Kowloon Bay

Fairfield
2nd July 2004, 14:48
One of the German built 1970s series of large container ships built for Overseas Containers taken from QE2 in Southampton Water in 1979 inbound.

VTR1000
31st May 2007, 15:22
Wasn't it the Kowloon Bay that ran aground on Rhondo Island at the top end of the Malacca Straits in the late 80's?

Succour
6th September 2008, 09:25
Dear VTR,
yes it was Kowloon Bay that ran aground.
I sailed on her Voyage 2 from Southampton, as 4th engineer.
I think I was the only steam man in the Engine room. All others were Elder Dempster Diesel Chiefs who were seeking their combined tickets. That and of course there was a shortage of ships. Needless to say we had a bad accident. One lad Steve..... can't remember his last name was badly burnt sadly through lack of knowledge of steam. Drains tank pump was not isolated and started on high level switch whilst he was looking for leaks at the end of the Condenser Vacuum maker. Nasty, and It has been with me to this day. One golden rule on steam ships. do not hurry maintenace jobs.

Hope you are keeping well mate.

Succour.

Duncan112
6th September 2008, 15:10
Dear VTR,
yes it was Kowloon Bay that ran aground.
I sailed on her Voyage 2 from Southampton, as 4th engineer.
I think I was the only steam man in the Engine room. All others were Elder Dempster Diesel Chiefs who were seeking their combined tickets. That and of course there was a shortage of ships. Needless to say we had a bad accident. One lad Steve..... can't remember his last name was badly burnt sadly through lack of knowledge of steam. Drains tank pump was not isolated and started on high level switch whilst he was looking for leaks at the end of the Condenser Vacuum maker. Nasty, and It has been with me to this day. One golden rule on steam ships. do not hurry maintenace jobs.

Hope you are keeping well mate.

Succour.

Would that be Steve Beckett? I sailed with him in "Oriental Bay" around 1993-4 when he was CEO. Believe he passed on shortly after from cancer. One of lifes gentlemen.

Duncan

Succour
9th September 2008, 09:26
Duncan,
I wouldn't have thought it was Steve Becket
Sadly, I don't think Steve would have got over that accident, as a result of his 3rd degree burns. I had my wife with me on that fateful voyage, and she made me hand in my resignation letter to the Chief there and then, as a result of Steve's accident. I was sad to leave the Merchant Navy as I had made so many great pals and Shipmates, including my half cousin Bobby Smith, an Elder Dempster Chief who was on the Auriol for many years.

Cheers Duncan. Nice to talk to you mate.

Succour.

Bill Davies
9th September 2008, 09:31
when he was CEO.
Duncan

Chief Engineer???

Duncan112
9th September 2008, 21:14
Chief Engineer???

Yes, P&OCL had a rank structure that ran (traditional equivalents in brackets):

Deck

Master

1ON (First Officer Navigating) (Mate)

2ON (Second Mate)

3ON (Third Mate)

Engine

CEO (Chief Officer Engineering) (Chief Engineer)

1OE (Second Engineer)

2OE (Third Engineer)

3OE (Fourth Engineer)

2OR (Second Officer Radio) (Sparks)

ETO

2OC (Second Officer Catering) (Chief Steward/Catering Officer)

Just to add to the confusion there was no distinguishing colour between the bars of the braid and you got the 2O promotion when you got your seconds/mates ticket so you could be on a ship with daywork mate, three second mates, daywork second engineer, three third engineers, result 6 officers in identical uniform - used to confuse the Japanese.

Cheers,

Duncan

Bill Davies
9th September 2008, 22:10
Confuses me!
So the Chief Stwd is ranked the same as Second Officer???

EdwardParry
22nd October 2008, 15:33
Hello Succour!,
I think I must have sailed with you on the Kowloon Bay after being over in Keil for 6 months for final commissioning , then sailed to Southampton via the German coast then onto Japan. I did 2 trips on her & came of in early 1973.
One thing I clearly remember(claiming age forgetfulness most of the time now!) is coming into Soton for the first time. The Chief Eng(Mr.Wilson?) asked me to be on the controls in the Engine room. To cut a very long story short someone up top has miscalculated how much water was underneath her(NOT ENOUGH!) and we really tested the astern performance of the steam turbines. The chief rang up top to ask what the ---- was going on as we were getting close to some of the shut down trips being activated! All ended well but what a Stand by for me/us below.
I hope that having done 5 trips on the Patroclus does qualify me as being a "steam man"?

