Riverdance Incident - Blackpool

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Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 20:15
Just heard Liverpool putting out a call for ALL vessels to assist the Riverdance in trouble en- Route to Heysham.

This is not a Joke

Ian

Santos
31st January 2008, 20:32
Current AIS shows :-

Name: Riverdance
MMSI: 308912000 [BS]
IMO: 7635361
Callsign: C6CG3
Speed/Dir: 2.5 kts / 182 S
Status : Moored
Dest: Hey, Wpt, Hey

Not many ships around. There is a Tug supply ship Clwyd Supporter some 12 nautical miles south of her heading towards her and it appears that Riverdance has altered course towards her but is only doing 2.5 knots. Clywd Supporter is doing 5.8 knots. There is also two RoRos, Merchant Brilliant and Arrow some 14 NM North East of Riverdance but they dont appear to be moving at the moment. Wind speed in area is approx 56kph - Storm 10.

Riverdance approx 10 nautical miles west of Fleetwood. Lytham St Annes Lifeboat Launched at 20.07.

Chris.

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 20:39
Rescue 122 is route from Valley not a nice nite for this to happen, I am also monitoring Hf 4.706 and 123.100

ian

samuel j
31st January 2008, 20:39
Recent LB launches in the north (BST)
31/01/2008
Lytham St Annes - 20:10
31/01/2008
Fleetwood - 20:10

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 20:45
They have also asked for Blackpool Airport to be made ready

ian

Santos
31st January 2008, 20:46
Current AIS shows that Riverdance has increased speed to 5.9 knots and altered course from 182' to 134' she appears to be heading for Heysham again.

Chris.

Santos
31st January 2008, 20:53
Riverdance now 4.9 knots and altered course to 147 '. RoRo Merchant Brilliant closing her and is approx 8 NM north east of her.

Chris

Santos
31st January 2008, 20:55
Riverdance all over the place, now heading 127 at 4.2 knots

Chris

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 20:58
showing 2.8knt @ 123' heading just now

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 20:58
now 5.2knt @ 131

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:00
http://www.aisliverpool.co.uk/showship.php?mmsi=308912000

samuel j
31st January 2008, 21:00
lb1721 you get on air what her problem they way she scooting around looks like engine failure

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:02
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=80973

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:06
Looks like she's drifting down wind I hope they can get a tow line on her ASAP

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:07
Merchant Brilliant and Arrow have reversed course and are heading back to port by the looks of it

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:08
Merchant Brilliant has now turned back, so has Arrow, dont know whats happening looks like Riverdance has got her engines going again, ifg thats what it was and is now doing 7.7 knots and is headed South towards Liverpool.

cambria49
31st January 2008, 21:08
No sign of any mention across news services - hope this isn't too serious (sounds as if it might be), a friend of mine is one of her Masters.

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 21:09
No idea on the cause All I got was L'pool requesting all Vessels to assist.Merchant Brilliant and Arrow just been told to stand down by L'pool

ian

samuel j
31st January 2008, 21:11
"Merchant Brilliant and Arrow just been told to stand down by L'pool" Thats positive news

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:14
She's still showing 1.2knts 127 heading on AISLiverpool

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:17
Now down to 1.2 knots heading 127' very strange, dont know where she is going now, she is not even head to wind and hove to, as wind direction is Westerly Storm 10 -- Merchant Brilliant and Arrow are still returning towards Heysham away from her.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:18
Sounds like they might have been stood down due to the extreme weather , Hope to god they get the engines going ASAP

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 21:21
Rescue 122 from Valley almost on seen est 5 min and Rescue 177 also en-route

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:22
BBC News24 stating 24 passengers and crew being airlifted off her just now

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:23
Looks like she may be turning north, for Heysham steering 080' speed 3.7 knots

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:24
Sky news stating 23 passengers and crew to be airlifted by Military SAR

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:25
Tanker Steersman has now turned head to wind to dodge into the storm by the looks of it

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:26
Cargo has shifted, she is listing 60' according to latest news

samuel j
31st January 2008, 21:28
Oh dear god...... fingers and all parts crossed they get all off

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:31
Wind speed where she is, just recorded as 61kph westerly, bordering on Severe Storm 11 - my thoughts are with everyone out there tonight.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:32
First Helicopters on scene , 70knot wind , 23 passengers all together wearing lifejackets ship listing to 45' plus

Craig Antlet
31st January 2008, 21:35
Hope that all are now safe - it was beginning to sound like another "Princess Victoria".

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:36
It was January 31st in the 1950's that the big storm flooded Norfolk......

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:37
All ships in the area seem to be hove to or sheltering accept for Highland Sprite a standby safety vessel which is doing 9.2 knots towards Riverdance but is still some 13 miles away.

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 21:39
I can confirm Rescue 122 has started to Evac people on board

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:40
Statement from company : Hit by freak wave at 2000hrs which shifted cargo. 4 passengers only which will be lifted along with non-essential crew , sounds like they want to try and save her but I hope they get the hell off her ASAP

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 21:40
Hope that they get off safely and that no harm comes to anyone.

Keep us posted you guys out there with rradio and scanners set to the various frequencies.

Jonty

viksund
31st January 2008, 21:43
you are all better reporters than than at sky news. hope it all ends well


callum

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:46
Highland Sprite now approx 9 nm away and still doing 9.2 knots, what a star.

Pic at http://www.gulfmark.com/control101/uploads/Highland%20Sprite%20Brochure.pdf

looks pretty powerful to me.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:47
Holyhead Coastguard : 60' list , 3 Helicopters on scene 1 more on way , Lytham and Fleetwood RNLI Lifeboats on Scene , 7m waves Storm 10 winds

( BBC News24 interview )

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 21:52
Just seen that Davie - got it live on the net now on the BBC 24 hour website. Sounds like the conditions are pretty bad out there.

Once again, the rescue services are out doing what they do best. Here's hoping that the situation turns out well - and that 'Highland Sprite'? A ship that size in these seas - bless 'em.

Jonty

Santos
31st January 2008, 21:55
If somebody dosnt get a line on her soon, she will be ashore as she is only approx 3 nm off shore and in these 70 knot winds she is drifting at 3 knots, that puts her aground before midnight.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 21:56
SKY News : Fleetwood Lifeboat ( or Lytham reporter wasn't clear ) attempting to take people off if Helicopter lift considered too dangerous. Skipper has 3 engineers up ready to evac along with the 4 passengers

viksund
31st January 2008, 22:01
would that ferry have one of that marinac evacuation chutes?


callum

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:03
List reduced to 23' Master requests ALL crew airlifted ( SKY News interview )

SAR Helicopter having problems getting winchman down to casualty RNLI Lifeboats standing by close incase needed

Santos
31st January 2008, 22:05
Highland Sprite 6nm away and closing, still doing 9+knots, what great guys. Clwyd Supporter turned and heading towards Riverdance but she is 15 nm away. Riverdance pretty close to shore now and I would suggest in shallow water.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:07
Clwyd Supporter 9.4knts 079 heading towards Riverdance

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:11
AISLiverpool has been used by both SKY and the BBC and I can't get it to update looks like server overload...

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:17
4 airlifted so far ( passengers ) crew attempting to restart engines, passengers being taken to Blackpool Airport ( SKY News )

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:17
Highland Sprite has had to turn into the wind by the looks of it , I hope they haven't had any problems

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 22:19
I can refresh here - auto refresh every 2 mins.

No tugs on scene - 'Highland Sprite' does not have a winch - and looks like Kinloss are saying priority is passengers. I hope they get them off before she goes aground.

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:22
AISLiverpool now updating again

Highland Sprite now 2.4knts 291' head
Steersman ( tanker ) 3.9knts 302' head
Clywd Supporter 8knts 099' head

Riverdance 3.8knts 074' head

Mr-Tomcat
31st January 2008, 22:22
Here try this. http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1303531,00.html?&lid=NEWS_TAB_PASSENGERS_STRANDED_ON_FERRY&lpos=TAB_CONTENT


Andy.

Santos
31st January 2008, 22:26
Highland Sprite has hove to approx 7 nm from Riverdance which is now about 1.5nm offshore, expect she will be aground soon - obviously priority being given to rescue of crew and passengers prior to any salvage attempt.

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 22:28
Eight lifted recue 122 heading for Blackpool

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:28
At current speed she will be ashore within the hour , god speed the SAR crews

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 22:28
Davie,

I put her at just over a mile off the coast via AIS. Anyone know what it is like there? What are the chances of them getting all taken off before she grounds?

