Shieldhall

Stevo
6th April 2010, 17:15
I heard a rumour that the preserved Southampton based Shieldhall has come up against some problems lately. Someone mentioned on a previous thread that it was funding related, I also heard that there was a new EU regulation that would limit the ship's ability to carry passengers out of Southampton water owing to her not being designed for passenger carrying. Can any one shed some light on this rumour and new regulation from our Brussels masters!?

James_C
6th April 2010, 17:17
It shouldn't be up to the EU in any shape or form as the MCA has the power to grant exemptions to any vessel in respect of SOLAS/MARPOL etc as long as they're in some way justifiable - i.e. watertight subdivision on 'Waverley' (they wanted to put a bulkhead right in the middle of the engine room, ergo no engine!).

chadburn
6th April 2010, 17:35
Stevo, I only heard about her funding problem's, strange about "Passenger Carrying" as she did carry them when she was a working Bovril Boat although these day's it may be that an unaffordable Insurance Premium could be the "Nail in the Coffin" which would be a great pity as she is one of the best example's of a working pair of VTE's around.

R58484956
6th April 2010, 18:20
Shieldhall can only carry paxs as far as the Nab Tower, something to do with EU maritime regulations.

B Wales
2nd January 2011, 23:20
Looks that "Sheildhall" is facing some Funding shortfull of Funds as reported in Southampton's Daily Echo Today.

"SS Shieldhall could be scrapped if vital funds cannot be found"

Sunday 2nd January 2011

TIME is running out in the campaign to save a historic steamship,
writes Emma Streatfield.

It is feared that Hampshire-based SS Shieldhall – described as an important part of Britain’s maritime heritage – could be scrapped if vital funds cannot be found.

As reported by the Daily Echo in November, an emergency appeal has been launched to save the vessel.

The largest remaining sea-going steamship, based at the Port of Southampton, needs its MoT next spring at a cost of £80,000, without which it will be refused a licence to sail and will be broken up.

The deadline inspection date is May.

Built in 1955, SS Shieldhall gives cruises in the Solent and along the south coast of England and is operated by a fully qualified crew together with a shore-based support staff, all of whom are unpaid volunteers.

It is a working example of ship machinery above and below deck that is representative of cargo and passenger ships at sea from the 1870s until the 1960s.

Since 2009, it has been the flagship of the National Historic Ships, a collection of vessels which also includes HMS Victory, Cutty Sark, the former Royal Yacht Britannia, and the paddle steamer Waverley.

The repairs include fuel to take the vessel to a Falmouth shipyard, the docking itself and the maintenance work.

Despite applying for more than 30 grants, so far this has proved unsuccessful.

The charity which runs the ship, The Solent Steam Packet Ltd, is behind the ongoing appeal.

Managing director Graham Mackenzie said it relied solely on revenue from fares and donations to survive.

He said: “Without emergency funding, the historic SS Shieldhall will lose her passenger certificate and therefore her main source of income.

“There may be little choice but to send her to the breaker’s yard.

“This is devastating news for a sea-faring nation and a tragic legacy to leave our children.” • For more information visit ss-shieldhall.co.uk

brimar
2nd January 2011, 23:43
Check out AIS-LIVE.co.uk sub menu's NEWS, SOLENT NEWS....More info there about money required to Dry Dock her in Possibly Falmouth.

chadburn
3rd January 2011, 17:05
It would be an absolute disgrace if this vessel ended up scrapped after all the time and effort that has been put into her by the Volunteer's who man her and have raised the Funding in the past.

B Wales
3rd January 2011, 22:32
Check out AIS-LIVE.co.uk sub menu's NEWS, SOLENT NEWS....More info there about money required to Dry Dock her in Possibly Falmouth.

If it costs too much to have her going to Falmouth, why not Portsmouth Dockyard, even if it works out more for Docking, it would be cheaper to get there, even being Towed if need be.

Another idea to save Running Costs, is prehaps some Bio Fuel Product as I assume they use some sort of Heating Oil Grade for the Boilers?.

stores
4th January 2011, 02:02
HI, If it was not for the gallant band of unpaid volunteers this country would not have a marine heritage, everything would be scrapped, the Medway Queen was maintained by dedicated such people, for years refused financial help, untill now , when too late to save original hull, now just a replica, goverment does not want to know, , unless it applies to making false expense claims, then they are on the ball, its ok to send billions in aid to so called 3rd world countries, the biggest bandits going, and the amount has been increased, does not matter about UK Heritage, the thousands of hours given by dedicated people counts for nothing, i think all the Ostriches in Africa are extinct, they are all here with there heads in the sand, too many so called do gooders, ! too many stupid Health and Safety rules, makes me wonder how we survived or progressed befor . but we did. but it wont change. you have to be some strange alien organisation to receive help from anyone now. STORES.

