LASH ships

japottinger
13th September 2005, 18:28
Anyone have any good clear photos of LASH (Lighter Aboard Ship) in any guise. Some names Acadia Forest, Atlantic Forest, Lash Turkiye, Lash Espana, Thomas E. Cuffe, Golden Bear, Pacific Bear, Japan Bear, China Bear, Lash Hellas, Lash Portugal, Phillipine bear, Bilderdyk, Munchen (she disappeared with all hands) Some are now owned by US Navy.

airds
13th September 2005, 23:37
Munchen

Jim

Not a photo of the Munchen - but an artist impression of her battling a large freak wave is available on the BBC site as a wallpaper, near the bottom of this page. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/freakwavescreensaver.shtml)

The programme summary, etc of the Horizon documentary (2002) on 'Freak Waves' is here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/freakwave.shtml)

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Bruce Carson
14th September 2005, 00:30
Hi:
There are a couple of pictures of the "Capes" at the following URL:
http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/inventory.asp?var=LighterAboardship
Here's one I'd never heard of, a nuclear fueled Lash.
http://tinyurl.com/dt4g8
The Pacific Far East Lines' Bears must be getting mighty long in the teeth by now.

Bruce C,

japottinger
14th September 2005, 13:39
thanks all
Jim

Joop Kieviet
14th September 2005, 14:42
In website www. waterman-steamship.com/Forest Lines maybe you can find something for you,anyway there are two phorographs of lashships.
Joop

ruud
14th September 2005, 15:38
Ahoy Jim,
Found you some "LASH" in my files:the "FOREST" ships;will have a look for others later
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/567/acadiaforest5ie.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acadiaforest5ie.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/9436/atlanticforest6ff.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atlanticforest6ff.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7395/atlanticforest17rm.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atlanticforest17rm.jpg)

ruud
14th September 2005, 15:39
Ahoy Jim,
Couldn't post them at once, so here an other serie:
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7540/atlanticforest27nc.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atlanticforest27nc.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/3016/atlanticforest190720020qj.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atlanticforest190720020qj.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7459/rhineforest4gd.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhineforest4gd.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/3461/rhineforest29tx.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhineforest29tx.jpg)

ruud
14th September 2005, 17:04
Ahoy Jim,
Here some others, hope the quality of these pic's will do, haven't any better.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9326/australianbear1ab.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=australianbear1ab.jpg)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8980/bilderdyk5iq.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bilderdyk5iq.jpg)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3623/bilderdyk17is.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bilderdyk17is.jpg)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5374/bilderdyk19720vn.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bilderdyk19720vn.jpg)

ruud
14th September 2005, 17:05
Ahoy Jim,
Here the last:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5343/hawaiibear9ml.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hawaiibear9ml.jpg)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3356/philippinebear8fq.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=philippinebear8fq.jpg)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1787/pacificbear0gm.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pacificbear0gm.jpg)

cboots
15th September 2005, 14:44
Thanks to all posters for some great pics of what I find fascinating ships. For what it is worth, some time ago I was on a cruise through the Port of Melbourne, courtesy of a client, and actually sponsored by the Port Authority. I happened to notice tied up alongside the river bank (Yarra) a couple of what I knew to be LASH barges. Now I was also pretty certain that that particular concept never was used on the Aussie trade. So I started to ask around my fellow cruisers, most of whom thought I was totally nuts. This was a corporate function after all, one is there for the good food, free booze, and the chance for a bit of mutual back scratching. No one could tell me how they got here, not even a pretty high boss from the port. So anyone got any ideas, did they ever do a long forgotten voyage to Oz, is this the later day mahogany ship mystery, was she really a yankyman LASH boat?
CBoots

Stuart
17th September 2005, 22:05
I have just put a couple of photos of the Robert E Lee in the Gallery. One showing the barge operation. Is this the sort of thing you were after?

Rgds.

seeking
18th September 2005, 05:32
Lash barges were used in Auckland NZ, floated over to Jellicoe wharf & worked on by Quayside cranes.One barge had the bottom drop out of it when loading over the stern & lost the cargo of steel coils I think into the harbour, possibly a GRP constructed barge though others were of more conventional construction.Good enough for NZ good enough for OZ?

seeking

Rutts
18th September 2005, 10:01
The lash barges seen in Auckland use to come down with Farrell Lines.
A couple of vessel names spring to mind.....Austral Entree (spelling ??) and Austral Lightning.

