Zealandic (65)

david smith
20th July 2004, 16:39
The Shaw Savill Zealandic at Kenosha, Wisconsin. Built 1965 7,750gt
On Uiterwick charter.

flyer682
23rd November 2004, 09:36
Now this is an interesting photo. I note that the superstructure is painted grey so the charter to Uiterwyk Lines must have been a fairly long one. Was she still carrying a Shaw Savill crew during this time?
Sold July 1980 to a Greek owner and became the "Port Launay"
Interestingly, both "Zealandic" and sister "Laurentic" were initially first choice to go over to the NZ Shipping Corporation, but eventually rejected as unsuitable. "Brittanic" & "Majestic" were taken over instead.

tanker
23rd November 2004, 15:08
ZEALANDIC change name in 1981 from PORT LAUNAY in the Lib. KHALIJ KRISTAL and subseqountly broken up. Few time after LAURENTIC was broken
up as SPARTAN REEFER.

david smith
23rd November 2004, 15:36
Yes, the Zealandic was painted in the Shaw Savill greys, dark grey for hull and lighter for superstructure and masts. This was the scheme in the latter days of the company. The funnel was painted in charterers colours. The route was Sheerness/ Rotterdam to Kenosha (Wisconson) in summer months, and in winter to the gulf ports of Freeport and Tampa.

waiwera
14th October 2005, 18:38
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Sorry that this image has been deleted - I did the maiden voyage ( and voyage 2) on Zealandic. Then the newest ship in SAA but the master would not let the OOW use the Radar, if he did then then he had to be present at all times................very strange compared to these days......................

ray1buck1
14th October 2005, 19:35
A friend has recently crossed over his Wife would like a photograph of the ships he sailed on to go with his record book
One was the “M V Zealandic” Off No 186230

If any one could provide a copy I would much appreciate one
Regards Ray

Mick quinn
22nd February 2006, 21:10
Served on Zealandic in 1971 on trip from London to Western Australia light ship to load full cargo of apples at 3 ports. Back in UK with just enough sea time to qualify for AB rank was I glad we hit fog in E. Channel that delayed us for 2 days! Lovely ship inside but rolled like a B...... even on calm waters due to quite high accomodation. One and only SS Ship, not sure why!

Mick quinn
22nd February 2006, 21:13
Cannot help with photo I am afraid, the only ship I served on where I didn't take reels of photos. Interested to note though that I also served on Zealandic (1971) and Sagamore (1973)

noel robson
2nd July 2007, 15:48
I did a few trips on zealandic,we where arrested in Rotterdam,chain and lock through the ships wheel etc.the charterer had not paid there bills,also the last trip for SS&A,the deck crowd could not wait to repaint the funnel in buff,
sold the ship afterwards and sailed with the new owners to Brest before flying back to UK.

terence
2nd July 2007, 23:07
ist why put an image on then deleted it / WHEN i find out i will put
some more terry music man

Tony Breach
4th July 2007, 11:35
I have the builder's plate from this ship & also a capacity plan. She had a serious condition of class on leaving SS&A in respect of damage caused while at Kenosha - anyone know what happened?

Also several of the stability conditions from the stability booklet were disallowed by either class or DTI when still with SS&A.

Anyone know how many crew she had when new?

Tony

noel robson
5th July 2007, 12:54
Zealandic was sideswiped in Kenosha by another ship which then went on to ram the dockside and left a nice bow shape in the road at the end of the dock.
I was down the er trying to refit a liner into the engine when this happened
after the liner stopped swinging about,went on deck to find fire main broken
water in all directions,and the aft deck covered in busted gangway,from the other ship.The ships side had been sprung in about an inch or so and there was damage to the er fwd bulkhead.In dry dock before the ship was sold
the surveyor was trying to make a big issue about this,and I guess that he was the one to put on the condition.The bulkhead was repaired at this time.

R58484956
5th July 2007, 14:36
A belated greetings and welcome to you Noel. Enjoy the site and all it has to offer. Bon voyage.

