SY Wendorian

John_F
7th October 2005, 19:48
I have asked this question once before without much response but there is now a much larger membership with some very knowledgeable members.
I am trying to find out what happened to the Wendorian. She used to be the training vessel for the King Edward VII Nautical College in London during the 50s & early 60s. She was a regular sight on the Thames as every week she would take a group of would be apprentices from Wapping Basin to Southend where she would anchor for the weekend before making her way back to Wapping on the Monday.
I believe that she was built in 1903 by Hawthorne & Co of Leith, reputedly to be either the King of Spain's or the King of Portugal's Royal yacht. I think her original name was Stephanotis. Her signal letters were GKKB, her official number was 113178 & she was of 143 gross tons.
Hoping Ruud, or someone, can help out with this & I have attached a photo of her in Wapping Basin.

Gulpers
7th October 2005, 20:31
John,

No idea of SY Wendorian's ultimate fate. You've probably seen all this stuff before, but Google turned the following links up.

http://www.merchant-navy.net/Pictures/wendorian.html

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetails&iSaleItemNo=1586512&iSaleNo=11095&sServer=http://images1.bonhams.com/&sPath=2004-08/11/6675367-83-2.jpg

http://www.steamboat.org.uk/wwwboard/messages/3464.htm

http://www.steamboat.org.uk/wwwboard/messages/3334.htm

Good luck with your quest.

p.s. Just noticed that John Firman provided one of the photographs in the first link. If that is you, I'm sorry if I've wasted your time.

DAVIDJM
7th October 2005, 23:33
hello John

i hope this will help according to wss marine news dec 61 p 310

she was sold by G E Milligan Stalham, Norfolk, to dutch shipbreakers arrived New Waterway 17/11/61

she looked a lovely vessel.
I think she may have been spanish not portugues as that one had to funnels

david

John_F
8th October 2005, 00:49
hello John

i hope this will help according to wss marine news dec 61 p 310

she was sold by G E Milligan Stalham, Norfolk, to dutch shipbreakers arrived New Waterway 17/11/61

she looked a lovely vessel.
I think she may have been spanish not portugues as that one had to funnels

david
David,
Many thanks for that information. Do you know where New Waterway is?
She was a lovely looking vessel & I thoroughly enjoyed (looking back!!) my week aboard her. Much time spent on lifeboat drill. No Welin McLaughlin davits on her! Block & tackle only which certainly increased the size of your biceps.
Kind regards,
John

John_F
8th October 2005, 01:09
John,

No idea of SY Wendorian's ultimate fate. You've probably seen all this stuff before, but Google turned the following links up.

http://www.merchant-navy.net/Pictures/wendorian.html

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetails&iSaleItemNo=1586512&iSaleNo=11095&sServer=http://images1.bonhams.com/&sPath=2004-08/11/6675367-83-2.jpg

http://www.steamboat.org.uk/wwwboard/messages/3464.htm

http://www.steamboat.org.uk/wwwboard/messages/3334.htm

Good luck with your quest.

p.s. Just noticed that John Firman provided one of the photographs in the first link. If that is you, I'm sorry if I've wasted your time.
Gulpers,
Many thanks for that but yes - I had explored those contacts & yes - that was me who posted the photo in the first link but thanks for your interest. Hopefully I'll find out a bit more from this site.
Kind regards,
John Firmin

