Two RNR vessels 1917

treeve
22nd January 2008, 23:29
I am researching the loss of the 7 Dutch ships in 1917 off Bishop Rock.
Although the Menado was towed into Falmouth the day after the attack,
I see a reference on NA to two claims made by RNR officers & crew.

Lieutenant Commander John Whittow Williams, Royal Navy Reserve, and the oficers and crew of Q 11

Skipper Alfred Walter Barrett, Royal Naval Reserve, and the officers and crew of Cambria

So, what I would please like to know, is what were Q 11 and Cambria,
assuming they were based at Falmouth and attended the scene off
the Isles of Scilly in February 1917. I will eventually see the documents
but in the meantime it would be helpful to know what these vessels were.
I have no records so far as to any other involvement than a chance tow the
next morning by a patrol vessel.

Three pages so far at
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~treevecwll/wnormanna.htm

Best Wishes, Raymond

treeve
23rd January 2008, 00:36
I have found also the Log books of the Q-ship Q.11 on the NA.

Fiesty Fay
23rd January 2008, 01:16
I am researching the loss of the 7 Dutch ships in 1917 off Bishop Rock.
Although the Menado was towed into Falmouth the day after the attack,
I see a reference on NA to two claims made by RNR officers & crew.

Lieutenant Commander John Whittow Williams, Royal Navy Reserve, and the oficers and crew of Q 11

Skipper Alfred Walter Barrett, Royal Naval Reserve, and the officers and crew of Cambria

So, what I would please like to know, is what were Q 11 and Cambria,
assuming they were based at Falmouth and attended the scene off
the Isles of Scilly in February 1917. I will eventually see the documents
but in the meantime it would be helpful to know what these vessels were.
I have no records so far as to any other involvement than a chance tow the
next morning by a patrol vessel.

Three pages so far at
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~treevecwll/wnormanna.htm

Best Wishes, Raymond
I have had a quick look Raymond for the Cambria, the only reference to this as a ship is an armed steamer that became a hospital ship after 1915. HMS Cambria is also a land training base for the navy. Don't know if this is the one you are looking for


regards

Fay

treeve
23rd January 2008, 01:19
Hello again,
I have been digging through Toghill and Dittmar/Colledge, wondered if
it was a req trawler ... CAMBRIA lo and behold I find the skipper' name
tallies ...
http://www.llangibby.eclipse.co.uk/milfordtrawlers/accidents%20&%20incidents/cambria.htm
So that is nearly there, I doubt I will find the history of the Q-ship so easy.
Best Wishes, Raymond

treeve
23rd January 2008, 01:28
Thanks Fay for your appreciated efforts. I am trying to jump the gun rather,
but it helps to sort out which questions to ask and what searches to do
the more I have to hand. NA is 300 miles away from me, and it is a bad thing
if I come home and I have a new question afterwards....
Best Wishes, Raymond

mwx2
10th December 2008, 14:45
My Grandfather was Lieutenant Commander John Whittow Williams. I think I have a photograph somewhere of the Q ship you mention. If you have any details you wish to share I would love to know more about him. My father (Peter G. Whittow-Williams, R,N. (retd.)) was also RN but sadly he passed away and I have no way of finding out about him.
Mark Whittow-Williams

Peter4447
10th December 2008, 15:44
Armed Boarding Steamer: CAMBRIA.
Built 1897. 1842 Grt.
3 x 6 Pdr. Service from 8.8.1914 to 17.12.1915.
Became Military Hospital ship and then renamed 'Arvonia' in 1919.

Hired Trawler: CAMBRIA.
Built: 1905. 206 tons. 1-12 Pdr. In service as Minesweeper from 09.1914 until 1919.

Unusual to find two ships serving at the same time with the same name.

Peter4447(Thumb)

Steve Woodward
10th December 2008, 15:48
Thats her Peter - just looking the data up she was an Irish Sea ferry on the Holyhead- Dublin route, unfortunately no images

Steve Woodward
10th December 2008, 16:23
Q ships, or to give them there proper title, Submarine decoy vessels, came from all walks of life, some were colliers, some coasters, sailing vessels and some warships.
All featured one aim, lure a submarine to the surface then sink it by means of hidden guns, as submarines got wary of merchant ships more desparate measures were taken, Q ships were packed with wood to keep them afloat and then deliberately allowed the submarine to torpedo them, the 'drammatical crew' would then abandon ship, hoping that as the ship did not sink the submarine would surface to sink the harmless derelict.
As the sub drew close to finish off the derelict hidden guns would spring up on special mounts, deck house would collape and the white ensign was hoisted as the sub was engaged,
very ruisky work.
back to Q11,
Q11 was HMS Tamarisk - a search on her, or the Aubretia class , should reveal an Image. the aubretia Q ships were heavily disguised to cover their not very war like images, this was not always successful as they had slim military hulls so they had to avoid the sub getting a head or stern view.
tamarisk details : built by Lobnitz and Company at Renfrew Scotland, in 1916
L 267'09" B 33'06" draft 12'06" Disp 1,250 tons standard
machinery : Single screw, 4 cylinder triple expansion steam engine, two Scotch-type boilers, 2,500 ihp 17 knots
armament : two 42 early model guns and a single 3 pounder AA gun
Crew 90 to 95 men
She was scrapped by Freyers of Sunderland in 1922

Steve Woodward
10th December 2008, 17:36
I think THIS (http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20C/slides/Cambria-02.html) is the ship that became the ABV Cambria
Bit more on her HERE ( http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/SSCambria.html)

Steve