Would love to have a live feed via a shortwave radio and a VHF scanner at times like these.

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:33
SKY News : RAF Rescue 122 has 8 on way to Blackpool ( 8 total ) another 4 to come off leaving 11 onboard , 2 gen sets on and working

Santos
31st January 2008, 22:33
Cant be far off Cleveleys I would think. North of Blackpool. Most large flat beaches, pretty shallow water. If she grounds, should be OK as long as she is not driven to far in.

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 22:35
AIS shows her as stopped now and her position has changed to be right angles to the coast. It's snady that way isn't it? Shallow?

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:36
If she grounds I hope its head to wind that way she'll stay upright

samuel j
31st January 2008, 22:38
See below, she between 5m and 2m contours

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:40
She must be ashore , BBC News24 says 1/4nm off the shore just now

Santos
31st January 2008, 22:41
Think she is aground now - must be nasty in that surf hope she is high side to weather.

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 22:41
Her darught is shown as 4.6m. Like Davie says, hope she is head to wind.....it will probably be all helo's now as the surf is likely to be breaking hight in there. Not a religious man but I'm praying for all.

OD

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:45
AIS just updated 3.2knots course 065 so still moving just now

samuel j
31st January 2008, 22:47
Looks aground

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:48
Only 8 so far John 15 left onboard at this time

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 22:55
News 24 report the RNLI as saying she will 'be washed ashore shortly'.

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 22:55
AISLiverpool showing all stop so confirming John earlier reading ( which is the more accurate one ) , just about got everything crossed that they all get off ok , the weather is poor enough up here in the NE of Scotland and its twice as bad where they are just now

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 23:01
first eight back at Blackpool, rescue 122 refueling and back out rescue 177 trying to establish winch cable, from a pall at Blackpool says "all seem shaken but not stirred"

His words not mine

Ian

samuel j
31st January 2008, 23:02
Any updates on those onboard and of course the lifeboats, they must be taking a hammering, god love them

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:03
SKY : 8 confirmed airlifted , vessel aground , RAF SAR Helo attempting to lift another 4 just now

Santos
31st January 2008, 23:04
She has gone ashore at low tide, could help the rescuers but could be a lot more difficult for them - high surf, very shallow water, if she is stable then, safer aboard than trying to get into a lifeboat.

BUT
could prove problematic if the winds persist as they are forecast to do. She could be driven further ashore on the rising tide.

I think now she has grounded she will be safer and what remains of the crew could be better off staying aboard till daylight.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:06
RN Rescue 177 currently lifting men off

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 23:07
Santos,

No way! Get them off! Ships like her have a relatively high freeboard and a shallow draught. In a breaking surf, with the weather against her, it would be prudent to abandon. If she is ashore, one good wave could push her, complicating the cargo situation - and it would not take long for her to lose her centre of gravity - complicating the issue a lot more.

As Sam J says, God love 'em.

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:11
Rescue 177 has now got 6 onboard on way to Blackpool Airport 9 crew left onboard ( SKY News )

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 23:11
rescue 116 just talking to Riverdance and 9 people are staying on board, Rescue 177 just landed at Blackpool

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:12
SKY reporting that she's ashore near to the North Pier at Blackpool

Wee John
31st January 2008, 23:13
Merchant Brilliant my old ship. Remember the Dancer well My thoughts and prayers for the crew

samuel j
31st January 2008, 23:14
Just a final pos update

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:17
Thanks for the update John , far better info than I could get(Thumb)

Santos
31st January 2008, 23:18
Jonty,

9 staying aboard, they obviously think things will be OK aboard. They are on scene so know what they are facing. As I said before could be a wise decision, only problem is the next tide and the strength of the wind. Bad tomorrow but better Saturday, only time will tell.

Chris.

cambria49
31st January 2008, 23:18
Damn - I'm hoping my friend (Master) went off on Wednesday, but feel for whoever the old man is.

SN NewsCaster
31st January 2008, 23:20
Passengers and crew are being airlifted from a ferry in the Irish Sea after sailing into bad weather.

More from BBC News... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/news/int/search/news%2Bsport/ship/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7221237.stm)

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:21
She's between Norbreck and Clevleys

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 23:22
The clwyd supporter and Highland sprite have just been told that they can stand down by Liverpool C'guard

samuel j
31st January 2008, 23:25
Anyone hearing how the lads and lassies on the Lifeboats are doing out there...must be gut churning

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 23:26
Santos.

Hopefully they will be advised as to the best option by the On Scene Commander. I'd be inclined to get off personally as the inshore forecast is Wind West veering northwest gale 8 or severe gale 9, perhaps storm 10 at times, decreasing 6 or 7 later. Sea state Rough or very rough.

She is lying, according to AIS at least, with her stern to the wind direction so she may be OK in that position now but if it prevails Westerly, it becomes more or less beam on - that's the most dangerous time for them.

All we can doi is speculate - but whatever happens, let's hope they remain safe.

Jonty

Fiesty Fay
31st January 2008, 23:29
Lets hope everything goes well for those left on board trying to save the ship, my thoughts are with them and the brave rescuers battling in the rough weather to make sure everyone is going to be safe.

Fay

David Wilcockson
31st January 2008, 23:29
BBC News 24 have just had a rep from RAF Kinross (? apologies if wrong) on, 9 people to still be evacuated, & vessel aground between Norbreck Hydro & Clevleys. I live 40` south on the coast & it`s blowing a hooligan still.
David

Santos
31st January 2008, 23:32
Jonty

I am sure they will get the best advice possible, it all depends on how she has grounded as to how stable she is and of course how far she is off the high water mark. I cant see her being blown over, its a sandy bottom so she should be quite stable now. Lets hope she rides out the next day or so and then they can get her off.



Chris.

Lifeboat1721
31st January 2008, 23:34
rescue 122 has been asked by Liverpool to stay on the ground at Blackpool, The Lifeboats are Still There.

Peter4447
31st January 2008, 23:39
Gents
Although our thoughts and prayers must be with those still onboard and with those who have and are involved in the rescue operations, may I just thank you for the superb way in which you have kept us updated this evening.
Many, many thanks
Peter4447

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 23:42
Peter,

Thank's for that.

I think it comes under the heading of 'For those in peril....' and as many of us are ex seamen and ex RNLI, the interest we show is one of concern for our fellow seafarers.

There, but for the Grace of God.....

Jonty

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:46
I'm just glad I managed to keep AISLiverpool going and flick between SKY and BBC News on the satellite. Fingers crossed that the remaining men get off her ASAP before the wind veers to the North tomorrow.

nhp651
31st January 2008, 23:47
I'll go down in the morning and have a look at the scene, if that's not too imposing and report back. the wind is dropping slightly at the moment but still a lot of airborn activity that can be seen from my upper windos towards Norbreck.

cambria49
31st January 2008, 23:47
I second that Peter - I have a real interest in the ship and appreciate the minute by minute account.

Gavin Gait
31st January 2008, 23:54
They will attempt to refloat at 0600hrs tomorrow a high tide , she is on Shell Flat bank

DICK SLOAN
31st January 2008, 23:55
Yes thank you all, and lets all hope this weather debates quickly, and everybody is safe.

ddraigmor
31st January 2008, 23:58
That's good news - sounds like they have evaluated she is able to be pulled off. Probably a Liverpool tug?

Any photos would be appreciated.

Here's hoping they have a good night and that the morning brings them all hope.

Jonty

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 00:01
rescue 116 is also returning to Blackpool to refuel and will also stay over nite with 122, rescue 177 is now on its way back to Prestwick.

Looks like every thing is winding down, Liverpool has just suggested to Lytham and Fleetwood L'boat to Stand down, as they would most likely be needed in the morning.

Ian

Gavin Gait
1st February 2008, 00:04
Looks like the situation is stable with her then Ian , they wouldn't have stood down Rescue 177 and the 2 Lifeboats otherwise. Not going to be a nice night onboard for the crew and I hope they get her off ok in the morning.

At this point I would like to thank everyone else who has contributed to this thread , well done

Davie

Gavin Gait
1st February 2008, 00:10
Just put the position into GoogleMaps , Red marks the spot ( well as close as I can get )

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 00:19
like you say Davie it has gone Very quite up here apart from the Wind,

Looks like Both Lifeboats are heading for Fleetwood and Liverpool are asking if Lytham crew need picking up or are you staying over?? I could not here the reply.

