QM2 in Long Beach today.

23rd February 2006, 00:59
Just a note to let all know that QM2 entered port at Long Beach, Ca around noon Pacific Time today, Feb 23. I got a call from a nephew who is serving in the Coast Guard there and his vessel was one of those assigned to escort her in. The most riveting issue about this, at least to me, is that she passed within about 200 yards of her namesake............."THE" Queen Mary who is, as we all know imprisoned in stinking California waters. SHE'S AN ATLANTIC SHIP AND SHOULD BE IN SAME!
Anyway, I may have pictures of this passing encounter by this weekend and you know where they'll show up............right here on SN.

Apparently she she sailed around the Channel Islands during the night and made her formal entrance into Long Beach Harbor today.

23rd February 2006, 01:31
Thanks for that info, look forward to seeing the pictire of the two close together

23rd February 2006, 21:29
Queen Mary Ships Meet in Long Beach
By Deborah Schoch
Times Staff Writer

12:04 PM PST, February 23, 2006

Traffic jammed the approaches to the Long Beach waterfront this morning and hundreds of residents walked to beaches and flocked to parks to witness the historic first meeting of two of the world's great ocean liners.

The Queen Mary 2 entered San Pedro Bay on schedule, headed for an early afternoon rendezvous with its venerable sister, the Queen Mary, permanently docked in the harbor facing the Long Beach skyline.

Sightseers crowded on the palisades in Bluff Park and Bixby Park overlooking the harbor. Blimps and news helicopters buzzed overhead. Traffic slowed to a crawl along Ocean Boulevard, and crammed to a halt on the approaches to the Queen Mary's berth. Small pleasure craft flooded the harbor.

On one street near the beach, a dozen children from a preschool headed for a vantage point, each wearing glittering colored crows.

The atmosphere was festive, with clear skies and swaying palm trees.

The big event was planned to be a mutual salute from the two Queens, as captains sounded horns together.

The anticipation for the event was palpable, among those who have seen the older Queen and some who actually sailed her.

Betty Gray still has the old steamer trunk with its faded "Cunard" sticker that she took on board the Queen Mary in 1956. Somewhere, she still has the $315 bill for that six-day, one-way trip from Southampton to New York. She says she can remember as if it were last night, dancing the foxtrot with her husband to big band music in the ship salon.

Onboard the old ship, which is now a hotel and museum in Long Beach Harbor, Lovetta Kramer, its unofficial historian, has been rummaging through dusty file cabinets for bygone first-class menus listing such entrees as fried calf brains, and for faded photographs of Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy relaxing in deck chairs.

Today, at San Pedro Bay, Gray and Kramer will join other former Queen Mary passengers and fans to witness the 70-year-old ship they love as it meets its namesake, the sleek Queen Mary 2. At noon, the two Cunard ships are expected to salute each other with booming horns.

Thousands of people came out to view the massive 2-year-old Queen Mary 2, or QM2, after it arrived in Los Angeles on Wednesday for its first West Coast stop. "This makes the [old] Queen Mary look like a peanut," said Dell Potenza, 58, of Huntington Beach, who inspected the ship from a distance Wednesday afternoon.

The ship is so big that it had to back into its terminal because it could not fit under the Vincent Thomas Bridge. It spent the day docked double-wide, in Berths 91 and 92, and attracting so much attention that it caused traffic jams both on and around the bridge all day.

But it is today's meeting of the two Queen Marys that ocean liner aficionados have been waiting for.

Some dismiss the event as blatant commercialism, benefiting Cunard and the financially beleaguered old Queen Mary in Long Beach. But boat lovers see it as historically significant.

The old ship was among the grandest of its time; the new ship, loaded with every lavish modern amenity, is the world's largest and most expensive ocean liner.

The meeting brings into sharp relief the contrast between two eras: the heady years of the last century when opulent ocean liners ruled the Atlantic, and the efficient and plugged-in early 21st century, when hardly any American takes a ship to Europe, but quick cruises to the Caribbean or Mexico are popular.

Passengers aboard the first Queen viewed the ocean from windows and cabin portholes -- if they were lucky enough to have cabins that had windows -- or from the decks outside.

Most of those aboard the QM2 can relax outdoors in private, on the balconies connected to 80% of the staterooms and cabins. The balconies give the boat, viewed from the side, a little of the look of a massive waterfront hotel or condominium complex.

On the first Queen, passengers could send radiograms ashore in emergencies but remained for days on end largely isolated from the rest of the world. The ship published a daily newspaper to keep passengers vaguely abreast of world affairs. But the new ship offers constant updates from such cable news stations as CNN, viewable on the televisions in every cabin.