Keltic Star
21st January 2006, 06:50
I have asked this question once before without much response but there is now a much larger membership with some very knowledgeable members.
I am trying to find out what happened to the Wendorian. She used to be the training vessel for the King Edward VII Nautical College in London during the 50s & early 60s. She was a regular sight on the Thames as every week she would take a group of would be apprentices from Wapping Basin to Southend where she would anchor for the weekend before making her way back to Wapping on the Monday.
I believe that she was built in 1903 by Hawthorne & Co of Leith, reputedly to be either the King of Spain's or the King of Portugal's Royal yacht. I think her original name was Stephanotis. Her signal letters were GKKB, her official number was 113178 & she was of 143 gross tons.
Hoping Ruud, or someone, can help out with this & I have attached a photo of her in Wapping Basin.
Have no idea of her fate, but have some good memories of her. Did three King Ted's training weeks on her plus delivery trip in December 1958 and redelivery February 1959 to Richards yard Lowestoff for drydocking.
Lifeboat drills were continuous and most taxing when the Chief Engineer increased the revs just as you had finally rowed the boat alongside. Once restowed in the radial davits the Mate would throw the oil drum overboard once again. However the worst was picking low card with the reward of trimmimg the wing coal bunkers. The only bright spot to that chore was the use of the Captains bath after.
During my time, she was under the command of Capt. Griffiths who was an absolute Gentleman who even ten years later remembered the names of all Cadets who had sailed under him.
She was definately the most beutiful ship I ever sailed on. I understood she was the ex-Spanish Royal Yacht and was actually on load to King Ted's from Billy Butlin who used her as his private yacht and escort vessel for the Channel Swim that he sponsored each year
Regards
Bob Upshon

Jan Hendrik
21st January 2006, 07:32
John.
The New Waterway or "Nieuwe Waterweg" in Dutch is the major river through Rotterdam, like the Thames in London.
It actually is the last stretch of the river Rhine but called New Waterway in Rotterdam until it runs into the North Sea.
Then there was a shipyard in Schiedam (next door to Rotterdam) called Werf Nieuwe Waterweg. This was actually a subsidiary or the Rotterdamse Droogdok Maatschappij (RDM) and I spent heaps of time on that yard from 1961 onwards.
There were, by memory, 2 floating drydocks.
It is now closed down and the only way to find archives here is to approach the RDM I would say.
Jan

John_F
21st January 2006, 21:15
John.
The New Waterway or "Nieuwe Waterweg" in Dutch is the major river through Rotterdam, like the Thames in London.
It actually is the last stretch of the river Rhine but called New Waterway in Rotterdam until it runs into the North Sea.
Then there was a shipyard in Schiedam (next door to Rotterdam) called Werf Nieuwe Waterweg. This was actually a subsidiary or the Rotterdamse Droogdok Maatschappij (RDM) and I spent heaps of time on that yard from 1961 onwards.
There were, by memory, 2 floating drydocks.
It is now closed down and the only way to find archives here is to approach the RDM I would say.
Jan
Jan,
Many thanks for that - I did go to Rotterdam once with BP but never heard the New Waterway mentioned.
Regards,
John.

John_F
21st January 2006, 21:40
Have no idea of her fate, but have some good memories of her. Did three King Ted's training weeks on her plus delivery trip in December 1958 and redelivery February 1959 to Richards yard Lowestoff for drydocking.
Lifeboat drills were continuous and most taxing when the Chief Engineer increased the revs just as you had finally rowed the boat alongside. Once restowed in the radial davits the Mate would throw the oil drum overboard once again. However the worst was picking low card with the reward of trimmimg the wing coal bunkers. The only bright spot to that chore was the use of the Captains bath after.
During my time, she was under the command of Capt. Griffiths who was an absolute Gentleman who even ten years later remembered the names of all Cadets who had sailed under him.
She was definately the most beutiful ship I ever sailed on. I understood she was the ex-Spanish Royal Yacht and was actually on load to King Ted's from Billy Butlin who used her as his private yacht and escort vessel for the Channel Swim that he sponsored each year
Regards
Bob Upshon
Bob,
Welcome to the site & I hope you find it as interesting as I do.
The Wendorian was certainly a very graceful vessel though home comforts down below were a bit on the spartan side. My only trip on the Wendorian took place in October 1958 when I was doing a 3 month pre-sea training course at King Ted's before joining BP as a Navigating Apprentice. We must have been at King Ted's together if you sailed on her in December of that year. Captain Griffiths was indeed a perfect gentleman & I have attached a photo of him which was taken at the end of our trip plus one of us all who completed the trip with the cook (Forget his name but most important member of the crew!). You may know some of the faces - I am on the extreme left.
Kind regards,
John F

