Unidentified Cruise Liner Wreck S.Africa 1978

isleofthanet
8th July 2010, 21:06
Hi,

On visiting the Wreck Centre in Charlestown near St Austell there is a photo of an unidentifed cruise liner wrecked off South Africa in 1978. Its back looks broken and it looks burnt out, anyone know the details, name and cause etc

Cheers

Al

gadgee
9th July 2010, 17:40
Al
Are you sure it is a liner? The Pantalis A Lemos went aground and broke up in Saldanha Bay in 1978. She was a bulk carrier I think. Put South African shipwrecks into a search engine as I did; it comes up with a few things.

shamrock
10th July 2010, 11:12
There is one cruise liner wreck that is well known but the wrong timeline is Oceanos...she was lost on Aug 4, 1991 off South Africa.

She's the one where the crew abandoned ship ahead of the passengers. Thankfully everyone did get off in time but it was a close thing and only due to the bravery of the entertainers who took charge of the evacuation.

isleofthanet
10th July 2010, 18:00
Hi,

Yes I took a photo of it, it is near to the coast, can I send the photo to you?

Al

shamrock
10th July 2010, 19:18
We have a thread about oceanos on our sister site, The Cruising Forum. It includes photo's taken from her decks as she sank. Moss Hills, one of the entertainers has built a site which we have linked on TCF and he would like passengers and crew who may recognise themselves to contact him...

http://www.thecruisingforum.com/showthread.php?t=9174

cueball44
10th July 2010, 20:36
Hi,

On visiting the Wreck Centre in Charlestown near St Austell there is a photo of an unidentifed cruise liner wrecked off South Africa in 1978. Its back looks broken and it looks burnt out, anyone know the details, name and cause etc

Cheers

AlWhat did this ship look like 'IN THE PHOTO' you say its back looks broken, is there two parts in the photo, If it is the 'PANTELIS A. LEMOS' it would just be one piece,But that ship is not a liner!,'cueball44'(Thumb) PS did you view this photo in 1978, or did it say on the photo that it was wrecked in 1978?

isleofthanet
10th July 2010, 23:51
It is in one piece with back broken in the middle, the funnel is raked back. The hull is a dark colour with white superstructure..It says " Unidentified cruise liner South Africa 1978"

isleofthanet
11th July 2010, 23:05
This ship is similar to the Scandinavian Sea, is that any help?

isleofthanet
13th July 2010, 07:21
See attached

Mendi
13th July 2010, 14:33
Not ringing any bells here either! I don't recall any liners wrecking back then. We had small tankers Romelia and Antipolis in '77 and their accom & funnel were situated well aft.

cueball44
13th July 2010, 15:17
See attachedAre you sure this is not the 'American star' wreck? (egg)'cueball44'.

gadgee
13th July 2010, 18:22
Not really wishing to doubt the Wreck Centre in Charlestown but tend to agree with cueball?? Possible the title is incorrect.

sparkie2182
13th July 2010, 20:12
This may help..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_America_(1940)

gadgee
13th July 2010, 20:33
This vessel's aft part is skewed in a similar manner to America Star. However this wrecks wheelhouse appears missing as if destroyed by fire? America Star had twin derrick posts forward which remained on the wreck for a long time. They are missing in this wreck.

clevewyn
13th July 2010, 20:45
Also that wreck is Port side to shore and America is starboard to shore.

HERE (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.widelec.org/stuff/ss_america/ss_america_05.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.widelec.org/zdjecie,ss-america,406.html&usg=__-wh--9HzNtuQ_MGlY8ehdcePCB8=&h=491&w=750&sz=82&hl=en&start=33&itbs=1&tbnid=0fd9Gd0zu_jLJM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSS%2BAmerica%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1)

Boatman25
13th July 2010, 23:09
This may help..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_America_(1940)

Sorry Mr Sparkie,

It did not help at all. Nothing there. But there is here http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cotillosun.co.uk/images/welcome/picwelcome6.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.cotillosun.co.uk/welcome/picwelcome6.htm&usg=__bNS5bHw3q7D2YeMBCVGvgILAMuY=&h=439&w=586&sz=220&hl=en&start=4&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=4ZbQYJAiycBpFM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dss%2Bamerican%2Bstar%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26tbs%3Disch:1

sparkie2182
13th July 2010, 23:50
For some reason, you are required to click on the link next to "DID YOU MEAN"........... in red.

It's a full history of the ship.

cueball44
14th July 2010, 00:00
Hi,

On visiting the Wreck Centre in Charlestown near St Austell there is a photo of an unidentifed cruise liner wrecked off South Africa in 1978. Its back looks broken and it looks burnt out, anyone know the details, name and cause etc

Cheers

AlThe name of this ship is 'BRITANIS', Built as the 'MONTEREY' for the 'MATSON LINE', She was also operated as the 'LURLINE&MATSONIA', Before being sold to 'CHANDRILS' And operated as 'BRITANIS', After being laid up in 'TAMPA' For a number of years, She sank on the way to the scrappers off the South Africa Coast, She was similar to the 'SS AMERICAN STAR(POP)'CUEBALL44'.

sparkie2182
14th July 2010, 00:06
Nicely distinguished Cueball.