Those on the QM2 receive temporary ship e-mail addresses and can surf the Internet in their cabins, at 13 WiFi hotspots scattered around the boat and in an Internet cafe called ConneXions. Anyone can reach them any time, even their faraway bosses at work onshore.

"For goodness sake. That's sad," Gray said.

Passengers on the old Queen Mary kept in shape with frequent "constitutionals" on the wide teak decks, where they could inspect and greet fellow passengers and breathe in the sea air. The bathtubs on the old boat came with four spigots: fresh and salt water, hot and cold.

QM2 passengers enjoy ultramodern gyms and a Canyon Ranch spa, as well as countless opportunities to relax in style in such venues as a wine bar, a champagne bar and a casino. They can even go shopping in an onboard Hermes boutique.

But even with its 21st century trappings, the QM2 takes pride in its old-world stylishness. On Wednesday, a string quartet played Handel's "Water Music" as passengers came aboard. The inside also retains some of the aura of an old-time liner, with thick red carpeting, chandeliers, sweeping staircases and Art Deco metalwork.

And for all its high-tech extras, the new ship cruises at 28.5 knots, exactly the same speed of the old ship in the days when it used to steam across the Atlantic.

The meeting of the two Queens seems out of character for Los Angeles, where most residents have never seen the city's port, much less set sail from it on an ocean voyage. New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg welcomed the QM2 when it first docked there in April 2004; Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa had no plans to greet it in Los Angeles.

Circumstance brought the two proud British-built Queens together at a sun-struck Pacific port complex best known for its container ships, Mexico-bound cruise ships and ferries to Catalina.

The city of Long Beach purchased the old Queen Mary in 1967. It's been in Long Beach ever since. The QM2, making its Los Angeles debut at the end of a South American cruise from New York, leaves today for a short cruise to Mexico, followed by an 11-day hop over to Hawaii.

Both ships face significant challenges.

The old Queen Mary is in financial straits, its operating company owned by a business that filed for bankruptcy last March and owes the city millions in back rent. The hotel and museum remain open as usual, but no one can predict who will run the ship -- or even if it can keep operating at all.

The QM2 is now part of Carnival Cruise Lines, which bought the Cunard Line in 1998 in a union akin to Ford buying Jaguar. It's one of only two ships still operated by the Cunard subsidiary, and it's the only ocean liner still doing trans-Atlantic trips, down from 12 liners in 1957, when four or five boats sailed out of New York alone each week.

The QM2's voyage to Los Angeles was marred by propeller damage that forced the cancellation of several stops, leading to angry passengers' demands for refunds and a rush of news stories describing a "mutiny" aboard. Some ship loyalists blame the brouhaha on the Internet. Similar problems are not uncommon on the high seas, they say, but the well-connected QM2 passengers could e-mail home to complain.

Old-time ocean liner passengers say canceled stops are nothing compared with the old Queen Mary's bumpy past. Built without modern stabilizers, it became known as a "holy roller" because of its sometimes violent rolling and pitching in stormy seas.

Gray remembers how the Queen Mary's crew maintained its calm demeanor even when the ship encountered a hurricane one day before arriving in New York.

She and her husband found the dining room three-quarters empty that day. But the waiters flipped up little sidebars built onto their table to prevent dishes from sliding. One waiter even poured a pitcher of water right on the white damask tablecloth to try to keep the dishes in place.

The practice of dousing tablecloths, experts say, has been discontinued.

Bruce Vancil, 48, of Mission Viejo is the local chapter president of the Steamship Historical Society and can recite from memory the owners of many old ocean liners, the ports they sailed to, even when they were sent to the scrap yards. Still, for all his nostalgia, Vancil, who is scheduled to leave for Mexico on the QM2 today, welcomes its modern touches.

The casual-dress cafe with its big Vegas-style buffet "is required by modern customers," he said.

"People don't want to dress up, they don't want to wait for service, they just want to grab a sandwich and just go."

Internet access is required by today's travelers, who insist on "connectivity," he said.

And the balconies? Everyone wants them. They want the privacy to relax in a bathrobe, sipping wine with a "significant other," he said.

"These are just pressures of the modern marketplace," he said.

For some boat lovers like Vancil, the old and new ships remain ever connected. No one feels this more than Commodore Ronald W. Warwick, captain of the QM2.

It seems fitting that Warwick's father, Commodore W.E. Warwick, was captain of the old Queen Mary, and that both father and son at different times commanded the Queen Elizabeth 2.

The small bridge of the old ship featured polished brass telegraphs and steering wheel, Warwick said. The QM2 bridge that he commands today is all modern control systems, computer and radar displays.