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 02:18
HI, If it was not for the gallant band of unpaid volunteers this country would not have a marine heritage, everything would be scrapped, the Medway Queen was maintained by dedicated such people, for years refused financial help, untill now , when too late to save original hull, now just a replica, goverment does not want to know, , unless it applies to making false expense claims, then they are on the ball, its ok to send billions in aid to so called 3rd world countries, the biggest bandits going, and the amount has been increased, does not matter about UK Heritage, the thousands of hours given by dedicated people counts for nothing, i think all the Ostriches in Africa are extinct, they are all here with there heads in the sand, too many so called do gooders, ! too many stupid Health and Safety rules, makes me wonder how we survived or progressed befor . but we did. but it wont change. you have to be some strange alien organisation to receive help from anyone now. STORES.

Yeesh - they're only ships - bits of steel joined together in the right order. I mean for heavens sake how many old ships do we need and exactly why should the government be paying for them.
That not withstanding, I salute those volunteers who have kept many of these relics going for the enjoyment of others including myself, but lets not get too carried away with their importance in the big scheme of things
H&S - not everyone survived or progressed - people on ships and in the yards died, stupidly, preventably and with monotonous regularity.

Ron Stringer
4th January 2011, 08:28
H&S - not everyone survived or progressed - people on ships and in the yards died, stupidly, preventably and with monotonous regularity.

Now come on SM, that is stretching it a bit! Very few people die with monotonous regularity - the vast majority die only once.

NoMoss
4th January 2011, 08:42
Just been on the Shieldhall website and it is very easy to make a donation online plus with gift aid it is increased by 25%.
It occurs to me that it wouldn't take many members of SN giving £10 to reach the required figure quite quickly and without much strain to anyone.

Tony D
4th January 2011, 10:12
Of course if it was a couple of square feet of canvas painted badly by some continental drink addled feckwit the Lotto fund committee would be wetting their collective frilly knickers to hand over millions for it.
(MAD)

NoMoss
4th January 2011, 11:20
The appeal calculates that it will cost £11 per minute for about five days and invites people to sponsor a minute.

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 11:50
Now come on SM, that is stretching it a bit! Very few people die with monotonous regularity - the vast majority die only once.

(Jester)True

What can I say - it was late and I wasn't concentrating(K)

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 11:53
Of course if it was a couple of square feet of canvas painted badly by some continental drink addled feckwit the Lotto fund committee would be wetting their collective frilly knickers to hand over millions for it.
(MAD)

example?

chadburn
4th January 2011, 12:02
example?

Picasso(Hippy), do you make any sense of them?

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 12:20
Picasso(Hippy), do you make any sense of them?

I'm fairly ambivelent towards Picasso, some of his work is wonderful but Cubism tends to give me a headache, my Mothers neighbour is absolutely mad about him (and Renoir). As a general rule though I prefer Modern Art to many of the more classical forms.

Tony D
4th January 2011, 12:31
Example?
RAPHAEL'S Madonna of the Pinks The Madonna of the Pinks (circa 1506-1507, Italian: La Madonna dei garofani) is an early devotional painting by the Italian Renaissance master Raphael. It is painted in oils on fruitwood and now hangs in the National Gallery, London.
..... Click the link for more information. has been saved for the nation with an [pounds sterling]11.5 million Heritage Lottery Fund grant.

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 12:45
Example?
RAPHAEL'S Madonna of the Pinks The Madonna of the Pinks (circa 1506-1507, Italian: La Madonna dei garofani) is an early devotional painting by the Italian Renaissance master Raphael. It is painted in oils on fruitwood and now hangs in the National Gallery, London.
..... Click the link for more information. has been saved for the nation with an [pounds sterling]11.5 million Heritage Lottery Fund grant.

One of the most ground breaking and famous renaissance paintings from a true master. Internationally extremely significant and remarkably maintenance free. .

Of course it may not be to everyones taste but a I would wager that it will give pleasure and inspiration to a lot more people for an awful lot longer than any preserved steamship

On balance I would say a better investment than an old steamship.

Its not really comparing like with like though, there is a place for art in this world as there is a place for industrial heritage or that matter agricultural heritage. Big problem with heritage pieces are they cost an absolute fortune to maintain - so it goes without saying there will be a limit to their number.

Tony D
4th January 2011, 12:53
I dont think the average granny or pensioner or single mum buying his or her lotto tickets in the the corner shop care doodely squat about the renaissance or its painting, saved for the nation my arrse,saved for the arty farty elites more likely,elites that have far to much influence on how lottery monies are distributed, mostly to their friends in the arts from what I can see,with the occasional crumb thrown to the real world.
The Vulcan Flying and the Tornado built without a crumb from those bastards

Satanic Mechanic
4th January 2011, 12:59
I dont think the average granny or pensioner or single mum buying his or her lotto tickets in the the corner shop care doodely squat about the renaissance or its painting, saved for the nation my arrse,saved for the arty farty elites more likely,elites that have far to much influence on how lottery monies are distributed, mostly to their friends in the arts from what I can see,with the occasional crumb thrown to the real world.
The Vulcan Flying and the Tornado built without a crumb from those bastards

Ach well - I rather like it

Tony D
4th January 2011, 13:23
Sorry Mr S,one was a tad harsh but I have a particular Bee in my bonnet about the arts or what passes for same these days,one is not a complete philistine.
Still,I prefer the way we filled our museums in the past, we didnt need no lottery fund grant, our chaps just went ashore kicked the natives arrses and took what we wanted,now the cheeky buggas are all howling for it back.
;):rolleyes:

Stevo
9th January 2011, 08:29
A lot of lotto money is wasted and it can be argued that some is wasted on heritage even the Medway Queen which has had a fair share pumped into it and for what? The Shieldhall is hardly a great example of our maritime heritage and asvfor her engines the average person in the street does not care, in their minds it too will be a waste of lotto money.

