Prince Line

Robinj
5th December 2005, 23:41
I sailed on the Norman Prince about 1962 from Manchester to the Med and back mainly carrying fruit, Also on the Lancastrian Prince in 1967 from London to the East coast of South America with a cargo of ammunition .

CAPT.BOB
9th February 2009, 22:30
I just found your connection with the Lancastrian Prince,which was my last Deep Sea vessel.
I had been with Furness since starting as an aprentice in 1959 and after getting married in 1968 joined the Lancastrian Prince in Sept of that year as 2/0.
She was trading to the Spanish Main and US Gulf Ports,and the trip before I joined had been diverted into Miami by US Coastguard with a suspected bomb attached to her bilge keel.It was discovered that there had indeed been something but it had fallen off on passage.The Coastguard had ben unable to contact the ship when they first got the information as "Sparkie" was off watch and he got the message on cranking up the next morning.
While in UK we had an R/T fitted in the wheelhouse so that the watch keeping officers could listen out during the R/O off watch periods.We also had divers doing a search of the hull before leaving the last US Gulf Port.Anti Castro people were suspected and British Ships were targeted as GB was trading with Cuba.
In my time Capt.Marshall,Ken Swinbourne c/o Robin Gray 2/0 sorry can't remember the others.

Robinj
11th February 2009, 13:15
Hi Capt. Bob, I did a couple of stints on the Lancastrain Prince, but my last one finished Dec. 1967. No R/T at that time. Robin

adavidson
15th February 2009, 03:36
Hi RobinJ & Capt.Bob:
I joined Furness Withy's "Newfoundland" Jan.1956 and finished my time on the Queen and Monarch. I did three trips as 3rd Mate on the "Norman Prince" - very nice - she was a great little ship. Also spent quite a bit of time on the "Beechmore" before she became the "English Prince"

Robinj
15th February 2009, 14:04
Hi RobinJ & Capt.Bob:
I joined Furness Withy's "Newfoundland" Jan.1956 and finished my time on the Queen and Monarch. I did three trips as 3rd Mate on the "Norman Prince" - very nice - she was a great little ship. Also spent quite a bit of time on the "Beechmore" before she became the "English Prince"

Hi, As stated in the thread about the band, I sailed as R/O on the Norman Prince July/62 to Sept/62.

Ian Kemp
6th July 2009, 20:25
I sailed on the Norman Prince about 1962 from Manchester to the Med and back mainly carrying fruit, Also on the Lancastrian Prince in 1967 from London to the East coast of South America with a cargo of ammunition .

My first ship in 1959 was the Scottish Prince which I joined outside the lock gates at Middlesborough. I was asked if I was going ashore in the evening and as i was not was told it was my night on board, i did not have a clue what that meant. Anyway in the early ohurs of the morning the vessel berthed and about 6am i was awoken bt the C/E who said there was a problem on board. I put on my sparkling white boiler suit and went on deck to join the other engineers and donkeymen to hand carry dunnage down into the engine room and put same in the oil fired boiler. The D/M on duty had changed over the fuel tank and unfortunately the quick closing valve was not latched back, the D/M must have left the engine room and over time the boiler ran out of fuel and steam for the steam DC generator. The hand operated fuel pump was inoperable so we had to resort to putting wood into the furnace to raise sufficient steam to get systems running. Talk about a baptism. Next vessel was the English Prince, which was laid up in the River Blackwater, this was built in 1943 for "one" trip and was still going 16 years later, 3 legged Doxford. Accomodation was terrible, overrun with cockroaches, no mechanical ventilation. Loaded at several ports for discharge at Colombo where we stayed for over 4 months. The port motor lifeboat, wooden hull, was wrecked due to several crew members taking it out of the harbor for a trip to a beach. The boat ran ashore on a very rocky beach and the wooden hull was broken off. Subsequently the boat was retrieved and repaired. Joined the Mystic and did two voyages to NZ, great times down there. Joined the Tudor Prince new from Doxfords, fitted with the "P" type engine, what a disaster, suffered major breakdown going round the Horn of Africa, one side bottom end broken into two pieces and further nine found with major cracks. did temporary repairs and limped back into Aden where a full set of new, hugely modified, side rod bearings were installed. Joe Wandless was C/E, Dick Stuart was 3/E, cant remenber the 2/E full name but he was Allan ???? (also ex Mystic). Got my 2/E licence and sailed on the Cyprian Prince with Charlie Storrier as C/E. Left Prince Line in 1963 and joined Elder Dempster