So I am going t shut my radio's down and get some sleep

regards to all Ian

Gavin Gait
1st February 2008, 00:21
Thanks for the very valuable input Ian, sleep well and we can hope she's back afloat in the morning

Hawkeye
1st February 2008, 01:12
would that ferry have one of that marinac evacuation chutes?


callum

No, she won't have an evacuation chute. She is a freighter that can carry only 12 passengers, so she donsn't need one. One of her sisters has been used to test a chute system when in Larne. This is the European Mariner, sailing for P&O.

SN NewsCaster
1st February 2008, 05:50
A roll-on roll-off ferry which ran into trouble in high winds in the Irish Sea runs aground at Blackpool.

More from BBC News... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/news/int/search/news%2Bsport/ship/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7221386.stm)

andysk
1st February 2008, 07:07
Thanks one and all for keeping us all informed so well last night.

It's ironic that the obituary was published yesterday of Rear Admiral Mack McArdle, on HMS CONTEST who was awarded the GM for his part in the rescue of survivors from the PRINCESS VICTORIA in the same area - on Jan 31st 1953.

See yesterday's Daily Telegraph - I'll post the link later this morning.

See : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=H2B5Y23ZETAFTQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQ WIV0?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2008/01/31/db3101.xml

(you may have to do a cut & paste of that URL due to it's length)

ddraigmor
1st February 2008, 08:26
Thankfully, there were no casualties and once again I ask all members of the site, whether serving or ex seafarers or just interested parties to be proud of the fact that our SAR services once again showed how professional they can be.

Also, to be reminded that the crews of the RNLI, who were outy in that same storm and supported by their shore crews, are all volunteers.

Jonty

nhp651
1st February 2008, 09:25
if any one is viewing, I have posted some shots of her high and almost dry in the gallery under Ferries.neil.

lilguy43uk
1st February 2008, 09:42
The ferry Riverdance is reported ashore at Anchorsholme, Blackpool after being knocked down by a freak wave and losing her engines.

The trawler Spinningdale is ashore at St Kilda and the crew are being airlifted off.

wigger
1st February 2008, 09:46
It may be nothing but some film on the Skynews website shows her starboard side. The quality is not great but it looks like some bad damage on and below the waterline. Having said that I can't make out if its just be a dark patch on the hull.

sparkie2182
1st February 2008, 09:56
a great result..........

well done r.a.f.........r.n.....m.n......h.m.c.g......r.n.l. i.......irish coastguard and all the anonymous people who helped save the situation.

for me.....this incident was also the "Finest Hour" of Ships Nostalgia ...........
and my thanks go to all who kept the site up to date, and offered opinions and views based on experience.

the evacuation of the trawler "spinningdale" is taking place now off St. Kilda, and we hope for a similar outcome.

thanks to all concerned......

sparki3 2182

cambria49
1st February 2008, 09:59
I think that might just be heat of the engine room through the thermal imaging camera.

It may be nothing but some film on the Skynews website shows her starboard side. The quality is not great but it looks like some bad damage on and below the waterline. Having said that I can't make out if its just be a dark patch on the hull.

Gavin Gait
1st February 2008, 10:06
The Spinningdale FD24 has been successfully reached by SAR Helicopters and ALL 14 of her crew are on there way to the mainland.

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20012

^^ kjm ( Kev Munros ) photo of the Spinningdale.

From the film i've seen this morning of the Riverdance it was a very close run thing for her. As has been said all ready this must go down as a text box rescue for the co-operation between all of the different agencies and the RNLI well done everyone

Davie

Peter4447
1st February 2008, 10:09
Well said Sparkie
And let us also remember the crews of the 'Merchant Brilliant' 'Arrow' 'Clywd Supporter' and 'Highland Sprite' who sought to help their fellow seafarers in distress.
Peter4447(Thumb)

Sister Eleff
1st February 2008, 10:16
Well done to all concerned and especially to those of you who have given us second by second updates - thank you to the Ships Nostalgia Reporting Team.

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 10:19
Riverdance,All radio transmissions stopped approx 12.30 last Night that was when I shut down, I have heard nothing this Morning apart from rescue 122 being re tasked to another job.

Ian

wigger
1st February 2008, 10:31
Thanks Cambria, it was puzzling me because I couldn't see how that much damage could have occured.

Just to echo Sparkie2182's comments. After I saw the headline appear on the BBC site last night I flicked back to SN to see if anybody had more details. I was deeply impressed with what I read as the posts came in, (as I was with the MSC Napoli incident, but that took a bit longer to develop). Thanks to everybody who contributed.

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 10:41
Riverdance, Pictures from the scene,

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=79422709

This link came from a Mate of mine

Ian

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 10:46
this link has been passed to me by a mate of mine

She looks in a bad way

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=79422709

Ian

ruud
1st February 2008, 12:06
Ahoy,
Well after this extreme voyage,here she is the "Lady" in calm Irish waters,taken on the 7th of June 2005.
Well done lads!

paul0510
1st February 2008, 12:51
More than glad to hear of another successful rescue attempt. Great work, lads!
I was somewhat taken aback when I first saw the pictures as I thought it was one of my old ships (see avatar). Rickmers built quite a few of these in the late 70s, two of which upon I sailed as Mate in the North Sea trade and even now after 30 years of heavy duty are still going strong as 'Anglian Way' and 'Flanders Way'. Get this one off the beach and she'll be fit for another ten!!

nhp651
1st February 2008, 15:17
The Riverdance rescue was a babtism of Fire for the Coxs'n of Fleetwood's Tyne.
He only took over as cox after the old cox, Chris Hurst retired just before Christmas.
Very well done to him and all the emergency services/

OLD STRAWBERRY
1st February 2008, 15:18
But at the end of the day should She have sailed?. I'm sure that all the shipping forecasts were giving strong wind warnings?. Wasn't there a case of a ferry going down with all hands back in the fifties after sailing from Stranraer.

andysk
1st February 2008, 15:47
But at the end of the day should She have sailed?. I'm sure that all the shipping forecasts were giving strong wind warnings?. Wasn't there a case of a ferry going down with all hands back in the fifties after sailing from Stranraer.

See my last post (#109) - she was the Princess Victoria in 1953, and on the same day as well - 31 Jan.

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 16:21
Hi folks,

What kind of ships would you expect to come to assist in salvage (H)

And if so what names should I keep an eye out for on Ais ??

Sky news are saying tomorrow or Sunday but for a firm from Holland I would have thought it would take a bit longer to get here..

regards Ian

ddraigmor
1st February 2008, 16:55
She probably needs a survey done to ascertain the damage. Providing that is OK - and the insureres are happy - then they will probably start work by sorting out the fuel, clearing the cargo and getting her upright. How will they do that? Hopefully via ballast but if she's badly stuck, they might have to use winches from the shore side (as she is canted over to starboard and seaward).

What sort of ships? Environmental vessels to begin with I would imagine. A tug to tow a boom around her to contauin any spills, so a shallow draughted vessel. Whose? Again, hard to say.

If the Dutch get involved they will probably bring all the kit they need in on a submersible barge......

Oh and maybe a dredger to cut a channel to sea if she is in that shallow a depth. I did hear the tide is likely to bring a couple of extra metres in over the night so possibly they might just try with a tug and see where that gets them - but I don't know the lay out of the banks and so forth so that is wild speculation.

Any advances?

Jonty

Santos
1st February 2008, 18:45
Just about said it all Jonty.

Get the cargo and unessentials off her to lighten her, dig a channel and pull her out.

Sounds dead easy I know, but it probably wont be.

I am sure they will be wanting to get her off pretty quick, so once the weather changes I would probably be looking for some kind of support ship / rig to survey the scene and plan a seaward escape route and of course depending on the state of the beach, land based cranes and equipment capable of getting her cargo off.

She is a sturdy little ship and looks to be relativly undamaged. I would be concerned with the list though. The engines bearers and mountings will be taking some strain and the soonest that is resolved the better for her. I think she will be salvaged and probably back in service by the summer.

Chris(Thumb)

SN NewsCaster
1st February 2008, 18:50
Attempts to salvage a ferry which ran aground off the Blackpool coast may take another two to three days, Liverpool coastguard warns.

More from BBC News... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/news/int/search/news%2Bsport/ship/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/7223048.stm)

Lifeboat1721
1st February 2008, 18:58
Thanks guys,

As soon as they start I will have to jump on a bus and get to Blackpool, Could be an interesting day out.(Cloud) (Cloud)

Ian

benjidog
1st February 2008, 19:47
I took this around 2pm this afternoon from the clifftop overlooking the scene. It was extremely windy and difficult to walk there.

