WW 11 - Fishing Boat

Paul UK
8th October 2005, 08:53
Anyone have any info at all about a WW11 converted Fishing boat/Minesweeper called FYLDEA or FYLDIA Pics would be great.

Paul UK

Sorry no other info at all !! Just been asked if I can find anything

ruud
8th October 2005, 09:25
Ahoy Paul,
Here name was FYLDEA

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1319/fyldea1uh.th.gif (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fyldea1uh.gif)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2198/fyldeasweep8mm.th.gif (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fyldeasweep8mm.gif)
TechnicalOfficial Number162059Gross Tonnage 377Length151 ftBreadth25 ftDraught13.4 ftBuilt atSelby 1930OwnerJ Marr & SonHistory1930Built for J. Marr & Son as FYLDEA. 1939Requisitioned By RN as a minesweeper FY.666. 1946Returned to owner. August 25 1946Bought by Ocean Steam Trawling Co Ltd, Hull as HOWARD (H 160).1948bought By Iago Steam Trawling Co and renamed RED DRAGON (LO 381). 1958Sold for scrap

ray1buck1
8th October 2005, 11:09
Hi Ruud
I may be wrong; my information gives the Official Number 162058 as “Dinamar” built 1930
162059 is the “FYLDEA” also built 1930 it may be that my list has been transposed
Ray

ruud
8th October 2005, 11:59
Ahoy Ray,

Here's what I found at BOSUN's WATCH, so I'm not sure as well , but believe they've got the right details.

http://www.fleetwood-trawlers.connectfree.co.uk/fyldea.html

Ps.I also found the DINAMAR,and indeed the same number:
So how can?

http://www.mikes-place.connectfree.co.uk/fwdgal4/dinamar.html

ray1buck1
8th October 2005, 12:12
Ruud Your are probable right my info came from http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ON160000.htm

anyone got LLoyds register ??
Regards Ray

ruud
8th October 2005, 12:21
Ahoy Ray,

Here the answer:
162058 DINAMAR1930

162059 FYLDEA1930

So the FYLDEA should have 162059


Have already made the changes,thanks for being so alert!

ray1buck1
8th October 2005, 12:49
A useful web site
wish I had the Lloyds register, but a bit to expensive. I spent hours tracking down all the Eagle Oil tankers

Regards Ray

Paul UK
9th October 2005, 10:07
Many Thanks Everybody

I will pass info on, see nothing is out of reach of the members of this fantastic site.

Paul (Applause)

dparkinson7
22nd October 2007, 02:35
Paul, I have some detailed knowledge of this ship as my father served on her for several years Pleas let me know your interest. David P

gil mayes
22nd October 2007, 18:15
Sorry I missed this post earlier. From FMHT database.

DINAMAR (FD73) (1930-1939)
O.N. 162058. 356g 178n 140.0 x 25.0 x 13.4 feet
10.1939: Lengthened to 155.7 feet now 366g (Smith’s Dock Co Ltd, Middlesbrough)
T.3-cyl by Amos & Smith Ltd, Hull

1.2.1930: Launched by Cochrane & Sons Ltd, Selby (Yd.No.1071) for Dinas Steam Trawling Co Ltd, Fleetwood as Dinamar. 14.3.1930: Registered at Fleetwood (FD73). 3.1930: Completed. 1.8.1930: Mortgaged to William Deacons Bank Ltd, London. 1931: Top port landings-641 tons, highest single trip- 94 tons. 1932: Top port landings -711 tons. 1934: Highest single trip- 88 tons. 1936: Top port landings -941 tons. 10.1938: Sold to Standard Steam Fishing Co Ltd, Grimsby. 28.10.1938: Fleetwood registry closed. 11.1938: Registered at Grimsby (GY541). 1.1939: Renamed Silanion (GY541). 1.1940: Requisitioned for war service and converted for boom defence duties (P.No. Z.116). 12.1945: Reclassed at Grimsby and returned. 1946: Transferred to Hull. 8.1948: Sold to White Trawlers Ltd, Hull (C. Taylor & Others)(Basil A. Parkes, manager). 8.1948: Grimsby registry closed. 8.1948: Renamed White Flower (H577). 1954: Sold for demolition.

FYLDEA (1) (FD72) (1930-1946)
O.N. 162059. 355g 149n 140.4 x 25.0 x 13.4 feet
1936: Lengthened - 151.5 377g 149n (Smith’s Dock Co Ltd, Middlesbrough)
T.3-cyl by Amos & Smith Ltd, Hull

15.2.1930: Launched by Cochrane & Sons Ltd, Selby (Yd.No.1072) for J. Marr & Son Ltd, Fleetwood as Fyldea. 24.3.1930: Registered at Fleetwood (FD72). 3.1930: Completed. 1934: Transferred to City Steam Fishing Co Ltd, Hull. Fishing from Hull. 21.7.1936: Re-registered following alteration in length. 9.1939: Requisitioned for war service and converted for minesweeping duties (magnetic) (P.No.FY.666). 30.1.1942: Based Lowestoft. Shot down German aircraft (JU88) near 54G buoy off Norfolk coast; one body recovered. 1945: Fleetwood registry closed. Registered at Hull (H160). 11.1945: Reclassed at Glasgow. 12.1945: Returned. 25.8.1946: Sold to The Ocean Steam Trawling Co Ltd, Hull. 1947: Renamed Howard (H160). 1948: Sold to Iago Steam Trawler Co Ltd, Fleetwood (Cdr. E. D. W. Lawford DSO, manager). Renamed Red Dragon (LO381). 18.2.1958: Sold for demolition.
Gil.