Keltic Star
7th July 2009, 05:26
Hi Ian: We were shipmates, I was Nav Cadet on the "Tudor Prince" on her maiden voyage having transferred from the "Cyprian Prince". What a workhorse she was and the punishment run, Abadan to Cochin, Madras and Budge Budge didn't help.

I think the old man was Captain Kent but not sure. Bob? Ditchburne was C/O and Mike Smith was 2/O. Mike was tragically lost at sea in 1981 when, as a Pilot he was boarding a tanker in the Strait of Canso in a storm.

The officers salon steward was Ivan the tranny, used to dress to the nines to go ashore to the Seaman's Club in the Abadan refinery while we were more interested in the Brit and American refinery employees daughters. I think his quests were more successful than ours,

I thought we had the new "J" type Doxford installed but what would I know as a Deck Whalla!

I look at the bright side of things, if that fine example of British engineering hadn't gone kaput, we would have ended up with two years on that lousy run.

Ian Kemp
7th July 2009, 15:18
Hi Ian: We were shipmates, I was Nav Cadet on the "Tudor Prince" on her maiden voyage having transferred from the "Cyprian Prince". What a workhorse she was and the punishment run, Abadan to Cochin, Madras and Budge Budge didn't help.

I think the old man was Captain Kent but not sure. Bob? Ditchburne was C/O and Mike Smith was 2/O. Mike was tragically lost at sea in 1981 when, as a Pilot he was boarding a tanker in the Strait of Canso in a storm.

The officers salon steward was Ivan the tranny, used to dress to the nines to go ashore to the Seaman's Club in the Abadan refinery while we were more interested in the Brit and American refinery employees daughters. I think his quests were more successful than ours,

I thought we had the new "J" type Doxford installed but what would I know as a Deck Whalla!

I look at the bright side of things, if that fine example of British engineering hadn't gone kaput, we would have ended up with two years on that lousy run.

You are correct it was a "J" type, this was the forerunner to the "P" type and only a few were built, in fact the Tudor Prince was the first British vessel with this engine. The "J" & "P" refer to the name, Percy Jackson, the Design Director at Doxfords who was the brains behind the new development. The Stuart prince was fitted with the "P" type. Als remember the Sherry Lee was one of the engine cadets and the other was nicknamed "Why" as every time you gave him a job he always said "Why". As you say it was a terrible run, we might have had better ports if the breakdown had not occurred.
Happy days and many memories some good and some not so good.

Cheers

Andrey Nelogov
7th July 2009, 15:41
Dear RobinJ,
I have a photo of ms Lancastrian Prince. Will try to represent it in a Gallery.
I bough this photo several days ago in one of local shops and have no time to renovate it yet. Could I ask You to advise i-net resourse where I can read
more about Prince Line. Many thanks.
Best regards from Russia,
Andrey

Bill Hay
8th July 2009, 00:38
Spent a few years with Furness,Withy in the mid '50s including flying to Mombasa to join s.s.Brazilian Prince for a year on the run South and East Africa to Australia and New Zealand. A good ship, ex Canadian "Park", with British officers, Zulu crew, South African Indian catering staff. I was 2nd Engineer and she became my favourite ship. Have just had my oil painting of the ship posted in the "art" section.
Bill Hay

Robinj
9th July 2009, 13:24
Dear RobinJ,
I have a photo of ms Lancastrian Prince. Will try to represent it in a Gallery.
I bough this photo several days ago in one of local shops and have no time to renovate it yet. Could I ask You to advise i-net resourse where I can read
more about Prince Line. Many thanks.
Best regards from Russia,
Andrey

Hi Andrey, Many thanks for the photograph you have posted although it is an earlier ship than the one I sailed. If I remember correctly if you go to the Red Duster website there is a thread on Prince line. Regards Robinj