With continuing winds and the incoming tide can we not expect her to be washed up even higher than she is now?

Brian

Richard Green
1st February 2008, 20:00
Just got winnd of this on the news this morning, if you'll all pardon the language. I've just read through the posts and it makes a really nail biting story. I'm very gald to see that everyone got off OK. Well done the crews who went out in that lot!

I suppose that the only one who will be pleased by all of this is Albert Rambottom. You know..... the one with the stick wi the 'orse's 'ed 'andle......R

nhp651
1st February 2008, 20:14
quite probable, Brian, as it is forcast for force 10 north westerlies, late saturday, sunday, and if the photos are viewed carefully she has no anchors left to drop to stop any further settling higher up the beach.
I know it's pesimistic, but I remember a much smaller pipe laying rig vessel being washed up on this beach ( not 200 yards further north) in the early 80's, much lighter and no cargo.
she was dismantled where she lay.
I don't think this ship is going anywhere but the breakers ( excuse the punn, not intended)
The problem with this area as Brian knows coming from St. Annes, we have a very shallow out reach to the beach before sufficient deeper water is found, even at high tide, and even shallow draught tugs just don't have the purchase power on their screws of deep water, inshore to be able to make sufficient pull.
Sure they can sail in it, but drag a ship of that size off, I doubt it?

Santos
1st February 2008, 20:27
Sure they can sail in it, but drag a ship of that size off, I doubt it?

Oh yee of little faith (Jester)

I obviously stand to be proved wrong but I think she will get off. The underwriters may feel differently and make it financially difficult for the owners and salvagers, in which case she could be broken up where she lays, but I doubt that the local council will be impressed with that, an environmental disaster waiting to happen. Loads of nasty chemicals etc invading their pleasure beaches and nasty wagons rolling through the town with all this cut up bits of steel sticking out. Would'nt do the old Leisure Trade much good.

No they will get her off, I am sure.

Chris.

DMA
1st February 2008, 20:35
Blackpool being my old home town.almost looks like it could be at the bottom of the street I lived on....

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Dramatic-airlift-from-stricken-ferry.3734540.jp

samuel j
1st February 2008, 21:11
Maritime & Coastguard Agency


Press Notice No: Duty 1
Friday, February 01, 2008
Posted 20:55 GMT

SALVAGE MEETING HELD TO DISCUSS PLANS FOR RIVERDANCE REMOVAL

Discussions have begun regarding plans for the salvage of Riverdance, the ro-ro ferry which is currently stranded off the north shore near Blackpool.

The Secretary of States Representative for Salvage and Intervention (SOSREP) has met with salvors from Smit, who have been appointed to undertake the operation to remove the ship.

A Salvage Control Unit has been established and the first meeting of it was held earlier this evening. The salvors made an initial assessment of the vessel this afternoon, but due to weather conditions were unable to board the vessel itself. A temporary exclusion zone of 400 metres has been set up around the vessel.

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency is working closely with its colleagues within the Police and other emergency services as well as local authorities, owners and insurers of the vessel to ensure a smooth and safe resolution to this incident.

Coastguards are advising members of the public who plan to visit the site of the grounding this weekend to view it from a safe distance on the promenade and not to venture down onto the beach. An area will be cordoned off for heavy plant and Police and Coastguards will be patrolling the area throughout tonight and the weekend. All goods onboard the ferry are of low value and there is no hazardous cargo onboard. Any cargo which is washed up onshore will remain the property of the owners and will be collected from the beach and returned to them.

Tomorrow salvors will carry out further assessments and will present SOSREP with salvage plans. A surveillance aircraft overflew the site at lunchtime today and no pollution was reported from the ship.

samuel j
1st February 2008, 21:18
Some more footage online : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b1_1201869533

K urgess
1st February 2008, 21:20
That's one hell of an angle.
Isn't there a danger that if any more of those lorries shift internally or externally, the wind drops or the tide works the sand out from under her, that she'll fall over on to her side?

Santos
1st February 2008, 21:39
I would think Kris, that a priority will be to try and straighten her, this will obviously reduce the stresses on her and also reduce the risk of her tilting further.

Its funny really, not all big lorries carry heavy loads as you would expect them to. I once had to deal with a large artic similar to the ones on Riverdance that had been involved in an accident. It was fully loaded and I said to the driver, we will need a pretty big tow wagon to shift you wont we. No, he replied a normal one will do. But you are fully loaded, I said, Yes I know he said, but its a full load of Kellogs Cornflakes.

Chris.

cambria49
1st February 2008, 22:36
Lloyd's are reporting she could be there for two or three days and that the remaining crew have been taken off now. Seatruck has signed Lloyd's open form salvage contract.

nhp651
1st February 2008, 22:37
DMA. it's at the top of the road called Anchorsholme Lane(very apt really), Cleveleys.anywhere near?

cambria49
2nd February 2008, 04:07
I don't think you can make that judgement, do you?


But at the end of the day should She have sailed?. I'm sure that all the shipping forecasts were giving strong wind warnings?. Wasn't there a case of a ferry going down with all hands back in the fifties after sailing from Stranraer.

Lifeboat1721
2nd February 2008, 15:07
Other vessels sailed to and from Heysham that day,, I had my rigs running and there was no sign of Any problems, He had already spoken to Heysham and requested that they book a tug for the usual time(Cloud)

Ian

Santos
2nd February 2008, 15:10
I have just heard on the grapevine that a tug MULTRATUG 7 is being linked to the possible recovery of RIVERDANCE. This is not confirmed and may just be a rumour at this moment. MULTRATUG 7 was in Mounts Bay last night, but I cannot find her now.

Pic of her at

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/tugandtow2/M/Multratug_7.html


Chris

Lifeboat1721
2nd February 2008, 15:32
Cheers Santos, I will keep an eye on AIS and an ear to my rigs, then I may have to jump on a bus 2 Blackpool.(Thumb)

Ian

Santos
2nd February 2008, 15:55
Latest Press Ass Report 1100hrs 02.02.08 :-

Coastguards say there will be no bid today to refloat a stricken ferry that ran aground off Blackpool.

A spokesman for Liverpool Coastguard said: "I don't think anything is going to happen until they get a salvage team on board to assess the vessel's condition. I don't think anything will happen today."

A spokesman for Seatruck Ltd., which owns the Riverdance ferry, said: "Two heavy trucks of salvage equipment are arriving from Rotterdam.

"The salvage master and his team are making an inspection from the shore this morning. Their intention is to board the ship. That may happen today."

Cossack
2nd February 2008, 16:41
They talked about removing the fuel first. Does anyone know if this would be done from land or sea.

nhp651
2nd February 2008, 16:56
just been on the local news that inspectors boarded her this morning by helo drop and inspected her. there is no damage to the hull at the moment and are hoping to remove all bunker oils over the next few days, 180 tonnes. they also said that the process will take "weeks" rather than days as first hoped.

samuel j
2nd February 2008, 17:13
Ferry sheds thousands of biscuits

Other cargo washed ashore includes timber
Thousands of packets of chocolate biscuits have washed up on the Lancashire shore from a stricken ferry.
The McVitie's biscuits were being carried on lorries aboard the Riverdance, which ran aground off north shore near Blackpool on Thursday night


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7223811.stm

nhp651
2nd February 2008, 17:58
it's sods law, John, that in the south of England they can grab such things as brand new BMW motorcycles from a wreck.
and what do we northeners get, b****y mcvities rich tea biscuits and wet grow bags!!!???
always knew we were the poor sodding relations. Just ain't fair.

samuel j
2nd February 2008, 18:45
Pre-dunked with extra natural sea salt... could be new product developement for McVitie.....if they take there....(Jester)

Lifeboat1721
2nd February 2008, 18:50
Pre-dunked with extra natural sea salt... could be new product developement for McVitie.....if they take there....(Jester)

I think I feel sick[=P] [=P]

Santos
2nd February 2008, 19:30
Pre dunked in radiated isotopes more like - Sellafield is just around the corner from her - they would certainly make you glow - (Smoke)

Coastie
2nd February 2008, 19:33
Pre dunked in radiated isotopes more like - Sellafield is just around the corner from her - they would certainly make you glow - (Smoke)


Who'd need Readybrek with them in your system!!(Jester)

Santos
2nd February 2008, 20:41
The rumour that MULTRATUG 7 was to assist in the recovery of Riverdance now appears to be just that, a rumour. Smit have been confirmed as the salvagers and I would think that any tug etc concerned in the recovery will be one of Smits own vessels.