R58484956
18th September 2005, 17:37
Bill, go to http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/16idx.htm, it will help if you know her number.

trotterdotpom
18th September 2005, 17:41
Lash barges were used in Auckland NZ, floated over to Jellicoe wharf & worked on by Quayside cranes.One barge had the bottom drop out of it when loading over the stern & lost the cargo of steel coils I think into the harbour, possibly a GRP constructed barge though others were of more conventional construction.Good enough for NZ good enough for OZ?

seeking

Pretty sure I saw Lash ships in Burnie, Tasmania, in the '80s (possibly Bear Line). I definitely saw them in Jeddah in the early '70s. they used to come in, drop off the barges, pick up the ones left from the previous trip and clear off. We were stuck there at anchor for ages - mind you, it wasn't all bad, lots of pistachios and (keep it under your hat) home made 'Sediki' ashore.

John T.

KPC
21st October 2005, 07:36
LASH ships were regular visitors to Sydney.LASH barges are still to this day being used for various purposes around harbour.

Thamesphil
21st October 2005, 14:10
I have a photo of the ACADIA FOREST which you can see here:

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=36446

Phil

japottinger
8th December 2005, 11:49
A belated thanks you for photos and info.
regards
Jim

japottinger
8th December 2005, 11:53
LASH ships, for Ruud and Phil, are any of these shots copyright?
Jim

ruud
8th December 2005, 12:11
Ahoy Jim,
As far as I know, they all come from different sources, some were send to me by friends, others were taken from the I-net,some are copied from books/magazines but I don't know if any is been .As there are no signs on the pix, I guess, no one should claim them.But that will be always a mystery.

Jim S
10th February 2006, 22:47
I attach a couple of pictures of the Lykes Line LASH - DOCTOR LYKES the first of a class of 3 built 1972/73. Of 21,600 gross tons and 39,000 dwt with 36,000 shp steam turbine machinery. These ships could carry up to 38 -97ft x 35 ft barges. The barges or lighters were loaded and unloaded by means of a submersible elevator at the stern. One of the pics shows the elevator at its highest position - the elevator served three deck levels.
To give some impression of the extent that the elevator lifting arrangement extends the hull - a perpendicular drawn through the forward end of the raised part of the stern would pass through the propellors.

In 1986 the three ships Doctor Lykes, Almeria Lykes, and Tillie Lykes were sold for opertion with the US Military Sealift Command renamed Cape Mendocino, Cape May, and Cape Mohican.
There is a short feature on these ships in January 2006 edition of Ships Monthly
The pics of Doctor Lykes was taken at Galveston in l972

Thamesphil
10th February 2006, 22:59
Jim,

the Lykes Lines ships were not strictly LASH ships. Lykes had their own barge system, which was called Seabee. The Seabee vessels differed in appearance to the LASH ships, as evidenced by the photos submitted in this thread.

Phil

Tassie
11th February 2006, 00:38
Lash ships did a regular run to Hobart, Tasmania, back in the 1970's and I do have a slide or two of the 'China Bear' (in Hobart) which I will post when I locate them. Some Lash ships used to anchor midstream and others would come alongside Macquarie wharf.
Regards....Bill Burton....Tassie

cboots
11th February 2006, 04:02
Thanks for all the interest in the Oz/LASH controversey, it would definitely seem that the concept did find some application in the Australasian trades. Just goes to show what a maritime brains trust we have in this group.
CBoots

Jim S
11th February 2006, 17:59
Phil,
Thanks for your note - I had been under the illusion that the Lykes ships were LASH ships but having looked at the photos realise it was a different concept.
I guess it is rather typical of Lykes that they came up with a concept that it looks like others did not follow. I always had a soft spot for Lykes - their ships were never the prettiest but looked workmanlike..
Jim S

Andyroo
12th February 2006, 00:32
The MV Spruce is a regular feeder vessel delivering Lash barges into the humber via a mother ship in Rotterdam

