Naval base at Plymouth to close within 5 years?

wigger
24th February 2008, 14:35
From todays Sunday Times. (dated 24/02/08)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3423421.ece

Lancastrian
24th February 2008, 19:06
Not if the Scot Nats get their way !!

Drake he's in his hammock till the great Armadas come,
(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?),
Slung atween the round shot, listenin' for the drum,
An' dreamin' arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe.
Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound,
Call him when ye sail to meet the foe;
Where the old trade's plyin' an' the old flag flyin',
They shall find him, ware an' wakin', as they found him long ago.

They wouldnt dare close GUZ!

AncientBrit
24th February 2008, 22:31
Sounds like a recruitment nightmare to me. If, as the final result of their political baffle-gab, they do actually build those two Super-carriers, I suspect they may have the trained career manpower to man either the carriers, or the escorts, but not both! How sad, how very, very sad!
AB

sparkie2182
24th February 2008, 22:46
i suspect the principles held by the scots nats will dissolve when the subject turns to the 's lost

OLD STRAWBERRY
25th February 2008, 08:56
Perhaps FOST sea training back to it's proper home at Portland ???. And Portland could be the home for the new carriers especially when Portland port is re-structured.

Peter4447
25th February 2008, 09:38
Have the RN not sold too much off to quickly at Portland to make it a viable proposition - I know there was a feeling moving back could happen when they originally closed the base but could they honestly take back the Wardroom and Senior Rates accommodation now for example?
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derekhore
25th February 2008, 09:48
Have the RN not sold too much off to quickly at Portland to make it a viable proposition - I know there was a feeling moving back could happen when they originally closed the base but could they honestly take back the Wardroom and Senior Rates accommodation now for example?Peter4447(Thumb)



They could always use "Portakabins"!! :D

Lancastrian
25th February 2008, 10:26
The Portland fans are missing the point, "they" want to close a base, not open a new one!

OLD STRAWBERRY
25th February 2008, 11:13
The Portland fans are saying there is day by day more RFA's and Warships gradually wending their way back into the Portland areas for working up exercising. We also know that operational sea training has not been a successful transition as was predicted and at horrendous cost. The Navy should never have left Portland and I could safely say that the RN would, beyond doubt agree. Had Devonport closed in 1995 instead of Portland this predicament now would never have never arisen.
Portland fan and closure victim!!!.

Peter4447
25th February 2008, 12:00
I don't know whether they actually resolved the problem but visiting Portland for Operational Sea Training was always looked on with a sense of foreboding - as it was a lot of very hard work and very little shore time. When the move to Plymouth took place many lads from the lower deck who still came into 'Agge Westons' at Portland when their ships called in said that by moving OST to Plymouth it had lost that special something that had made it so important in their eyes.
It is a pity our political masters can't recognise that there are things in life you cannot put a price on!
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OLD STRAWBERRY
25th February 2008, 12:41
Yes peter, It was a way of life at portland. I was doing work-up's at Portland whilst in the RFA in the sixties, so FOST goes back a long way in Portland's History. I re-joined the RFA after being in the RMAS at Portland for 22 years. I did a few BOST's at Plymouth and pretty much most of the Thursday Wars were buggered up by the intense fishing in the area whether deliberate or not who knows?. Also the cost of Staff transfers far outwayed Portland's cost. All lunchtime transfers were done in the Harbour or just outside, ships could enter Portland anytime of day or night with no tidal worries. If, I repeat if there was any saving by closing Portland, then that saving was squandered at Plymouth. One may suggest I am embittered but I can answer that in a couple of words " I am".

Play4time
25th February 2008, 13:41
Having come from a RN family although MN myself I fined it sad to see the demise of a service that helped make this country great. But is this rundown a start to European intigrated forces that were talked of a few years ago???
I'm sure we won't fined out till it's to late to stop it

Lancastrian
25th February 2008, 14:50
"Had Devonport closed in 1995 instead of Portland this predicament now would never have never arisen."
But you are not comparing like with like. Devonport has a Dockyard as well as a Naval Base and it seems to be this that is under threat.
I hated Portland (because of the Work Up associations) and was delighted it closed.
OST seems to work OK down here and most transfers still take place by boat at the breakwater and I suspect the Helo SOOTAX service costs less than it did from Osprey. And the resident tanker still gets alongside for the weekend.

OLD STRAWBERRY
25th February 2008, 18:23
A sootax at Portland was very rare. the helos at Plymouth were chartered and very exspensive to run also using Plymouth Airport at greater cost, as was the cost of building new high speed staff carrying vessels to get them back alongside quicker. Everyone hated work- up's, whether it was Portland, Devonport, or Timbuktu but never forget Portland did it better!!!.PS just heard on Westcountry "No truth in the Rumour of Devonport closing". Beware! that's what Tom King said about Portland.