El Paraguayo

geronimo
25th October 2005, 17:09
This reefer ship was broken up in 1937.
I am interested in any photographs of her, I have researched her history
via the Times archives and have seen only three photographs (one in Liverpool
Bay, one in a book and one as an advert for her owners Houlder Brothers & Co. Ltd).

non descript
4th February 2006, 14:19
I know very little about "El Paraguayo" apart from that she was built by Irvine's for Houlders; but whilst owned by the former was possibly operated in the fleet of the Furness Withy & Co Ltd owned "British & Argentine Steam Navigation Co., Ltd." - hence the name not being a "Grange". She was probabaly delivered in 1912. She was sold for scrap in 1936 and delivered to breakers in 1937.

R58484956
4th February 2006, 15:36
Welcome geronimo to the site enjoy it and all it has to offer.

non descript
19th February 2006, 11:22
I found a couple of extra bits of information, but I am still lacking much genuine knowledge of this very early fully refrigerated cargo ship. She was definitely built in 1912 and was one of the first Houlders ships to be armed, having two 4.7 inch guns fitted during December 1913.

In passing, the first Houlder Brother ship to be armed, under the initiative started by Winston Churchill, was her sister ship, the "La Correntina" in March 1913 - not that it helped her much, as she was captured by the KRONPRINZ WILHELM on 7th October 1914, although maybe the fact that whilst she had guns, she did not carry any ammunition had some bearing on the outcome! After her ammunition-less guns had been removed and transferred to the KRONPRINZ WILHELM, she was scuttled on 14-10-1914.

Bruce Carson
19th February 2006, 14:31
Welcome, Geronimo.
Enjoy the information and the good natured fun found here.

There is a small picture of the ship at the following site:
http://www.merseysideviews.com/Merchant%20Vessels/Houlder/pages/Her%2006.htm

Bruce C.

non descript
20th February 2006, 21:31
Well done Bruce, an excellent site. Thanks for the link.

Tonga

geronimo
16th March 2006, 14:11
Thanks for all the welcomes, I have seen earlier the photograph of her
in Liverpool bay as mentioned by Bruce, thanks anyway for your time.
Also thanks to Tonga for the additional info regarding her armaments,
i did not know that.
Will post further info that I gained from the Times archives for those
interested.


regards,


geronimo.

benjidog
16th March 2006, 17:07
Geronimo,

When you have collated your information you may wish to start a thread for this ship in the Ships Research forum and put the info in there for the benefit of anyone else interested.

Brian

geronimo
17th March 2006, 14:05
Thanks benjidog, I will do that. :)

non descript
14th April 2006, 16:14
Geronimo,

You have have already found the site, but in case not:

http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/GenBosunWilson.html

there you may find a reference to Captain George Frederick Wilson, who in the years between 1912-1935 made near eighty journeys to South America in command of various Houlder Line vessels. These included the steamers “Sutherland Grange” between 1912-1918 including nine voyages during the hostilities of World War One, “El Paraguayo” (1919-1921), and “Hardwicke Grange”(1921-1925).

Kind regards
Tonga

philipeagles
21st May 2006, 12:37
This reefer ship was broken up in 1937.
I am interested in any photographs of her, I have researched her history
via the Times archives and have seen only three photographs (one in Liverpool
Bay, one in a book and one as an advert for her owners Houlder Brothers & Co. Ltd).
hello Geronimo
just wondering if you found any further info on El Paraguayo? my great grandfather was captain from 19/5/1919 to 1921. so would be interested in anything from that period
philip eagles

geronimo
1st June 2006, 13:23
A West Hartlepool Launch.-There was

A.WEST HARTLEPOOL LAUNCH.- There was
launched on Monday at the yard of Irvine’s Ship-
building and Dry Docks Company (Limited),
West Hartlepool, the first of the twin-screw insul
ated steamers built to the order of Birt,Potter and
Hughes (Limited). The vessel, which was named
The El Paraguayo, is intended to take her place
In the new fortnightly express service of steamers
between the River Plate and Liverpool, which is
shortly to be inaugurated jointly by her owners
and Furness,Withy, and Co.(Limited).
The El Paraguayo is believed to be the largest
meat carrier yet constructed, having an insulated
capacity of over 405,000 cubic feet, the whole of
which space is fitted both for the carriage of
chilled or frozen meat.
Accommodation for a limited number of first-
class passengers is provided in a deckhouse on
the fore-end of the bridge deck, with a handsome
roomy saloon in light oak with mahogany dado,
and there is also accommodation for about 400
emigrants under the bridge deck with additional
provision for family parties aft in the shelter deck.
The machinery consists of twin-screw triple-
expansion engines, and was constructed by
Richardsons Westgarth and Co. (Limited).