So eyes skinned chaps on AIS, when it returns, to see whats headed the Riverdance way, could be interesting, very interesting.

You never know, they may be asking for volunteers with buckets and spades - me me me (Jester)

Chris.

nhp651
2nd February 2008, 21:22
you can sleep in my workshop for the duration , Chris,I won't charge the earth.get ready brek for breakfast, and lamb from 3 eyed fell sheep?!
so long as you don't mind being surrounded by smelly glues and model boats!!
only five minutes down the road from the beach for an early start???

DICK SLOAN
2nd February 2008, 21:27
Doe's anybody want to swap one of my non running BMW motorbikes for 10,000 packets of McVities biscuits and 1000 grow bags.

Santos
2nd February 2008, 21:33
Thanks Neil, much appreciated, I will go out to the garage and renew the handle on my spade, just in case I get called. My little bucket has still got beach scenes on it, although its a bit rusty now and I think I still have some little flags on sticks.

Dick, I think I will pass on that my NSU Quickly is still going thank goodness.

Chris.

Santos
2nd February 2008, 22:06
Breaking News Police have issued this picture of Blackpool Beach and are asking for information regarding a missing Irish Sea Ferry - a spokesperson said, " We are seeking two men with Liverpool accents who were seen acting suspiciously on the beach just before dark. "

nhp651
2nd February 2008, 22:07
yes please , anything's better than soggy rich tea!
Oh, now come on Santos, DON'T infuriate the happylads on this site, they don't need any excuse to moan.lol.

ddraigmor
2nd February 2008, 22:14
Smits eh? Well, they'll get her off right enough. If you are going to look at salvage, then the Dutch are world leaders with a prooud history.

I say that as a fan of Smits - but also with a touch of regret that as a seafaring nation we have not got the pedigree they have.

BTW, nothing wrong with salty tea.......

Jonty

Santos
2nd February 2008, 22:44
Im one of them Neil - jokes on me as well, its the ridiculousness of it thats funny

Gulpers
2nd February 2008, 23:15
The rumour that MULTRATUG 7 was to assist in the recovery of Riverdance now appears to be just that, a rumour. Smit have been confirmed as the salvagers and I would think that any tug etc concerned in the recovery will be one of Smits own vessels.

So eyes skinned chaps on AIS, when it returns, to see whats headed the Riverdance way, could be interesting, very interesting.

You never know, they may be asking for volunteers with buckets and spades - me me me (Jester)

Chris.

Multratug 7 passed Holyhead, northbound for Barrow about 022100 UTC Feb.

Santos
2nd February 2008, 23:20
Oops then I could be right after all

ddraigmor
2nd February 2008, 23:48
No, The MCA website via Whitehall says that Smits got the contract. Having said that, they could have chartered the Multratug for the initial work.

Jonty

Hawkeye
3rd February 2008, 00:58
you can sleep in my workshop for the duration , Chris,I won't charge the earth.get ready brek for breakfast, and lamb from 3 eyed fell sheep?!
so long as you don't mind being surrounded by smelly glues and model boats!!
only five minutes down the road from the beach for an early start???

And don't forget the Mcvities

Bison
3rd February 2008, 07:44
Is it true the special offer next week.from Aldii's, is Chocolate Biscuits

Regards Bison

Could have been Lidls

Gulpers
3rd February 2008, 08:34
Multratug 7 passed Holyhead, northbound for Barrow about 022100 UTC Feb.

If MULTRATUG 7 is indeed going to be involved with the salvage attempt, she is currently sheltering off Red Wharf Bay, Anglesey.
AIS still shows her ETA for Barrow as 011500Z Feb!

nhp651
3rd February 2008, 14:06
Bison, who prophetic your comment.
Went into Aldi this morning, at Fleetwood and the Mc Vities choc digestive ARE ON OFFER at 49p a packet.
They are even sitting on the same type blue pallets that are, at the moment, strewn along Cleveleys beach.
There were numerous people scavenging amongst the flotsam and walking off the beach with armfulls of biscuits but not a b****y grow bag or BMW motorcycle to be seen.
How many packets would you like, I can undercut Aldi by about 10p a packet!

Sadly on a more serious note, she has, overnight, settled far more now to starboard, and the only activity was a rib containing 3/4 guys suited up and looking very closely at her hull. Pictures in the gallery.
No tugs to be seen anywhere. neil.

RayJordandpo
3rd February 2008, 14:22
Doe's anybody want to swap one of my non running BMW motorbikes for 10,000 packets of McVities biscuits and 1000 grow bags.

Now that's really taking the biscuit!

benjidog
3rd February 2008, 14:30
Looking at Neil's photos posted from lunchtime today (see Gallery) Riverdance must surely be reaching the point of no return. Today the winds are not quite so strong but bad enough.

Judging by the angle she has reached, the next incoming tide can only make things worse. Presumably much of the cargo has now moved to one side. If there is now no chance of pulling her to safety, there should be an attempt made as soon as possible to remove the bunker oil and this is hopefully topmost in people's minds. It is not clear if there are vehicles on board or just trailers, but if so they will contribute more oil.

I think that this is going to be rather messy!

Brian

UmbornePirate
3rd February 2008, 14:34
.......
Sadly on a more serious note, she has, overnight, settled far more now to starboard, and the only activity was a rib containing 3/4 guys suited up and looking very closely at her hull. Pictures in the gallery.
No tugs to be seen anywhere. neil.

Neil

Many thanks for posting the interesting photos. I suspect she is fairly well settled and stable and could be there for quite a while. If this is the case, and obviously we would all hope it isn't, but if she stays for a while the problem of getting her off will be exacerbated by further listing caused by scouring of the sand.

The movement this would cause might be slow but we can watch for it if you, and any other local residents, can help with a series of photos over the forthcoming days taken from the same critical spot. That spot, which virtually eliminates all perspective errors, is the position on the shore where you are absolutely dead astern of the hull (foremast aligned with the centre of the rear ramp). Your third photo here (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/101030) is a perfect example, and shows a list of 52.5 degrees.

You do not get such a spectacular newsworthy picture from this critical spot so I do not expect many from the press and public from there, but a series as described would contribute greatly to member's awareness of the seriousness and likely outcome of this developing incident. I will be happy to contribute with the analysis if the data is forthcoming.

Many thanks

Pirate

nhp651
3rd February 2008, 14:52
no problem with that , pirate,I pass the spot daily on my way for a swim ( not in the tide thankfully) so will take some shots and post.
As for tracter units, Brian, there were two on the top deck and as far as I am aware more under decks.as you say quite messy!

Lifeboat1721
3rd February 2008, 15:00
For ALL you Scanner enthusiasts, Seatruck Private freq 169.250.

can be interesting (Cloud) (Cloud)

Ian

UmbornePirate
3rd February 2008, 15:04
no problem with that , pirate,I pass the spot daily on my way for a swim ( not in the tide thankfully) so will take some shots and post.
As for tracter units, Brian, there were two on the top deck and as far as I am aware more under decks.as you say quite messy!

Thanks Neil, - and if you mark/note the spot on the promenade where you take the photo we will get early notice of lateral movement if your spot starts to move.

All this learnt the hard way as you cannot easily get the same accurate data where the MSC Napoli is beached.

Thanks again.

Pirate

UmbornePirate
3rd February 2008, 15:36
Neil
............Your third photo here (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/101030) is a perfect example, and shows a list of 52.5 degrees.

You do not get such a spectacular newsworthy picture from this critical spot so I do not expect many from the press and public from there, .......
Pirate

A quick look at the 1000 or so photos already on the web reveals only one useful one here (http://flickr.com/photos/14414244@N04/2237605452/sizes/l/), but it shows the list was only 41 degrees at 10:48 on 2 Feb.

This story has some way to run.

Pirate

nhp651
3rd February 2008, 15:42
I see what you mean, Pirate.will go down tomorrow.
cheers,neil.

Lifeboat1721
3rd February 2008, 20:01
I see from AIS that Multarug 7 is in Morecambe bay and Cefas Endeavour (Fisheries Survey) is not far away from The Riverdance, I also notice that the Riverdance AIS has been Dissabled, I would have thought that they would have left it on(H)

Ian

Santos
3rd February 2008, 20:07
She is still showing on the AIS Traffic Chart of the North Irish Sea albeit at 1729hrs but with todays date. So there must be some kind of power there.

Chris.

Lifeboat1721
3rd February 2008, 20:22
She is still showing on the AIS Traffic Chart of the North Irish Sea albeit at 1729hrs but with todays date. So there must be some kind of power there.

