SUTHERLAND of NEWCASTLE

ROBERT HENDERSON
2nd May 2008, 18:17
Although I started my seagoing career in Thames sailing barges, my first actual seagoing vessel as deckboy was the M.V.Peebles in 1947. Does any member have any information as to the other ships in the fleet or the history of the company.
[=P]

Dave Edge
10th May 2008, 04:35
Robert,
B. J. Sutherland and Company had its origins in Thurso. Benjamin J. Sutherland was a Newcastle grain merchant and provided the capital for his son Arthur Sutherland, to build his first ship, also named Sutherland. She was delivered by William Dobson, Newcastle, in 1892. At the time Arthur Sutherland was aged 25. Two more tramps were purchased second hand and the Sutherland S.S. Company was formed in 1896. Sutherland's obviously liked the Doxford 'Turret' design and owned 20 of them, commencing with the Caithness in 1897. The company also liked the Doxford Economy motortramp of the 1930's and ordered the first to be delivered, the Sutherland of 1934. The Peebles in which you served was another of this type. She was delivered in 1936, survived an aircraft attack which damaged her on 20 August 1940, and lasted with Sutherlands until 1951 when she was sold to Westralian Farmers Transport Ltd., London, and renamed Swanstream. Sold to John Manners in 1956 and renamed San Fernando in 1957. Sold to other Hong Kong owners in 1965 she was renamed Phonecian Star and was broken up at Hong Kong in 1967.
Sir Arthur Sutherland died in 1953 and the fleet was then sold off to cover estate duties.

Derek Roger
10th May 2008, 05:17
Although I started my seagoing career in Thames sailing barges, my first actual seagoing vessel as deckboy was the M.V.Peebles in 1947. Does any member have any information as to the other ships in the fleet or the history of the company.
[=P]

Dave ;
I have just read your very detailed profile ( Wish the other members would give the site as much information as you have )

I am very interested in your service in Malawi . Did you ever meet up with a family friend who was a district commissioner there by the name of David
Mac Calmen ??


Derek

ROBERT HENDERSON
11th May 2008, 17:03
Hi Derek
I may have met a district commisioner called David but only if he was the commisioner for Nkata Bay. The DMs were all local when I was there. It was interesting, when a port was silting up we done our own surveys which none of us had done before. I think that is a great thing about a seagoing career, you somehow find a way to do things you never thought you could.

R58484956
11th May 2008, 20:24
Sutherland fleet 1952/53

Argyll 1939 4897t
Cromarty 1936 4974t
Dumfries 1945 7307t
Inverness 1945 7131t
Sutherland 1940 5172t

ROBERT HENDERSON
11th May 2008, 20:54
Thanks very much for the information on Sutherland's Dave and R58484956
Regards Robert

mini
4th November 2008, 13:15
hi, I am looking for some info on the 2nd sutherland that was built in 1940?
My dad sailed on this ship in 1943 aged 17 and recalls the captains name as Morgan. Do you know what happened to this ship? Any information you have would be great! many thanks. Mini.

R58484956
4th November 2008, 14:10
MV Sutherland 5172 tons Built 1940 by Wm Doxford & Sons, Sunderland.
427.6 x 56.5 x 26.5. 3 cyl; 2S C.S.A. oil engine built by the ship builders.
2 Double ended boilers boilers @120 psi.
DF, ESD. Code flags GBYG. Cruiser stern. Registered Newcastle. British flag.
Owned by B J Sutherland & Co; Ltd.

