Norwegian WW2 artefact ID assistance please

andysk
14th July 2011, 17:16
In my father's possessions I have found a pen & ink drawing, a pic of which is attached. Also attached is a close up of the autographs. I am more than curious to understand what is it's significance.

Who was it made by, presented by, for what occasion, what does it depict, is it common or rare ?

His background - escaped to Scotland in 1940 on what became the Shetland Bus, joined the Norwegian MN as an AB, trained as a R/O at Atkins Road in Clapham, London and served on several ships, all Norwegian, and finished up on the 'Kronprinsen' up to the end of the war and beyond. I know the 'Kronprinsen' was the first ship into Kirkenes after the German retreat, and at some stage Norwegian Royalty came on board, there is a small contact print of the King meeting the officers in an album he has.

I hope some of our knowledgeable Scandinavian members may be able to shed some light on this, I would ask him, but he almost 90, is somewhat frail and his memory is not what it was. Also, as he is now resident in Norway, it makes it a tad difficult to have a face to face chat !

Thanks in advance ....

Andy

stein
14th July 2011, 17:28
The picture is of Crown-prince Olav, and is the work of an amateur. It seems to be signed by the crown-prince "Olav X"(?), which might make it valuable? May I suggest that it was made by the one who has signed his name on the right (Karl Stup?), and was at one occasion signed by the Crown-prince? The "V" must stand for "victory." When he became king in 1957, this was as Olav V, btw.

Here's Olav's signature as crown-prince: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trondheim_byarkiv/4763325873/ The correspondence seems to be OK. Now who was Karl Stup?

andysk
14th July 2011, 20:03
Many thanks for this Stein, stupid of me that I didn't think, of course Crown Prince Olav, a ship vessel called "Kronprinsen" - makes sense !

Perhaps from what you say about it being the work of an amateur, it was someone on board "Kronprinsen" when the visit by Royalty took place. If I can find it, I'll scan in the pic he has in his album.

Matt Gibbs
15th July 2011, 14:16
Lovely artefact there. If you look on the Pathe news site there is a newsreel film of the crown prince visiting a Norwegian ship in a British port, wearing his naval uniform as a senior officer in the Royal Norwegian Navy. Being a bit slow I just realised that this is likely to be the Clyde, and the ship is in fact Kronprinsen, having been refitted there and renamed from Empire Fairbairn, and handed to Nortraship in 1942.
The synopsis of the film says it is unused material, and suggests the place 'might' be in the south but who knows?
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=51888

Amongst the medal ribbons in the drawing are the Royal Norwegian Order of St Olav, Order of Merit, King Haakon VII Coronation Medal, King Haakon VII Jubilee Medal, Norwegian Red Cross Medal of Honour, going roughly by the colour bands and precedence.
regards
Matt

andysk
15th July 2011, 16:17
Hi Matt ..

Many thanks for this link, when I can get to a quicker broadband connexion this weekend I'll take a look at it.

Cheers

Andy

stein
15th July 2011, 17:01
Is this the ship?: http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/kronprinsen.html

andysk
15th July 2011, 19:10
That's the one Stein thanks, I contributed some things of what my Father said a few years ago to the site.

I think it's so important to get these personal memories recorded before it's too late. Generals and Admirals write the "big picture" books, but it's only those at the coal face so to speak who can put the flesh on the bones, and add life to those otherwise dry facts.

Mjroots
20th September 2011, 07:59
I've just written an article about this ship for Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Kronprinsen

Honnestden
2nd October 2011, 17:24
Hi i am wondering if any one can help me our lasses farther sailed on these boats during the war ,and i wondered if anone would know anything about them ,the name of one is S/S "Solhavn" and the other one is S/s Granfors there is some names what we donot understand "HYREKONTRAKT" the stamp on the paper is KGL NORSK KONSULA and he sailed from Hull i also have a letter from the King of norway who sent letters to all the crew i did have it transalted but seem to have missed layd it also he was on the S/S"TORE JARLE" M/T EVITA ,Some more words AVREGNINSBOK KGL NORSK VICEKONSULA Southhampton i would apperiate any information if any one can help please

stein
2nd October 2011, 17:35
HYREKONTRAKT KGL NORSK KONSULAT - AVREGNINGSBOK KGL NORSK VICEKONSULAT

As a Norwegian I know those words, but not how to translate them into English. "Hiring-contract (this and that job for this and that pay) Royal Norwegian Consulate, and Account Book (what he was owed for what) Royal Norwegian Vice-consulate." "Hiring Contract" and "Account Book" probably does not exist as names in English, but an Englishman will help you. Here are, I believe, the ships:

http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/granfoss.html

http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/solhavn.html

http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/evita.html

http://www.warsailors.com/singleships/torejarl.html

andysk
1st November 2011, 00:03
The picture is of Crown-prince Olav, and is the work of an amateur. It seems to be signed by the crown-prince "Olav X"(?), which might make it valuable? May I suggest that it was made by the one who has signed his name on the right (Karl Stup?), and was at one occasion signed by the Crown-prince? The "V" must stand for "victory." When he became king in 1957, this was as Olav V, btw.

Here's Olav's signature as crown-prince: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trondheim_byarkiv/4763325873/ The correspondence seems to be OK. Now who was Karl Stup?

I spoke to my Father at the weekend, the picture was drawn by one Karl STEIP, who was an artist working for a Norwegain language newspaper published in London during the war, called Norges Tidende.

As to value, well it is mostly 'sentimental' to me of course, but I suppose it may have some intrinsic value as well perhaps.