A call to moderators

david smith
21st June 2005, 21:48
May I be so bold as to request that when welcoming new members to this excellent site we give a caution with respect to copyright. I know this is an old subject - but to scan from books etc. and expect to take credit on this site is wrong, and posters should be warned. - just a thought

jordiboy
21st June 2005, 23:48
Members may scan from books, but I don't think they intend to take credit for them but only to show pictures that may be of interest to other members

thunderd
22nd June 2005, 00:20
Members may scan from books, but I don't think they intend to take credit for them but only to show pictures that may be of interest to other members

Here is what I was told at my local library and they paint a pretty grim picture.

Whether you copy them for commercial purposes or not, IF you republish them, as opposed to keeping them for your personal use, in any way, without the permission of the owner you are infringing their copywrite.

Here in Aus copywrite on photos lasts for 70 years.

It's a pity really because most of these photos were originally published by the authors for the general enjoyment of ship lovers and they probably couldn't give a rat's a**** ...oops bottom if enthusiasts like us put them on this site.

thunderd
22nd June 2005, 07:14
Here we go again the same old story, let it be put into the rules of engagement about copyright where all new members can read then we wont drag over old coals.
John T. Oliver
You may have forgotten John some of us newbies have not heard the "same old story "and respect the site enough to want to act responsibly, hopefully we can do that with patient understanding and guidance from the senior members and moderators.

Putting something in the help file or rule book or whatever would be most helpful.

thunderd
22nd June 2005, 07:52
Derek all the COPYRIGHT issues were covered in a past discussion started by David I am sure everything was covered then.
Simply read all past discussions on subject. Copyright rules vary country to country. awareness that it could possibly be an issue should ensure that you keep within the law. Look for copyright info in books and mags that you may be copying from.
Zelda
SHIPS CAT
Of course you are absolutely right Zelda, unfortunately if I read every single past post on this site I would be spending 24 hours a day for the next few years. I guess some of us get a bit lazy and think a simple doubt can be cleared up by asking a pretty basic question and getting a simple answer.

Thanks for clearing things up for me.

Thanks also for the answer on ringbolting, never heard that one before, I've learned lots today haven't I?

shipmate17
22nd June 2005, 10:16
Hi,
With regards to copyright,most publishers will give you permission to use their material,most ask for a mention on the website,with a possibilty of acheiving further sales.More difficult though when it is impossible to get permission when the firm has gone out of buisness years ago.

flyer682
22nd June 2005, 10:58
Been watching this thread with interest to see where it goes. With all due respect David we are covering old ground again, but new Members of course don't realise this. It would be helpful if newbies took some time to have a bit of a look around to become familiar with the site and no doubt some do.
In future, I am going to "standardise" my welcome to new Members to include that they read the sticky thread "Guidelines To Posting" in the Members Notice Board or Say Hello forums.
I would suggest that anybody reading this who hasn't already read that Post, do so now.
Thank you.
(Fly)

John Rogers
22nd June 2005, 12:20
Good idea David. JR

david smith
22nd June 2005, 15:24
Thanks David,
David

Bob S
22nd June 2005, 18:38
This may well be contentious but….
Hang on while I put on my flack jacket.

Whilst this must rank amongst the top sites for enjoyment and friendliness, am I the only member who feels that the “Say hello” forum is beginning to swamp the site? I logged on today and found that out of 30 threads, 19 were in the “Say Hello” forum and these 19 threads contained 43 posts added today.
Might I make a suggestion, when a new member says hello, which is always very welcome, only a “nominated” moderator of the day/week welcomes them to the site, perhaps by PM, and include a brief outline of the site rules and even information on posting (a standard reply).

This should then satisfy members with copyright issues, including myself, and free the forums for more “ship oriented” posts.

Santos
22nd June 2005, 19:40
I have to say I agree with Bob and think his is a good idea. Welcomed by a Moderator and informerly introduced to the ground rules would be a good thing. It would surely save any embarassing moments for new members when pulled up for breaking the rules of copywrite, website advertisment etc. through pure ignorance of the rules.

They would know where they stood from the offset and the welcoming post would serve as a reminder to us all.

Yes, good one Bob. (Applause) I fully support the idea .

Chris.

Santos
22nd June 2005, 21:20
Dave, nothing personal taken, you are entitled to your views as much as anyone, thats what makes this site great. I understand and accept your feelings completely.