Chris.
Cheers Chris,

The salvos must have Dissabled it this aft it was working at 1500, The Multarug 7 has shut down for the nite, I am also keeping my eye on the Mersey Mammouth, If she starts to head towards the Riverdance I think I'll have to jump on a bus to Blackpool.

Ian

Ron Stringer
3rd February 2008, 20:32
Cheers Chris,

The salvos must have Dissabled it this aft it was working at 1500,

Ian

AIS is only a derivative of the common or garden VHF Radiotelephone carried by ships and other vessels. As such it needs a power supply in order to transmit its information. Since it is unlikely that the ship's generators/alternators are still supplying power for the AIS transmitter, the system must have been working from batteries -which I find don't maintain charge for ever. So the AIS will go off-air regardless of any action from the salvors.

UmbornePirate
3rd February 2008, 21:16
A check of the tide table here (http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/Easytide/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0445&PredictionLength=7) shows that if there is any luck on the Riverdance's side it is because she chose well to go aground when she did, just about on Neaps. Over the next week there should be more water each day, with about 2 metres more next Sunday than there is today.

However the increasing list at low water is the obvious downside of the equation. Fingers crossed she doesn't roll to the point where the water on a rising tide gets over the bulwarks before she lifts.

I think it could be a close run thing and the salvors need a good break in the weather and bureaucracy to get on quickly. Lets hope we don't see excessive concern about winning the battle to remove every last drop of fuel at the expense of losing the war to remove her. If she's not off by springs she may be there a while.

Pirate.

shiford
4th February 2008, 08:08
Riverdance is showing again on the AIS this morning; I'll be down there later and will post any pics. (Thumb)

Lifeboat1721
4th February 2008, 13:03
Riverdance is showing again on the AIS this morning; I'll be down there later and will post any pics. (Thumb)

Cheers Shiford,

She is not showing now 1300hrs and I was glad that I started the thread off and I am glad all are ok, But now from the bits of info I keep hearing I hope she dose not Roll any further.

Ian

nhp651
4th February 2008, 15:11
sadly she's settled a little further overnight.
the sand is relatively soft where she is, and with the rough weather continuing, it's scouring it away from under her.

UmbornePirate
4th February 2008, 15:40
sadly she's settled a little further overnight.
the sand is relatively soft where she is, and with the rough weather continuing, it's scouring it away from under her.

Neil

Thanks for posting your photo of the position at 1030 this mornng. It shows she has settled over a further two and a half degrees since your previous photo.

It also shows clearly the extent of starboard deck edge immersion near todays high tide. The depth over chart datum should have been 7.0 metres when you took todays photo and she does not appear to be showing any signs of lifting with the tide. By next Monday 11th high tide will be higher still at 9.2 metres which will immerse some of the vehicles. The deck cargo and the hull as a whole is coming very vulnerable to damage in a north westerly blow a couple of hours either side of high water.

Many thanks for the photos, keep up the good work.

Pirate

shiford
4th February 2008, 16:36
I've just posted a photo of Riverdance, taken at 15.25 today from the requested vantage point, in the 'Shipping Accidents' gallery.

UmbornePirate
4th February 2008, 17:18
I've just posted a photo of Riverdance, taken at 15.25 today from the requested vantage point, in the 'Shipping Accidents' gallery.

Shiford

Thanks for this excellent photo, and I agree with you, standing under the hull in this condition is not very wise.

However, this photo shows less list than Neil's photo near high tide this morning which, together with a report that she appeared to be moving a little when hit by waves at high tide, suggests that so far the sand is firm and there is little scouring as yet. Hence at low tide the position appears perhaps a little more stable than I suggested earlier - I still wouldn't stand underneath her though.(EEK)

Nevertheless stability at high tide remains delicate.

Thanks again

Pirate

Santos
4th February 2008, 19:09
MCA PRESS RELEASE 04.02.08 1853hrs.

SALVAGE OF STRANDED RO-RO FERRY MAKING GOOD PROGRESS

The salvage of the vessel Riverdance which is stranded on north shore, near Blackpool, has made steady progress today. A crane and other equipment will arrive from York tomorrow. An aerial surveillance flight was carried out by the MCA counter pollution aircraft this afternoon and was able to confirm that the vessel remains in position on the sands and that there is no pollution.

The plan will now be to lift equipment onto the ship and then begin work on stabilizing the vessel and lessening its list in order that a safe working platform can be made. Fuel oils will then be removed in order to prepare the ship ready for its removal from the beach.

Members of the public are requested to stay outside the exclusion zone placed around the vessel, Riverdance, for their own safety. There is a zone of 400 metres around the vessel and those who cross into it may by liable to prosecution and a hefty fine.


Posted By: Joanne Groenenberg



For further details contact:
The Maritime & Coastguard Agency Press Office
023 8032 9401

shiford
5th February 2008, 08:21
Don't know if anyone has seen this photo - very interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northwesttonight/content/image_galleries/010208_riverdance_gallery.shtml?1

benjidog
5th February 2008, 08:53
Don't know if anyone has seen this photo - very interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northwesttonight/content/image_galleries/010208_riverdance_gallery.shtml?1

That is a truly amazing photo! It looks like some kind of weird balancing act.

Brian

nhp651
5th February 2008, 08:57
and believe it or not, Brian, there are pratts that are walking around underneath it, and the POLICE/COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICERS are LETTING THEM.
so much for a 400 metre exclusion zone???

gil mayes
5th February 2008, 09:39
They need to move swiftly or the sands will claim their victim as they have done many times in the past.
Gil. (Sandgrown)

ddraigmor
5th February 2008, 11:32
I can't believe they are walking underneath it - and being allowed to - but the one comforting fact is that the weight distribution on her starboard side will keep her at that angle.....

That's the throry.

Having said that, you would not get me walking under neath.....

Jonty

shiford
5th February 2008, 12:29
Seems the Police have red faces regarding the people walking under the ship yesterday - I can say for certain that, although there were several officers by the ship when I was there, they didn't make any appeals for people to move away.........in fact, the officers were standing chatting to people!! There were NO cordons, just thin plastic tape at the top of the slipways, which were NOT policed - as for '50 people', 500 would be more the mark, within the alleged 'exclusion zone'. As bit of face saving spin going on, maybe the Police have hired Alastair Campbell! (EEK)

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Sightseers-risk-lives-walking-under.3743121.jp

RayJordandpo
5th February 2008, 12:55
Jonty.
I'm with you on that one mate! you wouldn't catch me walking underneath that vessel no matter how safe they say it is. I'm truely amazed that the public are allowed anywhere near. I don't know if it was the same with Holyhead Towing but with UTC we carried what was referred to as "beaching wires" very long but relatively lightweight tow wires used in salvage ops for connecting to stranded vessels (they were easier to handle). Often the wire was then transferred to a more powerful tug in deeper water. The old 'Yorkshireman' carried such gear as she was almost flat bottomed and very shallow draughted enabling her to get close to the shore. Of course the 'Riverdance' is too far up the beach now for anything like that gear to be used. On 'Lloydsman' we also carried "ground tackle" which were anchors and large six fold purchase blocks reeved with wire and laid out along the sea bed thus helping the stricken vessel to try and haul herself off whilst being towed by the salvage tug.
Ray Jordan

nhp651
5th February 2008, 13:52
To Unborne Pirate. Haven't been down today(tuesday ) for your daily photo, as my little girl is off school ill with toncilitis, but according to the BBC north west news at 13.30 hours today, she had developed a list of 80 degrees and that the salvage experts were now saying that the priority was to remove all bunker fuels and other hazardous wastes and then possibilities of breaking up in situ?
sad thoughts.

UmbornePirate
5th February 2008, 14:10
To Umborne Pirate. Haven't been down today(tuesday ) for your daily photo, as my little girl is off school ill with toncilitis, but according to the BBC north west news at 13.30 hours today, she had developed a list of 80 degrees and that the salvage experts were now saying that the priority was to remove all bunker fuels and other hazardous wastes and then possibilities of breaking up in situ?
sad thoughts.

Thanks for the news Neil. I was in the middle of writing a few words expressing concern that the earlier BBC photos 1 & 5 (links to follow) clearly showed that she was unhealthily digging her own grave in the sand and that she was at risk of falling into it at high tide. Your message therefore comes as no surprise and suggests that may just be what has happened.

I trust those who walked under her yesterday will now realise the risk they were taking.