Rennie Cameron
14th August 2009, 20:47
Guys I was never on the Tankers but Black and Southern Princes then the Rowanmore. I thought it was the P Type and the Stuart was the "normal" version. The first J Type as I recall went onto the North Sands which after a crankcase explosion took the life of the 2/E who was ex Furness. He was from the Glasgow and had a run in with the Chief "Dick the S**t" whose true identity escapes me

CAPT.BOB
14th August 2009, 22:11
I'm glad to see some Old Prince Line hands have come out of the woodwork.What about the Furness men, time to hear from them.
By the way, we have the "Tall Ships" here in Belfast until Sunday 16th.
Not many Red Ensigns among them.The whole thing seems to have been taken over by the "Yachties"
Bob

Keltic Star
15th August 2009, 08:01
I'm glad to see some Old Prince Line hands have come out of the woodwork.What about the Furness men, time to hear from them.
By the way, we have the "Tall Ships" here in Belfast until Sunday 16th.
Not many Red Ensigns among them.The whole thing seems to have been taken over by the "Yachties"
Bob

Hi Bob: Not sure if any of us knew whether we were Prince Line or Furness. My Indentures read Furness Withy & Co but the only Furness ship I sailed in was the Sycamore, all others were Prince Line and the last was the Western Prince which was more aligned to Manchester Liners. I guess we were meant to be one big happy family but I have a feeling the lads on the Pacific --- class seemed to think they were the true blue Furness men, hopefully not in an incestuous way!!

As for the tall ships, we saw them off a couple of weeks ago on their way over to you and I fully agree that with the exception of the few National ships, the yellow wellies have taken over through ASTA (American Sail Training Association). I did an extended six month "delivery" on one a few years back and my crew were a group of wayward lads and lasses trying to find themselves! I must admit though, it was a lot of fun and one of the kid's is now 2/E with Stolt Nielson and a young lady is doing her Articles prior to being called to the Bar in London.

CAPT.BOB
15th August 2009, 22:49
Hi Should I call you keltic or star,
Where are you living now?I take it somewhere in Canada.
I was in the States earlier this year and met Jim McIntyre in "Intercourse"Penn for lunch.I'd never sailed with him and had made contact through this site.I've also managed to catch up with Danny Milliken after 40yrs.since we sailed on the Scottish Prince with Chick Allison, who he tells me is now dead.
Here in N.Ireland among my friends and aquaintances I list Terry Griffiths,Ivan Davidson and George Crowe who joined Furness a few years after me.
I was with them from 1959-69.
I look forward to hearing more from you,
Bob

Keltic Star
16th August 2009, 07:49
Just call me Bob, Keltic Star is the company, for the life of me, don't know why I picked it as my ID when I joined SN.
Live in Halifax, NS now, which of course was a big Furness port in days gone by. When I first came ashore in Montreal, worked with several of the Furness shore supers but eventually they retired and I moved on to Toronto and then the east coast so lost touch with them. Used Furness shore staff in London to do an inventory on a cruise ship in Germany back in 1977 and regularly used Furness Trinidad as agents when I had reefer ships down there, Jack Lawlor, ex Furness Pacific---? master was the Manager at the time. Also used Furness Holder for marine insurance for many years, just because of old loyalties to the company that gave me the chance to go to sea in the first place.

No recent contacts with Furness/Prince Line guy's except through SN.

Cheers

Bob

jonnyingram
7th December 2009, 20:34
My indentures are Prince Line,buttons badge and flag.

michael charters
5th July 2010, 23:25
I just found your connection with the Lancastrian Prince,which was my last Deep Sea vessel.
I had been with Furness since starting as an aprentice in 1959 and after getting married in 1968 joined the Lancastrian Prince in Sept of that year as 2/0.
She was trading to the Spanish Main and US Gulf Ports,and the trip before I joined had been diverted into Miami by US Coastguard with a suspected bomb attached to her bilge keel.It was discovered that there had indeed been something but it had fallen off on passage.The Coastguard had ben unable to contact the ship when they first got the information as "Sparkie" was off watch and he got the message on cranking up the next morning.
While in UK we had an R/T fitted in the wheelhouse so that the watch keeping officers could listen out during the R/O off watch periods.We also had divers doing a search of the hull before leaving the last US Gulf Port.Anti Castro people were suspected and British Ships were targeted as GB was trading with Cuba.
In my time Capt.Marshall,Ken Swinbourne c/o Robin Gray 2/0 sorry can't remember the others.

