Dolius, Diomed or Demodocus?

Oscar Aardse
11th November 2009, 14:49
Hi all (ex) BF officers! Most of you have probably sailed in the sub-officers ranks and may know the answer to my questions?
- Was Dolius navigating bridge originally painted white .... or was she painted white done after a namechange? - I have seen a aquarel of one of the BF vessels, but wonder if she is Dolius, Diomed or Demodocus. Does anyone know a significant difference in appearance or features of these three?15635 Appreciate your input -Oscar

AGAMEMNON
11th November 2009, 17:51
Dolius Diomed & Demodocus (Mark A5) had wooden bridge fronts. The next 3 (Mark 6A), Ajax, Achilles & Antenor (same in most other respects) had white steel bridgefronts.
Hope this helps. I just love thinking about these Blueys! Getting old!

BillH
11th November 2009, 18:36
Dolius Diomed & Demodocus (Mark A5) had wooden bridge fronts. The next 3 (Mark 6A), Ajax, Achilles & Antenor (same in most other respects) had white steel bridgefronts.
Hope this helps. I just love thinking about these Blueys! Getting old!
Looking at photographs I have used in my book, the D's were painted white in later life

Hugh Ferguson
11th November 2009, 21:06
Looking at photographs I have used in my book, the D's were painted white in later life

Bill Davies could have told you had he not been banned!

Tai Pan
12th November 2009, 12:49
Joined Dolius as 2nd R/O at Harland & Wolfe Belfast. Did delivery trip to Liverpool, all the big nobs on board inc Lawrence Holt. Thick fog at the Bar so had to anchor overnight. Lawrence Holt came into Radio Room and said, send them a message we are delayed, had a chat and left me to it . made up my own message.

cheddarnibbles
16th November 2009, 16:26
Hi all (ex) BF officers! Most of you have probably sailed in the sub-officers ranks and may know the answer to my questions?
- Was Dolius navigating bridge originally painted white .... or was she painted white done after a namechange? - I have seen a aquarel of one of the BF vessels, but wonder if she is Dolius, Diomed or Demodocus. Does anyone know a significant difference in appearance or features of these three?15635 Appreciate your input -Oscar

They most certainly were varnished wood bridge fronts. I spent most of my first voyage scraping it down to bare wood before re-varnishing it. We sailed from Bidston dock exactly 50 years ago this month.

Oscar Aardse
21st November 2009, 16:47
cheddarnibbles
Do you know any differences in the features of these three vessels to be able to identify the vessel show on the painting?

MICHAEL SQUIRES
21st November 2009, 21:45
cheddarnibbles
Do you know any differences in the features of these three vessels to be able to identify the vessel show on the painting?

If you purchase the book Ships In Focus - Blue Funnel Line by John Clarkson,Bill Harvey and Roy Fenton and turn to page no. 133 you will see pictures of all 3 ships on the one page. This may help you.

Regards

Pat Kennedy
21st November 2009, 23:43
Try this link to Tony Jones's Rhiw site, which has an article discussing this topic.
http://www.rhiw.com/y_mor/blue_funnel_home/d_boats/d_boats/d_class.htm

Duncan Haws Merchant fleets, Blue Funnel Line, has the Diomed having slightly different poop and bridgedeck dimesions than Dolius and Demodocus.

Regards,
Pat(Thumb)

BillH
22nd November 2009, 10:14
cheddarnibbles
Do you know any differences in the features of these three vessels to be able to identify the vessel show on the painting?
The following details are those given for all six vessels of the class in my Blue Funnel Odyssey book on CD.

As they came from different shipyards then there may well be slight variations to the basic design.

DEMODOCUS (2) (1955 - 1970) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V or “D” class.
O.N. 187111. 7,968g. 4,558n. 491' 5" x 62' 4" x 28' 5" oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B&W type oil engine made by Harland & Wolff Ltd., Belfast. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
24.1.1955: Launched by Vickers-Armstrongs Ltd., Newcastle, (Yard No. 147) for the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd.
8.1955: Completed.
7.1970: Transferred to Glen Line Ltd., and renamed GLENROY.
4.1972: Reverted to the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd., and to DEMODOCUS.
15.1.1973: Owners restyled as Ocean Transport & Trading Ltd.
1973: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Somali Republic, and renamed HUNGSIA.
1977: Sold to Dawn Maritime Corporation, Panama.
1979: Sold to the Government of the Peoples Republic of China, (Bureau of Maritime Transport Administration, (Kwang Chow Branch), managers), and renamed HONG QI 137.
1981: Transferred to the managers' Guangzhou Branch.
2.1982: Condemned and demolition commenced.

