Bolton Shipping Co Ltd

gadgee
6th September 2005, 19:56
Anyone remember Bolton Shipping Company with ships like Reynolds and Rossetti. Obituary in The Times today to Sir Frederic Bolton who died age 84 yrs. The Company was set up in 1874 but sold its last two ships RubensIV and Reynolds V in 1982. He was one time Chairman of many maritime organisations including BP tankers and British Rail Shipping.

backsplice
7th September 2005, 11:06
hi gadgee ..........I did 1 trip on the Gas Turbine "Rembrandt" at the cuba crisis not a bad mob !!!!

P.CHARNLEY
16th March 2007, 14:52
Anyone remember Bolton Shipping Company with ships like Reynolds and Rossetti. Obituary in The Times today to Sir Frederic Bolton who died age 84 yrs. The Company was set up in 1874 but sold its last two ships RubensIV and Reynolds V in 1982. He was one time Chairman of many maritime organisations including BP tankers and British Rail Shipping.

Only just joined this site but yes I remember those ships well. I sailed on Rubens, Reynols and Rossetti (1974-1980). Only met 'Tim' once as only being a lowly 4th eng at the time of the launching of the Rossetti I was kept quietly out the way.
Regards
P.Charnley

maritiem
5th January 2008, 09:41
Short History of Bolton Steam Shipping Co.

Bolton Steam Shipping Co. Ltd originated from 1885 when Frederick Bolton formed a partnership with Louis T. Bartholomew as Frederic Bolton & Company and ordered a steamer from J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland. She was delivered in June 1885 as the RAPHAEL (1).
Followed by the REMBRANDT (1) in August 1886 and the RUBENS (1) in July 1887 and the RUYSDAEL (1) in September 1888.
The ships were used in the Tramping trades.

Two more tramp ships were delivered from J.L. Thompson & Sons n 1893 and 1894, Sunderland, the ROMNEY (1) and ROSSETTI (1).

Henry Kenneth joined as a partner in 1887 but could not get on with Louis T. Bartholomew and Frederick bought Kenneth out in 1897 and formed the Bolton Steam Shipping Company Ltd.

Another three tramp ships were delivered from J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland in 1898, 1902 and 1904 ( REYNOLDS (1), RAMSAY (1) and RIBERA (1)).

The RAPHAEL (1), REMBRANDT (1), RUBENS (1) and RUYSDAEL (1) were sold to Chile in 1906 and a new tramp ship built by William Gray and Sons, West Hartlepool the RUBENS (2) joined the fleet.

Also in 1906 Frederick’s two sons Eric and Louis Hamilton were made partner.
In January a new RUYSDAEL (2) was delivered from William Gray and Sons, West Hartlepool.

By the beginning of World War 1 the company owned seven tramp ships.

In August 1914 the RUBENS (2) was captured at Hamburg.
On 27.9.1914 the RIBERA (1) was captured by the German cruiser Emden in the Indian Ocean.
The RUYSDAEL (2) was detained at a Finnish port, where she lay until November 1916, on arrival home she was sold to A.D. Axarlis, London and was torpedoed and sunk in September 1918.
In 1915 a new RIBERA (2) was delivered from William Gray and Sons, West Hartlepool, but ROMNEY (1), ROSSETTI (1) and REYNOLDS (1) were sold in 1915/1916.
Eric Bolton had been killed earlier in the war and the company went into voluntary liquidation on 12th September 1917. The RAMSAY (1) was sold to B.J. Sutherland at Newcastle and the RIBERA (2) to other British owners.

In February 1920 Frederick died and in November 1921 Louis Hamilton restarted the company with the purchase of two second hand tramps from the Shipping Controller and were renamed RUBENS (3) and RIBERA (3) and another bought from the Well Line renamed RUYSDAEL (3)
( ex BLACKWELL). A new ships was bought while building from Bartram & Sons at Sunderland and renamed RAMSAY (2).

In February 1927 a new REYNOLDS (2) was completed at R. Duncan at Port Glasgow.
She was followed by two sisters in May 1929 and March 1930 the ROMNEY (2) and RAMSAY (3).

The RUBENS (3), RUYSDAEL (3) and RAMSAY (2) were sold in 1927, 1929 and 1928 and the RIBERA (3) was laid up in 1930 and scrapped in 1931.

By the beginning of World War 2 the company owned three tramp ships.

On 9.6.1942 the RAMSAY (3) was torpedoed and sunk by German submarine in the Atlantic while in convoy ONS 100.
On 31.10.1942 the REYNOLDS (2) was torpedoed and sunk by German submarine South of Madagascar.

Two sister ships the RIBERA (4) and REMBRANDT (2) were completed in 1940 and 1941 at the Lithgows yard at Port Glasgow.
Two standard Ocean’s were managed for the Government.

The managed OCEAN VIGIL was purchased in 1946 and renamed RAMSAY (4), while a sister was purchased in 1947 and renamed RUYSDAEL (4) ( ex OCEAN WANDERER).
The managed liberty SAMCEBU was also purchased in 1947 and renamed REYNOLDS (3).
The ROMNEY (2) was sold to Greece in 1949 and was replaced by the RAPHAEL (2) (ex OCEAN VAGRANT).
The EMPIRE MARTABAN was taken on a bare boat charter from 1946 till 1951 with an option to purchase which was taken up in 1951 but immediately resold to other London owners.

New ships were built in 1952 and 1953, the RAMSAY (5) and REYNOLDS (4).

Louis Hamilton died in 1953 and was succeeded by his son Frederic B. Bolton.

The ROMANIC joined the fleet in 1954 and was chartered to Shaw, Savill and Albion.

A new company the North Yorkshire Shipping Company Ltd was started in 1954 to transport ore for BISCO and orders were placed for four ore carriers ( REDCAR, RIBBLEHEAD, RIPON and RIEVAULX).

The RIBERA (4) and REMBRANDT (2) was sold in 1955 and 1957 to Greece.
A new RUYSDAEL (5) entered service in 1957, followed by the REMBRANDT (3) in 1960 which had gas turbines engines placed right aft, this was not a great succes and the ship was sold in 1967 with considerable loss.

