British Trust

peter83
26th June 2008, 18:36
I have heard various explanations as to why the 1959 Lithgow's built "bird class" BP tanker was not given a bird name. In Bill Harvey's BP publication it states that she was laid down as the British Thrush but launched as British Trust, but does not give a reason for the change. I am sure there is someone out there who sailed on her and knows the real story.

Peter

John_F
26th June 2008, 19:04
Peter,
I sailed on the Trust in 1963/64 as 3/0 - She was my last vessel with BP.
There are a couple of theories as to why she was called the Trust:
Theory 1: She was launched by Dame Patti Menzies who was the wife of the then Australian Prime Minister, Sir Robert Menzies & she was originally lined up to be named the Kiwi. As the Kiwi is the national emblem of Australia's neighbour, New Zealand, it was thought that the good lady may be offended by this so the word Trust was chosen as being non-controversial. BP was at the time 55% owned by the Government.
Theory 2: She was originally going to be named the Thrush. As you are probably aware, there is an infection which goes by the same name & tends to afflict ladies around the nether regions. To avoid any embarassment, the name was changed to Trust.
You pays your money, etc., etc......

Kind regards,
John.

peter83
26th June 2008, 19:29
Thanks John, I like your angle on "thrush" I'm sure you can get a cream for it now!
Are you still heading for west country on retirement.
All the best
Peter

KenLin39
26th June 2008, 20:22
Peter,
I sailed on the Trust in 1963/64 as 3/0 - She was my last vessel with BP.
There are a couple of theories as to why she was called the Trust:
Theory 1: She was launched by Dame Patti Menzies who was the wife of the then Australian Prime Minister, Sir Robert Menzies & she was originally lined up to be named the Kiwi. As the Kiwi is the national emblem of Australia's neighbour, New Zealand, it was thought that the good lady may be offended by this so the word Trust was chosen as being non-controversial. BP was at the time 55% owned by the Government.
Theory 2: She was originally going to be named the Thrush. As you are probably aware, there is an infection which goes by the same name & tends to afflict ladies around the nether regions. To avoid any embarassment, the name was changed to Trust.
You pays your money, etc., etc......

Kind regards,
John.

Hi John. I should think that "British Emu" would have been more appropriate. Ken.

John_F
26th June 2008, 20:55
Are you still heading for west country on retirement.
All the best
Peter

Peter,
You better believe it! Like to think we can make it this year, just waiting for our offspring to move out. Trouble is, they've had it too good at home (no rent, all found including laundry & meals - where do they find a better deal?) My youngest just graduated yesterday but no job yet so I suspect we may have to resort to bribery & blandishment.
Kind regards,
John.

stewart4866
3rd July 2008, 13:58
Peter,
You better believe it! Like to think we can make it this year, just waiting for our offspring to move out. Trouble is, they've had it too good at home (no rent, all found including laundry & meals - where do they find a better deal?) My youngest just graduated yesterday but no job yet so I suspect we may have to resort to bribery & blandishment.
Kind regards,
John.

Know the feeling John my three still at home (==D)

Mic Errington
5th October 2009, 08:46
Hi there,
I was on the Trust in '72 or so, when I asked why it was a bird boat called Trust I was told the lady launching her had simply mis read the name and named her Trust. Rather than correct her, or perhaps to avoid bad luck, BP stuck with the name.
Probably cobblers but that's what I was told.
Mic

BillH
5th October 2009, 10:55
Hi there,
I was on the Trust in '72 or so, when I asked why it was a bird boat called Trust I was told the lady launching her had simply mis read the name and named her Trust. Rather than correct her, or perhaps to avoid bad luck, BP stuck with the name.
Probably cobblers but that's what I was told.
Mic
I had been told that story on several occasions but as it appeared more heresay I deliberately stayed away from the temptation of providing an explanation for the change as somebody would for sure come out of the woodwork and challenge the explanation insisting that their explanation was correct. Better this way then we get loads of variations and who knows one may be right.

