tmes for flags in the morning and sunset. you soon find out about the inside of a bookies as you are the officail runner for the CH/OFF on the coast The Broon Jimmy Browne, His trousers held up by a Ben Line tie threaded thru the loops and knoted at the front. The bookies was a goodtime out out thru the dock gates past the Blue Posts and up East India dock road passed the chinese resturants.

You quickly find out that most of the crew are pemenant coasters who for one reason or another do not go on deep sea voyages any more. Marine Super Capt Ronnie Robb comes down to the ship and sees all the cadets to see how they are and settling in. He was an extra Master gained while he was a cadet as a prisoner of war in the hands of the Japanese in Singapore.
He passed all his exams with papers set by an ex RN Board of Trade examiner.
The ship is preparred to sail for Hull and all points north then across to the continent. We leave London and make our way up to Hull when you are put on the shake by your other collegue who is on watch on the bridge ,Its time for standbye and there iss tea and toast in the mess room.
Tugs appear out of the dark gloom and youwait for the orders to make them fast ,next comes the call for you to change over with your mate and go to the bridge. this you do and you are told to standbye the enginroom telegraph and record all the bouys the mate calls out and each engine movement.
The Pilot is on his way and it has been blowing for a while down you go to the main deck andwith another cadet and SOS who have come from the foscle you prepare the pilot ladder on the port side in the lee and remembering your knots you macke it fast to the deck eyes and not the rails.

the pilot boards and youtake him up to the bridge whilst your two mates struggle to pull up the pilot ladder . you make the pilot a mug of tea and anyone else who wants one then you are shouted at we have a pilot onboard get the flag up ( god it is still dark ).

The old man is Tich Wilson (from the North east) and you are crapping yourself as he keeps coming over to look in the movement book, you are struggling to hear the engine movements shouted by the pilot on the opposite wing of the bridge and you have a gale blowing thru the crack in the door behind you. he runs his finger down all the recordings in the book and the times then looks a the wheel house clock,you wonder what is going thru his mind. As we come up to the locks the tugsare struggling to pull her round against the wind and to keep her straight. Tich houts to the pilot keep her up lasttme here we hit the knuckle and i had a lot of explaing to do in Edinburgh.

We get inside the dock and we tie up and ring finished with engines FWE.
The CH/OFF tells you to go down and give the bosun a hand to put out the gangway then see the mate as to what you are doing.
Still in your Blues you pull on the handy billie to lift the gangway out of it crutches then tip it on its side and lower to the quay.

You then race off up to the saloon to get some breakfast, you just have time for coffee and cereals and a bit of toast when the other cadet comes in and says the bosun wants you to go aft to slacken the lines as there is going to be a pontoon put between the ship and quay for discharging into barges . You go quickly as the bosun is the beast Willie Brown and he will find you if you are not there.

Once this is done you do a quick change into your working gear and make a dash for the mess room hoping to get anoth drink and possible a bacon sarnie.

The steward in the mess room says what are you doing here you were in the saloon for your brekke. being the hardman you are and of the most lowly group on the ship you make your stand " i want a bacon sarnie please " to which he shrugs his shoulders and waltzs off to the pantry. You down the second try at breakfast and go with your other two collegues looking for the mate. He is in his cabin with the 2/0 and the various dock foreman . The mate shouts go with willie and set up the derricks for inside and overside.
We had steamed from London with the sticks up so it was just acase of plumming them. We had timber ,bags of cocoa ,elipie nuts ,palm oil, latex and mannioc meal in bulk in the lower holds and also manganese ore and chrome.

Bye this time you have done five hours work and the mate appears and gives you various tasks like collecting up the dunnage/cargo seperation nets and to go into the lower holds to collect the sugar clothes which were over the mannioc meal in the hatch squares which were there to keep it clean from debris falling thru out east.

Bye lunch time you are knackered you have a great kedgeree and your are then told to go with the other two cadets and scrub the wheel house and clean it up as there are photographers coming in the morning to take pictures of Abu Baker who is one of your collegues from Port Swettenham ,the Malaysian High Commission are doing an article on him in Lloyds List and the papers out east.

At smoko the ate comes up to the bridge as says to youcan you cook and make breakfast ,yes i was a scout ,to which the reply came that means nothing. Ok you go and get your kip you are working nights with me, we are on at six.

At six i appear with my working gear and ask the mate what are we doing , we are puming out the latex tonight and a tank of palm oilso you will have to be on your toes. Arrow Bulk appeard on thequay witha stream of tankers to take the latex away to Ossett and Scunthorpe and the palm oil to Manchester. Breakfast time came and i went to the mess room to see what the 2nd steward had left the mates ,it was still secure and the engineers had'nt touched it. The mate told me how he liked is eggs and bacon and to my surprise he said it was great.
He then told me that in half an hour i was to go down the two latex tanks and make sure the strum boxes ate clear sot the engineers can ballast the tanks and to pick out any quagulations of latex that might be there otherwise they will block the pumps.

I had at various times of the night been in and around the tank lids and looked down into the swirling latex and my eyes would fill with tears straight away as i could stand it for long, the ammonia was so strong.

This mate so far i ahve not mentioned his name but it was Eric Dodds a big bloke and pretty hard himself known to have picked cadets up off thier feet. I said to himmust i go down into the tank can i have a mask like the puddlers fromthe shore gang have . The explisits were there in number what are you lad a wimp or a hardman from Aberdeen ,well sir every time i look into the tank my eyes just stream with tears, never mind your eyes lad if you have a cold it will be cure when you come out of the tank.

I did my duty and came out hardly abel to see how i climbed out of the tank on the slippery waxcovered rungs of the ladder i do not know.

With running up and down into the engine room after that as there was no walkie talkies my eyes soon cleared in the warm dry air .