Cheers
Edward Parry
4th Eng
Blue Flue/OCL

Succour
27th October 2008, 09:28
Edward.

C/E Mr Wilson rings a bell....tall guy with grey hair, well white by the time he left her. Was he from Sunderland...?
I can't remember your name, nothing new at my age, but good to hear from you.

Succour

BillH
27th October 2008, 19:01
One of the German built 1970s series of large container ships built for Overseas Containers taken from QE2 in Southampton Water in 1979 inbound.
KOWLOON BAY
O.N. 357798. 58,889g. 35,191n. 950' 0"(BB) x 106' 1" x 42' 9"
As built; Four, steam turbines made by STAL-LAVAL Turbin Ab, Finspang, reduction geared to twin propeller shafts. 81,132 SHP. 27 kts. Two thwartship thrust propellers forward.
Post 1981: Two, 8-cyl 2 S.C.S. A. (900 x 1550mm) Sulzer 8RND90 type oil engines made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd., Kobe, Japan. 50,880 BHP. 23 kts.

20.2.1972: Launched by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft, Kiel (Yard No. 26), for the Ocean Steamship Company Ltd., (Container Fleets Ltd., managers).

7.1972: Completed.

15.1.1973: Owners restyled as Ocean Transport & Trading Ltd., (Ocean Fleets Ltd., managers).

10.1981: Re-engined.

30.11.1984: Sold to Chase Manhattan Ltd., and leased to Overseas Containers Ltd.

28.5.1986: P&O acquired full control of Overseas Containers Ltd.

28.11.1986: Purchased by Overseas Containers Ltd.

1.1.1987: Owners restyled as P&O Containers Ltd.

1992: Sold to NatWest Specialist Finance Ltd., (P&O Containers Ltd., (P&OCL), managers), London.

1996: Renamed NOL DELPHI , under Bermuda registry, for charter to Neptune Orient Line. Neddlloyd Leasing (GB) Ltd

1997: Renamed P&O NEDLLOYD TEXAS (P&O Nedlloyd Ltd., appointed as managers).

3.2000: Renamed TEXAS (P&O Nedlloyd B.V., appointed as managers).

10.3.2000: Departed Savannah for Kaohsiung via Hong Kong.

17.4.2000: Departed Hong Kong for Kaohsiung.

15.8.200: Arrived Rotterdam.

22.9.2000: Arrived at Shanghai for demolition.

EdwardParry
28th October 2008, 15:17
BillH - thanks for bring me up to speed regarding the Kowloon Bay ; got a funny feeling reading about her final fate(EEK):sweat:
I remember all those times working on her in Keil ; got her up to 35 knots on sea trials which was rapid for a ship ; then in dry dock in Hamburg crawling along the full length of the keel inside the ship. The accomdation was somewhat better than the Patroclus I sailed on but we are talking about a ship which was almost 20 years older in design when built.

Succour,
I have tried to up load a photo of me taken in 2005 - but not very clever in this department. If it doesn't work will have another go.
Cheers
Edward

EdwardParry
28th October 2008, 15:24
I can now see it did work!(Thumb)
This was taken in a POSH hotel in Hampshire where we had to go in fancy dress to the Squire of the Manor's Ball at the end of WW2(but in 2005)(Jester)
My wife Linda went as the village school mistress(she is an ex- teacher) and I went as you can see as a merchant navy officer - 4th Eng. The uniform I'm wearing is my old uniform from 36 years ago and the jacket still(just) fits but I hasten to add the trousers don't(Smoke) . The cap,badge & white cover are all original.

Succour
29th October 2008, 06:53
Hi Edward.
Great outfits and looks like a good night out for you and the Mrs. All I have left is the cap from Holts Mutual Benefit.
I have attached a nice pic of Kowloon Bay nipping along nicely. I have a framed version of this put on the wall of my Local German Pub here in KL.
Thanks for a nice memory.