Bill

billyboy
5th October 2009, 11:35
The way I heard it the Kiwi and the swift had their names change to avoid embarrasment to the NZ lady.
If this is true then there must be another reason for the thrush to be named trust

CLIVE R786860
17th November 2009, 03:15
My fist ship after leaving Gravesend Sea School in May 1963 after travelling all the way up to Cumbria on the Friday I got home on the Saterday to find a telegram waiting for me to join the Trust.One Night in my own bed and on the Sunday night train back down to Tilbury pool to sign on!!.Will never forget the first time I saw her after we got off the coach that the federation had put on to take us to the Isle of Grain. she was HUGE to a 16 year old kid ,fond memories of this ship.I had a great time on her and learned a lot.

japottinger
16th December 2009, 23:39
Just been watching a DVD re Clyde built ships and its shows purporting to be the launch of the BT. But the ceremony was conducted by George Hilton man. director of Scotts' and Sinclair Scott of Scott family. Will need to check if this was after link up of Scotts' and Lithgows or just artists licence.

trishsmith
17th August 2010, 07:18
Dear John, was wondering if you knew crew member Michael Rees and Bobby ? who were on the trust in 1962-3 michael was from south sheilds. Have been trying to track him down but to no avail. Pam.

John_F
17th August 2010, 11:11
Hi Pam,
I regret to say that the names do not ring a bell with me. Do you know what ranks they held ?
kind regards,
John.

trishsmith
10th September 2010, 02:27
Hi Pam,
I regret to say that the names do not ring a bell with me. Do you know what ranks they held ?
kind regards,
John. Hi John, sorry took so long but have not been well. Michael Rees was a kitchen hand he was only about 17 years of age but I am wondering if he was there before you. 1962-63 regards Pam

jim jamieson
8th January 2012, 05:03
Dear John, was wondering if you knew crew member Michael Rees and Bobby ? who were on the trust in 1962-3 michael was from south sheilds. Have been trying to track him down but to no avail. Pam.

Hi Pam, I was on the Trust during this period and I knew Michael well. We were both cabin boys.
Would the Bobby you are looking for be Bobby Stidolph also a South Shields guy? He was a deck boy.
Both good guys and at that age we had a ball
All the best, Jim
Just thinking both the lads will be "old gits" like myself now.

jim jamieson
9th January 2012, 21:55
My fist ship after leaving Gravesend Sea School in May 1963 after travelling all the way up to Cumbria on the Friday I got home on the Saterday to find a telegram waiting for me to join the Trust.One Night in my own bed and on the Sunday night train back down to Tilbury pool to sign on!!.Will never forget the first time I saw her after we got off the coach that the federation had put on to take us to the Isle of Grain. she was HUGE to a 16 year old kid ,fond memories of this ship.I had a great time on her and learned a lot.

Hi Clive,
I think you joined as I left on 27th May 63. I had done 11 very happy months aboard her on the Oz and NZ coast, If I remember correctly she was heading for Norway when I left. Do you remember a nav/cadet called Glynn wheeler? He was known as Winkle. He was a good go ashore mate. Like you I had a great time on her. Everyone that has been on her seems to have enjoyed her.
Great memories of the ship and crew even after all these years.
Were you deck or catering? I was cabin boy and was fortunate to rejoin her as ch/cook in 68 and she was still a very happy ship.
Best wishes, Jim.

CLIVE R786860
1st February 2012, 17:04
Hi Jim, yes you are correct I did join her on that date,I Was a first trip deck boy and I do remember Winkle, a decent lad.We left the I.O.G.and our first port was Gothenburg Sweden.All the crowd that signed on that trip were Scottish.A good first trip A year later I joined the British Cygnet. Regards Clive.

rubicon42
12th October 2012, 12:18
I was a navigating apprentice on her from July 1962 until late May 1963 'Winkle' was in the adjacent cabin. One of the most exciting years of my life. Do you remember running the American blockade of Cuba as we were en route to Panma ? And all those scavenge fires and resultant damage which kept us in port on the Aussie coast for weeks. And Captain Carrington offering afternoon snorters to all his wife's teddy bears who were arranged around that large L-shaped settee in his lounge.Halcon days! Ray Gaubert