From The Times, Wednesday,Oct 25, 1911; pg22; Issue 39725;col C

geronimo
1st June 2006, 13:27
Have posted in Research Forum first article from the Times search, will post
further items at a later date.


geronimo.

zelo1954
1st June 2006, 23:43
Hi:
There's a photo on the Solent Shippping site:

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum/Old%20Ship%20Picture%20Gallery/E/slides/El%20Paraguayo.jpg

geronimo
7th June 2006, 18:35
Thanks zelo1954 for the picture.


geronimo.

geronimo
7th June 2006, 18:36
Waste Of Tonnage. FRANK H. HOULDER..
Category: Letters to the Editor
WASTE OF TONNAGE.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.

Sir,- In your issues of the 19th and 20th inst.
you draw attention to the slow discharge of
La Rosarina at Cardiff. This is only one, and
not the most serious, of the delays which
shipping is at the present time experiencing.
Steamers loading general cargo in Liverpool
and London are compelled to proceed to the
Bristol Channel for bunkers, and as an example
I may give you our steamship Baronesa, which
after loading general cargo in London for the
River Plate, was detained 27 days in Newport
bunkering- long enough for her to have arrived
in Buenos Aires and been partly loaded.
El Paraguayo, after loading in Liverpool, was
detained 15 days in Newport. Many other
instances could be given.
The result of the delay of these refrigerated boats
is most serious. Before the war the schedule time
for the round voyage of our twin-screw steamers
was 70 days. The average time occupied on the
12 most recent voyages is 97 days – an increase
of about 40 per cent. This means that the seven
steamers are now bringing 40,000 tons less per
annum than they would have before the war.
This example concerns only our seven twin-
screw steamers but it probably applies to all
other refrigerated steamships. Can anyone
wonder that the Food Controller is anxious
regarding the shortage of meat ?
Yours truly,
FRANK H.HOULDER.
146, Leadenhall-street, E.C.3, Sept. 22
From The Times , Tuesday, Sep 23, 1919; pg.6; Issue 42212; colC

geronimo
9th June 2006, 12:41
Casualty Reports. (FROM LLOYD’S).
Category: Shipping News

CASUALTY REPORTS.
(FROM LLOYD’S.)

Southend, May 9.- Steamer EL PARAGUAYO. Of
Liverpool, before reported with machinery trouble,
Passed inwards to-day, under own steam.
Tugs in attendance.
Gravesend, May 9- British s. EL PARAGUAYO,
Buenos Aires for Royal Albert Dock, passed here
to-day.


From The TIMES, Saturday, May 10, 1924; pg.20; Issue 43648;col B

non descript
20th April 2007, 17:56
Geronimo,

I can add a few more facts and a slightly clearer copy of the photograph that appears in the link on # 5. – The image is from the D.H Johnzon collection and we recognise his copyright on this.

The El Paraguayo was one of five sister ships ordered by British & Argentine Steam Navigation Co., Ltd., but during the building, two of the ships were taken up by Houlder Brothers, but their names were not changed, so El Paraguayo and La Correntina (which also has a passing reference at # 4) entered into Houlders service, but with non-typical Houlder Brothers names.

El Paraguayo was delivered in June 1912 and as we have seen, was broken up in 1937.

geronimo
20th June 2007, 17:53
Thanks Tonga for the photograph and further info on the reefer.
I have attempted to gain permission to copy and reproduce a
photograph from a maritime book printed by Conway Maritime
Press, I e-mailed the relevant party but received no reply.
What are the rules regarding copyright laws, I would love to post
this photograph of the reefer on this site.

non descript
20th June 2007, 17:56
Thanks Tonga for the photograph and further info on the reefer.
I have attempted to gain permission to copy and reproduce a
photograph from a maritime book printed by Conway Maritime
Press, I e-mailed the relevant party but received no reply.
What are the rules regarding copyright laws, I would love to post
this photograph of the reefer on this site.

Please go ahead and upload it and kindly just give the credit for the copyright as far as you know - I will watch you back and edit if it needs it. (Thumb)

sallyrb74
5th October 2013, 19:37
Hi all, I have just joined this site as I have what I believe is a photograph of the ship El Paraguayo, I think, but need to research a little more, my grandfather Fredrick Rice was part of ships staff. Will attach the photograph which was taken ashore off Brazil
Sally