Remember this incident well. It was said it was a limpet mine attached to the hull. I think I may have been the last crew man on the Black Prince, had to connect shore power to switch gear. Many ships laid up in River Falmouth at that time.

Jon Vincent
6th July 2010, 02:58
I too was a Prince line apprentice, buttons, badge and all, the "Black Price" was my first ship, Capt Kemp, who was usually well oiled, a gordie I believe, and c/o Parrish who was actually married to a vicars daughter, the rest is all rather hazey now, loved Malta but hated Haifa.

Keltic Star
6th July 2010, 08:23
I too was a Prince line apprentice, buttons, badge and all, the "Black Price" was my first ship, Capt Kemp, who was usually well oiled, a gordie I believe, and c/o Parrish who was actually married to a vicars daughter, the rest is all rather hazey now, loved Malta but hated Haifa.

.....Parrish was c/o on the Sycamore on my first trip to sea. Now, finding out he was married to a Vicars daughter explains why he was pi--ed off when two of his first trip cadets got lucky in Famagusta.

Jon Vincent
6th July 2010, 15:47
Keltic Star. I honestly thought all c/o's were never smiled being with Parrish, he certainly did not like cadets that's for sure. I still have my cadet journel with his snide comments. As Falmouth was my home port I was pi'ed that my first foreign port as a cadet was Fowey to load china clay for Haifa. He would not let me go ashore in case I ran away. Sad also as I saw the Prince boats come into Falmouth as have their funnels painted out and handed over to their new owners, the end of an good company.

Keltic Star
7th July 2010, 04:15
Keltic Star. I honestly thought all c/o's were never smiled being with Parrish, he certainly did not like cadets that's for sure. I still have my cadet journel with his snide comments. As Falmouth was my home port I was pi'ed that my first foreign port as a cadet was Fowey to load china clay for Haifa. He would not let me go ashore in case I ran away. Sad also as I saw the Prince boats come into Falmouth as have their funnels painted out and handed over to their new owners, the end of an good company.

It was certainly a great company and almost all their ships I sailed on were very happy ships. From my experience, Parrish was an exception in the fleet.

Jon Vincent
7th July 2010, 04:37
Keltic Star. I thought I had seen the last of him after my first trip, no way, he turned up when I was third mate on the "Royston Grange" as the super in the Royal docks for the Furness Gruop ships, still the same stoney face. Your right even the "Black Prince" was happy but the best were the three hatch boats out of Manchester, I heard them called coffin ships because that was the only way you could get a job was when someone died

Keltic Star
8th July 2010, 05:27
Keltic Star. I thought I had seen the last of him after my first trip, no way, he turned up when I was third mate on the "Royston Grange" as the super in the Royal docks for the Furness Gruop ships, still the same stoney face.

Your right even the "Black Prince" was happy but the best were the three hatch boats out of Manchester, I heard them called coffin ships because that was the only way you could get a job was when someone died

Fortunately I never came across Parrish again after my first trip. I was on two of the Manchester three hatchers, Northumbrian and Cyprian, the smartest yachts in the Med.