Succour(Thumb)

Geoff Brant
25th November 2009, 22:58
Hi, first sailed on Kowloon Bay Nov. `73, sailed with Steve Beckett on Tokyo Bay`76 as x 2nd eng, know all about the accident and yes he did pass away with cancer
Anybody out there who knows me

Succour
26th November 2009, 16:25
Geoff, were you ever on the Nelius or Theseus, say around 1968...? and did you ever stay at Iliad house when working by. I knew a lad called Geoff about that time, we used to go for a beer near the underground Station. I went on Nestor with Harry Robertson. and 2nd Eng Wullie Sutherland. Those N class boats were quite an experience. Send me a PM if any bells ring.
Succour.

Geoff Brant
26th November 2009, 21:36
Hi, yes it was probably me, joined around Sep`68, stayed at Iliad, remember nights out around the docks, went deep sea on Theseus Dec, did 3 trips before seconds ticket in Hull, last 5 years were on bay boats where i got my chief`s, left `78`
Ring any bells ?

Geoff Clode
27th November 2009, 11:40
I worked at HOVALDSWERKE Shipyard in Kiel in 72. the Kowloon Bay was just getting built then. The thickness of her hull was larger than British built ships.
The wages and conditions were a lot better than back home, hence the inrush of British workers!

Billieboy
27th November 2009, 11:56
I worked at HOVALDSWERKE Shipyard in Kiel in 72. the Kowloon Bay was just getting built then. The thickness of her hull was larger than British built ships.
The wages and conditions were a lot better than back home, hence the inrush of British workers!

The Class was known as the Bremen Express class, the design was Bremer Vulcan, they built two or three, whilst HDW also built two. There was a block order of eight engines from Stahl Laval and eight screws from Lips Drunen,(just up the road from where I live. I was on board Bremen Express just after trials, as Cockburns had supplied all the engine room and ballast system Butterfly valves. They were supposed to be the second generation Boxers, then Sea Land built the S7s.

Allan James
28th November 2009, 17:05
Did a trip on the Kowloon Bay in 1979, included a dry-dock in HDW, Hamburg....got some photos somewhere. She was a test case for self polishing Co-Polymer paint from International Paints....they had a tech with us, and he used to get really excited about the thickness of the paint! (Comments about watching paint drying are appropriate!) We left Hamburg and did some trials in Torbay, the old girl was like a 60,000 ton speedboat, and very little vibration! Marvellous ship!

japottinger
13th January 2010, 17:18
I have just bought the book British Box Business, a History of OCL edited by Alan Bott. There is a aerial picture of Kowloon Bay aground on Rondo Island on page 265. Story says she went on at 20 knots, tug got her off and she was towed stern first to Singapore leaving her bulbous bow on the island for perpetuity! Collision bulkhead held.

stevie burgess
14th January 2010, 01:46
Sailed on "Kowloon Bay" a trip or two after the grounding on Rondo Island and have seen some photos of the damage to the bow...bit of a mess to say the least! Heard a few different stories here and there but none of us will ever get or hear the right story how it happened...only the two on watch can tell that!!!

martinpf
8th December 2011, 17:16
As the last post says only the two on watch know what actually happened, leaving the rest of us to clear up the mess. I was chief Engineer and the photograph shows me looking at the damage during the subsequent docking in Singapore

Hugh Ferguson
8th December 2011, 20:52
Can anyone recall if Captain Railton was the master in the Kowloon Bay during any of these voyages. My interest is that he made his first trip as a middy (as I was doing my last) in the Samcree in late 1946. He died from cancer a few years ago after seventeen years in retirement.

G0SLP
8th December 2011, 21:28
As the last post says only the two on watch know what actually happened, leaving the rest of us to clear up the mess. I was chief Engineer and the photograph shows me looking at the damage during the subsequent docking in Singapore

That's some serious damage there - thanks for posting that. There but for the grace...

Scary moments for those on board, I would think. Not good.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
16th December 2011, 10:35
David Hebden of Thomas Cooper and Stibbard (P&O's lawyers, hence OCL's lawyers) investigated that grounding and I recall two snippets.

One was the OOW found himself looking UP at the lighthouse...

and the other was that David told him his days with OCL were over and got him a job with the salvors.

Mark McShane
10th January 2012, 12:35
Story I heard about the grounding when I was with P&O was that the OOW had been at his birthday party the previous evening and was 'resting his eyes' on the bridge. The lookout left the bridge to go make toast and first person to know anything about it was the duty engineer when he got an alarm.

Always got a giggle when passing Rhondo with P&O, the OM had to be up on the bridge whenever passing, just so it didn't happen again