"The only brass to be seen," Warwick said, "is a ship's bell that was once in the engine room of the old Queen Elizabeth."

Warwick has visited the Queen Mary in Long Beach several times and will return to stay next month; and his own son stayed there on his honeymoon.

"A few years ago, I was presented with a piece of old carpet from the Captains Cabin which my father would have walked over," Warwick wrote in a ship-to-shore e-mail Tuesday as the boat plowed through the waves up the coast of Mexico. "The carpet is framed and hangs in my cabin here on the QM2."

23rd February 2006, 23:30
"Circumstance brought the two proud British-built Queens together"

Somebody better point that out to whichever British yard is supposed to have built it....


Chief Engineer's Daughter
23rd February 2006, 23:42
"Circumstance brought the two proud British-built Queens together"

Somebody better point that out to whichever British yard is supposed to have built it....


You spotted that to! (Cloud)

John Rogers
23rd February 2006, 23:43
I was about to add my two cents worth about British built,I thought the new lady was built in France.

24th February 2006, 01:31
Admittedly I didn't edit the article before I posted it but this is a prime example of a reporter not knowing what the hell they are talking about. The sad truth is that many people believe what they read or hear from the media as gospel truth when indeed it is to be taken with a jaundiced view. Personnaly I think we should all inundate the LA Times with email venting our scathing resentment of their nonprofessionalism and misrepresentation as it pertains to this event. I mean, hell...........it's not everyday that these two ships will meet. They've had MONTHS to get their story and facts straight. All in favor..........please say AYE!

John Rogers
24th February 2006, 02:42
Aye, you have my vote,whats the email address of the local rag.

Chief Engineer's Daughter
24th February 2006, 04:35
Aye. Am fed up with jurnos and inaccurate information. (Cloud)

24th February 2006, 05:50
Aye. Am fed up with jurnos and inaccurate information. (Cloud)

Aye, I'll second that. (Thumb)

24th February 2006, 05:55
Aye. Am fed up with jurnos and inaccurate information. (Cloud)
Will third that. When is the Queen Victoria going to be ready (Thumb)

marty 552
24th February 2006, 09:48
(*)) Aye. But Who Did Build The Queen Mary ? Surely A Great Ship Of Her Kind Would Have To Be Built In The U......!!!!!

Paul UK
24th February 2006, 14:19
Queen Victoria will be out December 2007 Maiden is a trip round the Northern Capitals of Europe for Xmas.

Paul (Thumb)

Peter Fielding
24th February 2006, 14:35
I thoroughly agree with the comments on the gaffe about where the vessel was built, but what about the references to "boats"????? Hell's Bells!!!

24th February 2006, 22:42
The qm2 was definately built in france i beleave in france.

24th February 2006, 23:15
Yup, France it is - to be precise, Chantiers de líAtlantique


25th February 2006, 00:08
Aye. Am fed up with jurnos and inaccurate information. (Cloud)

CED, and anyone else who's interested, read the following letter titled "Have we moved" on this link.


Don't know where the original article came from but it looks to be good reading!!! LOL

25th February 2006, 01:15
CED, and anyone else who's interested, read the following letter titled "Have we moved" on this link.


Don't know where the original article came from but it looks to be good reading!!! LOL

Is it true that at last years shetland sheepdog trials three dogs were found guilty?? ... LOL

25th February 2006, 02:15
No, that only happens in the Welsh trials!

25th February 2006, 11:29
Viewed the QE2 alongside at Fremantle, W.A. Yesterday, she is absolutely beautiful, the photos I took donít do her justice.


27th February 2006, 12:16
Have a look at:


Some good shots of QM and QM2 together.


1st March 2006, 17:00
In all the understandable furore about the accuracy of the press, we seem to have overlooked what I hope is a typo.

Apparently, 'a dozen children from a preschool headed for a vantage point, each wearing glittering colored crows.'

Is their spelling as inaccurate as their info? Or do we call in the RSPB?

Andy G (*))

4th June 2006, 20:29
Have a look at:


Some good shots of QM and QM2 together.


Great pictures but look how No.s 3 & 8 show up the differing funnel colours.

My own company also seems to have gone for a bog standard pillar box red rather than the original more subtle MacBrayne funnel colour.

Ships Agent
4th June 2006, 20:50
then there is the original Queen Mary who sailed the clyde and surrounding waters for many a year and is now i believe a floating pub on the Thames just like other clyde steamers. I suppose thats better than being broken up :@

5th June 2006, 20:19
Ah chust the smertest wee shup in the tred an' better than all yon Cunard Queens pit together eh?