VARIOUS DIGITAL CARDs ;members experiences

scorcher
26th June 2009, 17:27
I do not wish to duplicate other posts but I cannot find one that compares types?
To moderators;
If I have missed it then please delete my post.

I realise that once we have chosen a specific camera we are restricted
to the memory those cameras use.I do wonder how other members find
memory cards which I have no knowledge of?
My first digital camera was a FUJI 2800 with 6xzoom. This used SMART MEDIA which was reliable although is now low spec.
My second camera is a FUJI5000 with 10xzoom using xD cards .
The camera has performed well.
My third camera is a FUJI 9500 with 10xzoom which uses both
xD cards plus COMPACT FLASH. I always use a Pro Delkin 2gig card
which is excellent for my needs, fast enough to capture flying aircraft.
HOWEVER I have had TWO I gig Fuji xD cards fail with "bad sectors".
I would only use the xD card in my 9500 as back-up in emergency.
These were both bought new and returned to Fuji who replaced them.
I would like to know members experiences with their own cards.
ie...SECURE DIGITAL
Other COMPACT FLASH makes (other than Delkin)
Multimedia (MMC)
and memory sticks.

Scorcher

John Rogers
26th June 2009, 17:32
I have been using SanDisk for years in my Canon camera,In my Sony Video Cam for stills and in my thumb drive,never had a problem.

John.

scorcher
26th June 2009, 17:41
I have been using SanDisk for years in my Canon camera,In my Sony Video Cam for stills and in my thumb drive,never had a problem.

John.

Thanks John....they are cheaper than Delkin so next time I will save
a few quid by buying one.

treeve
26th June 2009, 18:09
Have Fuji Finepix S9500 and Fuji S8100sd both use Fujifilm XD cards; have 6 M1Gb and 6 H1Gb, I have not noticed any specific difference; the S8100 also uses Kodak SD card 1GB, as does my smaller Kodak V550 (for those pocket moments); I would say there is a marked difference in the speed of storage and upload to PC from the SD card - much slower on both cameras.

shamrock
26th June 2009, 18:23
I use a Samsung Digimax U-CA5 camera with a basic Boots 128mb SD card.

Bought it in 2005, done 7 cruises to various parts of the world with it and had no problems apart from the camera software managing to screw itself up into a ball and delete itself off my laptop a few weeks ago.

I also have a Canon EOS 35mm camera that I develop the films to CD for uploading to the laptop that I bought in 2004, works fine, I have about equal quality with both camera types. I've about a dozen CD's full of shots from a couple of cruise ships and from South America that I have yet to upload to the laptop :o

Santos
26th June 2009, 18:40
Tesco have San Disc SD Cards slim pack of 2 x 2GB for £9.69p. Thats what I have.

Chris.

Pat McCardle
26th June 2009, 19:15
I have a Panasonic FZ28 with 6Gb MM card, Panasonic D-snap 500Mb SD card, Nikon D40 1Gb MM Card, Nikon 7900 1Gb SD Card, & a Sanyo Xacti 500Mb SD Card. All cards are from San Disc which I am pleased with. I also have 2 mobile phones from Sony Ericsson, each having a 2Gb San disc. My memory stick is from Play.com & is 16Gb, so it holds a whole load of stuff. I guess I like the digital age?

Uploads to PC is very quick on all counts.

Gareth Jones
26th June 2009, 19:51
I bought a 2Gb olympus xD card for a special holiday in Singapore - after taking about 700 pics with 2 days left - the band new card failed completely all our pics lost - totally irate !!!!

shamrock
26th June 2009, 20:02
I bought a 2Gb olympus xD card for a special holiday in Singapore - after taking about 700 pics with 2 days left - the band new card failed completely all our pics lost - totally irate !!!!

That is my one big fear when I use my camera, so I take my laptop with me and download my photo's after each use onto the pooter - generally after a couple of hours or at least daily when on holiday .....something I can't do now thanks to the pooter chucking a wobbly.

scorcher
26th June 2009, 20:30
Gareth you must be very annoyed about your experience with your xD card. That confirms my distrust of them.
Santos..I am off to my local Tesco hoping they have Compact Flash on offer.
Thanks for all comments !.

R58484956
26th June 2009, 20:34
Never had any problems with Sony "memory stick duo" and MS pro duo, duo of course needs an adaptor. The Lexar equivilant to the above is nearly half the price of the Sony.

steviej
27th June 2009, 21:33
I have had two Fuji Cameras. The F40fd and the F100fd. Both cameras have given me great service as a handy snapper and they both take the xd cards and the sandisk. I have had problems with the xd cards, they have not failed to take photos but the quality of the pictures has failed me. Now I only trust the sandisk.

