The RFA, RMAS, PAS??

Hendo!
30th November 2005, 15:18
Following on from a discussion in HERE. (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/10424/sort/1/cat/511/page/1)

During my time with the Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service, and laterly Serco Denholm between 1991 and 2000 I had heard about the Port Auxiliary Service.

Are there any dates as to when PAS was perhaps disbanded and RMAS started? Would this be a time where Boom Defence and Mooring & Salvage vessels took on the buff and black colour scheme?

Also was the Typhoon an RFA? The sea going tugs that I know of, Roysterer, Rollicker and Robust being (ex)RMAS.

And here is a link to an ex PAS boat VIC 56. http://www.vic56.co.uk/detail.htm

Hugh MacLean
30th November 2005, 16:41
Hi Hendo,

I sailed RN 1976-1988. All the vessels you mention I have seen in my time. The answer to Typhoon is RMAS.

Regards
Hugh

Gulpers
30th November 2005, 18:19
Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:51am


Interesting because my Discharge Book actually quotes RFA for my time on them in the early 60\'s!!. I am familiar with the RMAS..but my recollection was that it applied to the Dockyard and associated vessels...not the seagoing vessels that I was on...could be it was changed after I went on to other things??..any thoughts??.
It certainly was the RFA tugs in my time that did the towing of naval vessels around the UK coast for refit or strategic reserve purposes, and overseas for that matter.
Cheers..

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Doug

Hendo and Hugh,

Thanks for that confirmation. As I said before I only remember TYPHOON as being an RMAS vessel. However, as Doug says in his message, his discharge book entry refers to RFA. Did these big tugs change from RFA to RMAS in the mid to late 60s? (Thumb)

Hendo!
30th November 2005, 19:48
A quick Google later reveals this.
There has been a need to supply the Fleet prior to sailing and on its return since the days of Pepys when all support functions were carried out by civilian manned organisations. The RMAS took shape over the last 30 years, initially by the amalgamation into the Port Auxiliary Services of various separate areas of waterborne activity formerly managed by Captains of Dockyards, Senior Victualling , Armament Supply and Naval Stores Officers. This was later followed by the amalgamation in 1975 of the then separate Services comprising Ocean Tugs, Admiralty Cable Ships and certain trials vessels into the RMAS.

From http://www.sd-dev.demon.co.uk/page3.html

So if RMAS started in 1975 perhaps Ocean Tugs such as Typhoon came under RFA until then, which could explain Dougs Discharge Book entry.

Boomers, I have a book called Argyll Shipwrecks which mentions a Boom Defence Vessel called HMS Barcombe which ran aground at Mull in January 1958. Any ideas when these vessels became civilian manned? Again perhaps 1975?

Gulpers
30th November 2005, 20:55
Guys,

In the original discussion about TYPHOON in the Gallery I remembered seeing these tugs in Gourock sporting two colour schemes. Latterly they have had black hulls and ochre superstructures. Prior to that they had black hulls and grey superstructures.
Doug, can you recall if the ships were black and grey when you sailed on them - that certainly seems a more likely colour scheme for RFA vessels. (Thumb)

Hugh MacLean
30th November 2005, 21:33
Guys,

Here are a couple of sites that may help. The first has a pic.

http://www.clydeshipping.co.uk/viewalbum.asp?folder=Auxiliaries

http://www.nelmes.fsnet.co.uk/paxman/paxmanRN.htm
scroll down mid page for info on the RMAS Ships.