The Trusts' ports of call during my time -


port arrived departed
South Shields 09.07.62 10.07.62
Isle of Grain 12.07.62 14.07.62
Antwerp 15.07.62 18.07.62
Rotterdam 18.07.62 19.07.62
Isle of Grain 20.07.62 22.07.62
Fagerstrand, Os 24.07.62 26.07.62
Isle of Grain 28.07.62 30.07.62
Avonmouth 31.07.62 01.08.62
Barry 02.08.62 03.08.62
Aden 16.08.02 17.08.62
Hamble 03.09.62 05.09.62
Swansea 06.09.62 11.09.62
Isle of Grain 13.09.62 17.09.62
Rota, Spain 20.09.62 22.09.62
Milazzo, Sicily 26.09.62 30.09.62
Swansea 07.10.62 14.10.62
Middlesbrough 16.10.62 18.10.62
Saltend 18.10.62 19.10.62
Isle of Grain 23.10.62 31.10.62
Panama 15.11.62 16.11.62
Auckland 07.12.62 08.12.62
Wellington 10.12.62 12.12.62
Sydney 16.12.62 17.12.62
Adelaide 21.12.62 03.01.63
Melbourne 05.01.63 07.01.63
Kwinana 1 2.01.63 14.01.63
Melbourne 19.01.63 20.01.63
Adelaide 22.01.63 23.01.63
Port Pirie 24.01.63 26.01.63
Kwinana 31.01.63 04.02.63
Melbourne 12.02.63 13.02.63
Adelaide 15.02.63 12.03.63
Port Pirie 13.03.63 03.04.63
Kwinana 09.04.63 09.04.63
Abadan 25.04.63 27.04.63
Naples 13.05.63 15.05.63
Tunis 16.05.63 18.05.63
Oran ? ?
Le Havre 25.05.63 26.05.63
Thameshaven 26.05.63 27.05.63

A.D.FROST
12th October 2012, 13:16
I think the name was changed,because of its conations(nothing to do with the bird)Trust me.(Scribe)

rubicon42
12th October 2012, 13:39
this was just out of the victorian times. they never spoke about such things. it was a nervous woman trying to multi-task in public

rubicon42
14th October 2012, 13:22
to Jim and John F, do either of you recall that afternoon in 1964, on the way back from Australia, when the 2nd mate yelled out, rushing up to the monkey island at one point, and the crew raced across the decks to the starboard side to find two giant whales (?) hard alonside us. The inner one was mottled brownish and the outer, grey.They stayed with us, at full ahead, for some minutes. Almost all the crew witnessed this but no-one had a camera handy. I recall that the consensus was the length exceeded that of the main deck which was about a 100ft and we still never saw the tailfluke. I was chipping away underneath the midships starboard lifeboat, hanging on to the jacob's ladder. I looked down, petrified, directly over their heads. I was asked if I saw the blowhole but none of us did. Ray G

mission for seamen
25th October 2013, 14:56
i was a young lad of about 7 when i met some of the crew onboard the british trust when itt was in port adelaide and port pirie.my family was were conected with the mission for seamen in port adelaide .bill.molly .pam. tom. yvonne.and me anthony . i was given a koala bear from the captain and spent time with allan flarry, mick rees and bobby. the cook was from the queen mary.thanks to the crew of the trust for my memories.we still discuss the crew with fond memories even today

Alan Flarry
26th October 2013, 22:53
Hi Anthony
First time I met you was the 23rd December 1962, at the seaman's, mission, in Port Adelaide.
Lot of water gone under the bridge since then, 51 years ago.
Would like to catch up some time.
Alan

mission for seamen
27th October 2013, 10:14
Hi Alan, Pam, Yvonne both were very excited to hear that you had contacted me, i think Pam will be in contact with you very soon , i thank you for adding your post and we will chat soon ..............kind regards Anthony

crew
8th April 2014, 23:26
i have a short film of the british trust been launched and the name on the bow and as clear as a bell is british trust. i was on the trust in1965 . the story i was told was that it was named to honor the national trust,and the work that they do. i hope this answers a few questions.