PJG1412
23rd October 2010, 21:12
(*))Reading this thread I wonder if any of you were on this trip: My 2rd trip to sea was on the Tudor Prince Jan 9th/62 under Capt Kent , I always thought it was the maiden voyage but reading the thread I realize I am wrong. I was 17 and my job was galleyboy. Not the best job in the world(peeling spuds, some times by hand when the Hobart broke down) but I enjoyed the ship and the fact that I was at sea. We sailed from I.of Grain to Aruba then back to Hamburg and Rotterdam, then to everyones disappointment except mine we sailed for the Persian Gulf. We arrived in Abadan where my colleague !!! the pantryboy had a boxing match with a steward on the dockside at mid-day temp 126f !! How stupid can one be.
We left the Gulf and sailed for New Zealand by the time we arrived we were running seriously short of everything in the food line. We called at Bluff, Littteton, Dunedin, New Plymouth etc and then sailed for Australia Freemantle. On arriving there the Chief cook "Windy" was sent home with with some serious illness, Archie the 2rd cook and baker moved to CC and myself moved into Archie position, and we share the CC wages !! We left Auss and I believe we were then on our way back to NZ when we broke down on the Barrier Reef (not sure what the course must have been to be there) I think for the next 2-3 weeks the engineers worked trying to get us going, we would move some distance and then stop again for a few more days. During this time it was considered a good idea to fish for sharks. I think we hooked 3 but they got away !! What the hell would we have done if they had been landed. My job was to provide the liver blood. We eventually limped into Singapore where we spent 3 weeks replacing something in the engines!! During that time a new CC was sent out frm the UK so a galleyboy I went back to.
We eventually sailed back to the Gulf and returned to UK after a voyage of 7 months, I paid off with 108pounds more than what I had every had. I then joined the Pacific Envoy for 3 trips to N.America, and left the sea in 65. I have fond memories of Furness Withy especially sitting outside the galley peeling veg and being watched by albatross which glided alongside for hours and days at a time. After a great career in computing and now retired it is great looking back with no regrets even "peeling spuds" they make lovely stories to tell.
Pete(*))

michael charters
24th October 2010, 15:51
Pacifc Envoy good clean ship. Did you remember the Chief Lecky Jim Downie from Pasley?

harry pennington
24th October 2010, 19:30
Pacifc Envoy good clean ship. Did you remember the Chief Lecky Jim Downie from Pasley?

I sailed on the Pacific Envoy as R/O voyage 9 Feb 61- May 61 the Chief Lecky was Jim Downie so i think he must have done a few years on her, The old man was at the time was Arthur Cooke. Yes it was a good clean ship and great crew. We did the west coast of US and Canada.

michael charters
24th October 2010, 23:08
I sailed on the Pacific Envoy as R/O voyage 9 Feb 61- May 61 the Chief Lecky was Jim Downie so i think he must have done a few years on her, The old man was at the time was Arthur Cooke. Yes it was a good clean ship and great crew. We did the west coast of US and Canada.

Jim Downie was on Envoy since its construction and lanuch.
He looked after the ship as if his own. I was Second with him. He used to tell me stories of the convoys during WW2. Scarry times. He watch his brother's ship being torpedoed and sunk. He knew the settings for Zig Zagging. Great Man and very dedicated to his work.

PJG1412
25th October 2010, 12:50
I joined the Pacific Envoy as engineers steward from September 62 until July 63. I remember the engineers being a good bunch of guys, I even took tea or cocoa in the late evening down to the engine room. The chief engineer’s name I don’t recall but he was a big Scottish guy and very popular.

The first voyage was a disaster, before we sailed a crew member fell from the bridge onto the dockside at Glasgow. A passenger dropped dead at the dinner table so we returned alongside and missed the tide, so the next day we sailed “Friday the 13th”
Mid Atlantic the chief steward died and was buried at sea. We ran the blockade which the Americans had imposed during the Cuban missile crisis. On arriving at Wilmington/Los Angeles the longshoremen were striking in all the American ports. I don’t know how, but we still managed to unload. A pilot managed to demolish a wooden jetty in one of the American Rivers. On the return home the Canadian timber on the for’ard deck was washed overboard during a storm off Ireland. On arriving at the Manchester ship canal a month over due we were delayed because of a mine found floating in the canal!!
I sailed again on the next trip as she was such a good ship, so much so that three years ago I built a model of her which is now on Model Ships Forum.
As a final thought, do I recall an officer who was a member of a union which was linked to the Communist Party being refused entry to the United States.
Pete

harry pennington
25th October 2010, 13:29
I joined the Pacific Envoy as engineers steward from September 62 until July 63. I remember the engineers being a good bunch of guys, I even took tea or cocoa in the late evening down to the engine room. The chief engineer’s name I don’t recall but he was a big Scottish guy and very popular.