Bruce Carson
12th February 2006, 01:10
There are short explanations of both the "Lash" and the Lykes' "Seabee" systems about halfway down the following webpage:
http://tinyurl.com/a5fm3

Bruce C.

muldonaich
12th February 2006, 01:17
Anyone have any good clear photos of LASH (Lighter Aboard Ship) in any guise. Some names Acadia Forest, Atlantic Forest, Lash Turkiye, Lash Espana, Thomas E. Cuffe, Golden Bear, Pacific Bear, Japan Bear, China Bear, Lash Hellas, Lash Portugal, Phillipine bear, Bilderdyk, Munchen (she disappeared with all hands) Some are now owned by US Navy.
i remember well the night the munchen went down we were only a hundred miles astern of her on gtv eurofreighter captain na mac donald turned the ship round i think she rolled 40degrees that night but the weather was so bad we could not make any headway25 hrs later he turned again andcarried on for greenock i can assure you nobody could have survived in the sea that night it left us all feeling very helpless , i sailed on asiafreighter years later we hit a freak wave mid atlantic lost containers gangway it ripped the foremast out of the deck we still went back for more every trip i wonder why????

Jim S
12th February 2006, 20:54
Thanks I am now better educated on the differences between Lash and Lykes Seebee barge systems

Jim S

david
13th February 2006, 04:01
I know this is a bit late, however I remember the Pacific Far East Lines 3 "Lash" ships were regular visitors to Sydney in the early 70's.The concept was not a success as it required a sophisticated inland river transport system( ie Mississippi-Ohio, or the Rhine) to be effective,in fact they were designed by naval architects in New Orleans. The Lash system was a failure on the LAX/SFO route to A'asia, PFEL went belly up (for a myriad of reasons) The 3 were purchased by American President Lines,converted to gearless box ships, renamed and ended up in the Matson fleet from 1996 where the serve as "Chief Gadao", "Lihue" and "Ewa".Lykes unloaded a lot of theirs + the Barge type to the Military Sealift Command who have a teriffic site http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory of great pix of both types.

rcawthra
28th May 2007, 15:16
I have a large original water color of the Pacific Bear in port. It is quite nice. If you would like to see it please email me and I'll send a jpeg. Thanks,
rcawthra

tunatownshipwreck
28th May 2007, 18:52
I recall the PFEL LASH ships as being acquired by Farrell lines. Then Farrell went under, and I think APL bought them.

Hugh Ferguson
2nd June 2007, 23:18
I know this is a bit late, however I remember the Pacific Far East Lines 3 "Lash" ships were regular visitors to Sydney in the early 70's.The concept was not a success as it required a sophisticated inland river transport system( ie Mississippi-Ohio, or the Rhine) to be effective,in fact they were designed by naval architects in New Orleans. The Lash system was a failure on the LAX/SFO route to A'asia, PFEL went belly up (for a myriad of reasons) The 3 were purchased by American President Lines,converted to gearless box ships, renamed and ended up in the Matson fleet from 1996 where the serve as "Chief Gadao", "Lihue" and "Ewa".Lykes unloaded a lot of theirs + the Barge type to the Military Sealift Command who have a teriffic site http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory of great pix of both types.

One of the Military Sealift Command L.A.S.H. ships came to anchor off Falmouth on her way back to the States after the Desert Storm war. I was surprised to get a call from a retired Admiral who lived in our village, wanting to know what on earth it was!! Having piloted several into the Medway and into the river berth off Royal Terrace Pier, Gravesend, I was able to enlighten him! I believe that they were the biggest cargo vessels in the world at that time. A remarkable concept.

gcaptain.com
8th June 2007, 15:55
The Cape Mohican was the first ship I sailed on after becoming a maritime officer. :) Here's a great photo of her:
http://gcaptain.com/maritime/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=24&page=1#Item_8
(at the bottom of the page)

jim heslop
28th March 2008, 08:54
The company that i worked for used to discharge and load the lash barges at first the barges were made of steel with steel hatches But for some reason they changed them to Fibreglass and it was one of the fibregass one`s that was loaded with 4oo tons of coiled steel when it was in the process of been lifted on the ship that the bottom fell out