Hugh

even more pics or the RMAS Typoon here: http://www.tugtalk.co.uk/viewalbum.asp?folder=RMAS+Typhoon+and+Rollicker

Hugh

Doug Rogers
1st December 2005, 03:56
They (Ocean going tugs) were all black hulls and grey superstructure without any doubt...and certainly entitled RFA. The harbour tugs were black hull and yellow/ochre colouring..so my thought would be that changes took place some years after I left. Also, in hindsite, I guess that the reason for the Ocean going RFA tugs diminishing quite quickly was that the Navy started shrinking very quickly...and commercial salvage, well that looked after itself. I also recall that the dockyard vessels were always referred to as "RMAS" even in those days (early 60's)...interesting isnt it.
There is a picture of mine in the Gallery of the RFA Advice dropping a Destroyer conversion, she certainly has a grey superstructure but the hull is not so obvious...will see if I can dig out some old pictures of her.

jbryce
1st January 2006, 20:23
Came across this list of RMAS vessels, sorry no date for it

jbryce
2nd January 2006, 20:40
Managed, at last. The pic was to large, have reduced it to 600 pixels deep

Doug Rogers
2nd January 2006, 21:10
For what its worth I came out yesterday with a little booklet entitled "Navy on Review 77" in which all tugs and harbour craft are entitled RMAS.
I would hypothesise that the change would have taken place long before that date, possibly 10/12 years before but I havent found anything in the slightest definitive to confirm that.
Cheers...

jbryce
3rd January 2006, 18:59
A couple of sites with some more info:
http://www.sd-dev.demon.co.uk/page3.html
and
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-rfas.html

Doug Rogers
4th January 2006, 03:06
Thanks for details of those two sites, interesting, will have to try and do a little more digging when time permits!!.

STRAWBERRY
13th January 2006, 21:16
Do any of you well learned chaps know what happened to RMAS Auricula (Test and Experimental Sonar Tender) she was built by Ferguson Brothers in the Early 1980's, and was sold in mid 1990's and stationed at Portland. My Father Tony Straw was Able seaman for the whole time she was under the Anchor and 2 wavy lines. I did hear that she was unstable and sold for scrap, can anyone confirm this? Thanks Andy

Gulpers
13th January 2006, 23:34
Andy,

RMAS Auricula is still going strong.

She changed her name to Lowland Searcher in 1995 and again to Teknik Putra in 1997 (Panamanian Flag). She is now listed as a Research/Survey tender.

Have a look at this link (Thumb)

http://www.crest.com.my/Contents/Specification/Vessel_Equipment/Teknik_Putra.htm

STRAWBERRY
14th January 2006, 15:00
Gulpers, you are a star. Thanks everso for the info! Down the bar for a wee Dram?

Gulpers
14th January 2006, 15:55
My pleasure Strawberry. (Thumb)

Lancastrian
8th February 2006, 17:16
Ocean going tugs and salvage vessels were once a separate section of the RFA managed by the Director of Dockyards as opposed to the main section managed by the Director of Stores (later Fuel,Movements and Transport).
PAS became RMAS which is now much reduced with most harbour craft under commercial management. Cant recall any dates but will try to find them.

R736476
8th February 2006, 17:36
I hope the following extract from the Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service Association, Devonport website will provide the answers you have all been eagerly awaiting:-

"[[COLOR=Red]The RMAS took shape over the last 30 years, initially by the amalgamation into the Port Auxiliary Services of various separate areas of waterborne activity formerly managed by Captains of Dockyards, Senior Victualling , Armament Supply and Naval Stores Officers. This was later followed by the amalgamation in 1975 of the then separate Services comprising Ocean Tugs, Admiralty Cable Ships and certain trials vessels into the RMAS.

In August of 1996 the running of the majority of the RMAS vessels were awarded to Serco Denholm Ltd under a Government Owned/Commercially Operated (GOCO) contract. The RMAS remains in operation today running only the trials ship RMAS Newton and the various Mooring and Salvage vessels. All harbour tugs, passenger carrying vessels and barges are operated by Serco Denholm. The RMAS also have the Naval Armament Vessel (NAV) KINTERBURY which is being kept very busy transporting cargo throughout Europe. Up in Kyle of Loch Alsh the RMAS operates vessels which are there to support the range at Raasay and personnel based on Rona.