Te RAMSAY (5), REYNOLDS (4) and ROMANIC were sold in the early sixties and the RUYSDAEL (5) followed in 1968.

In June 1965 the company enterde the bulk trade with the delivery of the RIBERA (5) from Smiths Dock Co., Middlesbrough.
The RIBERA (5) was sold in 1973 and replaced with two new bulkers the ROSSETTI (2) and REYNOLDS (5). Also a new funnelmarking was used with the houseflag instead of a all black funnel.
A third sister ship of the two previously built ships joined the the fleet in 1976 as RUBENS (4).
However the markt collapsed and Frederic B. Bolton was forced to sell his ships.
The ROSSETTI (2) was sold in 1978 and also the REYNOLDS (5) was sold and chartered back.
However the debt was still mounting and in 1982 they were bought by Nosira Shipping (Carnival Cruises Line Group) with Carnival in turn selling them both in 1987 to the Mountleigh Group. Whilst part of the Carnival Group the Bolton Maritime Management Ltd. was set up to manage the fleets of Bolton Steamship and Nosira Shipping but these two have gone out of ship-owning soon after and by 1992 and the management company was noted in Lloyds Shipowners acting for a non related company.

Fleetlist

Name Built Builder History Tons
Raphael (1) 1885 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1906 sold to Chile renamed Presidente Bulnes 1,860
Rembrandt (1) 1886 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1906 sold to Chile renamed Presidente Prieto 1,828
Rubens (1) 1887 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1906 sold to Chile renamed Presidente Manuel 2,077
Ruysdael (1) 1888 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1906 sold to Chile renamed General Freire 2,095
Romney (1) 1893 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1915 sold to Transport & Trading Co., London 2,806
Rossetti (1) 1894 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1915 sold to Cambo Shipping Co., Cardiff 2,080
Reynolds (1) 1898 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1916 sold to Watts, Watts & Co. renamed Chertsey, 26.4.1917 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine. 3,264
Ramsay (1) 1902 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1917 sold to B.J. Sutherland renamed Caithness, 1919 sold to J. Griffiths, Cardiff. 4,318
Ribera (1) 1904 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 27.9.1914 sunk by German cruiser Emden in Indian Ocean. 3,500
Rubens (2) 1906 Wm Gray & Co Ltd, West Hartlepool 4.8.1914 seized at Hamburg, fitted out as a blockade runner to supply the German cruiser Konigsberg, blockaded in the Rufiji River but was caught of the African coast and was scuttled by her own crew to avoid capture. 3,587
Ruysdael (2) 1912 Wm Gray & Co Ltd, West Hartlepool 1916 sold to A.D. Axarlis, London and was September 1918 torpedoed and sunk. 3,478
Ribera (2) 1915 Wm Gray & Co Ltd, West Hartlepool 1917 sold renamed Glorose 3,511
Rubens (3) 1905 D. & W. Henderson & Co Ltd., Glasgow Ex Armanistan built for Frank C. Strick, 1906 sold to Dampfschiffs Reederei Union A.G., Germany renamed Wellgunde, 1912 sold to Continentale Rhederei renamed Heimfeld, 1914 sold to Deutsche Levante Linie renamed Pera, 1919 allocated to Great Britain, 1921 sold to Bolton SS Co. renamed Rubens, 1927 sold to Greece renamed Ioannis Corcodilos, 1934 scrapped. 4,071
Ribera (3) 1907 Flensburger Schiffsbau Gesellschaft, Flensburg Ex Hanau built for Deutsch Australische DG, Hamburg, 1919 allocated to Great Britain, 1921 sold to Bolton SS Co. renamed Ribera, 1931 laid up, 1931 scrapped. 4,221
Ruysdael (3) 1907 J.L. Thompson & Sons, Sunderland Ex Blackwell, 1921 purchased from Well Line renamed Ruysdael, 1929 sold to Italy renamed Iris 4,712
Ramsay (2) 1921 Bartram & Sons Ltd., Sunderland 1929 sold to Scheepvaart Mij. Millingen, Rotterdam renamed Kerkplein, 1940 seized by Germans in service as a transport ship RO 23, 1945 recovered at Christiansand, 1945 repaired and back in service, 1947 sold to Van Ommeren renamed Ossendrecht, 1950 sold to Germany renamed Alstertor, 1953 scrapped Bremerhaven. 5,053
Reynolds (2) 1927 R. Duncan & Co., Port Glasgow 31.10.1942 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.504 and lost with all hands, south of Madagascar. 5,024
Romney (2) 1929 R. Duncan & Co., Port Glasgow 1949 sold to A.G. Tsavliris, Greece for scrapping renamed Granny Suzanne, but resold in 1950 to Ernst Komrowski, Bremen renamed Montan, 1954 sold to Kyrtatas Brothers renamed Antonios A. Kyrtatas, 1960 scrapped at Hamburg. 5,840
Ramsay (3) 1930 R. Duncan & Co., Port Glasgow 9.6.1942 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.94 while in convoy ONS100 with the loss of 40 lives. 4,855
Ribera (4) 1940 Lithgows Ltd., Port Glasgow 1955 sold to Goulandris Bros renamed Okeanis, 1959 sold to SOARMA, Italy renamed Jolanda, 1964 sold not renamed, 1971 scrapped at Split. 5,593
Rembrandt (2) 1941 Lithgows Ltd., Port Glasgow 1957 sold to Navigation Transport Co., Greece renamed Capetan Antonis, 1963 renamed Mastromitsos, 1965 sold same name, 1967 scrapped at Kaohsiung. 5,588
Ramsay (4) 1941 Permanente Metals Corp., Richmond, California Ex Ocean Vigil, 1946 purchased from British Government renamed Ramsay, 1951 sold to Cia.Nav.Maropan S.A, Panama renamed Stork, 1955 to Cia.Maritima de Nav. Conval.S.A., Panama, 1960 sold to Derna Cia.Nav, Panama renamed Roumeli, 03.02.1963 aground while leaving drydock at Gijon, 11.02.1963 refloated, 21.02.1963 beached, CTL, sold for scrap in situ. 7,111
Reynolds (3) 1944 Southeastem S.B. Corp., Savannah Ex Samcebu standard ship type Liberty, 1947 purchased from British Government renamed Reynolds, 1951 sold renamed St. Nicholas, 1956 sold to Greece renamed Panagos, 1959 sold renamed Amazon, 24.12.1963 aground near Cape Bon, bound from Italy to Buenos Aires, refloated, and broken up Spezia 1964. 7,219
Ruysdael (4) 1942 Todd-Bath Iron S.B. Corp., Portland, Maine Ex Ocean Wanderer, 1947 purchased from British Government renamed Ruysdael, 1951 sold to Kronos Cia Nav S.A., Panama renamed Santa Irene, 02.11.1962 aground Los Cabezos Shoal, 4 miles West of Tarifa, 09.11.1962 broke in two, CTL. 7,118
Raphael (2) 1942 Permanente Metals Corp., Richmond, California Ex Ocean Vagrant built British Government, ex Atlantic Vagrant 1948, 1949 purchased from Baltic Shipping Co, Newcastle renamed Raphael, 1951 sold to Cia.de Vapores S.A., Panama renamed Siram, 1961 sold to Syramar Cia.Nav.S.A., Panama renamed Syros, 1968 scrapped at Shanghai. 7,146
Empire Martaban 1944 Burntisland Shipbuilding Co. Ltd., Burntisland Ex Empire Martaban built for British Government (MOWT), 1951 purchased after finishing bare boat charter and sold to Aviation & Shipping Co, London renamed Avistone, 1959 sold to Faik Zeren, Istanbul renamed Turkiye, 1972 scrapped at Istanbul. 7,542
Ramsay (5) 1952 Smith's Dock Company, Middlesborough 1960 sold to United Oriental Steamship Co., Pakistan renamed Anisbakshi 6,273
Reynolds (4) 1953 W. Pickersgill & Sons Ltd., Sunderland 1961 sold to United Oriental Steamship Co., Pakistan renamed Imtiazbaksh, 1976 scrapped in Pakistan. 6,247
Romanic 1954 Smith's Dock Company, Middlesborough Intendend name Ruysdael, by completion chartered to Shaw, Savill & Albion as Romanic, 1961 sold to Greece renamed Plate Clipper. 6,320
Ruysdael (5) 1957 Smith's Dock Company, Middlesborough 1968 sold to Greece renamed Aristides Xilas 6,452
Rembrandt (3) 1960 Smith's Dock Company, Middlesborough 1967 sold to Greece converted into a motorship renamed Galini 8,104
Ribera (5) 1965 Smith's Dock Company, Middlesborough 1973 sold to the Ben Line Steamers renamed Benvorlich, 1976 sold to peoples Republic of China and renamed Kang Hai, 1976 owners titles China Ocean Shipping Co., 1983 owners now Shanghai Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO -Shanghai). 18,088
Rossetti (2) 1973 Boelwerf N.V., Temse 1978 sold renamed Carefowl 17,996
Reynolds (5) 1973 Boelwerf N.V., Temse 1978 sold and chartered back, 1987 sold to Malta renamed Seaduty, 1989 sold to Greece renamed Predator, 1993 sold to Cyprus renamed Trias, 1993 sold to peoples Republic of China and renamed Gueng Shen. 18,025
Rubens (4) 1976 Boelwerf N.V., Temse 1988 sold renamed Laura C, later Ziya K, later The Med, scrapped in China. 17,996