Frank Baldwin
27th February 2006, 02:43
I was a student cadet at KEVII in 1953. I have fond memories of cruising on the Wendorian. At that time Captain Griffiths was still a lecturer at the college, and one of the favorite instructors. Rumor has it that while he was still shipping-out aboard merchant vessels, a lady passenger asked why he wore a beard. An Apprentice volunteered the information that Captain Griffith had been eating peas off his knife when the ship lurched and he grew the beard to cover the resulting scar. In December 1953, returning to Wapping Basin after completing a training cruise aboard the Wendorian, I broke out in chicken-pox... at the time a highly contageous disease. The entire crew was placed in quarantine and were kept aboard the Wendorian for the entire Christmas holidays. I, however, being beyond the incubation stage of the disease was allowed to go home and spent Christmas with my family. I was not very popular when classes resumed at KEVII after Christmas. Frank Baldwin. David,
Many thanks for that information. Do you know where New Waterway is?
She was a lovely looking vessel & I thoroughly enjoyed (looking back!!) my week aboard her. Much time spent on lifeboat drill. No Welin McLaughlin davits on her! Block & tackle only which certainly increased the size of your biceps.
Kind regards,
John

Keltic Star
27th February 2006, 06:51
I was a student cadet at KEVII in 1953. I have fond memories of cruising on the Wendorian. At that time Captain Griffiths was still a lecturer at the college, and one of the favorite instructors. Rumor has it that while he was still shipping-out aboard merchant vessels, a lady passenger asked why he wore a beard. An Apprentice volunteered the information that Captain Griffith had been eating peas off his knife when the ship lurched and he grew the beard to cover the resulting scar. In December 1953, returning to Wapping Basin after completing a training cruise aboard the Wendorian, I broke out in chicken-pox... at the time a highly contageous disease. The entire crew was placed in quarantine and were kept aboard the Wendorian for the entire Christmas holidays. I, however, being beyond the incubation stage of the disease was allowed to go home and spent Christmas with my family. I was not very popular when classes resumed at KEVII after Christmas. Frank Baldwin.


I think Captain Griffiths told that story to all Cadets. he used it on us at dinner the first night aboard. It seemed to be icebreaker.

He and Capt. Miller took a group of us down the Thames in the whalers on a Bank Holiday weekend. We actually sailed them rather than the usual rowing in West India Dock and I was lucky to be driven back to the residence at Cromwell Road in Capt. Griffith's ancient Jag convertible. A most memorable weekend.

Any ex KEVII guy's remember the motor launch used for boatwork that was moored alongside the H.Q.S. Wellington?
Bob

John_F
27th February 2006, 10:10
Any ex KEVII guy's remember the motor launch used for boatwork that was moored alongside the H.Q.S. Wellington?
Bob
Bob,
I think she was called the Magellan but not sure. I remember on one occasion, with Captain Miller in command, taking it from Wapping Basin back to the Wellington. In Shadwell Basin he decided to show us how powerful the Magellan was by taking in tow a London barge. Unfortunately, going through the locks, the barge man didn't get a line ashore quickly enough to slow his progress & the Magellan acted as a fender for the barge against the lock wall. Much creaking of timbers & we cadets thought we would be taking a dip. However, she must have been very strongly built as she survived with no signs of any leaks & we made it to the Wellington without any further happenings, where I had my first experience of climbing a rope ladder.
Kind regards,
John.

macjack
6th March 2006, 15:09
I commenced my seagoing career at KE V11 NC 1952 and indeed have very fond memories of her - notably the coal fired boilers, and covering an early morning watch at anchor, in the boiler room with strict instructions - two shovels of coal every hour or similar -I put the whole lot in as soon as he left and got my head down within an hour the safety valve blew!!!! The noise - I will not bore you with further details,you can guess.
I followed thro' a few years ago regarding "Wendorian" in Ships Monthly and had a wonderful reply from Capt Miller, Master at the time I was aboard - a copy of his reply which I think will answer all your questions, I will post ASAP.
I have only just registered so hope I can get things right, if not please bear with me.

