Elder Dempster surviving ships

Aristo
23rd February 2006, 13:10
Hi everyone. I am wondering if there are any of the older Elder Dempster ships still sailing. Are the five ships of the Sherbro class (built in 1973-79) still around? I read that Sekondi was damaged by the Tsunami effect at Colombo.

The 1968-built Speedway is also a possible survivor.

Can someone inform us on their fate?

eldersuk
23rd February 2006, 15:50
Latest info on surviving E.D. ships as follows:-

Sapele renamed Astra Sea, sailed Lisbon 10.11.05 for Leixoes

Sekondi renamed Jaami, 22.03.05 still in Colombo awaiting repairs following tsunami damage.

Speedway, renamed O'Shea Express, 13.12.05 Contstantza for Piraeus

This is what remains of a once proud shipping company.

Derek

Aristo
24th February 2006, 08:35
Thanks eldersuk. What about the rest of the Sherbro class (Songa, Sherbro, Sokoto) have they been scrapped?

eldersuk
24th February 2006, 15:30
'Shonga', 'Sherbro', 'Sokoto' and 'Sapele' all sold on for further trading - mid 1980's, present whereabouts unknown. 'Sokoto' had a spell on charter to Nigerian Green Lines as 'Bello Folawiyo' in 1983, returned to Elders 1984.
Thumbnail of 'Shonga'.

eldersuk
27th April 2006, 22:16
Update on remaining Ocean Group ships, dated 13.03.06

BARBER PERSEUS sold 1979 renamed TALABOT. Sd Long Beach 06.03.06 for
Manzanillo
BARBER PRIAM sold 1979 renamed CAPE HENRY U.S. Department of Transport

BARBER HECTOR sold 1984 renamed TAIKO. Arr Savannah 03.03.06

NESTOR sold 1977 renamed LNG PORT HARCOURT. Sd Montoir 25.01.06

MENESTHEUS sold 1977 renamed DELMAS SYCAMORE. Sd JawaharlalNehru
05.03.06 for Dubai
SAPELE sold 1979 renamed ASTRA SEA. Sd Leixoes 02.03.06 for Lobito

SEKONDI sold 1979 renamed JAAMI. Reported sold to Bangladesh breakers
22.03.05 following tsunami damage
SPEEDWAY sold 1970 renamed O'SHEA EXPRESS. Sd Annaba for Hamburg
passed W. Gibraltar
01.03.06

Allan James
1st May 2006, 18:34
If I recall correctly when i joined Ocean in 1975 the fleet was around 100 ships, this gradually dwindled to twenty or so when I completed my cadetship. And now the remains of this once proud fleet is 8, and the names of the five companies that made up Ocean have passed into history.

I wonder how proud the directors are of their good work!!!!!!!!!!

Just a thought isn't Ajax, the bulker built in 73 still extant?

Regards

Allan

eldersuk
3rd May 2006, 00:57
Allan,
As I understand, AJAX was sold to Russia, but I've no information on her present whereabouts.
As for the Ocean Directors, don't worry about them - their consciences will no doubt be clear.

Derek

eldersuk
17th May 2006, 00:54
Allan,
AJAX sold to Russia 1984 and renamed ALDER. Subsequently scrapped, date unknown.

Derek

railroadbill
30th April 2007, 19:06
I was Snr Electrician on board these two Bulk Carriers, the last remaining two of the Blue Funnel Line ships, when they were sold to Black Sea interests.
Anchises was handed over on 21/12/83 at drydock in Lisbon.
Ajax was handed over on 27/03/84 at drydock in Lisbon.
We drydocked each ship in the same dock which was the biggest in europe.
If you looked down from the statue of Christ (Christo Ris) the size of this drydock was unbelievable. We looked like a toy sharing the same dock as the Super Tanker ahead of us.
I still have a AH house flag from one of these bulkers. They were nice ships too, built methodically in Japan.
Ah well, all nostalgia now!(A)

ed glover
30th April 2007, 19:27
Sailed 61 to 66 on with this good company (elderdempsters) it is a shame to hear what has happend. Up untill today I would look out for the yellow funnel on the Detriot river just incase an Elderdempster ship would show up. I sailed on the Dalla maiden voyage, Kindat (my first "K" boat and last), Pegu, and Sullima. Good times.
Ed Glover
Controlled drifting

purserjuk
22nd May 2007, 11:19
One ex-Elder Dempster ship still in existence as far as I know is "La Palma". Built in 1912 for Compania de Vapores Correos Interinsulares Canarios, which was as Elder Dempster company until taken over by Cia Trasmediterranea. The last I know of her is being restored in Teneriffe in 1991. They built them well in those days!