Serco Denholm operate in Devonport (and Falmouth), Portsmouth and Greenock/Faslane." (Hippy)

Hendo!
9th February 2006, 21:31
Many thanks to those who replied!

Hendo!
9th February 2006, 21:35
Do any of you well learned chaps know what happened to RMAS Auricula (Test and Experimental Sonar Tender) she was built by Ferguson Brothers in the Early 1980's, and was sold in mid 1990's and stationed at Portland. My Father Tony Straw was Able seaman for the whole time she was under the Anchor and 2 wavy lines. I did hear that she was unstable and sold for scrap, can anyone confirm this? Thanks Andy


I think I may have been invloved in either a water replenishment job with RMAS Waterspout or a fuelling job with RMAS Oilpress for RMAS Auricula at Loch Long in the early - mid 90s.

STRAWBERRY
10th February 2006, 16:24
Yes Hendo, you did. My Dad Tony was A.B (He was also on the crew of the Waterman when Waterspout was changed over in Portland. He transferred to the waterspout when Waterman sailed to Scotland. Were you crew then Hendo?

Hendo!
10th February 2006, 19:23
When Waterman arrived at Greenock I was on the Torpedo Recovery Vessels, probably Tormentor at the time.

treeve
21st May 2006, 09:52
Now online

RMAS Water Carriers
WATERSPOUT, WATERCOURSE,
WATERFOWL, WATERMAN,
WATERFALL, WATERSHED, WATERSIDE

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~treevecwll/rmas.htm

If anyone can add or correct any information,
I would be very grateful.

Best Wishes
Raymond

mil511
15th September 2006, 12:21
You should talk to the RMAS association in Devonport they will have what you need to know

Peter4447
15th September 2006, 20:27
In the 60's the large tugs were definately RFA. On one particular occasion I was putting stores for an RN towing crew onto a Coastal Minesweeper that had been laid up in Gibraltar. The CMS was at that time berthed outboard of an RFA tug ready to be towed back to the UK. Halfway through the storing, when I had several boxes on the tug's deck, I was confronted by a very red faced gentleman wearing four gold stripes on his shoulder boards, who had clearly had more than his fair share of the amber nectar. I was told in no uncertain terms to get my ?**$% boxes of his !**&&&%%% deck or I would find myself ending up in the %%%^^%!! oggin very quickly indeed. The RFA lads in earshot were clearly very embarrased over what occured and once the said gentleman had departed and the boxes were on the CMS, I found myself invited to the ship's bar - can't remember much more after that only that a good night was had by all!
Peter4447

OLD STRAWBERRY
15th September 2006, 21:13
Hi gang. Apart from Typhoon there were some others. Bustler, Reward, Cyclone. I believe Reward sank in the Firth of Forth.Rgds. Tony.(Thumb)

Peter4447
15th September 2006, 22:14
Hi gang. Apart from Typhoon there were some others. Bustler, Reward, Cyclone. I believe Reward sank in the Firth of Forth.Rgds. Tony.(Thumb)

I think Reward went back under the White Ensign. She was given a Bofors gun and was employed on Fishery Protection. I believe she was still under the White Ensign when she sank in the Firth of Forth.
Peter4447

neillrush
20th October 2006, 05:45
The Ocean Endeavour arrived in Gibraltar 19/10 for attention by Cammell Laird, its the first time she has been in since June 2002,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/gibmartrust/LROceanEndeavour.jpg
Rgds Neill

Mike Fishwick
26th November 2006, 16:43
The RFA Ocean tugs - latterly Bustler, Reward, Typhoon, Samsonia were (up to 1975)originally all grey. Cyclone (ex-Forcer) had a black hull and grey superstructure. The interim colour scheme, from 1975-on, of a black hull with grey superstructure, was adopted only by Typhoon, the other ships being disposed of. (Reward was sold during a fuel shortage, with FULL fuel tanks!)