John_F
6th March 2006, 18:26
Macjack,
Welcome to the site - don't become addicted like the rest of us!
Look forward to reading Captain Miller's letter. Is he still alive, do you know?
Looking at your profile, my career followed your lines pretty much exactly except that I only did 6 years with BP.
Kind regards,
John F

macjack
7th March 2006, 11:45
I have asked this question once before without much response but there is now a much larger membership with some very knowledgeable members.
I am trying to find out what happened to the Wendorian. She used to be the training vessel for the King Edward VII Nautical College in London during the 50s & early 60s. She was a regular sight on the Thames as every week she would take a group of would be apprentices from Wapping Basin to Southend where she would anchor for the weekend before making her way back to Wapping on the Monday.
I believe that she was built in 1903 by Hawthorne & Co of Leith, reputedly to be either the King of Spain's or the King of Portugal's Royal yacht. I think her original name was Stephanotis. Her signal letters were GKKB, her official number was 113178 & she was of 143 gross tons.
Hoping Ruud, or someone, can help out with this & I have attached a photo of her in Wapping Basin.

As promised, I attach the reply I received from Capt Miller in response to my letter in " Ships Monthly " I hope this answers some of you questions.
Regards,
Mac.
I also hope my reply c/w attachment works.
I had to post attachment this way due to size restrictions imposed.

John_F
7th March 2006, 16:20
MacJack,
That's marvellous - her full history. Thanks very much for that. How long ago was that article published? Do you know if Captain Miller is still alive?
Kind regards,
John.

R58484956
7th March 2006, 16:31
There is a AGW Miller in the current edition of Southampton phone book, same address as shown on above macjack attachment.

Keltic Star
7th March 2006, 17:05
macjack:
Thanks for publishing the letter from Capt. Miller, brings back some very fond memories. Am inj the UK at the end of this month and might call him, he must be at least mid eighties now and think I owe him a drink after all we put him through.
Bob

macjack
7th March 2006, 21:28
MacJack,
That's marvellous - her full history. Thanks very much for that. How long ago was that article published? Do you know if Captain Miller is still alive?
Kind regards,
John.

John, that was published Dec 1992 - now I sailed on her Sept 1952, assuming he to be 40, as he was in command, having in all probability been in command elsewhere, would put his year of birth around 1912, (94) could still well be around.
Mac.

Keltic Star
15th March 2006, 05:38
Just found another pic of the Wendorian. This was the postcard that all Cadets were given after a trip aboard.

Andy
22nd January 2008, 11:34
Birdforum received the following from Tony White.

With reference to What Happened to the Wendorian?

This is from memorary, and I have no hard recorded facts.

I did 2nd Mates in '61, and about that time King Edward VII had replaced the dear old 'Wendy' with the Glen Strathalan, as I recall. The Wendorian failed her main survey, and I believe this was mainly due to
excessive corrosion in the aft region somewhere in the tailshaft area? The
costs of repair were beyond the colleges resources. She was never owned by the college, and it was said that her owner was either a dear old lady
from the west country, or that she had been left in the estate of a dear
old lady to be used for the benefit of young persons to gain experience at sea.

I assume that as funds were not available that she was scrapped. One way to find out is to search Lloyd's, and all those records are/were held at the Guildhall Library in London.

I had some great times on her, including the Billy Butlin sponsored cross channel swim of 1956 where she acted as command vessel for the smaller boats escorting the swimmers. The great man was aboard for a time, but the
weather was awful, and I don't think anyone completed the swim.

I see a caption of "Glyn Griff" in the press cutting. He went from the college to become the first master of the STA "Winston Churchill", and subsequently the Malcolm Miller.

Keltic Star
22nd January 2008, 16:19
Thanks for the update Andy.

