H.O.U.L.D.E.R

tell
3rd March 2006, 02:36
does anyone remember the ships names the first letter of which spelled out HOULDER

Bruce Carson
3rd March 2006, 02:53
Howze about:
Hornby, Ovingdean, Urmston, Langton, Denton, Elstree and Royston Granges?

Bruce C.

non descript
3rd March 2006, 07:32
Well done Bruce, but there is still the "B.R.O.T.H.E.R.S.." to fill in as well.
(*))

ruud
3rd March 2006, 07:54
Ahoy,

And all "Grange" without the U as it was HOULDER BROTHERS


Beacon Grange, Rippingham Grange, Oswestry Grange, Thorpe Grange,Hardwicke Grange, Everton Grange, Rounton Grange, Sutherland Grange.

non descript
3rd March 2006, 08:19
Ruud, well done. (Applause)

Tonga

stan mayes
25th May 2007, 10:35
Houlder Brothers
The original ships with first letter spelling the name of the company were -at outbreak of WW2 -HARDWICKE OSWESTRY UPWEY LYNTON DUNSTER ELSTREE ROYSTON BEACON all were sunk except DUNSTER ..
The other Houlder ships in 1939 were MARQUESA BARONESA PRINCESA DUQUESA sunk CANONESA sunk CARONI RIVER sunk EL ARGENTINO sunk IMPERIAL TRANSPORT tanker

veste
25th May 2007, 20:58
Houlder Brs,
In 1899 the various single ship Companies were merged into the Houlder Line Ltd, and comprised the following vessels, Hornby Grange, Ovingdean Grange, Urmston Grange, Langton Grange, Denton Grange, Elstree Grange, Royston Grange, Beacon Grange, Rippingham Grange and Southern Cross.
The orginal practice by Mr Edwin Savory Houlder of naming the fleet so that the initial letters of the vessels spelt Houlder Brothers was maintained throughout Houlders history.
This information was taken from the book " One Hundred Years Of Houlders ".

Regards veste.

Trader
28th May 2007, 15:50
A very interesting thread, something I didn't know about. I often wondered how they got their names, there didn't seem to be any reason for them.
Furness Withy had a similar system with their Pacific boats. F.U.R.N.E.S.S. was spelled out as Pacific Fortune, Unity, Reliance, Northwest, Envoy, Stronghold, I don't remember the second S being used. Lovely ships sailing from my home port of Manchester to the West coast of the States and Canada via Glasgow.
Trader.

non descript
28th May 2007, 17:54
Whilst I am not a FW person, I would guess that the second S was Pacific Shipper. Mind you, I had no idea that FW had copied the original idea from the proper company. (Jester)

Graham P Powell
2nd June 2007, 21:17
I seem to remember Hardwicke, Oswestry, Upwey, Lynton, Denbigh(?)
E (Not sure) Royston

Jim S
2nd June 2007, 21:44
Whilst I am not a FW person, I would guess that the second S was Pacific Shipper. Mind you, I had no idea that FW had copied the original idea from the proper company. (Jester)

She was a far earlier ship of 1924 vintage - broken up 1950 and did not feature in the sequence of turbine steamers that started with Pacific Fortune in 1948 and ended with Pacific Stronghold in 1958.

Jim S

non descript
2nd June 2007, 21:47
She was a far earlier ship of 1924 vintage - broken up 1950 and did not feature in the sequence of turbine steamers that started with Pacific Fortune in 1948 and ended with Pacific Stronghold in 1958.

Jim S

Thanks for the Jim, I stand corrected.

non descript
2nd June 2007, 21:50
I seem to remember Hardwicke, Oswestry, Upwey, Lynton, Denbigh(?)
E (Not sure) Royston

A good list there Graham; Denby Grange is one and the only two "E's" were Elstree Grange and Everton Grange.

Bruce Carson
2nd June 2007, 22:32
One missing from the above lists, I think, is the 'Drayton Grange' of 6,684GT, built by Workman, Clark at Belfast in 1902.
She became the New Zealand Shipping Co's 'Tyrone' in 1912.

Bruce C

duquesa
2nd June 2007, 22:40
Nothing really to do with thread but the "Oldfield Grange" was one of the O's. My Father was 3/E on her in about 1917. He had a blazing row with the 2/E (bit of a stickler by all accounts) and eventually walked off. How glad I am that the 2/E was a disagreeable ******* as the ship was torpedoed on her next trip. Were it not for that argument, I would not be writing this as they were all lost. Swings and roundabouts!!!. I still have his old fashioned cap, Houlder's badge and discharge book.

non descript
2nd June 2007, 23:01
Every cloud has a silver lining... I see that she was attacked and sunk by U62 on 11 December 1917

duquesa
2nd June 2007, 23:14
Spot on. Very short service the poor old girl. I loved his stories of swinging gas lamps in the engine room. Capt.Dalziel was her Master.

non descript
3rd June 2007, 08:20
Oldfield Grange was built by Irvine's of West Hartlepool in 1913. When attacked by U62 she was in convoy on a voyage from New York to Cardiff via Halifax.

kdgiles
30th December 2012, 23:31
Or in my time (as Houlders disappeared into F.W., into C.Y.Tung)
Hornby, Oswestry, Upwey, Lynton, Dunster, Elstree & Ripon.