Incidentally, these vessels were transferred to the Director of Marine Services (Naval) during 1972, as a prelude to being absorbed into the RMAS.

The first 'R' Class tugs, Roysterer and Rollicker (1972 & 1973), were originally in black and grey, becoming black and buff in 1975 when brought into the RMAS. Robust was always in black and buff as she was built for service in the Port Auxiliary Service.

ian petrie
22nd June 2007, 21:14
i was on samsonia 1963 64 we done a lot of work with busler typhoon warden empire rosa was at milford haven along with empire ace and superman at plymouth

Waighty
9th August 2007, 14:13
RMAS (royal maritime auxiliary service) was the seagoing side until the amalgamation with the PAS (port auxiliary service) when it became one RMAS.
Early versions of the seagoing vessels (MSVs etc) were on what was known as Modified NMB Agreements - modified, because being civil service vessels they would never agree to anything as sensible as NMB - you weren't allowed to show watchkeepers as being off between 0730 and 1600 since the civil service couldn't understand the concept - made for a lot of overtime though.
The current seagoing vessel NEWTON has gone back to MCA and Lloyds requirements - Discharge books etc. I worked on Cairn, Pointer, Collie, Watercourse, Waterside, Oilman, Oilpress, Ensleigh, Cromarty, Cicala, Nimble, Dexterous, Accord; and I sailed on Uplifter, Kinloss, Goosander, Garganney, Salmaster, Salmoor, Roysterer and Pochard. Lots of fun, great shiphandling(Bounce) (Bounce) and much more varied than the Merch but then the Merch had joys all of its own!

senior pilot
6th November 2007, 20:39
the old typhoon was R.F.A and all grey in 1971/2 when she towed us back to singapore oct 1971 from the indian ocean.it was a big tow of H.M.T.ADVICE,+H.M.T SPANIEL,+AN OIL BARGE AFTER ADVICE CAUGHT FIRE.

diverdan
21st December 2007, 11:15
Hi all - my first posting.

I have been in the RMAS since 1978

I have served on many vessels since then however, I spent a considerable amount of time on the Ocean going tugs.

The Ocean tugs TYPHOON, ROLLICKER,ROYSTERER were originally RFA Ocean Tugs but were transferred to the RMAS in the late nineteen seventies .ROBUST was originally PAS.
I was 3rd Engineer on RMAS Rollicker from 1979 - 82 - at the Falklands conflict in 82.
I was 2nd Engineer on TYPHOON 1984- 86 - Payed off Portsmouth - vessel for disposal and joined ROYSTERER at Devonport then
I was 2nd Engineer on ROYSTERER 1986 -88.
I was Chief Engineer on ROSYSTERER 1993-95 -Payed off at Portsmouth - vessel for disposal and joined ROBUST.
I was Chief Engineer ROBUST 1995 -1996 - Payed off Clyde - vessel for disposal.

Regards

dd

Landour
21st December 2007, 11:59
The Ministry of Defence has signed a 1 billion Private Finance Initiative (PFI) contract with Serco Denholm Marine Services Limited for the future provision of marine services (FPMS) over the next 15 years.
Serco will manage, operate and maintain around 110 vessels used in both port and deep water operations. Over 30 new vessels will be introduced into service during the contract which covers the UK's major ports at Portsmouth, Devonport, and the Clyde.

The new arrangement will modernise marine services and result in a refreshed fleet of vessels capable of handling current and future warships and submarines at a greater level of efficiency.
The majority of marine services have been delivered by Serco Denholm under three Ports' Contracts since 1996, and by the Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service (RMAS). RMAS staff will transfer entirely to Serco in April 2008. The RMAS was formed with Royal Assent in 1970. It will be dissolved, subject to further Royal Assent, at the end of March 2008.
End of an era!!

chris_hulme
2nd October 2009, 21:31
Has anyone got any pictures and history of the "OILMAN"?

sam2182sw
11th September 2010, 16:25
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