NoMoss
9th January 2011, 10:32
I agree, everyone has a different view on what should be protected/preserved and how money is spent.
I believe that an old operating steamship, of admittedly uninspiring background, is worth spending a relativly small amount of money to keep it operational. I have sent my donation which will pay for one minute of the proposed dry-docking time and it is up to individuals to make their own choices and decisions.

bplegs
10th January 2011, 13:56
A lot of lotto money is wasted and it can be argued that some is wasted on heritage even the Medway Queen which has had a fair share pumped into it and for what? The Shieldhall is hardly a great example of our maritime heritage and asvfor her engines the average person in the street does not care, in their minds it too will be a waste of lotto money.

Got to say that I agree. Would much rather save the old "Calshot Tug" that is moored in Southampton. Much nicer than a bovril barge...

captain61
10th January 2011, 16:23
Looks like HMS Victory will be getting all the lotto money after the news about the state of the ship

Stephen

NoMoss
10th January 2011, 16:53
Got to say that I agree. Would much rather save the old "Calshot Tug" that is moored in Southampton. Much nicer than a bovril barge...

I agree the Calshot is well worth saving too. I nearly worked on her in the late 50s.
Any idea how much is required?
However, the Shieldhall does take passengers on cruises and the bridge and engine room are open to visitors. It is a very pleasant smooth ship and the volunteer catering staff provide excellent reasonably priced food.

snooper
11th January 2011, 21:37
Over the years i've had a handful of day trips on the Shieldhall,all leaving wonderful memories.
Although i was simply a fare passenger,I learnt much concerning marine steam engines & the role of a ships captain on the bridge.
I doubt you have any other vessels in the world where you can stand amongst steam boilers or stand on a ships bridge at sea?
We are not all mariners or retired ships crews,some of us though have a love & passion of the maritime world...
Do we want to spend £20 to look at a valuable painting in an art gallery?
Or do we educate our offspring about the workings of marine steam engines,with perhaps some maritime engineering/seamanship thrown in?
What is very clear, is as Adults we have the choice dont we?
However,If you '''Dont'' pay £20 at the ''Tate'',Renior & Constable they will still be there 50 years time!
If you ''Dont'' travel on the Shieldhall or contribute to her 'Appeal',
she will go too the Breakers & we will loose another small slice of our History.Sadly a familier story which includes Concorde,QE2,Ark Royal,Routemaster Bus etc etc
Yes,we have the choice where our Lottery grants/funds should be used,but its imperitve the decisions are on a fair basis,not showing preferences to certain causes as we all hear about....

Blackal
13th January 2011, 19:19
Re: Shieldhall.......

Did you ever meet John Foulis (served in various positions from AB Seaman to Chief Engineer - I believe........ us engineers are very versitile ;))

Al :)

dan cross
22nd May 2011, 01:46
After raising all but £80K to get to dry-dock, seems all is not well.
Apparently her passenger license will not be getting renewed at this time. see:

http://www.ss-shieldhall.co.uk/Shieldhall/Dry_Dock_Blog/Entries/2011/5/19_Day_3_Part_2.html

Solentphotographer
5th October 2011, 01:21
This is a readers letter in the Southampton Daily Echo dated
12 July 2011
So may be of some help(Thumb)

YOU kindly published a letter by Philip Pearce-Smith regarding Shieldhall and I can answer some of his questions, as I am one of the dedicated volunteers that work on board and working hard to get her back to sea again.

English Heritage support Cutty Sark but have made a conscious decision not to support anything that floats, even though the strength of Britain as a trading nation developed because of its maritime strength, both for trading and trade protection.

We have had two grants from the Heritage Lottery Fund, totalling over £500,000 and are in the very early stages of making a new application.

This is a long drawn-out process that could take up to two years before work can start and there are no other funds that are able to consider grants of this value, particularly for heritage projects. Obviously, we would like to get on with the work as soon as possible, as two years is a long time and bills still have to be paid and therefore welcome any donation, large or small, to help us during this difficult time.

Details of our progress and donating are available on our website, ss-shieldhall.co.uk.

Thank you in anticipation to all who are able to donate.

GRAHAM MACKENZIE, Oliverís Battery, Winchester.

vchiu
17th October 2011, 19:44
I made a small donation and I sincerely hope the Solent Steam Packet will reach their target of £250K. I wish I were richer