Aristo
9th June 2007, 09:48
'Shonga', 'Sherbro', 'Sokoto' and 'Sapele' all sold on for further trading - mid 1980's, present whereabouts unknown.

I just found some more info on their fate:

Sokoto wrecked under tow near Kalam India in 1998 as the Meng Kai.

Sherbro scrapped 1998 as Fong Dar.

Shonga scrapped 1997 as Excelsior Luck.

cacique
30th September 2007, 23:48
Bit late in the day, "Sokoto" was sold by Ocean Fleets to Vencaribe of Venezuela and renamed "General Urdaneta" trading the Caribbean and from Houston (North) to Buenos Aires (South) on the east coast of South America. Sold on for further trading, believe she became the "Ming Kai". Kind Regards. David Wilson (ex. Technical Super, Vencaribe).

Edd Root
23rd February 2008, 18:45
All these E.D. ships before my time, anybody know what happened to the Freetown or the Benin ( !950's )

Edd Root

purserjuk
24th February 2008, 11:09
Edd
"Freetown" (ex-"Greystoke Castle"), 1927/8944g. 19/8/1958 Sold for 42,500to Eissen und Metall K G, Leht, Hamburg for demolition.
"Benin" 1950/3130g. 1960. Sold for 80,000 to Constantine SS Line Ltd., Middlesborough. Renamed "Yorkwood". 1964. Ssold to Mediterranean & Baltic Shg Corp, Piraeus. Renamed "Noufaro". 1968. Sold to Agia Irene SS Corp, Piraeus. Renamed "Agia Irene". 23.7.1969 Foundered in Corunna Roads after developing leaks in heavy weather.
John

compass1
22nd July 2008, 21:41
I spent 6 months 3rd mate on Benin in 1958 on coal run Port Harcourt to Lagos. She used to flex quite noticeably in some sea conditions and the bulwarks used to crack and have to be frequently repaired. Little wonder she finally foundered at sea.

orcades
28th October 2008, 05:25
Does anyone remmber the T.S.S. Winnebar or Callabar bought by Elder Demster around 1956-7. I sailed as an engineer on Winnebar and would love to know what happened to her, all enquires have led nowhere, she seems to have dropped of the end of the earth,

purserjuk
28th October 2008, 12:25
"Calabar" arrived Inverkeithing 6 Jan 1963 for demolition by T W Ward Ltd.
"Winneba" Was sold to Jos de Sweat, Antwerp for 50,000 on 26 Jan 1963 for demolition.
I hope that answers your query.
John

orcades
30th October 2008, 01:51
"Calabar" arrived Inverkeithing 6 Jan 1963 for demolition by T W Ward Ltd.
"Winneba" Was sold to Jos de Sweat, Antwerp for 50,000 on 26 Jan 1963 for demolition.
I hope that answers your query.
John

Thankyou , yes it does answer my query, it never ceases to amaze me the wealth of information on our web-site, thankyou again.(Thumb)

Merseyboy
1st November 2008, 23:43
Can anyone please tell me what became of M.V.Spencer/cuthbert. and
M.V. Dryden.
Cheers.
Jim

Merseyboy
3rd November 2008, 01:26
please ignore above post from Merseyboy wrong shipping line:rolleyes: :confused: (Smoke) (Hippy)
Should have been Lamport and holt

averheijden
9th January 2009, 20:42
L.S
Who can help me on a picture from the "mv SHONGA" build in 1947?

And what were the particulars of that DOXFORD Engine, Type Power etc?

Thanks in advance
Alfons

eldersuk
9th January 2009, 23:40
Pic of Shonga loaded in the gallery.
Engine was 4 Cyl LBD (?) Doxford pictured here. Don't know the h.p. probably about 3700.

