HMS Sabre

Bob S
2nd December 2005, 18:28
Fast Patrol Boat HMS SABRE (P275) seen at Portland.

fred henderson
2nd December 2005, 19:39
These boats were completely unarmed. They were used at Portland to simulate fast patrol boat attacks on RN major warships. Always seemed to me to be a bit of a farce. The German Navy sent real Fast Attack Craft armed with Excocet and OTO Melara 76 mm Guns to train at Portland.

Fred

scouse152
1st November 2006, 21:03
I remeber when SABRE took off her bows in 81 when she hit ALDERNEY breakwater in the fog.

cdsc123
7th February 2007, 19:15
http://www.bmpt.org.uk/boats%20for%20sale/Ex%20british%20Fast%20Vessel.pdf
link to HMS Sabre today

neillrush
8th February 2007, 06:59
HMS Sabre and Cutlass at Portland in about 1976, I think Scimitar had gone to Hong Kong to help with the problems with the Boat People.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/neillgrush/HMSSabre.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/neillgrush/HMSCutlass.jpg
Rgds Neill

wigger
8th February 2007, 07:44
Lovely pictures Neill! :)

neillrush
9th February 2007, 05:57
Thanks Wigger, as you can see they have ID letters, SA for Sabre and CT for Cutlass, any ideas what Scimitars letters were or did she have any???? By the way the RFA in the background was Olna.
Rgds Neill

wigger
9th February 2007, 07:33
Not sure about the ID letters on Scimitar, I have found an overhead picture in an old 70's reference book, the caption is HMS Scimitar but the code is clearly SA (no pennant number visible), that doesn't make much sense does it? I reckon Scimitar's code was SC but I'm sure somebody can confirm that. The RFA looks like the Tidespring or Tidepool though with the funnel extentions? :)

neillrush
9th February 2007, 08:55
I know I have a picture of the Olna, but the brain cells are a bit slow these days. However in my old log book there was a Wessex HU.5 helo on Portland airfield with the code TP/347 which was Tidepool Flight.
I am not sue about SC as Scimitars code/deck letters because SC was used by HMS Scylla at the time and ST was Stromness.
Rgds Neill

wigger
9th February 2007, 10:51
Just found a picture of Scimitar on www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk. There is a nice shot of the trio with Scimitar closest to the camera. It certainly looks like SC. I guess the code could be used on more than one ship? Not much chance of confusing them visually! :D

neillrush
10th February 2007, 06:50
Yes definate ID on "SC", not much difference between her and a Leander!!!
Mant thanks for that Wigger
Rgds Neill

sabre snotty
19th November 2008, 13:04
I served in HMS Sabre for a couple of months in late 1979. She wasn't completely unarmed - she had mounts for a GPMG on each bridge wing, and we had an AB gunner ex Royal Yacht who loved to use his toys!

markwarner
19th November 2008, 15:12
I was part of the crew that manned her when she was towed stern first from Portland to Portsmouth after her 'bump'

Enri
19th November 2008, 15:26
Hello Sabre Snotty,
I think the ex Royal Yachty was Ray Scott. He currently works, or maybe worked, (I left last year, and have heard since there is to be a clear out of QM's, the rank at which he was signed on), on the ferries at Dover.
Sailed with Ray for a number of years, and he spoke happily of his time on the Sabre.
Enri.

sabre snotty
19th November 2008, 16:22
That makes sense - he'd have been about 12-15 years older than me, I'd guess. He was quite stocky, fair-ish complexion, fairish hair as a I recall. Somewhere I must have some pictures of my time in her.

pjspatrick1
5th April 2009, 21:28
Hi Fred, they were a magic draft mate, great fun and anyway what did we need excocet for in peacetime.


These boats were completely unarmed. They were used at Portland to simulate fast patrol boat attacks on RN major warships. Always seemed to me to be a bit of a farce. The German Navy sent real Fast Attack Craft armed with Excocet and OTO Melara 76 mm Guns to train at Portland.