John_F
24th January 2008, 22:30
Andy,
Many thanks for that. More foliage for the Wendorian family tree. Macjack's extract from "Ships Monthly" gave a good outline of her life, courtesy of Captain Miller, ex Master of the Wendorian. I remember him well from my days at King Ted's as a strong but fair disciplinarian. His letter to "Ships Monthly" (inserted earlier in this thread) tells the tale of her end.
Thanks once again for this additional info.
Kind regards,
John.

Tom Wood
20th September 2009, 23:14
As promised, I attach the reply I received from Capt Miller in response to my letter in " Ships Monthly " I hope this answers some of you questions.
Regards,
Mac.
I also hope my reply c/w attachment works.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/jump3.gifI had to post http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/jump3.gif(Applause) attachment http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/appl.gifthis way http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/appl.gifdue to size restrictions imposed.

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/appl.gif

Just found this web page and I'm thrilled to find out about the SY - Wendorian.
I was a cadet at K.E. V11 in 1951 and remember most of the captains (Principle Capt. Chase) Gulliver was the maintenance guy at Cromwell Rd boarding.
We trained on the Wendorian and the Magellan launch on the Thames.
I wondered if any cadets were still around - hopefully.
I would appreciate any news - I know I am a bit late but would love to hear from any cadets - Do send me an email of any news.
Thanks God Bless - Tom (Applause)

Tom Wood
26th September 2009, 17:18
(Applause)

Hi Frank,
If you are still reading the posts then please email me and we could chat.
I was also a cadet around the same time as you and would be interested to hear from others.
Be well and take care. Tom


I was a student cadet at KEVII in 1953. I have fond memories of cruising on the Wendorian. At that time Captain Griffiths was still a lecturer at the college, and one of the favorite instructors. Rumor has it that while he was still shipping-out aboard merchant vessels, a lady passenger asked why he wore a beard. An Apprentice volunteered the information that Captain Griffith had been eating peas off his knife when the ship lurched and he grew the beard to cover the resulting scar. In December 1953, returning to Wapping Basin after completing a training cruise aboard the Wendorian, I broke out in chicken-pox... at the time a highly contageous disease. The entire crew was placed in quarantine and were kept aboard the Wendorian for the entire Christmas holidays. I, however, being beyond the incubation stage of the disease was allowed to go home and spent Christmas with my family. I was not very popular when classes resumed at KEVII after Christmas. Frank Baldwin.

johnb42
26th September 2009, 18:37
A bit off topic but I did 3 months pre-sea at King Teds, Autumn term 1958.
Does anyone remember a Captain Wood who lived in the residence at Cromwell Road? Not sure what he did or why he was there, as a Mr and Mrs Owen seemed to be in general charge of the place. But Captain Wood was the sort of person who a pre-sea cadet avoided at all costs if it were possible.

John_F
26th September 2009, 19:01
A bit off topic but I did 3 months pre-sea at King Teds, Autumn term 1958.
Does anyone remember a Captain Wood who lived in the residence at Cromwell Road? Not sure what he did or why he was there, as a Mr and Mrs Owen seemed to be in general charge of the place. But Captain Wood was the sort of person who a pre-sea cadet avoided at all costs if it were possible.
JohnB42,
We must have been at King Ted's together as I did the same 3 month pre-sea training in the autumn of 58. Which Company did you go to after King Ted's?
Kind regards,
John.

johnb42
26th September 2009, 19:34
JohnB42,
We must have been at King Ted's together as I did the same 3 month pre-sea training in the autumn of 58. Which Company did you go to after King Ted's?
Kind regards,
John.

Hi John,
I went to Paddy Hendersons from King Teds.
Rgds
John

John_F
26th September 2009, 21:40
Johnb42,
Are you in this photo taken on the Wendorian October/November 58?
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=192550
Kind regards,
John.

johnb42
26th September 2009, 22:43
Johnb42,
Are you in this photo taken on the Wendorian October/November 58?
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=192550
Kind regards,
John.