I am not totally against personal greetings, however I do see instances which I consider to be sad. These are when someone introduces themselves and gets a few welcomes, one of which is nearly always a Moderator. Then half an hour later someone else introduces themselves and gets twice as many welcomes (one of which is nearly always a Moderator ). I always feel sorry for the one who only got the few welcomes and wonder how they feel. Whats that Guy got that I hav'nt ?. ( You can see one tonight, a difference of eight minutes and there is a difference of one welcoming post to ten welcoming posts)

I know everyone does it with the very best reasons and that is great but I still feel that a nice warm welcome from a Moderator and an introduction to the rules leaves nobody feeling miffed, if thats the norm. The normal banter soon takes over and everyone gets involved and gives as good as they get. Great stuff.

In relation to the Moderator informally introducing the rules, I am totally for that, as I said, it saves any embarassing gaffs by the newcomer and also serves as a timely reminder to us old hands, who may have forgotton some finer points ( senior moments we older people like to call them ). (Smoke)

Kind regards

Chris.

thunderd
23rd June 2005, 00:50
Are you really suggesting that everyone else shuts up and doesn't offer a personal welcome even if the new member's greeting does strike a chord?

If that is what you mean, then why bother doing anything personally at all. We can just have a process that automatically sends them a welcome email and points them to the rules. Why invite them to introduce themselves? We can settle for asking them to fill in their personal details and interests, then we can just read their profiles (something I do regularly).

All we would need to do is list the new members joining over some specified period, rather just naming the most recent joiner as we do today. Sounds pretty naff to me.

This sudden surge is a natural consequence of advertising the site and should be something we are pleased about. What about the self congratulatory countdown to the 1000th member ? Why have a restrictive new rule to cope with a self induced statistical anomaly?

On top of that it is pretty clear what are "Say Hello" messages, so all anyone has to do is ignore them. As far as I understand it, there isn't some quota that means something of more interest to someone is being blocked by Hellos. I really don't see the problem and I wonder where you think people are getting the idea that this is a wonderful friendly site, if not from the instant open armed welcome that all receive.

Nothing personal guys, but I really think you are way wrong.

Regards,
Dave

I totally agree Dave the welcome to new members has always been something I have admired about the site... as in life we are normally more comfortable in a place we are made to feel welcome, I also doubt if the calibre of person we get on this site will give a tinkers curse if they get 1 or 10 welcomes

flyer682
23rd June 2005, 10:49
I totally agree Dave the welcome to new members has always been something I have admired about the site... as in life we are normally more comfortable in a place we are made to feel welcome, I also doubt if the calibre of person we get on this site will give a tinkers curse if they get 1 or 10 welcomes
I totally agree with this viewpoint and thank the others for their input as well.
The status quo will remain.
(Fly)

Bob S
23rd June 2005, 12:18
I'm glad I kept my flack jacket on.
Just a suggestion but am more than happy to go with the Status Quo.

Santos
23rd June 2005, 20:22
Likewise I too am happy with the ' status quo ' --

Silly me did'nt wear a flack jacket, however if we all did'nt mention these things it would be a boring world.

Chris.

Steve
24th June 2005, 11:25
I think saying hello to someone who has been brave enough to say hello on what must be a daunting site on first joining,should be COMPULSERY BY EVERYONE !!
what a sad state of affairs if this site becomes " clicky " with little groups of people who think its ok just to read a hello message without replying!

Shame on those of you who do,you know who you are, (and so do I )!!

thunderd
24th June 2005, 13:56
well put mate well put .
It must be a bit scarey when you first join and when you get a good welcome makes all the difference
Ron

From experience I can tell you that nothing is as scary as posting a dodgy photo and getting caught by the image police LOL

thunderd
15th July 2005, 05:48
I've deliberately avoided this topic for some time, and for obvious reasons, but before someone opens up old sores you need look at the context of the remark and understand it was written when I was pretty new to the site and possibly not aware of the strong feelings on the subject. If it caused any offence or dissention I deeply regret it and apologise for it, and I personally would like to get back to what we all do so well, sharing a passion for ships.

Doug Rogers
15th July 2005, 06:01
I've deliberately avoided this topic for some time, and for obvious reasons, but before someone opens up old sores you need look at the context of the remark and understand it was written when I was pretty new to the site and possibly not aware of the strong feelings on the subject. If it caused any offence or dissention I deeply regret it and apologise for it, and I personally would like to get back to what we all do so well, sharing a passion for ships.