The first voyage was a disaster, before we sailed a crew member fell from the bridge onto the dockside at Glasgow. A passenger dropped dead at the dinner table so we returned alongside and missed the tide, so the next day we sailed “Friday the 13th”
Mid Atlantic the chief steward died and was buried at sea. We ran the blockade which the Americans had imposed during the Cuban missile crisis. On arriving at Wilmington/Los Angeles the longshoremen were striking in all the American ports. I don’t know how, but we still managed to unload. A pilot managed to demolish a wooden jetty in one of the American Rivers. On the return home the Canadian timber on the for’ard deck was washed overboard during a storm off Ireland. On arriving at the Manchester ship canal a month over due we were delayed because of a mine found floating in the canal!!
I sailed again on the next trip as she was such a good ship, so much so that three years ago I built a model of her which is now on Model Ships Forum.
As a final thought, do I recall an officer who was a member of a union which was linked to the Communist Party being refused entry to the United States.
Pete
When i sailed on her feb-may 61 the Chief Eng. was Wilf Macdonald so it seems to be the same chap. Good crew.

PJG1412
6th March 2011, 10:58
I just bought 2 x DVD's of the Manchester Ship Canal Part1 & 2, both front covers has a photo of the "Pacific Envoy". They cover a period from 1955-64 some excellent shots of many ships going up and down the canal. The Envoy is filmed outbound and homeward. Also included are Pacific Unity/Northwest, and Norman Price and Northumberland. I have requested permission to copy some shots for this site, but had no reply, but they are worth buying.
Pete


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harry pennington
6th March 2011, 11:27
I just bought 2 x DVD's of the Manchester Ship Canal Part1 & 2, both front covers has a photo of the "Pacific Envoy". They cover a period from 1955-64 some excellent shots of many ships going up and down the canal. The Envoy is filmed outbound and homeward. Also included are Pacific Unity/Northwest, and Norman Price and Northumberland. I have requested permission to copy some shots for this site, but had no reply, but they are worth buying.
Pete


http://www.cinerail.com
Thanks Pete, I will be getting copies and reliving the old days, we did not think in them days we would look on them as good times, just got on with the job as best we could. Cheers Harry

PJG1412
6th March 2011, 12:59
Hi Harry, There is a nice closeup shot of the Envoy going pass the Swing Bridge. Its amazing how close they are or were to the traffic, no idea what date it was.
Regards Pete
PS: I bought the DVD's in the Railway Museum in York, the photo of the ship caught my eye, and was surprised to see the Envoy.

harry pennington
6th March 2011, 13:26
Hi Harry, There is a nice closeup shot of the Envoy going pass the Swing Bridge. Its amazing how close they are or were to the traffic, no idea what date it was.
Regards Pete
PS: I bought the DVD's in the Railway Museum in York, the photo of the ship caught my eye, and was surprised to see the Envoy.
Pete, Early Feb 1961, sailed from Manchester 8am cleared Eastham by midnight. It was the one and only time I was on the canal and remember the Swing Bridge very well and as you say we were very close to the bridge iron work. In later years i got to know the Swing Bridge very well as i was assisting with the operation of a fleet of canal hire boats from worsley. Most punters went that way to go on the Cheshire ring, that ment they could go right around in 1 week, [ that is with long days ]. Sometime it was closed for upkeep which was a problem.. Cheers Harry

Robinj
10th March 2011, 13:02
I just bought 2 x DVD's of the Manchester Ship Canal Part1 & 2, both front covers has a photo of the "Pacific Envoy". They cover a period from 1955-64 some excellent shots of many ships going up and down the canal. The Envoy is filmed outbound and homeward. Also included are Pacific Unity/Northwest, and Norman Price and Northumberland. I have requested permission to copy some shots for this site, but had no reply, but they are worth buying.
Pete


http://www.cinerail.com

Hi Pete, I also bought these DVD'S great arn't they. One of my old ships the Norman Prince was shown, and a Houlders Ore Carrier I sailed on Three but not the one shown. Robin

ALAN TYLER
10th March 2011, 14:56
Hi Pete, I also bought these DVD'S great arn't they. One of my old ships the Norman Prince was shown, and a Houlders Ore Carrier I sailed on Three but not the one shown. Robin
Hi Robin, Do you know the name of the Houlders ore carrier as i sailed in a few? Alan.