Mainsource
Travel of the Tramps, twenty Tramp fleets Vol. I, N.L. Middlemiss, Shield Publication, 1989/1991.
Regards
Henk Jungerius

tanker
5th January 2008, 14:55
For you.
Gp

R58484956
5th January 2008, 16:06
Maritiem (Henke) Thank you very much for a very comprehensive history of Boltons. It took a lot of typing.

mikematthews
5th January 2008, 18:21
Anyone got a photo of the 1953 REYNOLDS please as my dad sailed in her.

Riptide
5th January 2008, 20:09
I sailed on the M.V.Rievaulx,North Yorkshire Shipping Co.which was mannaged by Boltons 1963.Any one Know Them.Kenny.

Baltic Wal
6th January 2008, 18:48
I sailed on the M.V.Rievaulx,North Yorkshire Shipping Co.which was mannaged by Boltons 1963.Any one Know Them.Kenny.

I dis two six months spells on the RIEVAULX during my apprenticeship with Boltons, the first February 61 until October 61 then after 6 months on the RUYSDAEL was on her from May 62 until November 62. Very happy ship and did some interesting ports. Casablanca for two weeks, because the king had died. Algiers while the French Officers were blowing the place up and my last voyage was to Port Elizabeth where the ore was loaded from train by hand. 10 days to load was quite a change from the previous two voyages to Sept Isle

Very good Company to work for. Didn't have anything to do with Fred, as a lowly apprentice, but had P B Arthur come on board on my first ship to appologise to me on behalf of the Company due to the actions of the Captain. The incident had been seen and reported by the NUS Rep.

Polarum
6th March 2008, 19:41
I sailed as an apprentice on the Rievaulx back in the late 50's. The other day, whilst helping out in a local charity shop, I discovered that the mother of one of the volunteers had launched the Rievaulx in 1957. Her father had been chairman of BISCO. She still had the commemorative album from the launching and here are four photos from it. They show the launch, the fordeck, the apprentices' cabin and the saloon. I haven't posted the launch party - just the usual suspects, Tim Bolton and the much-loved Grierson etc. I left Boltons to work for Black Star Line - a bad bad move, Later worked for a circus which was infinitely better.(Jester)

johno245
26th May 2008, 11:39
G,day
my dad sailed on the rembrandt many times in or around 1952 as an engineer.i have some bad photo copies of his discharge papers.
i have been looking for some pics of this bolton ship but have only found pics of rembrandt built 1960 smiths docks. thats where dad did his time but that could not be the ship , must of been an earlier rembrandt.
dad did have a lot of b/w photos of ships he sailed on but we lost most of that stuff in the floods in brisbane in the 70s.

john ramsay

IAINT
26th May 2008, 19:52
Hi All

Sailed on the RIEVAULX as RO from 4-9-67 to 4-12-67. Did two trips on her the last if i can remember was to Victoria in Brazil - everybody liked that port - i wonder why - was the only ship i ever had a junior.

