HMS Whimbrel

vchiu
30th April 2006, 03:52
I heard the Egyptian navy still has an ex-British black swan sloop which name was formerly HMS Whimbrel, if I spelled the name correctly.

I also heard some plans for preservation, as it seems she is out of commission and under threats to be broken-up

Could someone direct me to some good website covering the subject? I hope she can be preserved somehow. Hope this piece of British Legacy can be protected. Onece broken-up, it will never come back.

Thank you for your help

gdynia
30th April 2006, 03:57
I heard the Egyptian navy still has an ex-British black swan sloop which name was formerly HMS Whimbrel, if I spelled the name correctly.

I also heard some plans for preservation, as it seems she is out of commission and under threats to be broken-up

Could someone direct me to some good website covering the subject? I hope she can be preserved somehow. Hope this piece of British Legacy can be protected. Onece broken-up, it will never come back.

Thank you for your help

Vchiu
Try this website

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/whimbrel.html

Phill
30th April 2006, 17:26
The surrounding area as well as the Whimbrel is well worth a browse on google earth 3111'15.28"N 2951'20.38"E



It would be nice to see her back in Britain.

Rlangham
30th April 2006, 19:41
I believe there's also a WW2 destroyer (can't remember the name, begins with a Z I think) in Egypt that they want to bring back as well.

Phill
30th April 2006, 21:55
British Z Class built 1942 by Wm Denny & Bros,Dumbarton

Egypt has the EL FATEH, ex HMS Zenith, ex HMS Wessex,,,,,,,,,seems to be a similar subject to the Whimbrel, Dumbarton

some nice photos on this site

http://p214.ezboard.com/ftheflowerclasscorvetteforumsfrm21.showMessage?top icID=8.topic

vchiu
1st May 2006, 16:43
and amazing that some navies kept some ex RN ships for that a long time! This underlines the sturdiness of those ships.

I really hope the project of restoring the Whimbrel and the Destroyer will be a success. A war veteran should be regarded with the utmost respect.

There aren't WW2 French Navy units (sailing vessels excepted) that still exist today. The Maille Breze which was nicely preserved was built in 1957.

Our Richelieu Battleship was considered for preservation in the 1960's but it was considered too expensive :@ . A disgraceful feat for a ship that helped France save its honor.

SAS Amatola
6th April 2007, 20:15
Ark Royal should have been preserved as well.

robandbarbara
6th April 2007, 22:39
One of the two Z Class destroyers transferred to Egypt at Portsmouth in the late 1950s. Any idea which one ? - I have mislaid my notes regarding the subject of the photo. I think it is HMS Myngs which became the Al Quher, sunk by Israeli Air Force in 1970

SAS Amatola
7th April 2007, 16:07
Ark Royal the carrier scrapped 1980

vectiscol
7th April 2007, 21:28
There should be no need to preserve another World War II frigate or destroyer. My father was a plater at J.S. White's shipyard at Cowes, Isle of Wight, where HMS Myngs was converted upon transfer to the Egyptian Navy. I can remember about 1963-4 when the ex-Myngs and Zenith returned to Britain as "El Kaber" and "El Fateh" for full refits at J.S. White's.

There are already two of J.S. White's destroyers preserved - HMS Cavalier (built as yard no.1928 in 1944) and ORP Blyskawica (yard no.1801 delivered in December 1936). The latter achieved fame by helping to defend the town of Cowes against a fierce attack by the Luftwaffe in May 1942, and the ship is now beautifully maintained by the Polish Navy at Gdynia.

oglebilluk
11th April 2007, 10:04
I heard the Egyptian navy still has an ex-British black swan sloop which name was formerly HMS Whimbrel, if I spelled the name correctly.

I also heard some plans for preservation, as it seems she is out of commission and under threats to be broken-up

Could someone direct me to some good website covering the subject? I hope she can be preserved somehow. Hope this piece of British Legacy can be protected. Onece broken-up, it will never come back.