Kerbtrawler
23rd October 2007, 10:50
Hi Gil,
Don't suppose you have any details of when the DINAMAR FD 73 / GY 541 was lengthened?
By the way I am slowly updating the Northern Records

thanks

OPPS helps if I Read the full post

dparkinson7
24th October 2007, 02:19
For the record, Fyldea had quite an interesting WW2 service. Originally based out of Dover as part of a minesweeping flotilla, she served as the senior ship. Just prior to Dunkirk she sailed as part of a group of trawlers and commandeered yachts to liberate some soldiers from Calais. The exercise was aborted and all ships came under heavy fire when they turned back to Dover.
She made 4 trips to Dunkirk from Dover and was one of the 6 trawlers berthed alongside the East Mole during a Stuka attack. HMS Grenade was immediately ahead of Fyldea when she took a bomb down the funnel and exploded. One of the trawlers (Calvi) sank in situ after a direct hit. Another one was able to leave the Mole but sank later. Yet another one (possibly John Cattling) took the burning Grenade in tow and pulled her off the Mole to the other side of the harbour. Although not in the official record, an eyewitness told me Fyldea was helping with the tow by constantly ramming Grenade away from the Mole. If these actions had not been taken and Grenade had sank at her mooring the whole evacuation from the Mole would have been prejudiced.

In a later incident Fyldea was partnered with Botanic, sweeping off the Humber, when Botanic took a hit from a German bomber and slowly sank. Fyldea took Botanic in tow but in vain. All Botanic's crew were rescued except for one casualty from the explosion. Skipper of Botanic at this time was Philip Kay, a Fleetwood man.

(Much of this information came to me courtesy of Roger Griffiths who I see is a member here!)

In fishing circles Fyldea/Red Dragon was rather infamous and described to me as "a ***** for laying over".

billyboy
24th October 2007, 07:03
gentlemen I am enthralled at this information about ww11 trawlers and the important part they played in the war effort.
I am against a brick wall here trying to find out the wartime information or any stories about another trawler. she was the "Ben behula" A422. My late father was skippering her out of Newhaven during the war. I believe she went out to the Mediteranian after that for a while. later she sailed out of Fleetwood as a trawler once more. I would be gratefull for any other information on her. love to hear about what she got up to. My late Father never spoke much about his wartime experiences.

gil mayes
24th October 2007, 07:27
Cannot give you any anecdotes about her WW2 career because we have so far concentrated mainly on establishing an accurate history profile for each steam trawler associated with Fleetwood. From the FMHT database. (Origin of original name and period (in brackets) at Fleetwood.)

BEN BHEULA (A422) (1942-1953)
Ad.No. 3724. O.N. 146616. 275g 108n 125.6 x 23.4 x 12.6 feet
T.3-cyl by Shields Engineering Co Ltd, North Shields

16.11.1917: Launched by J. P. Rennoldson & Sons Ltd, North Shields (Yd.No.311) (“Castle” class) for The Admiralty as Thomas Dowding. 22.12.1917: Completed. 16.8.1922: Registered by The Admiralty as a fishing vessel at London (LO550). 4.1923: Sold to Hellyer Bros Ltd, Hull. 23.4.1923: London registry closed. 4.1923: Renamed Leonato (H861) pre 1927: Sold to Hull Northern Fishing Co Ltd, Hull (W. R. Nowell, manager). pre1930: Hellyer Bros Ltd became managers. 1936: Sold to R. Irvin & Sons Ltd, Aberdeen. Renamed Ben Bheula (A422). 8.1939: Requisitioned for war service and converted for minesweeping duties (P.No. FY.1681). 13.1.1942: Sold to J. Marr & Son Ltd, Fleetwood for £8200. 10.1945: Returned and re-classed at Glasgow. 1945: Sold to Pegasus Trawling Co Ltd, St. Anne’s-on-the-Sea (William Stevenson, St. Anne’s-on-the-Sea, manager) for £20000. 3.1949: Stranded at Caolila, Sound of Islay. Refloated and returned to service. 1952: Managers became J. Marr & Son Ltd, Fleetwood. 16.7.1953: Sold for demolition.
(Thomas Dowding, Quartergunner (prest), age 38, b. Dorset - VICTORY (SB458))
Gil.

Roger Griffiths
24th October 2007, 19:46
Hello Billyboy,
Tracing detailed information on WW2 RN trawlers can be quite difficult unless an individual ship was at the centre of the action, re LADY SHIRLEY for example. In a lot of official documents, such as some convoy reports, the names of the trawler is not given mealy being referred to simply as Trawler/s.
I can find nothing on BEN BHEULA WW2 in my limited records.
If you want to find out more I suggest you try and get hold of her movements which may be in the national archive in ADM199/2547
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=8307037&CATLN=6&accessmethod=5
If there is nothing there try the RED LISTS in ADM208
I don't know if your dad was RN RNR RNVR but there may be some detail of him
http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RNVR_officersN.html


regards
Roger

billyboy
24th October 2007, 22:06
Many thanks Roger, I will get on it right away. thanks again Billyboy

Seafordpete
3rd November 2007, 10:04
Hi Billy Boy, just had a check through of my transcripts of the NN harbour logs- can't find her under any of the names /numbers given-any idea of roughly what date she was at NN? Pete

billyboy
18th September 2008, 10:05
I know she was at Newhaven form 1939 till 1942. in fact there is a picture of my Late father aboard her in one of the albums marked 1942 at the museum there
I am impressed that she lasted till 1953. 46 years of service she gave.
My late Father skippered her and was sent down from Aberdeen to Lowestoft for training then on to Newhaven. My late Mother came down from Aberdeen too. thats how i came to be born in England instead of Aberdeen.
I know too that my late father took her up to Fleetwood after the war and left her there.
He was quite notorious around Newhaven at that time, noted for overindulging and fighting. The stresses of war eh!