Regards
Iain T

MIKE_RIP
3rd June 2008, 07:21
Hi, to those that knew "Mike Muller" of Bolton Steamship, Bolton Martitime Managent, Nosira Shipping, Carnival Cruise Lines, Windstar, Holland America Lines, Merchant Navy, General Council of British Shipping, Baltic Exchange etc ... he passed away on the 2nd of June 2008

Dave Edge
4th June 2008, 05:19
johno245,
Many moons ago I posted a photo of a Greek ship named Mastromitsos which was formerly the Rembrandt in which your Dad sailed. Not quite the same as having her as Rembrandt but better than nothing.

MIKE_RIP
6th June 2008, 07:58
I think the reference to P B Arthur was for a Peter Arthur - a lovely man if I recall.

Lloyd Housley
18th June 2008, 14:29
Hi, to those that knew "Mike Muller" of Bolton Steamship, Bolton Martitime Managent, Nosira Shipping, Carnival Cruise Lines, Windstar, Holland America Lines, Merchant Navy, General Council of British Shipping, Baltic Exchange etc ... he passed away on the 2nd of June 2008

That came as quite a shock. I have only just recently started to use this site and to see a name from the past, whom I always remember as a young man, to have passed away is very sad.
I met him extensively when I was an engineer cadet with Boltons. He was a perfect gentleman and always treated our shenanigans with good humour. What a really good and fair guy he was.

NFBolton
17th November 2008, 23:28
I have recently joined this site having stumbled across it totally by accident. I was therefore amazed to come across all the reference to Bolton's and the wealth of information for historical to personal contained within the thread. Sir Frederic (or 'Tim') was my late father and he would have been immensely gratified to have known that there was such a community of ex-Boltons out there. The company was his life and he loved every minute of being there (it made family holidays interesting as he quickly had to disappear to check into the office) and certainly after he retired he spent many many days digging through old records and collating information on the history of the company to ensure he had as much of it as possible. Therefore, although I have not been through all the documents and pictures he had, I am sure that somewhere there will be copies of pictures of many of the ships, especially the later ones. I am too young to remember any of them, but as a young child I remember attending the launch of the Rubens, launched by my mother. I would be happy (with a little time) to see what I can dig out by way of pictures and let you know.

In the meantime, I met Mike Muller briefly at the start of my brief career in the shipping industry and certainly remember him as a kind, thoughtful, and incredibly knowledgable man. My belated thoughts and those of all my family are with him and his.

Wallyh
20th November 2008, 07:30
Not a Boltons person did my time with Smiths however sailed with Mike Gator on the Vancouver City I think around 1971/2 he was the Mate know he came from Boltons think he went back there anybody have any news of him?

Wallyh

TMW
25th November 2008, 09:59
Mike recruited me to work for him when Bolton Martime Management was formed, I stayed with him for many years at Boltons and Carnival. Boltons was a marvellous place to work with such gentlemen as Tim Bolton, Peter Arthur and Mike, there was also Ted Arison, who we occasionally met, and he also was from the same mould as the others. They have all gone now as has their era of caring management that once was the British Shipping Industry - RIP

RC

Philip Pick
27th November 2008, 18:28
Only just joined this site but yes I remember those ships well. I sailed on Rubens, Reynols and Rossetti (1974-1980). Only met 'Tim' once as only being a lowly 4th eng at the time of the launching of the Rossetti I was kept quietly out the way.
Regards
P.Charnley

Would I be addressing the famous 'George'? :) If so, I followed you through the cadetship process, although there was 1 (or was it 2) years between us. Small word, innit. . . .

Philip

cubpilot
28th November 2008, 11:09
I have just come across this forum whilst attempting to find pictures of the three bulkers, that i sailed on between 74 and 79 mostly as 2eng. To have an excuse to spend hours in the garden shed i have been making models of ships that i had sailed on and the current project is Rubens. ( i have a drawing for her but would prefer to do rossetti or reynolds but don't have drawings of the derrricks.)
i too can say that working for Bolton's was a happy experience and one one occasion met the boss and his wife. ended up chatting for quite a while as they knew my mother very well from the time they lived in northamptonshire.

On a sad note i have heard from Jim Cooper that John Parsloe passsed away recently whilst on a holiday in USA. Jim thinks that there will be a memorial service for him sometime in the spring in the Bristol area.

if you have not come across the book already there is an interesting account of life as deck apprentice on Rembrant just after ww2 by Stanley Roger Green titled Whither o Ship.

Howard Cox

TMW
12th December 2008, 09:38
I remember JP, he was a kind and considerate master who always cared for his crew as well as the company.
Plse give details of the memorial service when known.

RC

Laurence Foster
14th December 2008, 16:13
Hello all, just found this brilliant site whilst trying to research my family tree. My grandfather, Harry Liddell, was from Sunderland and worked with Bolton's as a 2nd Engineer for quite some time during and after the 2nd World War. I know that he sailed on Romney and Rembrandt and maybe one other ship during those years.

I know that he was involved in the convoys, and that at one time The Romney was reported lost in a storm, but she returned safe.

It's a slim chance after all these years, but if anybody knows anything about that era, or can point me towards other historical records / photos etc I'd be much obliged.

Regards

LF

Dotart
9th January 2009, 19:06
It is not suprising to have so many comments about Bolton Steamship Co,It was a good company with a long pedigree. I sailed on the Ruysdael, MTV Rembrandt, and with the North Eastern Steamship Co, managed by Boltons,the Ripon, Ribblehead. Great times

Regards
DA

Baltic Wal
14th January 2009, 18:56
It is not suprising to have so many comments about Bolton Steamship Co,It was a good company with a long pedigree. I sailed on the Ruysdael, MTV Rembrandt, and with the North Eastern Steamship Co, managed by Boltons,the Ripon, Ribblehead. Great times

Regards
DA

I sailed onall of those in the early 60's, may have come across one another. Ribblehead my first ship as an Apprentice, and the Rembrandt my first as 3rd Mate. And I was able to push that tempting emergency button when entering the Royal Docks.