Tony Breach
5th July 2007, 18:57
Thanks Noel,

The Greek buyers sold her on to Gulfeast who basically bought her without proper inspections & without investigating her class history. The class paperwork was all jumbled up & the class condition, which was in respect of shell plating, starboard side in way of hatches 2 & 3 at about lower tweendeeck level, did not surface until docking in 1984 at Botlek for collision damage. At this time it was noted at the docking inspection that there was also considerable setting up of bottom plates over much of her length although the appearance of the corrosion & scale gave the impression that this damage was quite old - another mystery. She was in generally very poor condition at that time & being somewhat limited as to what cargoes she could properly carry in a very poor market the owners sensibly elected to scrap the vessel. Her previous charterers, Transocean of Sczeczin were liable for the collision damage & paid off owners to their satisfaction.

Tony

ewenlowrie
27th August 2007, 04:53
was on zealandic when she did the west coast of the states run 1967 what a trip. she was loaded with boooze from end to end. there were four shelties on deck the two grey brothers vic & karl tom hay my cabin mate and myself .tom kept smashing the mugs up against the bulkhead. then he would yell for bob dunkley the deckboy to get new ones .jake mackay was one of the greezers kenny shaw was lampy inga brownie was bosun he was completly nuts .but he always claimed he was the only sane one on the ship for he had two certifecates to proove it he had been in the nut house twice.i will try and put a photo of the zealandic onthe site cheers for now
lowrie ewen
nickname big low

ewenlowrie
4th September 2007, 13:35
how do you post photos on this site got a really good photo of the zealandic
can anybody help cheers lowrie

gadgee
4th September 2007, 13:50
Lowrie

Assuming that you want to post a thumbnail here in the Shaw Savill forum - go to bottom of this page, see large box "quick reply". click "go advanced" at bottom, scroll down to "attach files" but remember being a thumbnail you may have to reduce it in size substantially. When finished click on "submit reply".
You can also post the normal size pics in the Gallery - click on "upload" and follow instructions.
Regards
Paul

ewenlowrie
9th September 2007, 11:16
will try again to get this photo of zealandic on forums

gadgee
9th September 2007, 12:14
Came out very well. Thanks for posting.

Tony Breach
11th September 2007, 11:18
Lowrie,

Thanks for the pic. I have compared it to the KHALIJ CRYSTAL photo I have & the signal mast has been altered with a second radar platform below the "christmas tree" array &, it appears, a section removed from between the top of the "christmas tree" & the original radar platform. It was one hell of a high mast as built.

What was the total crew when she was with SS&A? She seemed to have a lot of accommodation.

Tony.

JET
13th September 2007, 13:04
Tony,

Looking at a copy of the S S & A Fleet manning list (approx 1967/8) there appears to be a total crew of 50 + on the Zealandic at that time.

Regards John

Tony Breach
13th September 2007, 20:39
Thanks John,

I had to run her with 23 at the end. Not an easy ship & certainly not designed to run light ship across oceans. We made a ballast passage from Durban to Berkeley Sound F.I., in March & hit one hell of a storm. She was an absolute ***** to hold up to the wind with that bloody great focsle & not a lot of ship in the water. Not one of my favourites but I do have the builders plate!

Tony

zealandic
27th September 2007, 12:22
i sailed on her in 71...as o/s got my edh ticket at st katherines ..when i rejoined in royal albert we were waiting for a cargo..during that time i had really bad tonsilitis and had to pay off ..ending up having them out at greenwich seamans hosp. a shame as she was a lovely ship... does anyone recall that the monkey island was supposed to be haunted..apparently a shipyard worker got killed up there...i dont know if thats true..but the hair on my neck used to stand up when i was on lookout...it was also the first trip that shaw sav had the IDF ...where we had to do so many hours down below.there was a weird polish guy who had been on her for years..he had a funny walk...and as i recall didnt speak to anyone.. anyone remember him..z

noel robson
27th September 2007, 13:42
He was not Polish but Estonian or Latvian,cant remember his name,when the ship laid up for a time,he lived in a ruin on the dock side,never ever spent any money.