treeve
28th June 2009, 04:41
Myself, I have found that picture quality depends on basically a few factors; low light and therefore high noise ratio; poor focus depending on limited contrast or brightness of subject; poor light collection etc due to dirty lens and or focusing lenses. Keep all optics clean on a daily basis. Focus on objects other than the difficult subject and keep the button half depressed to take the picture of the equidistant subject; low light and noise can be adjusted either by altering the sensitivity or by altering gamma levels etc in the computer (make sure you only work on the copy file, not the original).
I use the same xd cards in both fuji cameras (9.5 Mp and 11 Mp) with no appreciable difference (except the pixels, of course), have used same XD cards for last three years, taking many many pictures; key thing is to not use the entire memory available and not to constantly erase files just to create space; wait until there are twenty frames left, transfer to PC, etc, then erase clear and start again.
I also do not believe in enormous memory storage; problem with a 7Gb card, all lost; problem with a 1Gb card, a fraction lost. That is why I carry 12 x 1Gb cards.

scorcher
28th June 2009, 12:01
"have used same XD cards for last three years, taking many many pictures; key thing is to not use the entire memory available and not to constantly erase files just to create space; wait until there are twenty frames left..."

I have not heard that advice before treeve. Interesting comments.
Fuji recommended always to format the card after downloading the images
rather than delete the images.I do this now.They suggested my Fuji9500 was at fault in reading the (Fuji)1gig xD card but the card was faulty in my Fuji5000 plus my Olympus pocket camera.They tested (both) faulty cards and found bad sectors.One thing I NEVER do is to remove the card
from the camera (unless I have to) because touching the surface can affect the performance over time.I agree with you about limiting the memory size of cards.The thought of losing 7gig of shots does not bear thinking about.I use a Delkin Pro 2 Gig Compact flash card in my 9500
with no problems (so far!). I will purchase a 4 gig card as the Fuji9500
can take video clips at 60fps .But I will not take the card out but rather
connect it directly to the PC.
I am wary of card readers because taking cards out and replacing them
too often does not seem like a good idea. Have any members used card readers ?
Are my fears irrational that the constant movements of cards can cause friction to the surfaces over time ???

shamrock
28th June 2009, 12:28
I have a card reader on my Lexmark printer, it also has a PictBridge USB port too, so fortunately although I cannot use the laptop directly for uploading from the camera, I can use the printer as the go-between. I have used both the reader and PictBridge and so far, so good..(touches wood)

I have only ever used the same card in my camera, having said that though I will probably get a larger capacity one (or two) for the 6 weeks I am away next year since I will be leaving the laptop at home.

My printer is a Lexmark X5650...

Digital Media Memory Card Compatibility :

CompactFlash I & II
Sony Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO
Secure Digital (SD) Card
MultiMediaCard (MMC)
Microdrive
Sony Memory Stick Duo (with adapter)
Mini Secure Digital (Mini SD) Card (with adapter)
Sony Memory Stick PRO Duo (with adapter)
SanDisk TransFlash Memory Module (with adapter)
RS-MMC (with adapter)
xD Card Type M, Type H
MultiMediaCard (MMC) Mobile (with adapter)
Micro Secure Digital (Micro SD) Card (with adapter)
Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Card (with adapter)
PictBridge Certified Port

treeve
28th June 2009, 12:40
As a memory from guitar playing days, I am in the habit of ensuring proper contact by pushing the card in, engaging, and then doing it again, as I did discover one card that offered 'card error' - all I did was to push it in again, and it was ok. The signals received is minute, all it takes is a the equally minute break in contact and there is nothing; remember the amount of data to compile one picture is one fifteenth of the old 64k computers entire memory for progs and manipulation. I use only camera/pc connection, as the contacts are designed by Fuji specifically for picture taking and transfer (or any other manufacturer of cameras) rather than a card reader. I have no doubt that anything involving the numbers of manufacture, by the very fact of percentages, will end up with data handling errors at some stage. There is always a rogue element. To my mind small is beautiful. XD cards are designed to be inserted and removed constantly. I did a calculation - over the last three years, I have taken 70,000 images, I do not generally go above 200 images per card, for hi-res, and 350 for low res. They are generally ship images or historical document (of shipping registers etc) images. I thought that a Fuji camera full-erase was in fact a re-format, by the way? Is it not?

scorcher
28th June 2009, 13:55
" I thought that a Fuji camera full-erase was in fact a re-format, by the way? Is it not? "

I must state here and now I am no expert ! just someone who learns from his mistakes. For the first four years of taking digital shots I only ever did the "full erase" however after chatting on the phone to a Fuji engineer (very patient and helpful) he explained that the erase function does not erase all data! This had me scratching my head in bemusement until he went on to say ..." only using the format function eliminates all data"
I know other members are expert in this field and have posted this info before .I am sure they will excuse me for repeating it here.
I suppose it is the same situation where deleting data from a computer hard drive does not , in fact, delete it completely. Only re-formatting it does !.
As I say I learn from my mistakes so stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

ps treeve...what was/is your "axe" ???

scorcher
28th June 2009, 13:58
Thanks shamrock for your comprehensive reply. I am certain it wil help those at the beginning of the digital conversion from film photography.

