Manns of London

DURANGO
3rd July 2008, 09:36
Does anyone have any knowledge of this company as far as i know they had two ships the Boscombe Down and the Worthy Down i was in the Worthy Down

Roger Jordan
3rd July 2008, 15:55
Hello Durango
Below are some particulars and history of the motor vessels BOSCOMBE DOWN and WORTHY DOWN and also example voyages of the vessels under those names and previous and later names as per various issues of Lloyd’s Shipping Index 1939-77. The other data are from various editions of Lloyd’s Register and Lloyd’s Confidential Index, and other sources at Lloyd’s.
If you go to
http://kommandobryggan.se/transatlantic/glimmaren.htm and http://kommandobryggan.se/transatlantic/temnaren.htm, you will find images of both of these vessels as they were when owned by Transatlantic. Among the images are interior shots.
Hope that this is of interest.
Regards
Roger

BOSCOMBE DOWN

Particulars
Official number 302803
Signal letters GHWF
3361 tons gross, 1815 tons net, 6170 tons deadweight
Length overall 380 ft 8 in, breadth 51 ft 8 in, draught 23 ft 8.5 in
Twin screw
Two 6-cylinder Eriksbergs/B&W oil engines, total 4100 bhp
Service speed 14.2 knots
Accommodation for two first-class passengers when built
Classed with Lloyd’s Register

History
2.10.39 launched
11.39 completed by Eriksbergs, Gothenburg (ship number 294), for Rederi-A/B Transatlantic, Gothenburg, as GLIMMAREN
1961 sold to Merchants Manufacturing & Transportation Co Ltd, St Peter Port (manager Mann & Son (London) Ltd), 5 Whittington Avenue, London EC3), and renamed BOSCOMBE DOWN (? passenger accommodation discontinued)
1963 sold Benking Enterprises Ltd (manager Kie Hock Shipping (Hong Kong) Co Ltd, Hong Kong)
1965 renamed TONG SING
1968 transferred to Angora Enterprises Ltd, Hong Kong (same manager)
1970 transferred Tali Shipping Co Ltd SA, Panama (manager Kie Hock Shipping Co (Pte) Ltd, Singapore) (under Somali flag)
1971 management transferred to Kie Hock Shipping (1971) (Pte) Ltd
16.12.71 wrecked

Example voyages
As GLIMMAREN
WW2 Surveyed for Lloyd’s Register (LR) at Gothenburg in 11.39, 11.41, 1.43, 8.44
31.10.45 Sd New York, and 17.11 sd Gothenburg, for Stockholm, sd Malmo 19.11
6.48 LR survey at Srattle
28.10.48 sd Baltimore for Gothenburg
12.5.49 sd La Guaira for Buenaventura, ar 16.5
11.3.50 sd Baltimore for Gothenburg
2.52 LR survey at Gothenburg
5.11.53 sd Lulea for Philadelphia, ar Boston 4.12
18.3.57 sd Durban for Riga, ar 13.4
7.10.58 sd Beira for Durban
9.4.59 sd Copenhagen for Dar-es-Salaam, ar Gothenburg 10.4
14.1.60 sd Beira for Stockholm, ar Murviken 4.3
7.4.61 sd Gdynia for Colombo, ar Gothenburg 14.4
As BOSCOMBE DOWN
10.6.62 sd Stockholm for Santos, ar Santos Roads 14.7 and Santos 19.7
6.4.63 sd Porto Alegre for Hamburg
27.8.63 sd Santos for Hamburg
When owned by Benking Enterprises (still named BOSCOMBE DOWN)
20.1.64 SD Galle for Chittagong
6.10.64 sd Basrah for Colombo, ar 16.10
2.12.64 sd Colombo for Singapore Roads (renamed TONG SING following arrival)
As TONG SING
23.3.65 sd Penang for Bandar Shapur, ar 25.4
6.10.65 ar Karachi from Tientsin
6.2.66 sd Hong Kong for Singapore
10.9.66 ar Karachi from Whampoa
18.1.67 sd Hong Kong for Singapore
1.3.67 sd Karachi for Dammam, sd Basrah 8.4
When owned by Angora Enterprises Ltd
15.5.68 sd Khorramshahr for Singapore Roads, ar 29.5
6.12.68 sd Chittagong for Calcutta, ar roads 7.12
8.2.69 sd Wakayama for Hsinkang
12.11.69 sd Hong Kong for Whampoa
9.2.70 sd Rangoon for Singapore Roads
When owned by Tali Shipping (Somali flag)
11.8.70 sd Hong Kong for Singapore
3.11.70 sd Singapore Roads for Iwakuni
28.2.71 sd Singapore Roads for Shanghai
28.11.71 ar Singapore Roads from Shanghai
13.5.72 sd Hong Kong for Shanghai
30.10.72 sd Singapore Roads, on voyage Rangoon to China
11.1.73 sd Dar-es-Salaam for Aqaba, sd Port Sudan 16.2
16.12.74 Aground, on voyage Singapore to Tsamkong
“While en route, in ballast, from Singapore to Tsamkong where she was due to load a cargo of rice, the 35-year old Somali motor vessel Tong Sing was wrecked when she ran aground in the South China Sea seven miles east of Tung-Hai Tao in lat 21 00N long 110 42E on16 December 1974. The badly damaged vessel was eventually refloated, towed by Tsamkong and broken up” (Maritime Casualties 1963-1996, by Norman Hooke)