Hi John,
No this wasn't my 'trip'. I think I recognise the lad to the right of the bell, but can't remember a name. The one just to the left of the bell looks like Joe Groves, but I might be way off mark.
I struggle to remember any names from my pre-sea as I only did 3 months, but I recall a Coe, a Nind, a Groves, a Dry and Jenkins who I'd been to secondary school with in Stevenage. Fee is another name that's just sprung out of my memory bank. It was all long time ago, though.
Kind regards
John

Keltic Star
27th September 2009, 07:32
A bit off topic but I did 3 months pre-sea at King Teds, Autumn term 1958.
Does anyone remember a Captain Wood who lived in the residence at Cromwell Road? Not sure what he did or why he was there, as a Mr and Mrs Owen seemed to be in general charge of the place. But Captain Wood was the sort of person who a pre-sea cadet avoided at all costs if it were possible.

I was on the one year course starting in September 1958 and remember Capt. Wood well but as you say, have no idea what he was doing there except to yell at every Cadet in his drunken stupor. Probably the most miserable specimen of human life I have ever encountered.

Mr. & Mrs. Owen were certainly the team who made the residence work and what great people they were.

Tom Wood
30th September 2009, 17:49
I was on the one year course starting in September 1958 and remember Capt. Wood well but as you say, have no idea what he was doing there except to yell at every Cadet in his drunken stupor. Probably the most miserable specimen of human life I have ever encountered.

Mr. & Mrs. Owen were certainly the team who made the residence work and what great people they were.

(Applause)
I spent a year in '51 under Capt. Chase the principle, teachers Capts. Miller, Griffiths, Fifield and the brute of a maintenance man called Gulliver who was in charge of the Cromwell Rd. residence.
He must have been fired and the Owens took over the running of the residence.
At that time there was much to be desired and a time when the senior cadets told us to strike (refuse to eat when served dinner one day).
I have many memories of the early days (teething times) at KE but would do it all over as its the best training any boy could ask for.
Cheers for those precious days - come good or bad. Come rain or shine.

johnb42
30th September 2009, 18:25
I was on the one year course starting in September 1958 and remember Capt. Wood well but as you say, have no idea what he was doing there except to yell at every Cadet in his drunken stupor. Probably the most miserable specimen of human life I have ever encountered.

Mr. & Mrs. Owen were certainly the team who made the residence work and what great people they were.

An episode I remember with clearly to this day was when the clothes iron broke. Mrs Owen being the lovely lady that she, was loaned "us" hers.
The events went something like this.
A quiet Saturday afternoon at Cromwell Road residence, cadet ironing his shirts in the ironing room. Captain Wood, full to the gills walks by. "That's Mrs Owen's iron you're using boy". "I don't know whose iron it is sir" replies the cadet. Wood's voice, fuelled by Gin/Whisky or whatever, takes on severely aggressive tone "I'm telling you, it's Mrs Owens' iron, and if you break it. I'll wrap it round your f***ing neck". Wood stumbles off to find another drink leaving cadet trembling and wondering if he's made the right career choice.
John

verawoddip
8th October 2009, 13:17
Just found this site, wasn't on the Wendorian but went to King Ted's 62/63 then into BP (British Engineer).
I recognise the names, Griffiths, Owens etc. I hated the place, full of kids who thought they were hard trying to run the place.
The Glen Strathalen was good though. I see a post mentioning it being scuttled off Portugal - how does that tie up with the fact that its triple expansion engine is in the British Science Museum?
We had to do one year's pre-sea but were only required to do the last term in residence. We also did not attend Reardon Smith but some school in Whitechapel/Stepney (I think).
I was from the East End so only did one term at Cromwell Road.

johnb42
8th October 2009, 13:42
We had to do one year's pre-sea but were only required to do the last term in residence. We also did not attend Reardon Smith but some school in Whitechapel/Stepney (I think).
I was from the East End so only did one term at Cromwell Road.

The school was Smithy Street School in Whitechapel. From the residence we had to go right across London on the tube every day South Kensington to Whitechapel.