DOLIUS (3) (1956 - 1970) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V. or “D” class.
O.N. 187121. 7,960g. 4,539n. 491' 6" x 62' 4" x 28' 5" oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B&W type oil engine made by the shipbuilder. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
4.8.1955: Launched by Harland & Wolff Ltd., Belfast (Yard No. 1497), for the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd.
1.1956: Completed.
8.1970: Transferred to Glen Line Ltd., and renamed GLENFRUIN.
4.1972: Reverted to the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd., and to DOLIUS.
1972: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Macao, and renamed HUNG MIEN.
1973: Sold to Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., Somali Republic.
1976: Sold to United Freighter Corporation, Panama.
1977: Sold to the Government of the Peoples Republic of China, (Bureau of Maritime Transport Administration, (Kwang Chow Branch), managers), and renaned HONG QI 119.
1983: Transferred to the managers' Guangzhou Branch.
1984: Transferred to the managers' Shanghai Branch, and renamed ZHAN DOU 51.
11.1991: Lloyd’s Register deleted the entry due to her continued existence being in doubt.

DIOMED (5) (1956 - 1970) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V. or “D” class.
O.N. 187141. 7,980g. 4,567n. 491' 6" x 62' 4" x 28' 5 " oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B&W type oil engine made by J. G. Kincaid & Company Ltd., Greenock. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
12.4.1956: Launched by the Caledon Shipbuilding & Engineering Company Ltd., Dundee (Yard No. 501), for the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd.
9.1956: Completed.
7.1970: Transferred to Glen Line Ltd., and renamed GLENBEG.
5.1972: Reverted to the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd., and to DIOMED.
1973: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Somali Republic, and renamed KAISING.
1977: Sold to Golden City Maritime Corp S. A., Panama.
1982: Sold to the China Dismantled Vessels Trading Corporation, Kaohsiung, for demolition.
12.1982: Work commenced.

ANTENOR (4) (1957 - 1970) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V. or “D” class.
O.N. 187165. 7,974g. 4,550n. 491' 6" x 62' 4" x 28' 6" oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B&W type oil engine made by J. G. Kincaid & Company Ltd., Greenock. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
4.10.1956: Launched by Vickers-Armstrongs (Shipbuilders) Ltd., Newcastle (Yard No. 152), for the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd.
7.1957: Completed.
12.1970: Transferred to Glen Line Ltd., London, and renamed GLENLOCHY.
6.1972: Reverted to the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd., and renamed DYMAS because ANTENOR had been allocated to the new bulk carrier.
1973: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Somali Republic, and renamed KAIYUN.
1976: Sold to Highseas Navigation Corporation S. A., (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Panama.
1982: Removed from management.
1983: Sold to China National Metals and Minerals Import & Export Corporation, China, for demolition at Huangpu.
24.5.1983: Delivered.
25.9.1983: Work commenced.

ACHILLES (5) (1957 - 1972) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V. or “D” class.
O.N. 187168. 7,974g. 4,550n. 491' 6" x 62' 4" x 28' 6" oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B. & W. type oil engine made by J. G. Kincaid & Company Ltd., Greenock. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
13.5.1957: Launched by Vickers-Armstrongs (Shipbuilders) Ltd., Newcastle (Yard No. 153), for the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd.
10.1957: Completed.
5.1972: Transferred to the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd., and renamed DARDANUS to release the name for the new bulk carrier.
1972: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Somali Republic, and renamed KAIGO.
1976: Sold to Highseas Navigation Corporation S. A., (same managers), Panama.
1982: Sold to Chowdhary Shipbreaking Company, for demolition at Calcutta.
5.6.1982: Delivered.
11.1982: Work commenced.
12.1982: Completed.

AJAX (4) (1958 - 1972) “A” class steel motorship - Mk.V. or “D” class.
O.N. 187176. 7,974g. 4,550n. 491' 6" x 62' 4" x 28' 6" oa
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S. A. (750 x 1500mm) B&W type oil engine made by J. G. Kincaid & Company Ltd., Greenock. 8,000 BHP. 16 kts.
24.7.1957: Launched by Vickers-Armstrongs (Shipbuilders) Ltd., Newcastle (Yard No. 154), for the China Mutual Steam Navigation Company Ltd.
1.1958: Completed.
5.1972: Renamed DEUCALION to release the name for the new bulk carrier.
1972: Sold to the Nan Yang Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers), Somali Republic, and renamed KAILOK.
1976: Sold to the Brilliance Steamship Corporation S. A., (Nan Yang Shipping Company Ltd., managers), Panama.
1982: Sold to the China Dismantled Vessels Trading Corporation, Kaohsiung, for demolition.
8.6.1982: Delivered to Gwo Yeong Enterprise Company Ltd., Kaohsiung.
6.7.1982: Work commenced.

Pat Kennedy
22nd November 2009, 21:50
Diomed was equipped as a cadet training ship, but I doubt if there would be any outward signs of this. Her bridgedeck and poop were each 1ft longer than the others in her class, but that would not be a noticeable difference.
As a matter of interest, I heard a story that Demodocus, while discharging alongside in Singapore, had heavy lifts on the yardarm derrick at each hatch, all at the same time, and according to someone aboard at the time, gently turned over until masts and funnel lay on the shed roof.
Pat

jmcg
24th November 2009, 23:10
#6
Bill Davies banned?? Is there something amiss. Have noticed that Bill is not active nowadays.

I know that the old man on Autolycus refused to allow the varnished bridge to be painted white. However, some years later when she was in "Nig Nash" livery she had her "wood" painted white. Awful.

BW

J