WORTHY DOWN

Particulars
Official number 302728
Signal letters GHSE
3361 tons gross, 1815 tons net, 6000 tons deadweight
Length overall 381 ft 1 in, breadth 51 ft 7 in, draught 23 ft 9 in
Twin screw
Two 6-cylinder Gotaverken oil engines, total 4200 bhp
Service speed 14.2 knots
Accommodation for two first-class passengers when built
Classed with Lloyd’s Register

History
14.1.39 launched by A/B Lindholmens Varv, Gothenburg (ship number 962)
3.39 completed by A/B Gotaverken, Gothenburg (ship number 532), for Rederi-A/B Transatlantic, Gothenburg, as TEMNAREN
1961 sold to Merchants Manufacturing & transportation Co Ltd, St Peter Port (manager Mann & Son (London) Ltd), 5 Whittington Avenue, London EC3), and renamed WORTHY DOWN (? passenger accommodation discontinued)
1963 Sold Benking Enterprises Ltd (manager Kie Hock Shipping (Hong Kong) Co Ltd, Hong Kong)
1964 renamed TONG HAI
1968 transferred to Good Fortune Enterprises Ltd, Hong Kong (same manager)
1970 transferred to Tali Shipping Co Ltd SA, Panama (manager Kie Hock Shipping Co (Pte) Ltd, Singapore) (under Somali flag)
1971 management transferred to Kie Hock Shipping (1971) (Pte) Ltd, Singapore
1978 transferred to Tali Shipping Co Ltd (same manager) renamed LYLIAN (Honduras flag)
20.8.78 breaking up commenced at Junk Bay, Hong Kong, by Lee Sing & Co Ltd

Example voyages
As TEMNAREN
28.3.39 sd Gothenburg for New York (maiden voyage)
WW2 LR surveys at Gothenburg 1.42, 10.44
12.11.45 sd Table Bay for Mozambique and Port Said
11.47 LR survey at Gothenburg
29.10.48 sd Guayaquil for Buenaventura
12.48 LR survey at Gustafsvik
22.5.49 sd Matadi for Luanda, sd Boma 26.5
21.2.50 sd Lobito for London, ar Duala 6.3
8.51 LR survey at Stockholm
5.52 LR survey at Gothenburg
7.53 LR survey at Gothenburg
28.9.53 sd Lobito for Gothenburg, ar Copenhagen 2.12 (had been aground, no details)
21.3.57 sd Lobito for Gothenburg
22.9.58 sd New York for Mobile, sd Havana 8.10
9.4.59 sd Greenock for Rotterdam, ar 11.4
17.2.60 sd Beira for Stockholm, sd Durban 26.2
1.4.61 sd Hamburg for Puerto la Cruz
As WORTHY DOWN
27.7.62 sd Porto Alegre for Copenhagen, ar Santos 31.7
7.4.63 sd New Orleans for Rotterdam, ar 6.5
23.8.63 sd Port Sudan for Rotterdam
When owned by Benking Enterprises Ltd/Kie Hock, still named WORTHY DOWN
23.1.64 sd Yokohama for Hong Kong, ar 10.2
16.10.64 sd Karachi for Khorramshahr, sd Kuwait 27.10
17.12.64 sd Kuwait for Singapore (renamed TONG HAI after arrival at Singapore)
As TONG HAI
8.4.65 sd Chittagong for Singapore, sd Visakapatnam 20.4
2.9.65 sd Zanzibar for Shanghai, ar Singapore Roads 21.9
20.2.66 sd Hong Kong for Whampoa
1.8.66 at Singapore for docking/repairs
4.1.67 sd Colombo for Singapore
12.5.67 sd Dubai for Kuwait, ar 14.5
30.4.68 sd Penang for Shanghai, sd Singapore 6.5
When owned by Good Fortune Enterprises Ltd, Hong Kong
4.12.68 sd Hong Kong for Singapore
12.2.69 sd Hong Kong for Shanghai
11.9.69 sd Port Swettenham for Osaka, ar 12.11
13.2.70 on voyage from Singapore Roads to Shanghai
When owned by Tali Shipping (Somali flag)
1.8.70 st Port Swettenham for Niigata, ar 14.8
2.11.70 sd Hong Kong for Singapore
12.3.71 sd Hong Kong, on voyage Shanghai to Singapore
24.11.71 at Bangkok (had been in collision, no details)
8.4.72 sd Aqaba for Singapore Roads, ar 30.4
26.1.73 sd Singapore Roads for Shanghai
29.8.77 sd Bangkok for Hong Kong, ar 3.9