John_F
8th October 2009, 15:14
Verawoddip,
There's a photo of Smithy Street here:
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11668&d=1226779342
I walked past it a couple of years ago & it seems to have reverted to being a secondary school again.
Kind regards,
John.

verawoddip
8th October 2009, 15:20
Thanks John, Smithy Street, that's the one.
It's all coming back to me now; trying to sail the whalers in the docks was a joke.
I remember Griffiths who was the Captain of the Glen. I liked him even though he smelt like an ashtray! Didn't he go on to master one of the disabled training ships in based in Southampton.
(My name's not Vera, really)

John_F
8th October 2009, 20:35
I remember Griffiths who was the Captain of the Glen. I liked him even though he smelt like an ashtray! Didn't he go on to master one of the disabled training ships in based in Southampton.
(My name's not Vera, really)
Captain Griffiths went on to become Master of the Malcolm Miller/Winston Churchill Sail Training Association vessels. A great sailor & a perfect gentleman with a very good sense of humour.
Kind regards,
John.

johnb42
10th October 2009, 09:51
Thanks John, Smithy Street, that's the one.
It's all coming back to me now; trying to sail the whalers in the docks was a joke.
(My name's not Vera, really)
I think "boating" was a Thursday morning job in the West India Dock. One week, instead of boating we were taken aboard a ship to see cargo being worked. Afterwards we went to a dockers cafe for a cuppa, still remember the teaspoon on a chain at the counter and brylcreem jars with mustard in, on the tables. Oh yes, and Connie Francis playing on the jukebox.

Frank Baldwin
20th November 2009, 11:39
I think Captain Griffiths told that story to all Cadets. he used it on us at dinner the first night aboard. It seemed to be icebreaker.

He and Capt. Miller took a group of us down the Thames in the whalers on a Bank Holiday weekend. We actually sailed them rather than the usual rowing in West India Dock and I was lucky to be driven back to the residence at Cromwell Road in Capt. Griffith's ancient Jag convertible. A most memorable weekend.

Any ex KEVII guy's remember the motor launch used for boatwork that was moored alongside the H.Q.S. Wellington?
Bob

I remember starting the miserable diesel engine on the launch; it had some type of manual starter. I cranked while Captain Griffiths supervised.

palomares
10th May 2010, 20:35
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/images/smilies/appl.gif

Just found this web page and I'm thrilled to find out about the SY - Wendorian.
I was a cadet at K.E. V11 in 1951 and remember most of the captains (Principle Capt. Chase) Gulliver was the maintenance guy at Cromwell Rd boarding.
We trained on the Wendorian and the Magellan launch on the Thames.
I wondered if any cadets were still around - hopefully.
I would appreciate any news - I know I am a bit late but would love to hear from any cadets - Do send me an email of any news.
Thanks God Bless - Tom (Applause)

I also was a cadet at King Edwards in 1951 and joined the Wendorian in Southampton to sail her back to London. Quite an eventful trip as it turned out, not only was she a day late due to gales in the channel on her way from the Channel Islands but after going to Ramsgate for the night we had to leave because of a forecast of more gales and that night was spent at sea the night of the Lynton and Lynmouth disaster. May I also add what a wonderful man Capt. Griffiths was!

Glyn Howell
2nd November 2010, 22:21
Have just joined this outfit! I was at KEVII late 1951 and it is nostalgic to read the many names of Captains of Wendorian. Does anyone remember the name of the PE instructor, an ex RN chap who liked to pick smaller members to demonstrate on. Therewas amongst us a chap called Green who was an amateur champion who really floored him as he omitted to inform him that he had had some experience. And what was the name of the Bursar, he liked to demonstrate the straight and narrow by using the idea of spilt Brasso drying out and showing later. I went to Anglo Saxon Petroleum to do my apprenticeship. Glyn Howell, now retired 10 years.