It was North Yorkshire Shipping, Not North Eastern Steamships. Paert owned by Boltons, BISCO and Lithgows.

the_vietnam_bear
21st January 2009, 14:54
Looking a photo of the Ribblehead built 1957 in Lithgows, can either PM me or email to thevietnambear@yahoo.com

R58484956
21st January 2009, 16:39
tvb go to Http://www.photoship.co.uk

Polarum
26th January 2009, 21:10
It is not suprising to have so many comments about Bolton Steamship Co,It was a good company with a long pedigree. I sailed on the Ruysdael, MTV Rembrandt, and with the North Eastern Steamship Co, managed by Boltons,the Ripon, Ribblehead. Great times

Regards
DA

North Eastern? North Yorkshire surely? Bah Gum, lad, gerrit right!(Jester)

Polarum
31st January 2009, 21:13
Does anyone out there remember Captain Siddle? Hailing from the North East of England, he was a good master with a warm sense of humour. The crew respected his authority, possibly swayed by a rumour that he had once thrown an insolent deckhand over the side of the Ripon in Cardiff docks. Both his first and second mates were reformed alcoholics and he kept a kindly but watchful eye on them: woe betide anyone who brought any drink aboard one of his ships. He struggled to master the guitar and upon hearing that I owned one, sent me home at his expense to collect it. He wanted me to teach him the chords to “On the sunny side of the street’; this was his mother’s favourite song and he wanted to sing it to her on her eightieth birthday. Later, as a reward, he called me from my deck scrubbing duties to take the wheel and steer the ship past Lands End. ‘If you see any jagged rocks, lad, try to avoid them.’ It was a long time ago, but the pleasure of that moment has never faded.(Thumb)

tiachapman
3rd February 2009, 20:10
yes i remember him well ,he was master on the /ribera/ 1966.maiden voyage,smiths dock middlesbough /new orleans/japan,cargo of grain ,14months away paid off in Amsterdam.i seem to remember he was living in Boldon co/durham /chippy.

John Hamilton
24th February 2009, 11:45
Would I be addressing the famous 'George'? :) If so, I followed you through the cadetship process, although there was 1 (or was it 2) years between us. Small word, innit. . . .

Philip

Hello folks I was 5th engineer on the MV ripon 10,00 ton iron ore carrier typical run was Glasgow finneston quay narvick monrovia barry island rember it well my era 1970/71 any old crew members get in touch a photo would be nice

Simon C
26th February 2009, 13:47
I dis two six months spells on the RIEVAULX during my apprenticeship with Boltons, the first February 61 until October 61 then after 6 months on the RUYSDAEL was on her from May 62 until November 62. Very happy ship and did some interesting ports. Casablanca for two weeks, because the king had died. Algiers while the French Officers were blowing the place up and my last voyage was to Port Elizabeth where the ore was loaded from train by hand. 10 days to load was quite a change from the previous two voyages to Sept Isle

Very good Company to work for. Didn't have anything to do with Fred, as a lowly apprentice, but had P B Arthur come on board on my first ship to appologise to me on behalf of the Company due to the actions of the Captain. The incident had been seen and reported by the NUS Rep.
Kenny
I was with Boltons 1962-74. Also on Ruysdael about same time as you?
Simon C

Simon C
26th February 2009, 13:50
Does anyone out there remember Captain Siddle? Hailing from the North East of England, he was a good master with a warm sense of humour. The crew respected his authority, possibly swayed by a rumour that he had once thrown an insolent deckhand over the side of the Ripon in Cardiff docks. Both his first and second mates were reformed alcoholics and he kept a kindly but watchful eye on them: woe betide anyone who brought any drink aboard one of his ships. He struggled to master the guitar and upon hearing that I owned one, sent me home at his expense to collect it. He wanted me to teach him the chords to “On the sunny side of the street’; this was his mother’s favourite song and he wanted to sing it to her on her eightieth birthday. Later, as a reward, he called me from my deck scrubbing duties to take the wheel and steer the ship past Lands End. ‘If you see any jagged rocks, lad, try to avoid them.’ It was a long time ago, but the pleasure of that moment has never faded.(Thumb)
Polarum
Hope I wasn't one of the reformed alcoholics!
Simon C

Simon C
26th February 2009, 13:53
I sailed onall of those in the early 60's, may have come across one another. Ribblehead my first ship as an Apprentice, and the Rembrandt my first as 3rd Mate. And I was able to push that tempting emergency button when entering the Royal Docks.

It was North Yorkshire Shipping, Not North Eastern Steamships. Paert owned by Boltons, BISCO and Lithgows.
Also with Boltons at this time
Simon C

Baltic Wal
27th February 2009, 18:08
Kenny
I was with Boltons 1962-74. Also on Ruysdael about same time as you?
Simon C

When I was on the Ruysdael I did two grain trips to Baltimore then we had a Saguenay Chater. A very interesting trip. First port of call Barbados. They made the mistake of berthing us the night before they were working cargo. A move they regreted. All the crew were ashore that night on Bottle of rum and small coke. Following day while working cargo the Mate decided that the boot topping needed topping up. As was the tradition the name was normally painted on the side of the jetty. There we were in the new port later to be opened by the queen and after another lunch time session the AB decided to carry on the tradition. Unfortunately he wrote it on the new concrete berth and spelt it wrong. The 3rd attempt finished with a large puddle of boot topping where the Bosun had tipped the pot over his head. We sailed that evening with the majority of the crew sprawled on the deck, with just the master and 3rd mate on the bridge and minimum crew available even the cook had to help with getting the ship away. Can still remember tripping over crew as we were trying to recanvas the hatches. No modern gear on her.

Next port of call all the crew were swearing to have no more rum. That didn't last long for how can you avoid it on a good run ashore in Port of Spain, Trinidad.

I then left when we got to Ellesmere Port. Shame as the next trip was a Lamport & Holt charter.