alastairjs
4th November 2008, 14:34
Mini,
I can't help you with the Master but below are details of the ship:
Sutherland, O/N 165783. Launched 26.2.1940 & Completed in May 1940 by William Doxford & Sons Ltd., Pallion Yard, Sunderland, Yard No. 658. General cargo ship for B. J. Sutherland & Co. Ltd., Newcastle. 5,172 GRT, 442' 11" LOA, 56' 5" Breadth, 3 cyl. Doxford oil engine, service speed 10.5 knots.
1953, sold to The Carlton Steamship Company Ltd. & The Cambray Steamship Company Ltd. (Chapman & Willan Ltd. managers) & renamed Grainton.
1957, sold to Buries, Markes Ltd., London, & renamed La Bahia.
1961, sold to Valerosa Cia. Nav. S.A., of Panama, (M. J. Lemos Co.,managers) & renamed San John (registered Lebanon).
1965, sold to Atlas Shipping & Trading Ltd., of Cyprus (same manager), & renamed Ledra. On 11th November 1967, while en route from Calcutta to Rijeka, Yugoslavia, with a cargo of iron ore, ran aground on Alphus Shoal, off the E coast of Sri Lanka at position 7.24.30N/81.51.18E. The Vessel broke in two & was abandoned.
Hope that's of interest,
Regards,
Alastair

mini
6th November 2008, 16:49
MV Sutherland 5172 tons Built 1940 by Wm Doxford & Sons, Sunderland.
427.6 x 56.5 x 26.5. 3 cyl; 2S C.S.A. oil engine built by the ship builders.
2 Double ended boilers boilers @120 psi.
DF, ESD. Code flags GBYG. Cruiser stern. Registered Newcastle. British flag.
Owned by B J Sutherland & Co; Ltd.

Many thanks for the speedy reply, that's great!
Mini.

mini
6th November 2008, 16:50
Hi Alastair, Thank-you so much, you've made an old sea dog very happy.
Regards,
Mini.

Ivor Lloyd
16th November 2008, 15:50
Hello Mini
I sailed as Radio Officer on the Sutherland 7/49 to11/50
A good ship . The Captain then was R W Nicholson but I think Capt Morgan eventually became a Suprintendent in the Company and used to visit whenver we docked in th UK.

Ivor

TIM HUDSON
16th November 2008, 18:16
I have a very elderly neighbour who sailed on Sutherland's Cromatry towards end of the WW II ...Am trying to locate a picture of it. can anyone help

tim

Ron Stringer
16th November 2008, 23:29
Hello Mini
I sailed as Radio Officer on the Sutherland 7/49 to11/50
A good ship . The Captain then was R W Nicholson
Ivor

Sailed with R W Nicholson as Master on Hall Bros (Newcastle) mv ''Bretwalda'' in 1961. He was accompanied by his wife. Did two voyages - Avonmouth ballast/Norfolk Va grain/Belfast discharge & d/dock - Belfast ballast/Safi Morocco phosphates/Cape Town discharge & ballast/Durban sugar/Liverpool.

notnila
20th November 2008, 22:12
There is a very short history of the Company including a photo of the"Caithness of 1935 in Decembers issue of "Ships Monthly",in an article"Tyneside Tramps".
Best Regards
Arch

benboats
8th September 2009, 23:56
Am trying to obtain a photo of the s.s.Laughton ,went missing on 1899 on passage from Newport News to Copenhagen.Relation was engineer on her.

kcpearce
4th April 2012, 20:52
Although I started my seagoing career in Thames sailing barges, my first actual seagoing vessel as deckboy was the M.V.Peebles in 1947. Does any member have any information as to the other ships in the fleet or the history of the company.
[=P]

Just noted your thread and I have the following info re BJ Sutherland.
I joined M.V. Peebles as D.Boy (1st Trip Ex Vindi) and watched her name being changed to "SWANSTREAM" - Westralian Farmers. The Master was Robert Thwaites and I served from 29.11.1951 until
23.05.1952. The pay off was Singapore and we, ratings, flew home from Singapore. Chinese crew took our places. We had been to East and South Africa then Australia. bound for India at pay off.
My next ship was M.V. Sutherland, Capt. R.W. Nicholson. signed on Hull 23.06.1952 paid off Manchester 14.10.1952 Sutherland became Grainton (Chapmans) 1953 La Bahia (Buries Markes) 1957
Ledra (Lemos & Co) 1961 Unfortunately - Wrecked 11th November 1967
Peebles as stated became Swanstream 1951 then San Fernando (Manners & co Hong Kong) 1957 then Phoenician Star (Yong & Lee) 1965 and finally scrapped 1967.
Hope this is of interest to you.