Fred

kdgiles
9th July 2009, 11:50
I remember an RN poster showing one of these boats at speed. A spectacular picture. I could have gots loads in my Sea Cadet days, but unable to find one now.

Kimdino

fireblade.ray
6th October 2009, 16:02
Hi Enri
I am the ex yachty who served on HMS Sabre, and are still working on the ferries down in Dover. Trying to work out who I would know you as.

fireblade.ray
6th October 2009, 16:04
Hi yes I still have fairish hair and still stocky, we must have served on Sabre together and trying to work out who you are too.

stevo r6 86
6th October 2009, 17:08
not too disimilar in profile to the sabre today, still tasked being a patrol boat, nice pic too.

Nauftikos
22nd September 2010, 14:09
HMS Sabre refitted in a German boatyard 2006... Diesels now- Not Proteus

http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Scimitar%20Class/index.htm

Nauftikos
22nd September 2010, 15:06
Ooops!... Missed the old post giving the same link to the refurbished Sabre.
As a further point - An old oppo of mine was Bob Gatland who I am informed was Chief of the boat on Scimitar & accompanied her to HK in the late seventies.
I lost contact with Bob, but have recently become re aquainted with his widow.
For anyone who knew him, Bob sadly passed away over six years ago.

patrickstappleton
22nd October 2010, 21:46
Thanks Wigger, as you can see they have ID letters, SA for Sabre and CT for Cutlass, any ideas what Scimitars letters were or did she have any???? By the way the RFA in the background was Olna.
Rgds Neill

Scimitar had the letters SC, IT WAS SAID THAT CUTLASS WAS THE FASTEST OF THE THREE BOATS AND FLAT OUT WE COULD DO 46 KNOTS. PATRICK STAPPLETON

patrickstappleton
22nd October 2010, 21:47
Scimitar had the letters SC. It was said that the Scimitar was the fastest. we could do 46 knots flat out. patrick stappleton

patrickstappleton
22nd October 2010, 21:50
HMS Sabre refitted in a German boatyard 2006... Diesels now- Not Proteus

http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Scimitar%20Class/index.htm

cant believe what they have done to her. I helped strip the grey paint off her with gallons of paint stripper in 1975 at Gosport patrick stappleton

NickNZ
25th October 2010, 04:33
Tenacity was around at the same time, and was faster I think? Though according to Janes' she and the 3 'Training Boats'. they were all listed as 40 knots max speed.
As they say here "Yeah, Right".

Ted Else
25th October 2010, 08:08
Nick
HMS Tenacity was an entirely different 'animal' to the 3 boat class of which 'Sabre', 'Cutlass' and 'Scimitar' belonged.
HMS Tenacity was a private venture craft (built by Messrs Vosper Thornycroft in 1969) and was not purchased by the RN until 1972. She was powered by 3 Proteus Gas Turbines, over 144ft loa, displacing 220 tons - (by far, much larger than the Scimitar class) - her RN service was in Fishery Protection. You can read more of her history from Here (http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Tenacity/index.htm)
Regards
Ted

waiwera
25th October 2010, 08:59
The three fast patrol boats - based in Portland - were used in the Thursday War - as, at that time FOST (Flag Officer Sea Training) was based at Portland. During the week - if no suitable Naval Vessels were around - the squadron used to launch attacks on the Sealink Ferries Very spectacular very close high speed passes - sometimes on both sides of the ferry at the same time - very spectacular and great entertainment for the passengers. I believe the patrol boat bridge team used to put themselves in black bin liners as they were often covered in heavy spray.
I can never understand why Britain, with a very long coastline, does not have a proper squadron(s) of fast patrol craft strategically placed around our coasts for port defence ( I do not count the current small plastic launches used by the University Training Units).

greasemonkey64
27th December 2010, 21:45
Hi , just finishing building a model of the scimitar, as my wifes father served on the Scimitar when it was based at Portland, and will be 25 years on 21-01-2011 whan Brian James Lake alias 'Swanny/jim died . My wife wanted a model and will be 'launching' on 21-01-2011 to remember her Dad and thank the armed forces for what they did and still do.(Thumb)