Cisco
14th July 2010, 00:59
Only problem I can see with that is that Britanis capsized and sank 50 miles offshore.... this one is ashore with a broken back......

cueball44
14th July 2010, 08:53
The name of this ship is 'BRITANIS', Built as the 'MONTEREY' for the 'MATSON LINE', She was also operated as the 'LURLINE&MATSONIA', Before being sold to 'CHANDRILS' And operated as 'BRITANIS', After being laid up in 'TAMPA' For a number of years, She sank on the way to the scrappers off the South Africa Coast, She was similar to the 'SS AMERICAN STAR(POP)'CUEBALL44'.Also the word ,or name 'AUSTRALIS' has something to do with it.(Read),'cueball44.

cueball44
14th July 2010, 09:24
Also the word ,or name 'AUSTRALIS' has something to do with it.(Read),'cueball44.And if this is not the 'BRITANIS' ,Then all i can say is that the photo of the ship that looks like the 'SS AMERICAN STAR' has been taken in such a way that the two big derricks on the foredeck are for some reason not visable, I must say every time i look at the photo, It looks to be the 'SS AMERICAN STAR'(Ouch)'cueball44'.

isleofthanet
14th July 2010, 09:44
This does'nt look at all like the American Star, having followed its destruction at the time. This ship looks a lot younger and appears a bit wider also the funnel is totally different to that ship

Al

Mendi
14th July 2010, 20:57
Is this perhaps not that ex-Argentinian Supply Ship that sank near the Falklands in 1982? Looks similar.

cueball44
14th July 2010, 22:18
Is this perhaps not that ex-Argentinian Supply Ship that sank near the Falklands in 1982? Looks similar.The 'ISA DE LOS ESTADOS' Was to small to be the ship in the photo,At only 3,900 tons, And anyway that ship was sunk,(egg)'cueball44'.PS and its not the 'BAHIA BUEN SUCESCO' either.

Scurdie
14th July 2010, 22:39
I reckon, from the photo posted by isleofthanet, that this is the Antilles. Note how the funnel has collapsed aft, as did the funnel of the Antilles. There are several photos of her in the Maritime Casualties Gallery on this site, before and after she broke her back, e.g. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/126377/title/antilles-fire/cat/523
Only, Antilles grounded and caught fire off Mustique in 1971, not South Africa in 1978. Apart from that, the Wreck Centre's caption would be correct!!

cueball44
14th July 2010, 23:05
I reckon, from the photo posted by isleofthanet, that this is the Antilles. Note how the funnel has collapsed aft, as did the funnel of the Antilles. There are several photos of her in the Maritime Casualties Gallery on this site, before and after she broke her back, e.g. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/126377/title/antilles-fire/cat/523
Only, Antilles grounded and caught fire off Mustique in 1971, not South Africa in 1978. Apart from that, the Wreck Centre's caption would be correct!!I have just had a look at the pics of the 'ANTILLES' and it looks right, I have been on all the liner sites, round and round in circles, I knew i had seen this pic before, But it was the date and place that was confusing me.(Read)'cueball44'

clevewyn
14th July 2010, 23:42
I think you`ve cracked it guys.

Mendi
15th July 2010, 10:04
Well the shore line does not look like part of this country.

rd77
15th July 2010, 10:32
I've seen this picture before, but unfortunately can't recall the ship's name. However, I agree that this is likely to be the ANTILLES. Minor complication: the ANTILLES had a white hull...

cueball44
15th July 2010, 10:43
I've seen this picture before, but unfortunately can't recall the ship's name. However, I agree that this is likely to be the ANTILLES. Minor complication: the ANTILLES had a white hull...A lot of ships changed there colour during there time in service,So i don't think that is relavent.(egg)'cueball44'

Cisco
15th July 2010, 11:45
She ( may have been ) built with a black hull- sister Flandres was. The photo linked to previously shows her on fire with a white hull but the paint is blistering off. I think the effect of the fire and the passage of time have removed most signs of the white.... http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/165275/title/antilles/cat/523

cueball44
16th July 2010, 13:52
Hi,

On visiting the Wreck Centre in Charlestown near St Austell there is a photo of an unidentifed cruise liner wrecked off South Africa in 1978. Its back looks broken and it looks burnt out, anyone know the details, name and cause etc

Cheers

AlI do hope our searches have answered all your questions regarding the 'Unidentified cruise liner' Wrecked off the coast of ?, 'cueball44'(Smoke).

isleofthanet
16th July 2010, 23:40
Yes, thanks to all of you for your research etc, it certainly looks like the Antilles not sure why the hull should look dark, maybe someone coloured in the photo?
I will contact The Wreck Centre with the information

Thanks again

Al

cueball44
17th July 2010, 16:08
Yes, thanks to all of you for your research etc, it certainly looks like the Antilles not sure why the hull should look dark, maybe someone coloured in the photo?
I will contact The Wreck Centre with the information

Thanks again

AlMaybe you could ask them why it says it was wrecked on SA coast in 1978!(Ouch)'cueball44'.

Fairlane500
22nd July 2010, 10:50
As for the hull color, here's a color photo of the Antilles taken in approximately the same state of decay that shows here hull to have been quite darkened by the fire.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/NGSPOD08/119421.jpg

ELLINIS
11th March 2014, 04:09
The wrecked ship in the picture would appear to be the French Antillies lost of Mustique not South Africa.