K urgess
28th June 2009, 14:07
All deleting does is to add a character in place of the first letter of the filename indicating that the file is dead and the space is available for re-use.
Unfortunately this means that if the next file to be saved is bigger it will be split into any available space. That's the theory as applied to disk drives and I think it operates the same with cards but could be wrong.
A full format may or may not erase all data depending on the system. If it writes all 0s or 1s to the card then it will show any bad sectors etc. If it just re-writes the sector headers then the data blocks can still be there.
I format my Fuji camera's card every so often but mainly as a check that it still works properly.
Didn't know there were any other cards than San Disk. [=P]
I've not had any noticeable problems and mine get chucked about all over the place.
But.... I'm an ex field service engineer for computers and I only ever handle electronic components or boards by the edges and the only after touch the closest earthed metal object. (Whaaa)

treeve
28th June 2009, 15:07
Thanks for that clarification on formatting; I will go away and ponder upon these things .... makes a lot of sense.
First card I got was £70, next batch was £35 a piece; last lot was £7 each.
I do not have the trust in mega memory to keep the same card in the camera.
I often shoot away on a document session, near 1500 at a time. Having spent all day pouring over records, I have no desire to get back home and find I have wasted the whole day (local CRO charges for digital use).
Going away anywhere for any length of time usually results in 2000 images, of which I treat maybe 5 images as useless.
But, in view of the age of the cards, I will now fit formatting into the schedule.

treeve
28th June 2009, 15:10
@scorcher ... ps treeve...what was/is your "axe" ???

Sorry - just twigged.
I had a Höfner Congress 1965; home made pick ups, home made pre-amp; home made modulator network (sine and square with noise gen); real reverb (used a long spring to delay the signal) also a tape echo unit (much more active than the electronic versions) and a Marshall Amp; home made 20 inch speaker set up.
The action was brilliant ... life took over; gained arthritis in later years; could not even hold a pencil; recently bought myself a Stagg Gibson Style SA300, less semi-acoustic than the Höfner, but same look, sunburst and action.

Trying to get the fingers working again - it has been 40 years since I played last.

scorcher
28th June 2009, 20:31
"Didn't know there were any other cards than San Disk."

Sounds like a sound recommendation.Cheaper than Delkin and if as good why pay more?

I will sneak a comment in although off topic treeve.
You had a very individual set up and a distinctive sound as well no doubt.
I knew a great guitarist once who suffered from arthritis, he moved to bass until he could no longer play that.I salute your spirit and determination and wish you well in your endeavour.
I have an American Telecaster and a Yamaha acoustic.Scotty Moore was
my first hero.

Andy
30th June 2009, 22:22
Lexar and Sandisk for last 10yrs, never had a card fail with 300,000+ images.
I remember paying £70 for a 16Mb (not Gb) card ;)

scorcher
30th June 2009, 22:56
"...Lexar and Sandisk for last 10yrs, never had a card fail with 300,000+ images."

two good recommendations ..so good enough for me .Cheers!,

scorcher
30th June 2009, 22:58
"...Lexar and Sandisk for last 10yrs, never had a card fail with 300,000+ images."

two good recommendations ..so good enough for me .Cheers!,
I paid 35 pounds sterling for a SMART MEDIA CARD READER!
Anyone want it for 25 pounds????(Jester)

andysk
6th July 2009, 10:51
..... I remember paying £70 for a 16Mb (not Gb) card ;)

I just received a 1 Tb (1,000 Gb) external hardisk - paid £80 for it !

The old rule of thumb was £1 per Mb, just goes to show how cheap memory is now becoming.

I paid 35 pounds sterling for a SMART MEDIA CARD READER!
Anyone want it for 25 pounds????(Jester)

I got a 8 type card reader from Tchibo about 4 years ago for £12, Jessops in the UK are selling multi-type ones for about £15 I think now.

My choice of SD and CF cards are either Integral or Kingston, usually bought from MX2 or 7dayshop in the Channel Islands - very good service from both.

scorcher
14th July 2009, 23:56
andysk wrote;
"I just received a 1 Tb (1,000 Gb) external hardisk - paid £80 for it !"

At that price it is well worth backing up everything on all hard drives !

As a sidenote....I have a BOSS 8 track music recorder
which uses DELKIN Compact flash cards.I bought one for it and it would not read it !. I contacted BOSS here in the UK they admitted that there was a problem with their recent CF cards being read . They are working to solve it.So even if you buy the manufacturors recommendations it is no guarantee of success. !

lesbryan
15th July 2009, 00:46
I use The new superfast SD cards in all my cameras .They download a lot quicker than the older ones lot better piccies as well

scorcher
16th July 2009, 11:54
I use The new superfast SD cards in all my cameras .They download a lot quicker than the older ones lot better piccies as well

Yes I found that my Delkin CF card was much quicker in reacting to the camera shutter than my xd card on the same camera. ie Fuji S9500 which uses both.
Which is better for aircraft shots etc.I am intrigued to read that your photos were better quality.I am not doubting you of course but would like to know the technical reason if some experts could furnish them.?
The reason I ask is that my Fuji 5000 set at 3m pixcels takes clearer/better photos than my Fuji S9500 set at the same resolution.
I suppose it must be that they have different CCDs and there are gains and losses with the later CCDs .?.