NickNZ
28th December 2010, 01:24
Nick
HMS Tenacity was an entirely different 'animal' to the 3 boat class of which 'Sabre', 'Cutlass' and 'Scimitar' belonged.
HMS Tenacity was a private venture craft (built by Messrs Vosper Thornycroft in 1969) and was not purchased by the RN until 1972. She was powered by 3 Proteus Gas Turbines, over 144ft loa, displacing 220 tons - (by far, much larger than the Scimitar class) - her RN service was in Fishery Protection. You can read more of her history from Here (http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Tenacity/index.htm)
Regards
Ted

That's right,she was a much larger boat. I seem to remember that she played escort for the Cowes to Torquay offshore powerboat race. The crew were a bit too enthusiastic, and arrived at Torquay, and then back at Cowes before any of the "real racers". 1 - 0 to the RN !
If the RN continues contracting/downsizing/maximising potential to a what appears to be a brown water Navy, a few boats like Tenacity, and the Cutlass Class would probably be a worthwhile investment. At least we could patrol the English Channel. Might appeal to some of the youngsters of today.

PDW
23rd January 2011, 20:02
Hi , just finishing building a model of the scimitar, as my wifes father served on the Scimitar when it was based at Portland, and will be 25 years on 21-01-2011 whan Brian James Lake alias 'Swanny/jim died . My wife wanted a model and will be 'launching' on 21-01-2011 to remember her Dad and thank the armed forces for what they did and still do.(Thumb)

Hello greasymonkey, its been a long time but I remember Swanny Lake, sorry to hear he passed away.
I served with him on the Scimitar (1972-74), I was the boats R.O. known as Sparker, I seem to remember he left the R.N. and missed the life, so re-enlisted. That must have been the best time of my life in the R.N.

corby bunting
6th February 2011, 14:40
I wish to explain my involvement with Scimitar,Cutlass and Sabre. In 1983/84 I was suncontracted to the yard that purchased these craft from the RN.All were sold on to customers in the Med. I was responsible for replacing the bow of Sabre. As no drawings were available from builders or Admiralty. I had to scale off from photographs and loft on factory floor to enable me to manufacture new laminated stem and frames. As you can see the job went well. but what I would really like to know is how the German yard aquired her for I heard from a reliable source that she was sank off the coast of Italy! Photo of me starting the rebuild from bulk head 13. When I find out how to place it.

markwarner
7th February 2011, 12:17
I was party of the towing crew when she was towed stern first from Portland back to Pompey after she had her accident in the Channel Islands.

corby bunting
7th February 2011, 14:26
I was party of the towing crew when she was towed stern first from Portland back to Pompey after she had her accident in the Channel Islands.

We were on our way from Pompey to Southampton being towed (bow first)by a very small tug. When we lost he tow.The tug only just manage to catch us up as we were heading towards the forts. Regaining the tow and arriving safely. Happy Days

corby bunting
8th February 2011, 13:05
As a newcommer to this site. I now find it aptly named.for not only the three craft which I worked on. but other ones from other Navies A number of Nasty(Tjeld) class also others which were very interesting but I could not trace the class.Prior to my involvement the yard disposed of many ex MTB's.Gay,Dark and Brave. But my memory goes back much further with this client. For in 1950 whilst serving my apprenticeship up t'north.We had two Fairmile B's. One of which was re engined from Paxmans To a pair of Junkers supplied by this man

Arffa
13th February 2011, 21:15
Anyone know where the Cutlass is now? I was the buffer on her until they moth balled the squadron after the Sabre incident.

blackwater
16th February 2011, 17:13
Anyone know where the Cutlass is now? I was the buffer on her until they moth balled the squadron after the Sabre incident.

Last seen as a wreck, moored in Fano, Italy (Nov 2004)

wigger
16th February 2011, 17:38
What a hideous attempt at a conversion, poor old Cutlass.