zealandic
27th September 2007, 14:57
i heard about that.. i heard it was sheerness and he had built a hut from pallettes hoping the ship would come back.. yeah now i recall im sure he was latvian thanks for that

Viv
14th July 2008, 14:02
I sailed on Zealandic mid 1966, (voyage 4) as apprentice engineer. I was the first apprentice to sail on her and was given a couple of boxes of brass valve labels and told to fit them all to the correct valves in and around the engine room before the end of the voyage (up to then none of the valves were labelled), I certainly learned a lot about the ship and its systems doing that job. If any subsequent engineer found a wrongly labelled valve, you now know who to blame but I don't think I got any wrong. Chief engineer was Lou May, second was Stuart Lye.
We called in Aqaba in Jorden on the way back from Aussie and the starboard rear side got slightly dented at deck level when the ship was moved, I don't know the details, I was ashore in Petra at the time.
We ended the voyage in Liverpool during the seamans strike and were double birthed with the Laurentic, probably the only time the sister ships were in the same place.
Viv A

Big Jim
14th July 2008, 16:07
Ray,

I just noticed that one of the ships that you are requesting photos of is the Cingalese Prince. I have just posted a pic of her today as Gallic, in Shaw Saville colours. However the Eastern Prince was a sister of the Cingalese and her photo was frequently used to show either of those ships. No doubt you can pick a photo of her in Prince Line livery on the web.

Regards Jim.

Morris
15th July 2009, 04:41
i sailed on her in 71...as o/s got my edh ticket at st katherines ..when i rejoined in royal albert we were waiting for a cargo..during that time i had really bad tonsilitis and had to pay off ..ending up having them out at greenwich seamans hosp. a shame as she was a lovely ship... does anyone recall that the monkey island was supposed to be haunted..apparently a shipyard worker got killed up there...i dont know if thats true..but the hair on my neck used to stand up when i was on lookout...it was also the first trip that shaw sav had the IDF ...where we had to do so many hours down below.there was a weird polish guy who had been on her for years..he had a funny walk...and as i recall didnt speak to anyone.. anyone remember him..z

His name was Mick and was Latvian.Looked a bit like an Albino. When we got to Kiwi one trip the customs found all his pay offs unopened. The Skipper, Carr, had a bank account opened for him in Auckland. This would have been while we were on the W Indies run. I also did a trip in 74 when she dry docked in Antwerp.

KenLin39
15th July 2009, 14:37
A friend has recently crossed over his Wife would like a photograph of the ships he sailed on to go with his record book
One was the “M V Zealandic” Off No 186230

If any one could provide a copy I would much appreciate one
Regards Ray

Hello Ray. According to date in discharge book the entry for Zealandic 1958 is the ex Western Prince of 1954, as shown in Miramar site. Becoming Manchester Trader in 1963, Western Prince 1969, Mariner 1971. Ken.

Don Matheson
15th July 2009, 15:46
Worked on the engine of the Zealandic while she was building at Stephens. At the time I was an apprentice and was serving part of my time in the engine shop so was not involved with the ship.
I certainly never heard of anyone being killed during the construction.

Don

Norman Kelly
31st July 2009, 16:29
Yes, the Zealandic was painted in the Shaw Savill greys, dark grey for hull and lighter for superstructure and masts. This was the scheme in the latter days of the company. The funnel was painted in charterers colours. The route was Sheerness/ Rotterdam to Kenosha (Wisconson) in summer months, and in winter to the gulf ports of Freeport and Tampa.