Jon Vincent
11th March 2011, 00:42
Thanks for the tip PJG1412, last year I visited with an old engineer friend of mine in Barnsly, he said he had a surprise for me as with both spent a long time on the "Northumbrian Prince" and he showed me thess two DVD's, they were great but he could not remember where he got them, three days later my wife and I did the railway museum in York but did not see them. I will certinely chase them done now. Thanks.

Rafal Zahorski
30th August 2011, 08:28
Hello Guys,

You mean these vessels? Smith's Dock origin. There were 4 made for that line.

I see that this thread is not active from 2010 but I have just scanned all papers coming from 1939 - so time when they were born on paper only.

You can see all details about them just here:

http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/smiths/19301944/aalist19301944.htm

2 of them were sunken during WWII - but two of them described on that thread survived from the war time. So you can see several nice pictures of that two coming on that link and looking at the 1940 - so year of their launching. Your two ones are with shipyard No., 1068 & 1069.

I have a huge scans of their original documents. Some of them I attached but size is not so nice - it is a limit of SN.

Soon I will publish them on our www and I will give you here a link to be able to download a files of ca 10 - 15 Mb each.

Best greeting Rafal

HYLTON P
8th April 2012, 22:43
I WAS 4th ENGINEER ON THE LANCASTRIAN PRINCE WHEN WE HAD A BOMB CHAINED TO THE SHIPS SIDE BELOW THE WATER LINE .I WAS ON WATCH AT ABOUT 10 00HRS WHEN THE 2nd ENG CAME INTO THE E R AND STARTED TO SPEED UP THE ENGINE . AT FIRST HE WOULD NOT TELL ME WHY HE WAS DOING IT BUT AFTER MY PERSISTENCE HE TOLD ME THAT A BOMB HAD BEEN PLANTED ON THE SHIP AND WE WERE DIRECTED TO ANCHOR OFF MIAMI SO THE COAST GUARD COULD DEAL WITH IT
I WAS ON WATCH AGAIN WHEN WE ANCHORED AND I WAS INFORMED BY THE BRIDGE TO CLEAR THE E R AS THE COAST GUARD HAD LOCATED AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE ON THE SHIPS SIDE
WE ALL GATHERED AFT THEN IF I RECALL RIGHTLY THE C G THEN HAULED A LONG CYLINDER ON DECK AND DEFUSED IT BEHIND No 3 HATCH PORT WINCH AFTER THAT WE WERE PLEASED TO SAIL FOR HOME

robin
8th April 2012, 23:17
Hi ADavidson
I done two trips to the Great Lakes on the Beechmore as 'Chippy'in 1962. Joined her in London and paid-off on the second voyage on the Tyne. Great little ship with fond memories under the command of Capt. Sheffield. Our accommodation (Chippy & Bos'n) in the aft deck-house, Crew below, not the best place for comfort crossing the pond on in stormy conditions. Later she went down the Med for the winter runs.
Robin.

RGA
9th April 2012, 22:07
I am trying to trace anyone who was crew of the Norman Prince in 1960.We transported a Boulder from Bethlehem via Beirut to Manchester for Coventry Cathederal, which was opened in 1962 after the Blitz,and it is now their Font, as they are trying to put together information of interest for the 50th anniversary.I was 3rd Officer,Captain Hattrick,Chief Engineer ?Braithwaite,2nd Officer ?Findlay.

CAPT.BOB
21st June 2012, 21:56
Glad to see the thread about the Lancastrian Prince and the Bomb is still going.It's been a very long time time since I was on this site and having just found some old photos taken of myself and fellow Cadets I am wondering if any who were on the Pacific Northwest from Dec 1959 and the following trip are on site.One Cadet I sailed with on her and also the Beechmore was Tony Smith from Jersey.

Frank Lawlor
18th July 2012, 13:40
I did a couple of trips to the Med on the Merchant Prince in 67.

Admiralwindjammer
25th July 2012, 01:15
I am looking for a set of plans for the Maltese Prince or any other Prince Line ship of the 1940's period. If you can help me please contact me. I will share whatever I get with you all.

George Bieda
Windjammer-arts.com