Generously said Derek and very very true....thats what we are ALL best at!!

KIWI
20th March 2006, 03:01
Not entirely related to the subject & it has been raised before but I feel members profiles are important.One of many attractions this site has is the chance of contacting old shipmates but this of course is difficult if a nom de plume is used & no background is available.In making this comment I fully realise that the option of anominity rests fully with the member.Often I will read a posting & look up the members profile to get further background only to find nothing there. KIWI

Coastie
20th March 2006, 03:20
I agree Kiwi, it can be frustrating sometimes if you think you know someone only to look at their profile and find nothing entered.

gdynia
20th March 2006, 05:11
I personaly think its a trait with Seamen no matter from what part of the world they come from.Always the first to welcome another member of the fraternity whether it be on a website or a foreign port. As my old Grandfather said we are all Brothers of the Sea,always the first to lend a hand and the most compasionate group of people anyone could meet.An example of this is ship research ,look how many members go out their way to help others gain information.Its a thing we should not change but only make better.

Hugh MacLean
20th March 2006, 16:27
I personaly think its a trait with Seamen no matter from what part of the world they come from.Always the first to welcome another member of the fraternity whether it be on a website or a foreign port. As my old Grandfather said we are all Brothers of the Sea,always the first to lend a hand and the most compasionate group of people anyone could meet.An example of this is ship research ,look how many members go out their way to help others gain information.Its a thing we should not change but only make better."Hear, Hear!"

Rgds

ruud
20th March 2006, 16:47
Ahoy,

It still works better, if the person/member put some details in their profile,it won't hurt him,and it's nicer to know for whom you're doing research, but most of all a sort of education.That's how I've been told, long time ago.

jim barnes
20th March 2006, 19:16
maybe a pre recorded standard message from moderators regarding suggestions and postings.and still open to welcomes from the rest who wish to welcome..it's not compulsory after all ! (Thumb)

benjidog
20th March 2006, 23:58
I always check the profile of new members and, if they have not completed it, suggest nicely that they might like to do so after settling in to the site as part of a message of greeting.

Ultimately it is up to them - some people are new to this kind of interaction and are afraid of making fools of themselves. Hopefully after a while they will feel comfortable enough to put in more details.

Of course many of us have no qualms in making fools of our selves - it has never bothered me! (*))

Brian

jim barnes
21st March 2006, 01:57
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By Benjydog
Of course many of us have no qualms in making fools of our selves - it has never bothered me! (*))

Brian never made a fool of myself...was born that way (*)) JIM

vix
21st March 2006, 07:48
I wonder if the moderators aren't taking things to extremes? I've been wondering why the **** suddenly appeared within certain words that obviously weren't rude...I have now discovered the word a**e is expurgated before publication...about the word itself, I don't really care but when an ancient French city (admitedly the world's porn centre, or was) suddenly becomes part of censorship...I think it's taking censorship a wee bit too far...this is my personal opinion! Vix

thunderd
21st March 2006, 08:26
vix I think you may find the changes to words comes from the site ISP and not your wonderful, fault free mods LOL.

benjidog
21st March 2006, 23:06
Vix,

Derek is quite right- it is not politically correct moderators, but the software that supports SN that does this. It does have strange results at times and I have moaned about it as well in the past. The problem is that we don't want to have offensive stuff on the site as it can be viewed by children and ladies of a delicate nature like CED. (*))

So if I start ****ing about or refer to the Right Hon member for S****horpe it has just the same effect on my postings as on yours as you can see from this posting. It picks up the "naughty" words even when embedded in other words.

The Mods do not have time to look for naughty bits in every posting as there are so many of them. It is just something you have to get used to and bear with in the interest of the common good.

Regards,

Brian

tell
22nd March 2006, 01:31
I remember getting into hot water on one site for saying Faggots, I was using the word in the food nomenclature

vix
22nd March 2006, 07:36
I remember getting into hot water on one site for saying Faggots, I was using the word in the food nomenclature
Point taken; a fellow was taken to task out here for saying something about a 'Nigger in a woodpile' no explaining would do!! Another fellow failed a very important exam because he called a manhole just that...instead of an inspection plate! PC gone mad?? Vix P.S. I never realised S****horpe was such a sexy place? But then I'm pure at heart!! LOL (K)