Tom Wood
3rd November 2010, 00:33
Have just joined this outfit! I was at KEVII late 1951 and it is nostalgic to read the many names of Captains of Wendorian. Does anyone remember the name of the PE instructor, an ex RN chap who liked to pick smaller members to demonstrate on. Therewas amongst us a chap called Green who was an amateur champion who really floored him as he omitted to inform him that he had had some experience. And what was the name of the Bursar, he liked to demonstrate the straight and narrow by using the idea of spilt Brasso drying out and showing later. I went to Anglo Saxon Petroleum to do my apprenticeship. Glyn Howell, now retired 10 years.

Hi Glyn,
Great to have a response especially from someone who may have been a class mate. I have tried to find others but they were later members of the college.
Some refere to a Mr. Wood (unknown to me) and NOT me. We had a guy called Gulliver (caretaker of Cromwell Rd.)
We had a P.I who taught boxing by the name of Etchin (spelling ?) -Said to be an ex-champion but not in my history research.
His job was to toughen us up but also caused medical problems (long story). Wendorian (Capt. Miller) and Capt. Chase and Ballard heads of college. Leckie and Somner the whalers and Magellan the launch.
Norris tables were found to be in error (do you remember).
I'm trying to monitor the good, bad, and ugly times for such a young group of enthusiasts who went thru' WW2.
I have a friend who writes about boxing champs but "Etchin" doesn't come to mind.
If you come across any memories - do keep in touch.
Kind regards Tom (ret'd industrial engineer)

smethy
27th December 2010, 22:42
I have 3 framed press photos of the sy wendorian dated 1947.
I believe she was broken up and sold for scrap, her engine was auntioned off at Aylsham.
Does anyone have anymore info?

Graham the pipe
11th February 2011, 17:04
Have just spent a 'somewhat nostalgic' time reading about the Wendorian, Cromwell Road, Smithy Street and other facts associated with King Ted's. Was there in '57 before signing my parchment, with EDs of Liverpool, complete with my one and one half month's hard earned remission of sea time. Anyone reading this who remembers the murder of the Polish Countess, in Gloucester Road tube station, must have been a compatriot, so 'let's hear from you'!

borderreiver
11th February 2011, 20:03
For Captain Chase please see the pic of his last day
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/175569/title/2-mates-cleasses-at-king-teds-london/cat/500
Hope the link works

Geoff Gower
8th September 2011, 16:25
I have just spent a very emorable half hour reading the items on here.Was at King Ted's 1954-5 and sailed 3 times on Wendorian,the last on a trip round to Brighton with Capt. Griffith's (& old Ted the cook.engineer!!!).Also spent many a day seamanship training rowing the whalers moored at the Discovery (remember climbing out along the midship boom and sliding down the rope).An interesting part of my life and one full of happy (but hard) memories.

Graham the pipe
8th September 2011, 21:32
Hi Geoff,

How's this for coincidence? Have just read your 'input' on the Wendorian and then noticed when I posted my comments. Precisely one year ago, to the day! Who did you serve your time with and did you 'see it through' to Masters?

GTP

Geoff Gower
9th September 2011, 12:02
Hi Geoff,

How's this for coincidence? Have just read your 'input' on the Wendorian and then noticed when I posted my comments. Precisely one year ago, to the day! Who did you serve your time with and did you 'see it through' to Masters?

GTP

(Read)Only found this site by mistake whilst trying to find old haunts and info covering my 9 years at sea.
No,did not make Masters- or for that matter 2nd Mates and left the sea at the time I should take the cert.Good old days and gave me all the resilience needed for a long working life as I have just retired from full time work at the age of 73+.
Served as 3rd and for about 2 months as 2nd with Temple Steamship.
Am still finding my way around this system and feel that a lot is missing as it appears there is no immediate access to current postings.
I have photo of my intiial trip on the wendorian in 1954 but little else other than the excitement and hard labour of lifeboat drills and Capt Miller addressing us on deck at 7:00am all wrapped up in jerseys etc. and him in his flannel pyjamas!! Impressed we were.. Geoff(Pint)