Just for the record David winter voyage was to Tampa and Gulf Port
Mississippi.
Bosun, Laurentic at the time.

howard james
18th February 2012, 21:02
Cannot help with photo I am afraid, the only ship I served on where I didn't take reels of photos. Interested to note though that I also served on Zealandic (1971) and Sagamore (1973)

I also sailed on the same trip ships cook, jimmy james (liverpool) done 2trips then joined the Mv illyric for 2 more trips
Regards Jimmy

howard james
18th February 2012, 21:15
i sailed on her in 71...as o/s got my edh ticket at st katherines ..when i rejoined in royal albert we were waiting for a cargo..during that time i had really bad tonsilitis and had to pay off ..ending up having them out at greenwich seamans hosp. a shame as she was a lovely ship... does anyone recall that the monkey island was supposed to be haunted..apparently a shipyard worker got killed up there...i dont know if thats true..but the hair on my neck used to stand up when i was on lookout...it was also the first trip that shaw sav had the IDF ...where we had to do so many hours down below.there was a weird polish guy who had been on her for years..he had a funny walk...and as i recall didnt speak to anyone.. anyone remember him..z

iwas also on that trip signed on london april 1971 done 2trips
i was ships cook from liverpool you should remember me we had some great nights in the bar and dont mentoin that IDF tom my second cook had to tie up still got the oilskins they gave us stiil unopend
regards jimmy

Bill Morrison
2nd June 2013, 22:06
Hi, I have just come across this site. I was an engineer with S.S.& A 1967- 1970. The Zealandic was the first ship. I joined her after the west coast of the States trip and stayed for almost two years. I met some great people in S.S.& A and recognize some of the names who have posted on here and hope to make contact with them.
Bill Morrison

Brian Brown
6th June 2013, 03:52
Hi, I have just come across this site. I was an engineer with S.S.& A 1967- 1970. The Zealandic was the first ship. I joined her after the west coast of the States trip and stayed for almost two years. I met some great people in S.S.& A and recognize some of the names who have posted on here and hope to make contact with them.
Bill Morrison

Hi Bill

Welcome to SN I'm sure you will spend many happy hours exploring the vast number of threads on this site.

I sailed on the MV Zealandic in '72 (2nd Eng) with Jimmy Mason Ch Eng. I am still in contact with Jimmy and enjoy his typical NE humour especially relating to the various news items out of the UK.

Browsing the site earlier this year I came across a thread on the Northern Star and it was written by a chap I had sailed with on the TSS Persic in 1960...to cut a long story short we are meeting later in the year when my wife and I travel back to the UK...so there you have it Bill! I do hope you derive as much pleasure as we have...ah yes my wife and I spent a very pleasant 7 months on the MV Medic in
1974 so we both enjoy 'the olds reliving their past'.

Take care Bill
Regards. Brian (Joe) Brown
PS It appears that there are 2 ships "Zealandic" in this thread? MV Zealandic (Shaw Savill) Off No. 306292 sister to MV Laurentic...

Bill Morrison
9th June 2013, 14:15
Hi Brian,
Thanks for your message. Jim Mason was the 2Eng for every voyage on Zealandic except the last one, Lou May was the Chief. I Can remember most of chaps I sailed with and have photos of some of them as well as the ship and shall try to post them.
All the best for now and hope to be in touch in the future. Bill Morrison

Morris
4th July 2013, 13:19
He was not Polish but Estonian or Latvian,cant remember his name,when the ship laid up for a time,he lived in a ruin on the dock side,never ever spent any money.

Name was Mick.
Mid seventies in Auckland, customs found all his pay offs unopened in his cabin. Stewart Carr, skipper opened a bank account for him. Never left the ship even when signed off. Don't know what happened to him.

Brian Brown
5th July 2013, 12:34
Worked on the engine of the Zealandic while she was building at Stephens. At the time I was an apprentice and was serving part of my time in the engine shop so was not involved with the ship.
I certainly never heard of anyone being killed during the construction.