Derek

purserjuk
10th January 2009, 11:19
According to Lloyds Register "Shonga" h.p.was 3100 bhp
John

eldersuk
10th January 2009, 22:57
3100 probably right. I was only guessing - hopeless trying to remember after 40+ years!

Derek

sparky1
13th September 2009, 19:38
Can anyone please tell me what became of M.V.Spencer/cuthbert. and
M.V. Dryden.
Cheers.
Jim

I was sparky on Cuthbert dec 72 to Jan 74, google search will show cuthbert ''5/1996 lying abandoned near Saigon in a derelict state''
I never thought she would last that long - many great memories there

johnb42
13th September 2009, 20:26
Am I right in believing that back in the fifties and early sixties EDs, had coastal vessels on the West African coast referred to as the mosquito fleet?

eldersuk
14th September 2009, 01:16
EDs coastal vessels were usually known as the Branch Boats.

Derek

purserjuk
14th September 2009, 13:53
Am I right in thinking that the Esso(?) fleet on the Maracaibo Lakes in South America was the Mosquito fleet?

johnb42
14th September 2009, 14:27
EDs coastal vessels were usually known as the Branch Boats.

Derek

Thanks Derek,
I had a vague memory of them from my time with Paddy's. Do you know how many they had and when they were disposed of?
John

lakercapt
14th September 2009, 16:02
Palm line also had the small river boats working the creeks and rivers in Nigeria and the prospective masters were sent there to get some time in and acquiring local knowledge.

Ron Stringer
15th September 2009, 00:31
Am I right in believing that back in the fifties and early sixties EDs, had coastal vessels on the West African coast referred to as the mosquito fleet?

There was a fleet of small tankers operating in Venezuela with such a name. Have a look at this thread

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=2161&highlight=Mosquito

purserjuk
15th September 2009, 11:09
Thanks Derek,
I had a vague memory of them from my time with Paddy's. Do you know how many they had and when they were disposed of?
John

After WWII ED's had the following Branch Boats:
On the Port Harcourt to Takoradi coal service;
Knowlton (ex N H Botsford) Built 1922. In fleet 1946-1951. Scrapped.
Oxford (ex Glenorvie). Built 1923. In fleet 1946-1950. Scuttled.
Above were ex Great Lakes steamers.
Bida (ex John W Arey). Built 1942 In fleet 1951-1952.
Benue (ex Benjamin Tay) Built 1943. In fleet 1951-1952
These were WWII Standard "Jeeps".
Baro. Built 1950. In fleet 1950-1961.
Benin. Built 1950. In fleet 1950- 1960
All the above sold for further service.
Inter coastal services based at Lagos:
Forcados (ex Empire Pattern). Built 1945 In fleet 1946-1962
Sapele (ex Empire Pavilion). Built 1945. In fleet 1946-1962
Warri (ex Empire Pampas). Built 1945. In fleet 1946-1956
These were WWII standard "B" type coasters.
All sold for further service except Warri which was wrecked near Lagos 1956Prior to WWII ED's had many Branch Boats in service - too many to list here!

John

eldersuk
16th September 2009, 00:50
After WWII ED's had the following Branch Boats:
On the Port Harcourt to Takoradi coal service;
Knowlton (ex N H Botsford) Built 1922. In fleet 1946-1951. Scrapped.
Oxford (ex Glenorvie). Built 1923. In fleet 1946-1950. Scuttled.
Above were ex Great Lakes steamers.
Bida (ex John W Arey). Built 1942 In fleet 1951-1952.
Benue (ex Benjamin Tay) Built 1943. In fleet 1951-1952
These were WWII Standard "Jeeps".
Baro. Built 1950. In fleet 1950-1961.
Benin. Built 1950. In fleet 1950- 1960
All the above sold for further service.
Inter coastal services based at Lagos:
Forcados (ex Empire Pattern). Built 1945 In fleet 1946-1962
Sapele (ex Empire Pavilion). Built 1945. In fleet 1946-1962
Warri (ex Empire Pampas). Built 1945. In fleet 1946-1956
These were WWII standard "B" type coasters.
All sold for further service except Warri which was wrecked near Lagos 1956Prior to WWII ED's had many Branch Boats in service - too many to list here!

John

Well done John, I was just about to look them up - saved me a job!