In haste

Pirate

shiford
5th February 2008, 14:40
I was down there, very briefly, at high tide (10am) this morning - I didn't take any pics because she looked to be exactly at the same angle, several people standing near me expressed that same thought, surprised that she hadn't listed further. The BBC must have been wearing different specs to me (EEK)

UmbornePirate
5th February 2008, 15:40
As I post this there is some confusion as to whether she has already rolled further to starboard, but what follows assumes she is still listing at about 55 degrees.

They need to move swiftly or the sands will claim their victim as they have done many times in the past.
Gil. (Sandgrown)

I agree. There is now a steady stream of photos being posted by members on this site and on the wider net. A recent one by "a northernman" here (http://flickr.com/photos/16972145@N04/2242226379/sizes/o/) apparently taken at 1746 yesterday evening from a very good position on the fore and aft axis (masts nearly nearly in line) shows a list of 53.5 degrees. A pattern is starting to emerge that as each high tide lifts her she is settling back in a slightly different position 2 or 3 degrees different each time. Is she digging her own grave?

With this in mind the pictures posted here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/northwesttonight/content/image_galleries/010208_riverdance_gallery.shtml?1) and here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/northwesttonight/content/image_galleries/010208_riverdance_gallery.shtml?4) show the extent to which the starboard bilge is already digging into the sand, and this is probably forming a suction that has to be broken as the tides rise.

The current high tide is already more than one metre higher than when she grounded and future high tides until the next springs are:

Tue 5 22:24 8.0m
Wed 6 10:39 8.5m
23:01 8.1m
Thu 7 11:15 8.8m
23:36 8.6m
Fri 8 11:51 9.0m
Sat 9 00:12 8.7m
12:29 9.2m
Sun 10 00:50 8.9m
13:08 9.3m

It is perhaps slightly surprising that the increased water levels have not yet brought her back upright. The MCA statement says that there is no flooding in the engine room or cargo deck. So why did she not come back upright as the tides rose higher and higher each day? It may be that her Centre of Gravity has moved to starboard because there has been some shifting of the cargo on the vehicle deck, a heap of vehicles on the starboard side. Or it may be that the suction from the sand grave is hindering things. Or most probably a bit of both.

The current plan published by the MCA makes mention of adding water ballast on the port side and this will obviously move the C of G to port and may also help roll her to break out of the suction in the hollow that is holding her over to starboard.

Lets hope they can achieve this to get maximum assistance from the rising tides before it is too late and she goes right over. The trailers falling off the starboard side of the deck all help the righting process also, but lets hope the port side ones stay secure for a while.

Thanks to all the locals who are posting photos, keep up the good work as it will help ensure, an accurate story will emerge.

Pirate

UmbornePirate
5th February 2008, 16:02
I was down there, very briefly, at high tide (10am) this morning - I didn't take any pics because she looked to be exactly at the same angle, several people standing near me expressed that same thought, surprised that she hadn't listed further. The BBC must have been wearing different specs to me (EEK)

It would seem the BBC story of an 80 degree list is a false alarm. The clip it came from is here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7220000/newsid_7228500/7228571.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1) and it is not backed up by any of the pictures in the footage. BBC suggestions of breaking it up in situ are therefore two stages up the doom ladder and with luck stage one, as descibed in the post above, may retrieve the situation.

Pirate

benjidog
5th February 2008, 16:16
Nothing like 80 degrees! But you would not expect today's BBC reporters to have a clue about basic geometry would you.

The comments on that clip are nothing more or less than pure speculation. The Beeb has a team camped out there and I guess if there is nothing much going on they go into bullshit overdrive to fill the airtime. (Cloud)

Incidentally this is the most exciting thing that has happened in Cleveleys since Sainsbury's opened a supermarket about 20 years ago. (Jester)

Brian

Gavin Gait
5th February 2008, 16:18
I calculated her list to be around 53 degree's from Neils photo from yesterday

UmbornePirate
5th February 2008, 16:23
I calculated her list to be around 53 degree's from Neils photo from yesterday

Davie. I agree, and you may like to see my comment on his latest photo today, posted in the ferries gallery here (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/101342).
Pirate

Gavin Gait
5th February 2008, 16:31
I used the line of the rib line around the waterline on her quarters to line her up I noticed the mast was about 1.5-2 degrees out of the vertical yesterday even though her side shellplates are still vertical

ddraigmor
5th February 2008, 16:52
Apart from the weather she is a basic salvage job really. It seems the BBC are scaremongering on the basis of sensationalism. After all, when you look at other vessels that have got into similar situations, they were removed with litle fuss.

Wonder what source the journos are getting their info from? Certainly not from here!

Jonty

shiford
5th February 2008, 17:05
First mention of the '80 degrees list' that I can find was in the LEP yesterday morning, 4th Feb. Probably the BBC thought that the local press would know best! :rolleyes:

http://www.lep.co.uk/fleetwood-news/Race-against-time-to-stabilise.3740533.jp

Cossack
5th February 2008, 17:14
Davie. I agree, and you may like to see my comment on his latest photo today, posted in the ferries gallery here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7220000/newsid_7228500/7228571.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1).

Pirate

I think you need to check your link.

Lifeboat1721
5th February 2008, 17:24
Sadly it's not looking good going by the picks,

There is nothing happening much on the "Air waves" a lot of info is now been passed by land line,

One of the best comments I have heard today was from a pair of Raf pilots "we had better not get two close or we may blow it over".

Regards Ian

UmbornePirate
5th February 2008, 17:51
I think you need to check your link.

Thanks Cossack. Correct link inserted in post #206 above

Pirate

shiford
5th February 2008, 20:53
I can't see that anyone else has posted the info below - if they have, apologies!(Thumb)


RIVERDANCE was built as the Mashala in 1977, renamed Halla in 1987, Tikal in 1988 and then Schiaffino in 1989; she operated at first in the Mediterranean and then the Caribbean and in 1993 was operating in the Irish Sea, renamed Sally Eurobridge. In 1994 she was operating in the North Sea under the name Eurobridge, returning to Sally Eurobridge when the charter ended. In 1995-96 she was on charter to Norfolk Lines under the name Eurobridge again, then chartered to Seatruck and renamed Riverdance, being bought outright in 1997.

R831814
5th February 2008, 22:48
Ferry sheds thousands of biscuits

Other cargo washed ashore includes timber
Thousands of packets of chocolate biscuits have washed up on the Lancashire shore from a stricken ferry.
The McVitie's biscuits were being carried on lorries aboard the Riverdance, which ran aground off north shore near Blackpool on Thursday night


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7223811.stm

Does anyone know why she was carrying McVitie's biscuits from Ireland to England when McVities factories are in England/Scotland.
Maybe they came from the crew mess. (Jester)

nhp651
5th February 2008, 23:02
hi density styrene sheets for roofing insulation was coming ashore today, in bundles.
just didn't have the bottle to walk off with it under my arm./better than soggy chocky biscuits, though!

samuel j
5th February 2008, 23:53
Does anyone know why she was carrying McVitie's biscuits from Ireland to England when McVities factories are in England/Scotland.
Maybe they came from the crew mess. (Jester)

Was wondering that too... United Biscuits have a Distribution Centre in Hillsborough but no manufacturing.... not unless they came from Scotland first to Hillsborough in large quanties and they easier/cheaper to get from warrenpoint to heysham on some mysterious supply chain management cunning plan...

Strange the things we ponder....[=P]

benjidog
6th February 2008, 00:03
Things move round the world because bean-counters find a way of making a a few bob out of the deal. Look at the recent programme about prawns being sent from Scotland to China for processing then sent back for sale. And sheep get moved around the country because there is a few bob to be made and get moved somewhere else after a short period of time for the same reaons. Tough luck on the sheep and tough luck on the environment.

It is quite likely that a bean counter has found a way of buying biscuits in Ireland at a few bob a ton cheaper than in England even though the damn things are made here in the first place!

Brian

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 00:26
benji.........i have never bean so insulted.

the profession of bean counting is far from one to be sniffed at.
next time you open a tin of heinz beans.........

why not try counting them yourself, bearing in mind they all look the same, but all have their own traits and personalities?
each tin has to have the same number of beans........no more..... no less.....
and someone has to ensure this complies with e.e.c. regulations for the correct complement of souls in a tin. (assuming beans have souls).

on closing, i await your apology, the absence of which will compel me to refer the matter to the good offices of my solicitor.

you obedient servant..........

sparkie 2182

senior bean counter
heinz 57 varieties,
wigan,
lancs.