Don

Hi Don
2nd Eng Zealandic between May and August 1972.
Nice to hear from someone who worked on the main donk. Is there anyone else who would like to share their engineering experience(s) from the often maligned vessel. As with most ships the crew in it's entirety make the ship and I was very fortunate in this regard.
I can concur with those who remember the deep-sea antics of this otherwise comfortable ship; then there were those "memorable moments" such as changing the rotary exhaust valve oil seals at sea between Capetown and Freo...yes you guessed it, HOT and rolling like the proverbial...
Take care and regards
Joe

Brian Brown
5th July 2013, 12:52
Hi Brian,
Thanks for your message. Jim Mason was the 2Eng for every voyage on Zealandic except the last one, Lou May was the Chief. I Can remember most of chaps I sailed with and have photos of some of them as well as the ship and shall try to post them.
All the best for now and hope to be in touch in the future. Bill Morrison

Hi Bill
Great to get your note thanks...
As I am seeing Jimmy Mason in the UK later in the year I would be obliged if you could send me a list of those engineers plus any photographs. Not that he appears to have any IT leanings; i.e., he is not into SN; however, Jimmy would, I'm sure, be delighted if I was to show up with this blast from the past.
Regards
Brian (Joe) Brown

Brian Brown
5th July 2013, 13:11
Worked on the engine of the Zealandic while she was building at Stephens. At the time I was an apprentice and was serving part of my time in the engine shop so was not involved with the ship.
I certainly never heard of anyone being killed during the construction.

Don
Hi Don
2nd Engineer MV Zealandic mid 1972
Great to hear from someone who worked on the main donk all be it prior to acceptance.
Are there any other engineers who would like to share their (engineering) experiences aboard this often maligned vessel.
If there was an Achilles Heel on the main donk it was the exhaust valve LO seals....If they are going to play up it will invariably happen in the tropics...light ship rolling like the proverbial...
Anyone had the pleasure?
Brian (Joe) Brown

Noel Martin
6th July 2013, 06:23
To all those Shaw Savill engineers (hello there) I was First Leckie in 1967 We had just done a loading run of apples so we went a few ports that SSL didnt go to (Hobart Albany Bunbury) last port of call Freemantle. In front of us were a Port line ship & the Scottish Star all doing this apple run but they being ahead of us. Those two ships left thursday & friday but we were told to wait until saturday morning the told to bunker with as much as we could take that day. We cleared out from Freemantle 6.00PM Saturday night night for Liverpool via the Cape of Good hope. We made it to Las Palmas to rebunker 27days later then 3 to 4 days to Liverpool . But thank christ for that The Port Line ship & the Scottish Star were locked in the Suez Canal for about Six years. How lucky we were!!!! I knew John Gormley and Met up with him in Timaru about 1973/74 he was on the Megantic. Im now 74 and comming from NZ I still live here in Christchurch in a house that has no damage from our earthquakes. Regards to all Noel Martin(Whaaa)

Brian Brown
6th July 2013, 13:06
To all those Shaw Savill engineers (hello there) I was First Leckie in 1967 We had just done a loading run of apples so we went a few ports that SSL didnt go to (Hobart Albany Bunbury) last port of call Freemantle. In front of us were a Port line ship & the Scottish Star all doing this apple run but they being ahead of us. Those two ships left thursday & friday but we were told to wait until saturday morning the told to bunker with as much as we could take that day. We cleared out from Freemantle 6.00PM Saturday night night for Liverpool via the Cape of Good hope. We made it to Las Palmas to rebunker 27days later then 3 to 4 days to Liverpool . But thank christ for that The Port Line ship & the Scottish Star were locked in the Suez Canal for about Six years. How lucky we were!!!! I knew John Gormley and Met up with him in Timaru about 1973/74 he was on the Megantic. Im now 74 and comming from NZ I still live here in Christchurch in a house that has no damage from our earthquakes. Regards to all Noel Martin(Whaaa)

Hi Noel
A great 'pick-up' and thanks to SN we can relive these times alongside those who lived and breathed the highs and lows of a never to be repeated era.
Living in NZ will you be attending the SS&A reunion in Hamilton next April?
My wife and I are hoping to make the trip across the ditch for that occasion.
Take care and regards to you and yours
Brian (Joe) Brown