Polarum
20th March 2009, 22:26
Polarum
Hope I wasn't one of the reformed alcoholics!
Simon C

Somehow I doubt it, Simon, unless you are over 100 years of age. I think the second mate was eventually dismissed for several shortcomings including handing his graveyard watch to a junior apprentice and going below for a kip. The chief mate, however, was definitely dismissed following arrest for assaulting the bass drummer in the Cardiff Salvation Army Band. I was there at the time - I didn't think the music was that bad. What a circus!(Jester)

Ian J. Huckin
23rd March 2009, 03:47
From: Ian J. Huckin

Boy oh boy, names from the past...was with Boltons from '68 thru '82. Rievaulx, Ribblehead, Rossetti, Reynolds, Rubens, Nosira Lyn and Nosira Sharon.

I heard from Malcom Gator that Capt. Siddle, Master on Rievaulx for my first trip to sea (with Tiny Tate) was still alive (2008) which makes him about 2 or 3 hundred years old. I see Big Lloyd, "George" (Charners...how's your liver doing?), Simon C (would that be Coates?) Mr. Cox, impossible...still pegging on eh?, and I see Phil Pick too. Just too great , brings back a flood of memories and hangovers.

Jimmy "Fiddler by name Fiddler by nature" passed on back in early '90s. I was C/E on a new Chiquita banana boat that drydocked NE and tried to get in touch with so many but seems that they were all moved on or had popped their clogs. Did meet with PAHJRS-S though (Sammy Sandvid) and he was still just as nutty....

So "Daisy" died too, great memories of him. Such a poof but a really good man. Remember Capt. Benjamin Lillivick???? yikes...scary. Then Jimmy Cooper's name reminded me of a true gentleman. I still remember what "a lady of the night" called him in Glasgow at the General Terminus........

I swallowed the anchor in '94 after a freak wave killed two of my buddies on board Chiquita Nederland. But I gave it 26 years and now wonder what I was thinking. Live on Kodiak Island out in the Gulf of Alaska. It's March 22nd and snowing like a b$@#&. Manage Power Stations....boring!!!!!!!

Would sincerely like to chat with any and all of you. Plenty more names to dredge up. Boy oh boy do I miss those trips up the Lakes......I have a hunting cabin in Wisconsin so drive up to Duluth/Superior on occasion, you would not recognize it. Gone are the Ore House, Yellow Submarine, Lamplighter etc. though the Duluth Radison still over looks the ariel lift bridge. Great times.

Drop me a line guys.....miss you all.

Ian

RO Vintage
23rd March 2009, 05:11
Hi

Sailed On The Ribblehead In The Early 1960s Got A Few Pics Of The Mate
And Second Mate , But The Names Have Faded From The Old Brain Box

George Ex marconi

Kev Bird
7th April 2009, 14:23
Hi Ian do you remember me Kevin (budgie) Bird sailed as caterer on Rubens Reynolds Nosira Lyn,Sharon & Madelaine from 1978-1989

Ian J. Huckin
9th April 2009, 20:26
Hello Kevin,

I remember the name, having a devil putting a face to it. You sailed many a Lakes trip, and I am thinking you were on Reynolds for Lulea one New Year, I was 2/E and Richard Avenin was mate....can't remember who Chief Steward was...Andie K??? Have I got it right. Check the Bolton S. S. Co. forum out, see who you remember.

No doubt you have some stories so come on in and share them....

Best wishes,

Ian

Billy1963
11th April 2009, 13:24
Hi Ian do you remember me Kevin (budgie) Bird sailed as caterer on Rubens Reynolds Nosira Lyn,Sharon & Madelaine from 1978-1989

Sailed on Reynolds twice 1981-82 as well as the Nosira Lin 1982 & Nosira Sharon 1983. Anyone remember me I was involved in a car crash in Vancouver while on the Lin and was in a collision on Reynolds with the Finnforrest in 1981 coming out of Le Havre.

Billy1963
11th April 2009, 13:38
. On a sad note i have heard from Jim Cooper that John Parsloe passsed away recently whilst on a holiday in USA. Jim thinks that there will be a memorial service for him sometime in the spring in the Bristol area.

John (Daisy) Parsloe was the Old Man when I was on the Nosira Lin in 1982. Got myself into some serious bother in Vancouver when me and a steward borrowed a pick up truck and crashed it on the docks (broke my femur in half) spent two weeks in hospital in Vancouver having my leg rebuilt, beore being flown home on a stretcher. The Old Man was brilliant even when the police came to hassle me, he scattered them and even signed me off articles in hospital.

Best six month trip I ever did, apart from the accident.

Ian J. Huckin
12th April 2009, 20:40
Billy1963,

I was 2/E on Reynolds 13Aug82 through 02Feb83, but I can't remember who the old man was.

Capt. Parsloe was known as "Daisy" or "Anglepoise" because he had a very dramatic flair to how he walked or stood. I realy like him, he was fair though sometimes a little aloof. When I was apprentice his eldest son (Richard?) sailed and I was put in charge of him so got to know Daisy pretty good.

Sad to hear of him passing...

Ian

pjr
23rd April 2009, 19:35
yes i remember him well ,he was master on the /ribera/ 1966.maiden voyage,smiths dock middlesbough /new orleans/japan,cargo of grain ,14months away paid off in Amsterdam.i seem to remember he was living in Boldon co/durham /chippy.

hi,i was on the maiden voyage of the ribera 1965 but rememember the master was called fraser. same voyage details though:new orleans/yokohama/kawasaki/yokouko/moji/kobe/vancouver.regards.

mcgurggle
25th April 2009, 07:58
If you want one of these Avatars, or similar, just go to the link below.
McG

kevsmith
27th April 2009, 19:57
was the stewards name kevin smith its my dad he hasn had a chance to come on yet he was just telling me about it!!

Billy1963
28th April 2009, 01:09
was the stewards name kevin smith its my dad he hasn had a chance to come on yet he was just telling me about it!!

Yeh, it was your Dad. £500 fine a piece, I lost my job with Boton's after that and still walk with a limp. He told me he could drive. One cold night that was. Never saw your Dad again after that but have had contact with a couple of other lads from that trip, Gordon Walker, Mick McLean.

Wait till I find the photographs :D

Billy1963
28th April 2009, 01:37
Me and your Dad, I'm the one asleep in the last photo on the left

Billy1963
29th April 2009, 11:05
Me Tommy & Kev in Japan (Nosira Lin 1982)

kevsmith
29th April 2009, 21:21
these photos are great apart from the car!! He looks so young. My dad was wondering if you knew how to get in contact with gordon?