Roger Jordan
3rd July 2008, 18:24
Hello durango
Forgot to mention in my previous post, if you do a google search for Mann & Son (London) Ltd, you will find many links, including the company's own website, which has a brief history. The company is now located in Harwich and runs, among others, the Argo Line service to Germany.
Roger

DURANGO
4th July 2008, 13:28
Hello durango
Forgot to mention in my previous post, if you do a google search for Mann & Son (London) Ltd, you will find many links, including the company's own website, which has a brief history. The company is now located in Harwich and runs, among others, the Argo Line service to Germany.
Roger
Hello Roger many thanks for the imformation especialy the amount of it , the old Worthy Down will forever have a place in my heart , i joined her in Hong Kong on the the 23rd oct 1961 and paid off sick on the 29th jan 1962 at Shanghai where i spent a month in hospital , the chinese where very good to me , they sent me by train to Hong Kong i still have my visa and train tickets the visa is printed on rice paper , when the ship left me as far as i know she went to a northern port in China i beleive it is called Darren there she loaded rice for Cuba again as far as i know she sailed to Cuba via the cape of good hope ,i was flown home which when you think the company only had 2 ships was very genourous as far as i,m concerned being as the plane tickets where £208 one way in those days i was surprised they never sent me home d.b.s. anyhow i had to attend dreadnought seamens hospital once arriving home ,i was not fit to go back to sea until april 1962 i walked back into dock st pool [ leman st ] and the first ship i was offered was the Worthy Down running to south america i could not beleive it anyhow i politely declined and signed on the Crystal Gem instead i have a photo of the Worthy Down with what looks to me like a Houlder flag on her funnel so she may have been on a houlder brother charter again many thanks for taking the trouble to find out all the imformation best wishes ,Dave .

DURANGO
9th February 2012, 18:25
I have yet to come across anyone who sailed with this company in either of the two ships the Worthy Down or the Boscombe Down in the past I have had feed back on both of theses ships but as of yet I have not as I said come across anyone who sailed in either of them best regards to all hands Dave .

TommyRob
18th April 2012, 13:31
Just to add to Roger's excellent Boscombe Down voyage examples, she arrived New York 22/02/62 from Puerto Cabello and 21/04/62 I noted her in the Waalhaven, Rotterdam looking very unloved. Again she wended her way back to South America confirming a recurring connection.

cutts
22nd January 2013, 15:24
Hi DURANGO
I sailed on the Worthy Down .signed on in BREMEN 25/7/61 paid off in SINGAPORE 8/12/61. I stayed in connell house for six weeks awaiting a ship that was going to the u.k.Eventualy the agent got me on a bluey the DEMODOCUS for liverpool as a d.b.s Going on the worthy down was another stich up job from Dock street pool.many years later when i was on SEALINK ships one of my mates was telling me that when he was on a blue star ship the BOSCOMBE DOWN was tied up in B/A and all crew were starving so they were all running food on board for them. Cheers Mick Cutler (cutts) Newhaven.

DURANGO
27th January 2013, 15:21
Hi DURANGO
I sailed on the Worthy Down .signed on in BREMEN 25/7/61 paid off in SINGAPORE 8/12/61. I stayed in connell house for six weeks awaiting a ship that was going to the u.k.Eventualy the agent got me on a bluey the DEMODOCUS for liverpool as a d.b.s Going on the worthy down was another stich up job from Dock street pool.many years later when i was on SEALINK ships one of my mates was telling me that when he was on a blue star ship the BOSCOMBE DOWN was tied up in B/A and all crew were starving so they were all running food on board for them. Cheers Mick Cutler (cutts) Newhaven.

Hello Mick we where together that same trip how did you get paid off I joined her in Hong Kong on the 23/10th/61 I paid off sick in Shanghai on the 29th/1st/62 best regards Dave .

oldman 80
31st March 2013, 03:13
ED&F Mann:-
In 1983 they owned at least 2 - SD14's, the Arafura Sea and another which I cannot accurately recall (but think it was the Bandar Sea.)
They may have owned many other vessels at the time - I don't know.
The Arafura Sea was in late 1983 and into 1984 Time Chartered to Hapag Lloyd.
I was temporary (relieving) master on the Arafura Sea November/ December 1983, when she ran from Antwerp to Red Sea Ports Jeddah, Port Sudan & Aquaba then returned to Antwerp & Hamburg loading for Argentina.
She was registered in Singapore and Managed at the time by Denholm Ship Management (Singapore).
She was manned by Singaporeans, except for myself ( a U.K. Master) and the U.K. Chief Engineer .
Quite a nice ship I recall. (Built in Brazil)