Noel Martin
7th July 2013, 05:52
Hi Brian, Noel Martin again, was the "Zealandic " S/Screw Sulzer RD76 engine? To Bill Richardson & Bob Lewis London docks Electrical Inspectors I used to call myself a "Motor Leckie " I have always been interested in Diesels. And involved with Wartsilla who purchased Sulzer some years back. (Share holder) What got me interested more so lately 20 years ago was the "Graf Spee"
'I read a story about her and decided to find out a bore & stroke size of her 8 X 9 cylinder double acting 2 stroke engines and using the only formula I knew (imperial units) I managed to come up with a mulitple of the bore & stroke and there it sat for a number of years until I got hold of a few page book on her which gave me the bore (420mm) & stroke (580mm)450 rpm Problem solved!!!. Worked here in NZ with ASEA now ABB and Now they make most of the drives on Cruise ships (Azipods) with Wartsila Medium speed diesels for generation (11,000 volts AC) Hope this thread interests you Brian . Kind regards Noel Martin

Brian Brown
7th July 2013, 12:20
Hi Brian, Noel Martin again, was the "Zealandic " S/Screw Sulzer RD76 engine? To Bill Richardson & Bob Lewis London docks Electrical Inspectors I used to call myself a "Motor Leckie " I have always been interested in Diesels. And involved with Wartsilla who purchased Sulzer some years back. (Share holder) What got me interested more so lately 20 years ago was the "Graf Spee"
'I read a story about her and decided to find out a bore & stroke size of her 8 X 9 cylinder double acting 2 stroke engines and using the only formula I knew (imperial units) I managed to come up with a mulitple of the bore & stroke and there it sat for a number of years until I got hold of a few page book on her which gave me the bore (420mm) & stroke (580mm)450 rpm Problem solved!!!. Worked here in NZ with ASEA now ABB and Now they make most of the drives on Cruise ships (Azipods) with Wartsila Medium speed diesels for generation (11,000 volts AC) Hope this thread interests you Brian . Kind regards Noel Martin

Hi Noel
Your info re Zealandic engine type is correct...
Interesting info re Graf Spee
Being a Shaw Savill Engineer...well ok, almost ho ho, and living in NZ are you in the Shaw Savill Society...the NZ branch are holding their reunion in Hamilton April next year
Take care and regards to you and yours
Brian (Joe) Brown

brandane
15th July 2013, 13:56
Hi Brian ~ I can confirm that Noel is not member of the Shaw Savill Society in NZ ~ but new members ~ always welcome ~ and hope we can attract few new members at our Hamilton Reunion. I enjoy reading all the 'nostalgia' about Shaw Savill days even though I am not engineer ~ but can relate to the good days we served with the Company.
Most of our members are engineers ~ and they always support our gatherings ~ just hope few more of you will be enticed to join ~ its only 20 bucks a year ~ the cost of 2-3 beers ~ c'mon guys ~ we have a weekend of sheer "live" nostalgia at our gatherings.
Anyone interested ~ please contact me at brandane69@yahoo.co.uk
Cheers Jamie
Shaw Savill Society
Membership Secretary
NZ Branch

holmsey
5th August 2013, 19:39
Geeetings
Like myself, my brother Bill Holmes sailed as an engineer with Shaw Savill. Bill sailed on the Zealandic during her 'K' line charter during the late 60's, and recounted many memories of the trips. Unfortunately Bill has recently suffered a mild stroke and some of those memoriies have gone. Does anyone on the forum remember Bill and if so do they have any memories of those times or perhaps even some photographs which may help to jog his own memories back.
Regards
Jim Holmes (ex SSA engineer)

Bill Morrison
5th August 2013, 21:37
Hello Jim,
I am sorry to hear of your brother Bill's illness, as we sailed on a few voyages on the "Old Zealandic" along with Big Austin Hourston and John Bradshaw (Muttonbird).
Bill, your mum and dad stayed with me before they caught the ferry to Orkney for Big Austin's wedding in 1970.
I am still in contact with John Bradshaw in NZ, the last time I saw Big Austin he was the Chief Engineer at the Lerwick Power Station about 1978.
Well Jim I hope this will help with Bill's memories. I will try to get back to you with a few good and not so good yarns if I can remember which voyages Bill and I were on.
All the best for now and give Bill my kind regards.

Bill Morrison 4th Eng. Zealandic