Derek

wood butcher
7th November 2010, 21:05
I wonder if anybody can help in my search for a ship called the Prah,my late Brother sailed as Carpenter in her in the early 50s,i think she may have been one of Elders ships but am not sure.

purserjuk
8th November 2010, 15:35
s.s. "Prah" was 2nd ship of this name owned by ED's. Built 1944 by Wm Grey & Co Ltd., Hartlepool as Naval Auxiliary HMS "Holm Sound" (Yard No 1166). Recommissioned in 1949 and converted into a cargo ship. Purchased by Aviation & Shipping Co.Ltd (Purvis) and renamed "Avisbay". 1950 Bought by ED's and renamed "Prah". 1959 Sold to Atlanska Plovidva, Dubrovik and renamed "Naprijed". 1947 Sold to Splosna Plovba, Piran. Name unchanged. Broken up by Brodospas in May 1969.

As "Prah" her O.No. was 182971. 7339g 5278n. 447.9' x 56.2'x 26.9'. 3-cyl T/E steam engine by Duncan Stewart & Co Ltd., Glasgow.

wood butcher
8th November 2010, 23:14
Hello Purserjuk,thanks very much for the info on the Prah,just goes to show what a great site this is.cheers

eldersuk
9th November 2010, 01:03
wood butcher.
Picture of Prah loaded into cargo ships gallery.

Derek

wood butcher
9th November 2010, 16:09
Thanks Derek,I have been searching for this ship for quite some time,its nice to think that my Brother might have been aboard at that time,cheers.

The Loftsman
14th December 2010, 22:53
Hi all,
Ex Elder Dempster, "Speedway" renamed O'Shea Express is still going as far as i am aware.

purserjuk
15th December 2010, 11:40
"Menestheus"/"Apapa Palm" (1988) went for scrap at Alang, India as "King Spirit" in October 2010.

makko
15th December 2010, 13:33
"Menestheus"/"Apapa Palm" (1988) went for scrap at Alang, India as "King Spirit" in October 2010.

That would make her 33 years old! Not a bad innings. I worked and sailed on several of the M's. Great vessels, all over now.
Rgds.
Dave

Bosun ken
28th January 2012, 06:23
I watched the "Sinking of the "Mary Slessor.". in the night ,in the Straits of Gibraltar.
In 1943 She was carrying iron ore from Malilla. The Question I would like to
Ask , was she torpedoed ,or was she sunk by Limpet mines placed by Germam Frogmen. In Gibraltar.

woodend
28th January 2012, 08:12
According to the ELDER DEMPSTER FLEET HISTORY 1852 - 1985 she hit two mines virtually simultaneously that had been laid off Gibraltar by the U118 and sank within 15 minutes with the loss of 32 lives. The MARY SLESSOR was commanded by a Capt. C.H. Sweeny which must be Bert Sweeny who I sailed with way back in the 50's when I was Apprentice on the ACCRA I think and I did not know of this incident until now. Thanks for bringing that information to my attention.

Bosun ken
28th January 2012, 23:17
Hi Woodend, I am grateful to your reply ,thanks very much for your effort ,it was different to what I expected . First of all I must mention that the ship I was on at that time was the Cam ship "Empire Darwin" .We left Algiers for Gibraltar to load different types of cargo .On anchoring the legendary Commander Crabbe came on board and warned us of frogmen,so you can understand what we thought happened. After loading we again anchored in the bay awaiting a convoy . I remember well the time we left 5p.m. On a Sunday .At around 8 or 9 p.m. There was ,to myself ,several explosions and we were at action stations . After the sinking of the Mary Slessor we hung around ,helpless to do any thing ,It's vague I must have nodded off , When realized that we were all on our own ....no convoy to be seen , We were then told that we were on our way to meet a convoy ...not the convoy . Again I ask ,what happened.?

Rogerfrench
10th July 2012, 06:13
Reading John's post about the Branch Boats reminds me that in September 1961 I sailed as "Bosun" on the Sapele on a short trip, light ship, from Liverpool to Freetown. I was only on her for 2 weeks, then had 3 days ashore in Freetown, came home on the Apapa.
I was in fact a Cadet at that time, but with EDH, Lifeboat etc.
The Sapele ran for a short while from Freetown to Sherbro and other ports nearby, but it was a venture that didn't last long