Arffa
24th February 2011, 22:21
Shocking! I wish I never asked, at least I have my memories of a great draft.

I do have a few pictures of the FTB1 squadron, they are official navy pictures taken by a naval photographer so not sure if I am allowed to post them:confused::confused:

wigger
24th February 2011, 23:14
Hi Affra, If you put who took them I would have thought it would be ok! There are plenty of similar pictures in the galleries! Hope you can upload them!
Craig

GBXZ
23rd March 2011, 05:24
Sabre was on the slip at Portland when FOST asked for her readiness for sea, she responded "Cold stone Sabre"

Soap Watson
5th July 2012, 20:49
Hi, am new to this forum,I wash just searching HMS Sabre. I served on Sabre from 71 to 73 as a Nav Yeo and we had such a wonderful time. To answer some of the older posts, Scimitar was SC and she was not the fastest, Cutlass, was the squadron leader and was fastest at 48 knots, only just. We used to request close passes on the Weymouth ferry and we sprayed diesel over the proteus exhausts to creat clouds of smoke and then we went to full MCP to pass down the side of the ferry. We also did this after the FOST Thursday war by doing the same to the Navy ships. The guys on the Frigates used to know that when we did this they pelted us with potatoes and or got the hoses trained on us. The idea of the smoke was that during the Thursday war we used to simulate MTB torpedo attacks on the fleet and we used to do this by making smoke and firing very flares to simulate the torpedoes being fired. The boats where not so good in force 9's though as Scimitar got smashed up whilst in the Portland race, in a following sea she reach 55knots going straight into a trough.More stories if you want ?

wigger
5th July 2012, 20:57
More stories like that? I should say so, keep them coming! And welcome to the forum Soap!!
Kind regards
Craig

chadburn
5th July 2012, 22:07
The last time I saw Cutlass was at a Limassol Boatyard around 4yrs ago where she had been sent by her Italian owner for a full rebuild sans GT's, unfortunatly he had died and the work had stopped, she was being held by the Boatyard. The Boatyard is in the new Marina area and she may have been moved/scrapped by now. If there are any member's on the Site who live in Cyprus they might be able to check the situation.

chadburn
6th July 2012, 14:32
I don't often go on google earth but I gave it a try this morning to see if "Cutlass" is still there bearing in mind the proposed new marina. The updated google show's work has started on the new marina and fortunatly the "Cutlass" is to the West of the work site. Her position is 34deg 39'57.06 N. 33deg 01'53.18 E. By the look of her she appear's to have been worked on since I last saw her, you can't miss her shape behind the Keo Brewery (a nice little refreshing drink to sit with watching the World go by on the balcony of the local Service's club, good food too)(Thumb)

RogerT
29th March 2013, 15:55
I was Coxsain on Sabre, we were doing our stint out in HK on the II patrol when John Hearn as Coxswain took over Sabre and ploughed into the sea wall at Alderney just before he came out to replace us. I remember
the gunner from the RY and the sparkler was Rick Munday, any info on him or others.

Soap Watson
30th March 2013, 17:11
Not sure if you remember Graham Pini or Pete Kane who I am still in touch with?
Still miss the squadron it was a fantastic time, do you have any pictures?

Soapy

RogerT
30th March 2013, 17:27
Hi Soapy not sure if I do remember but I do have a few photos, lots of us in HK, even got one of that dog we had on board that kept biting people. I am working in Sarajevo for the next 4 weeks but I will post them as soon as I get back. Any news of Rick Munday the comma guy.

Roger

tickerhart
21st June 2013, 12:16
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Hello all I was the greenie on Scimitar 79/81 out in HK and also on the Sabre when somebody moved one of the channel islands. Tracked down where scimitar is now. Glad to see they kept the same name, but she will not be going very fast. Have lots of photos so will upload them soon, and lots of stories. Anybody still in touch with John Hearne.

tickerhart
21st June 2013, 12:19
Hi all also check this link out with regards to scimitar

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