Coastie
6th February 2008, 00:29
(Jester) (Jester) (==D) [=P]

benjidog
6th February 2008, 00:31
Oh dear - what can I say! From counting dits and dahs to counting beans!

I have to confess - I also count beans. If I eat more than about 50 it results in flatulence measuring Force 8 on the Beaufort scale! Definitely not to be sniffed at! :)

Brian

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 00:34
well done benji................

you caught the "gist" of my second line....................hee hee

sparkie 2182...........

nhp651
6th February 2008, 08:50
you guys need lockin' up. nearly choked on my rings this morning??!!

SN NewsCaster
6th February 2008, 15:00
People who enter the exclusion zone around the stricken Riverdance ferry risk being fined or arrested, police warn.

More from BBC News... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/news/int/search/news%2Bsport/ship/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/7229956.stm)

UmbornePirate
6th February 2008, 15:58
The photo stream on the net appears to be slowing as press and public interest wanders off elsewhere. Nevertheless there are two taken yesterday, Tuesday 5th, that could be of relevance to the ships stability.

A broad shot here (http://flickr.com/photos/georgimabee/2245225788/in/photostream/) shows where vehicles have gone overboard from the starboard deck park. This will help getting her back upright.

In a close up here (http://flickr.com/photos/georgimabee/2245225792/in/photostream/) the size of the yellow jacketed salvors and the position of the semitrailer that is on the sand but leaning against the ships side could be interpreted as showing that either the list is increasing or she is settling deeper into her sand hollow, or a bit of both. Movement in either of these directions obviously complicates the salvage challenge. However this photo is taken with a long lens from low down on the beach and the salvors might be standing on a new sand ridge near the ship that has been thrown up by recent scouring around the wreck so it is difficult to be sure.

The obliquity of these photos to the ideal line prevents accurate measurement but more photos on the fore and aft line should resolve this in due course. Perhaps though the tighter security cordon on the nearby seafront is making this difficult for photographers.

Pirate

Lifeboat1721
6th February 2008, 16:13
As the Riverdance and the Moondance are due to be replaced by New boats I wonder if the firm has just said she's Not worth salvaging(Cloud) (Cloud)

Ian

non descript
6th February 2008, 17:13
benji.........i have never bean so insulted.

the profession of bean counting is far from one to be sniffed at.
next time you open a tin of heinz beans.........

why not try counting them yourself, bearing in mind they all look the same, but all have their own traits and personalities?
each tin has to have the same number of beans........no more..... no less.....
and someone has to ensure this complies with e.e.c. regulations for the correct complement of souls in a tin. (assuming beans have souls).

on closing, i await your apology, the absence of which will compel me to refer the matter to the good offices of my solicitor.

you obedient servant..........

sparkie 2182

senior bean counter
heinz 57 varieties,
wigan,
lancs.

Sparkie, in your efforts to protect the Bean Counter, or to give them their correct title of: Honorable Analyst Supervising Bean Counters, because frankly theirs is almost a forgotten art, you have insulted, albeit unintentionally, the bean itself. As you know, ignorance is no defence at law, and in a multi-layered society, with Broad and French, allowed to coexist with Green and Kidney, the Bean Movement, has taken offence at your implication and frankly scandalous implied comment that there is the slightest doubt that they have souls. Indeed there is a strong belief that dicotyledons have two souls, not one, and it is this erroneous statement by your good self that has risked the situation. Flatulence, Rumble And Tummy have been put on notice that something may be in the wind in terms of action, but it is possible that a speedy retraction on your part can, even at this late stage, calm the situation and we can have it canned before it gains in pressure.
Yours etc
Tonga

nhp651
6th February 2008, 17:36
Now, Mark. should I send for the yellow van straight away, or give you a little time to skip town???

non descript
6th February 2008, 17:41
Now, Mark. should I send for the yellow van straight away, or give you a little time to skip town???

Neil, thank you, and as I now know that it is yellow, I can easily hide when I see it coming. (Jester)

duquesa
6th February 2008, 17:54
As one who struggled years ago to write a thesis on the "Respiratory System of The Baked Bean", I find it hard to appreciate the levity with which this topic has been treated!(Jester)

Cossack
6th February 2008, 19:12
Pictures (http://www2.blackpooltoday.co.uk/gallery_rd_fer/)
Crane in use on the beach (http://www.andersoncrawler.co.uk/newcranes.htm)

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 19:52
sorry...............:) :) :)

Peter4447
6th February 2008, 20:32
sorry.

LO Sparkie me old mate.

Gotta ask this question - you don't think by any chance that you have BEAN had on this occasion!!!!!


Peter(Jester)

UmbornePirate
6th February 2008, 21:19
Gentlemen

If I could make so bold as to interrupt the moderated flow of Mess Deck banter with a news item on this news thread (Thumb).....

Thanks to Neil for photos of the list at today's high tide (sent by PM) which, together with two interesting pictures here (http://flickr.com/photos/rickuspics/2246438687/in/set-72157603861082034/) and here (http://flickr.com/photos/rickuspics/2247234174/), would appear to show that the movement at high tide has increased the list by about 5 degrees over the last 24 hours. Tomorrow's tides are higher still so further movement might be expected, and the situation remains delicate.

However, as the linked photos show, two swing shovels were busy today building a sand wall in the starboard waist to try and arrest further rolling over.

Efforts to reduce weight on deck also continue, and the starboard lifeboat has had a bad Board of Trade Sports day, by accident or design.

It will be interesting to see how the sand wall survives immersion, or whether it has some cement content. Tomorrow could be an interesting day.

Pirate

Duncan112
6th February 2008, 21:19
As the Riverdance and the Moondance are due to be replaced by New boats I wonder if the firm has just said she's Not worth salvaging(Cloud) (Cloud)

Ian

They were both put through their 30 year docking last summer at huge expense.

Duncan

Santos
6th February 2008, 21:34
Smit wont want to lose her and I would think that they will pull out all the stops to do the job properly, straighten her, and tow her out in one piece.

Its a very public salvage and they would not want her to fall over,as that would not put them in a very good light to the watching world would it.

Personally I hope they succeed, I am quite fond of both Moondance and Riverdance having seen them many times in the Mersey.

Chris.

nhp651
6th February 2008, 21:50
I do hope you're right Santos. there is nothing sadder than seeing a fine ship prematurely scrapped.It is deeply upsetting.neil.

non descript
6th February 2008, 21:53
Thanks Pirate, very good information and much appreciated (Thumb)

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 22:23
you lot are in for it now....................

im taking my case to the european court of human rights.

a court for the dispensing of justice to human beans.

that'll learn ya

:)

Santos
6th February 2008, 22:28
Listen Sparkie - whats sauce for the beans is sauce for the has beans. Dont you think you are bean to harricot on us. (Jester)

Chris ( was just bean friendly )

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 22:34
just CAN it santos.............hee hee

that'll learn ya

:)

Santos
6th February 2008, 22:44
(Smoke) Trying to think of an opener !!!!

Chris.

sparkie2182
6th February 2008, 22:55
bean there.........done that...........:)

Santos
7th February 2008, 00:00
http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/mix/smile34.gif

sparkie2182
7th February 2008, 00:12
gettin' late, and i am off the watch my d.v.d. ..........

"pirates of the cari-bean"

hee hee

:)

nite nite shipmate

Derbyroy
7th February 2008, 02:43
Hi all ,
went over to Blackpool to see my Mother last weekend, went to see the stricken vessel, she was over by about 45 degrees on her port side .many containers and HGV,s having shifted durin her grounding,,however the shore there is basically sandy bottom..so there may be a chance for her on the higher tides later this month.lets all be thankfull no one was seriously Injured...besr regards Derbyroy

Derbyroy
7th February 2008, 02:48
ss that should have said STARBOARD SIDE...didn,t see the green light. must be an old age problem..(like being married ) tc all

Santos
8th February 2008, 19:01
Things are very quiet - anyone seen anything or heard anything ?

Chris.

Cossack
8th February 2008, 19:05
Things are very quiet - anyone seen anything or heard anything ?

Chris.

I was thinking just the same. It has gone quiet.

benjidog
8th February 2008, 19:12
There is a photo here taken yesterday showing a lifeboat being removed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/content/image_galleries/brett_liz_drive_gallery.shtml?1

Brian

Lifeboat1721
8th February 2008, 19:17
Nothing on the "Air waves" But a local Coastguard has told me that the top deck is clear and that Smit are hoping to re float her as soon as possible?

He also believes that they will be taking her to Liverpool dry dock,

Not sure how much is fact and how much is hope(H)

Ian