Billy1963
1st May 2009, 13:29
these photos are great apart from the car!! He looks so young. My dad was wondering if you knew how to get in contact with gordon?

Afraid I have a new system and lost all my old email contacts. It was about 2 years ago I last spoke to him. He was living in the USA.

Billy1963
6th May 2009, 12:21
Gordon's been in touch with me and should of contacted you by PM.

In 1981/82 sailed with a young female cadet from Scotland named Sandie on the Reynolds. She left the ship in Alexandria after an accident in the swimming pool. I had been on the 12-4 afternoon watch and was given the job to soogie the pool out and fill up. Just as I had finished along comes Sandie does a back flip as the ship takes a roll and smashes her head off the side of the pool splitting her head wide open. After the initial panic a couple of us got her out and she was taken ashore by boat with head and neck injuries.

I then sailed with her again on the Nosira Sharon in 1983 and whilst going alongside in Charleston we got stuck on the bottom and tugs were sent to assist us alongside. We ran all ropes and wires out and the ropes were melting on the drum ends. Sandie goes and throws a turn off while still bar tight and the rope jumps takes her arm and either broke or dislocated it and again she is sent ashore.

Anyone know her and what ever happened to her.

kevsmith
6th May 2009, 15:21
hello billy boy,
Got in touch with Gordon, thanks alot. Are you still living in stockton?
I'm still living in sunderland. Dont know sandy. If your still in stockton we should meet up for a drink and smoke. Speak to you soon
kev.

Ian J. Huckin
6th May 2009, 17:00
Hey guys, check out Shipping Companies and there is a Boltons page there. Do you want me to ask Admin to merge these threads with that one?

I have a whole bunch of Boltons pics to post soon so keep yer eyes open..

Best wishes,

to all....

Ian

Billy1963
7th May 2009, 18:20
hello billy boy,
Got in touch with Gordon, thanks alot. Are you still living in stockton?
I'm still living in sunderland. Dont know sandy. If your still in stockton we should meet up for a drink and smoke. Speak to you soon
kev.

Yeah Kev!! still living in sunny Stockton. As fate would have it when I flew home and was on sick leave I met Gill in a night club, still on crutches and we have been together ever since, 26 years gone January. Never got married, but lived together 24 years and have a 14 year old son. Don't smoke no more gave up years ago. Still have a drink though.

Digging through some old paper work and found this. (see attach) I never learned to drive after this either.

Billy1963
7th May 2009, 18:44
No wonder I got the sack!!

Mind you went ashore the next night with a few of us and did the same bloody thing. Woke up in the Scandia Bar, no money to get back to the ship again!! Got rolled three time in twelve days if memory seves me right. Walking back to the ship which was some miles away, who appears out of the morning mist in an old orange VW, but me mate Gordon Walker, my hero, picks me up and off we drove into the sun. Gordon said he only recognised it was me by be white shaky boots I had on.

kevsmith
7th May 2009, 18:44
hi billy boy,
At least i was good for something. ie you meeting your mrs.
Yeah am married, for 25 yr now, got 3 kids eldest daughter natalie 24, 2nd daughter melanie 22, and a son k.c 18 and 3 grandkids.
Can't believe you never learned to drive!!! I'm a master at it! ha ha ha.
I left the shipping in 1985. Glad to here your doing o.k.
Would be great to meet up.
kev.

kevsmith
14th May 2009, 19:05
some photos i found.

Billy1963
15th May 2009, 16:46
Kev,

Been a long time since I was that slim. Found this other one from Japan, though I can't remember the names of the other two lads in the second photo. I know the lad on the far end was a steward and his nickname was sockeye as his surname was Salmon.

Billy1963
15th May 2009, 20:02
Gordon sent me these a couple of years ago of the fancy dress we had, though some names elude me. Can't remember what was going on in the last photo.

nomad
22nd May 2009, 23:00
Gordon sent me these a couple of years ago of the fancy dress we had, though some names elude me. Can't remember what was going on in the last photo.

hey billy
the bloke in the bar with sockeye was the chief cook paul richardson a geordie lad he is also the one in the blue hat
the other two in the fancy dress dave trainor sitting down and larry the chippy (can not remember his surname he was a geordie also
dave was the officers mess steward

PILL SHARK
24th July 2009, 04:53
Joined the Ribera 4 july Baton rouge anchored in river great firework show. Of to japan cant remember where.Drydock load steel for greece.Good crew except for the bosun right prat been a racing driver sheep farmer opel miner and a lot more strange never talked about which ships hed sailed on. I think he was non pool he only had the job because he could not pay off anywhere.Well payoff came round in Solonika told to get are gear ready for 9 the next day as a truck was going to take it to the airport and the crew would follow behind in a bus. ten past nine no truck but a handy bar on the jetty so needing refreshment we hit the bar as you do on payoff day. sometime later truck and bus arrive and off we go to airport and head for the bar there. The pilot came to the bar to tell us that he was ready to take off and there was plenty of beer on the plane. Of he goes like the pied piper followed in dribs and drabs by the crew.once we were in the the pilot had lied no beer but the damage had been done only one toilet one full crew who were also full. It was a old plane no jets and the toilet was a bucket with a seat that filled rapidly so to stop it from overflowing it was locked. I have never seen so many men and women in so much pain. In the end the pilot had to get permission to land somewhere in France some just made it down the gangway to runway.Great memories. Sorry to read captain parsleo past on he came from Bristol like me Clifton i think although i did not live faraway i never met him again.

tondav3137
30th September 2009, 19:44
Hi all, I did two trips on the Redcar in 1960 as chippy, Bidston Birkenhead to Seven Islands the back to Middlesborough then out to Vitoria and then back to Cardiff where I payed off. She was a good ship only draw back I never got ashore. I have some colour slides of the trips if any one would like some copy`s Tony D

Kipper Tranter
26th November 2009, 22:52
I sailed on the Reynolds 80/81, did I ever send you the photos Billy of you impersonating Shakin' Stevens?

