Letterewe and Prince Patrick of Mandal

imnotasaint
5th October 2008, 14:14
Anyone heard of sailing ships called Letterewe and Prince Patrick of Mandal? These are mentioned in my grandad's discharge book dating fromthe 1880's, he went to Adelaide on the Letterewe and to Arendal in Norway on the Prince Patrick. Have seen a picture of the Letterwe on the internet courtesy of the museum of s australia but can't find any reference to the Prince Patrick anywhere. Letterewe seems to have been a metal ship not wood, possibly went to Australia for grain or wool?

mflapan
11th October 2008, 13:04
The following information on the Letterewe is from a register of Iron, Steel and Composite Square-riggers that I have been compiling. The reference Mls means that the Mitchell Library (in Sydney, Australia) Small Photos collection has a photo of this vessel.

I have not found a reference to a Prince Patrick. Possibly she was made of timber and hence not eligible for my register. Alternatively, could the ship have been the Prince Robert built in 1893 that was owned in Norway?

I would be grateful to receive any information from your grandfather's discharges. It could provide further information that might be of interest to others.

Hope you find the information of interest.

Best regards
Mori

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Name: Letterewe

Later names {also Sail or Rego or Fishing No}: Anirac-a02b09 Henriette-a09p25 Vittoria-a09p25 Sarita-a09p25 ss Freixas 1-a09b25b31

Material: Iron
Rig: Barque Rig changes & identification codes: #(5?)5.b Steamer a09b25
Type: <UNKNOWN> Propulsion: Sail
Designer: <UNKNOWN>
Year built: 1876/12 Yard or Job No: 66
Builder: Potter, W.H. &Co
Where built: Liverpool, UK

Official Number: 76394 IMO Number: 0
Dimensions (ft)—Length: 191 Breadth: 33.299999 Depth: 19
Volumetric ‘tonnage’ measurements (1 ton = 100 cubic ft):
Gross: 829 Underdeck: 780 Net: 798

Decks: 1Dk 2trB Deck Erections: Q45' Fa
Number of funnels &location: <UNKNOWN or N/A> Number of bulkheads: 1
Tanks, etc: 8" Freeboard: 3' 7"

Stem: <UNKNOWN> Figurehead: <UNKNOWN> Stern: <UNKNOWN>

PORTS and owners: LIVERPOOLb80 I.Dixon &Co: b85 J.Hargrove: b90b98b02 J.Dowie &Co: GENOAb09 P.Schiaffino fuG: BARCELONA,SPAINb25 Naviera Catalafia (E.Freixas, mgr) (steamer): b31 Naviera Catalana (E.Freixas, mgr)

Fate/Status— Year: a1909p1925 Type: Steamship Details: Converted to steamer after 1909 &by 1925.

History and details: 1887 London-Wellington 102dys. 808g/777n by L90. 829g/798n FB 3' 8˝" by L98. 804g/762ud/721n o/n i499 by L09. 944g/754n iron screw steamer, T.3Cy.13˝", 21" &35"-22" Emade90 NB04 57nhp A.Shanks &Sons, wireless by L25.

References (see http://www.boatregister.net/RANZS_References.htm): L80,85,90,98,02,09,25,31:Chu2:Mls1(P) Check L14,19. L25,31 does not mention name Anirac.
Weblink:
Research notes: L19

mflapan
11th October 2008, 13:32
I have been able to update the entry for the Letterewe thanks to the Miramar Ship Index at: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/

Note that she was apparently scrapped as late as 1963.

Regards
Mori

Name: Letterewe
Later names {also Sail or Rego or Fishing No}: Anirac-'06b09 Henriette-a09p19 ss Vittoria-'19 ss Sarita-'24 ss Freixas 1-'25b25b31 Astur-'32

Material: Iron
Rig: Barque Rig changes & identification codes: #(5?)5.b Steamer a09b25
Type: <UNKNOWN> Propulsion: Sail
Designer: <UNKNOWN>

Year built: 1876/12 Yard or Job No: 66
Builder: Potter, W.H. &Co
Where built: Liverpool, UK

Official Number: 76394 IMO Number: 0
Dimensions (ft)—Length: 191 Breadth: 33.299999 Depth: 19
Volumetric ‘tonnage’ measurements (1 ton = 100 cubic ft):
Gross: 829 Underdeck: 780 Net: 798

Decks: 1Dk 2trB Deck Erections: Q45' Fa
Number of funnels &location: 0 Number of bulkheads: 1
Tanks, etc: bar keel 8" Freeboard: 3' 7"
Stem: <UNKNOWN> Figurehead: <UNKNOWN> Stern: <UNKNOWN>

PORTS and owners: LIVERPOOL'77b80 I.Dixon &Co: b85 J.Hargrove: b90b98b02 J.Dowie &Co: GENOA'06b09 P.Schiaffino fuG: ?'19 M.Allende &Co: BARCELONA,SPAIN'25b25 Naviera Catalafia (E.Freixas, mgr) (steamer): b31 Naviera Catalana (E.Freixas, mgr): '32 S.Rivera Moran

Fate/Status— Year: 1963/05/22 Type: B/U Details: Broken up at Bilbao, Spain

History and details: 1887 London-Wellington 102dys. 808g/777n by L90. 829g/798n FB 3' 8˝" by L98. 804g/762ud/721n o/n i499 by L09. 1919 converted to screw steamer, 906g, single screw, T.3Cy.13˝", 21" &35"-22" Emade90 NB04 57nhp A.Shanks &Sons. 944g/754n & wireless by L25.

References (see http://www.boatregister.net/RANZS_References.htm): L80,85,90,98,02,09,25,31:Chu2:Mls1(P):Msi1

Weblink:
Research notes: Check L14,19. L25,31 does not mention name Anirac.

stein
11th October 2008, 15:06
Prince Patrick was built of wood by Vail & Moran, St. Martins in 1865 of 1059 reg. tons, 178.3 feet, for James H. Moran, St. Martins, N.B. She was sold to Norway in 1886 and condemned in September 1901. Here's a few more figures (clicking on her name on top of the page will give you a weak painting): http://www.atlantictallships.ca/gallery.php?action=display&OutputType=Ships&ID=384&lang=e Regards, Stein.

mflapan
11th October 2008, 21:38
Some photos of the Letterewe can be viewed at:

http://www.pictureaustralia.org

One of them is in Port Adelaide.

Just search under the name.

Regards
Mori

imnotasaint
4th March 2009, 13:11
Thanks everyone for the information. I already found some of the info on Letterewe for myself, but have never found a single thing about Prince Patrick of Mandal until now. I will let you have some info from my grandfather's discharge book soon. He mainly shipped on steam ships but there were a few sailing ships as well. He spent some time based at San Francisco going back and fro to Hawaii. He was born in 1873 and died in 1921 of Bright's disease (partly alcohol related I think and partly due to frequent exposure working on sailing ships and on salvage jobs).