The moral of this story was the mate made me what Iam and to be fair to him he gave me a couple of beers when we came off duty and said you have done a good nights work .

From there on it was a learning curve ,up the road in Antwerp pissed out of your mind and the next day doing cargo seperations on bagged Ammonia sulphate but with such a head ache that the dockers built a hole round you whilst you slept the hang over off. You wished you never had gone up the road with the mates and wondered why they did'nt feel the way you did.

Each port and day was different but it was all the most pleasurable career in life. In Bangkok with a drunk Orkadian Taff Groat in the mossie ,Taff was on the Cruachan and another cadet from London name i cannot remember.

Off watch .

Rgds Ian.

Waighty
31st May 2011, 19:42
I knew Ian Godber briefly in Hong Kong when we were at school and met him at School of Nav (London) when doing 2nd Mates, his Dad beginning his long haul to justice at the time.

Sailed with Jimmy Anggang on Benvannoch. He was a walking dynamo! Watched him demolish an ex cargo packing crate (6'x4'x4' approx) with hands and feet using a lot of martial arts moves. Good cabaret.

Worked with John Groat at Forth Ports, we were both Assistant Harbour Masters and VTS Ops at Grangemouth control centre (covering the Forth and Tay), likewise Dave Keillor who I hadn't seen since 1966 when we were cadets on Avonbank in Liverpool during the NUS strike.

Waighty
20th August 2011, 15:54
Hi,
I am from Orkney and know John Groat (Taff ) well. Last I heard he was working for the Firth of Forth P. A, But I also remember his father on the only sailing bank in the UK , he sailed around the outer isles of Orkney daily

I worked with John at Forth Ports until I left 2004. He's retired now and I saw him at Chez Jules followed by Sandy Bells a couple of months back; he's still a good laugh!

Keith Park
15th September 2011, 18:01
I was at school in in Hong Kong with Ian Godber. We knew each other in the 5th form. After "O" levels I went back to UK and joined Ben Line. Oct 1965 joined Bengloe as 1st trip cadet on the coast. Dad took me on board in full uniform and after his told me not to piss in my sink, he left me to it. That's when I met the bosun. Another story... I was told to get out of the uniform and go sweep the fore deck. Oh what joy!! At 16 and sweeping the deck of a real ship. Truly heaven and now well on my way in a career I wanted. Soon I will be a captain. After the coast, crew change and off we went to China. Wow. Been there before, brought up there infact with Ian Godber. My Dad was in government and Ians Dad in the HK police. We had been to Ians house a few times for dinner but I dont remember it much. Ian was into playing his guitar a lot. I had no interest. I think he has a group called the ...no its gone. They were OK. Played at the school dooos and so on. A few outside gigs too. Anyway as the story goes...On the bridge leaving London as a young sweet 16 year old I asked the old man, Gibby Neyesmith sic if I was allowed to smoke on the bridge. Well everyone else was so why not me. Little did I know what I could do and not do. No son he said, not until you become one of my officers. Fair enough, I should not be smoking at 16 anyway. (I was 56 when I quit) The story however was "Oh are you the one who asked Gibby for a light on the bridge."
Loved it!!! Oh yes, Godber. I was on leave after that trip and was in Brighton visiting a friend, Charlie Hulse. His Dad was Assistant Director of Marine in HK at the time, anyway we bumped into the Gobler who was looking for a job. I told him what I was doing and the next thing he is on the Benvalla. Blow me, us Hong Kong kids were popular. I think Ben line had visions for us but wasn't sure what. We were very colonial and a bit stuck up having been brought up at private schools in HK or Scotland, our lives were spoild by wash, cook and makee learn maids in our homes to do all we asked. I suppose my parents had a great time. It took a while to get there but managed a 3/Off job on the Benrinnes and lost contact with Ian. Last I heard he was on supply ships on west coast Africa with a HT masters. I wrote to him a few years ago in Goole but ne reply. I think he wanted to cut the tail of his previous life in HK. He was very embarrassed over the whole thing with his Dad. Corruption or the Chinese tea money was common in HK as it is all over Asia. Ian's Dad was not alone, nor was he the worst. He was the one who was made an example of. HK now has the Independent Commission Against Corruption, ICAC, and has a huge multi story building of 20 floors all to themselves. There must be lots of corruption in HK. Ian's Dad was a small player.
That's it about Ian. He was OK. A bit doolally but a good laugh. If you ever read this Ian, I'm on your side buddy. I did a coast with him..I think.
For anyone interested, I now make museum quality ship models and sell them on. You can get me on keith@classicshipmodels.co.uk www.classicshipmodels.co.uk
Keith Park

sparkie2182
15th September 2011, 18:58
I reckon his job as Chief of Police made him "Worst", Keith.

Paul Barford
16th September 2011, 20:51
John Groat occasionally drinks in Sandy Bells in Edinburgh. Don't know what he's doing now.

Also, i remember Ian Simpson very well. He & I fell out one time over bunkering duties when we were on the hook. There was a boat going ashore at 7pm and the bunkers were due at 6.30. He told me I'd probably be needed so to stand by. Needless to say, I wasn't needed and missed the boat! Cue huge arguement on deck!

Anybody remember Barry Friar?

Ian Simpson, I worked and travelled with to Atlantic II back in 1978, he remained there until retirement and lives in Hull. not seen him for years but me wife has seen his (Rosie)
Barry Friar I coasted with on the 'Reoch or Lomond in 1975~6 but never heard of him any more

tam fairweather
17th September 2011, 09:14
Barry passed away around ten years ago,he was living in Thailand at the time
Tam

Paul Barford
17th September 2011, 13:39
Sad to hear that Tam, but hope he went down enjoying himself.(Pint)