Kipper 'Chris' Tranter

ray morgan
28th January 2011, 19:42
My brother Michael sailed on the "Rembrant,"early 1966,I was on the "La Primavera",one of BM's,we were in Vera Cruz,Mexico,and I was lying on my bunk having a read after dinner,before going ashore and I heard a voice asking in the alleyway was I aboard,my mother had told him I was.What a surprise he had just arrived on the "Rembrant", the Mardi Gras had just started,we had a memorably time.I don't were the "Rembrant",came from that trip or were she sailed to after Vera Cruz,I wondered if any Bolton Steamship men were on that trip,who are on this site.He was AB,died in Auckland 1976 aged 36yrs. sailing on Union Steam.

SJC
26th October 2012, 04:28
Came across this site by accident but found it very interesting as I worked on the other side from most of the contributions, in the office in London.
I was responsible for paying the Crew Allotments (before Boltons thought that was a small garden you grew vegetables in) I must admit that I did overpay some crew that haf signed off but fortunately it didn't involve a lot of money.
I worked with Arthur Judge, Eric Chesterman and Chris Mearns, don't know if they are still around. I also remember Mike Muller, he was very "cool" in those days and was sorry to read he had died.
My time at Boltons hold some fond memories of early working life in London before emigrating to Australia and would like to hear from anyone that may remember other staff during that time.
I seem to remember Reginald Pope was the MD and also remember Captain Parsloe.
Regards
Steve Coell

Tony Swan
30th October 2012, 04:27
I sailed on the M.V.Rievaulx,North Yorkshire Shipping Co.which was mannaged by Boltons 1963.Any one Know Them.Kenny.

Hi, Kenny. I started my Marine Engineering career on the M/V Rievaulx as a Junior Engineer.on the day after my 21st birthday ( 31st October 1959 ) - and, by the way, it is my 74th today !!. I joined the ship in West Hartlepool. My first trip was to Seven Islands ( Sept Illes in Canadian French ) in Labrador / Quebec. Through a hurricane on the way over - in ballast - and on the way back - loaded -to Glasgow. Sea sickness at it's most severe for days and days - and not one watch off ( I was on the 2nd's watch ). He taught me a lot and I got to know every bit of the Doxford, the auxilliaries, pumps, boiler and every inch of pipes and valves under the floorplates !!.
These four Iron Ore Carriers never knew until the last momement where they were going to load and deliver to ( back in the UK ) !!. My trips, after Seven Islands were to ( in order ) Pepel ( Sierra Leone ) - back to Barrow in Furness - Casablanca ( Morroco ) - back to Middlesborough, La Goulet ( Tunisia ) - back to Birkenhead, Narvik ( Norway ) - back to Glasgow, Narvik again - back to Newport, South Wales , Bona ( Algeria ) - back to Birkenhead and Vitoria ( Bazil), anchored off for 14 days ( rain washed railway line to port away ! ) - and back to Newport via The Cape Verde Islands ( for bunkers ), where I the signed off the ship on 21st May 1960. I like to think that was as good as any " initiation " to a good career as a Ship's Engineer ! Tony Swan.
P.S. in case you wonder how I can remember all these details from so long ago, I kept a " movements diary " from day one through to my last ship and still have it in good order and condition (!).

A.D.FROST
30th October 2012, 09:16
Just to jog the memoryTony,(Thumb)
31263

31264

Erimus
30th October 2012, 09:46
[QUOTE][These four Iron Ore Carriers never knew until the last momement where they were going to load and deliver to ( back in the UK ) !!/QUOTE]


Tony....as far as the ships were concerned this was true..however, we in BISC(Ore)/ BSC Vessel Scheduling were working on a rolling three month programme on the,then 72 vessels,and subject to the ship being within roughly a 7 day window of the planned postion,and not having special requirements, we would push a piece of paper through to the Ship Managers with instructions just before it reached current port.One of the reasons for this was the financial implication, even then, of bunker prices and what could be achieved on a 'spot market'......

We were also subject to the vagaries of our CIF contract vessels such as from Sweden and Venezuala as often their timing meant re-adjustment of programme to our vessels, especially in the medium sized ports...i.e.Birkenhead,Cardiff, Hartlepool and Clyde.

cheers

geoff

Tony Swan
30th October 2012, 22:51
[QUOTE][These four Iron Ore Carriers never knew until the last momement where they were going to load and deliver to ( back in the UK ) !!/QUOTE]


Tony....as far as the ships were concerned this was true..however, we in BISC(Ore)/ BSC Vessel Scheduling were working on a rolling three month programme on the,then 72 vessels,and subject to the ship being within roughly a 7 day window of the planned postion,and not having special requirements, we would push a piece of paper through to the Ship Managers with instructions just before it reached current port.One of the reasons for this was the financial implication, even then, of bunker prices and what could be achieved on a 'spot market'......
We were also subject to the vagaries of our CIF contract vessels such as from Sweden and Venezuala as often their timing meant re-adjustment of programme to our vessels, especially in the medium sized ports...i.e.Birkenhead,Cardiff, Hartlepool and Clyde.

cheers

geoff

Hi, Geoff.
Thanks for that information. As a " new and green " ship's engineer, it was enough to learn the complexities of a ships' engine room, let alone the complexities you describe at BISC / Ship Scheduling !.I did not realise that there were that many ships under the BISC supply contract at that time. As it was, the many loading ports and varied discharging ports made for a more interesting set of voyages for a " young lad " ( then ) wanting to see different parts of the world.
Regards, Tony ( 31/10/2012 )

1984Redcar
25th August 2013, 16:01
Just tagging onto the end here. If anyone remembers Andrew 'Dill' Dillon (from St Leonards on Sea Sussex) he sadly passed away this July '13 age 51 of a heart attack. He definitely served on the Reynolds & Rubens - possibly 3rd Officer? I'm a long, long since ex girlfriend of his, but I'm in touch with his poor mum. I'd like to be able to pass on any (clean!) memories of him to her. I drove all the way from London to Middlesborough/Redcar (hence my name) in August 1984 to see him while the MV Reynolds docked. I've got a faded photo of the ship some place and one of his cabin, even the big old Shell refinery along from the ship. I remember having a drink in the ship's bar and feeling very intimidated!