Thank you for your help
There is a web site belonging to the HMS Whimbrel project at :

http://www.hmswhimbrel.org/

Full details are shown there

Bill

NinaW
12th July 2007, 16:44
Hi, you heard correctly!

There is indeed a campaign underway by the HMS Whimbrel Project Team to save and restore this beautiful piece of British Naval and Wartime history - and not only that, but to return her to her former home in Liverpool, Merseyside by 2008.

However, they need to raise 2m to do this and are looking for as much help and support as possible from any and all interested parties.

You can find out more at www.hmswhimbrel.org

BrianP
20th September 2007, 19:01
On Look North West tonight, 20th.Sept, there was a piece about the project on raising 2M. This ship has strong links to the port of Liverpool, helping to escort convoys safely across the Atlantic, during the Second World War.
It may be possible to find out more from the BBC website under the North West region. It showed the ship as she is today in Egypt, almost the same as the day she left the Royal Navy.

Burned Toast
28th September 2007, 12:54
(H) I heard the Egyptian navy still has an ex-British black swan sloop which name was formerly HMS Whimbrel, if I spelled the name correctly.

I also heard some plans for preservation, as it seems she is out of commission and under threats to be broken-up

Could someone direct me to some good website covering the subject? I hope she can be preserved somehow. Hope this piece of British Legacy can be protected. Onece broken-up, it will never come back.

Thank you for your help

Hello

Bill Andersond ITF inspector have a project underway now to bring the vessel back to Liverpool when they raise enough finance. It will be part of the North Atlantic Convoy based in Liverpool, RMT branches are giving donations.

Ray

SAS Amatola
7th May 2008, 21:01
Latest news?

paullad1984
6th June 2008, 09:55
Anyone know how much they want for the destroyer?

SAS Amatola
6th June 2008, 20:03
yes, would also like to know.

paullad1984
6th June 2008, 20:08
also wonder how much it would cost to re-fit to sea going condition and steam her back to uk....

SAS Amatola
1st October 2008, 15:29
Doesn't look like the Whimbrel will be heading back to UK. Most likely be scrapped.

oglebilluk
2nd October 2008, 19:50
A recent press article stated that the asking price for the former HMS Whimbrel has been increased from 250,000 to 1million. It is unlikely that the project can proceed and a further opportunity for Liverpool (and the country) to reclaim a significant historic vessel has been lost due in part to delays

Old Albion
8th February 2010, 10:30
In addition to H.M.S Whimbrel there is a former River Class Frigate beached at the western end of Cherbourg Harbour as a French Navy training hulk. At least that was the case a couple of years ago. Launched as H.M.S. Windrush by Henry Robb of Leith in June 1943 she escorted Atlantic convoys until transfered to the Free French Navy as La Decouverte. She was later renamed Lucifer II. I have never heard of any attempt to save her, if indeed this is possible.

Steve Woodward
8th February 2010, 13:21
La Decouverte has a few websites with info but all in French - best one is HERE (http://www.netmarine.net/g/dossiers/cherbourg/lucifer.htm) but alas the interest is too late as THIS (http://www.connexions-normandie.com/mutations/lucifer-ii-diabolical-dismantling/1059) will confirm.
It would be nice for Whimbrel to come home, she would make a fitting memorial in Liverpool
Steve

Santos
15th February 2010, 21:27
From the Liverpool Daily Post today :-

Countess Mountbatten of Burma joins HMS Whimbrel campaign

THE daughter of one of Britain's most distinguished sailors has appealed directly to the President of Egypt to bring home to Liverpool the last Battle of the Atlantic warship.

Countess Mountbatten of Burma has asked President Mubarak for help after negotiations to buy HMS Whimbrel stalled.

She was alerted to the plight of Whimbrel by the Liverpool Daily Post's campaign to save this last survivor of Capt Johnny Walker's fabled second escort group.

Capt Walker's group, based at Gladstone and Canning Docks, was pivotal in overcoming the U-boat menace in the Battle of the Atlantic.

Whimbrel, now owned by the Egyptian Navy and called ENS Tariq, is laid-up at Alexandria Naval Dockyard.

The HMS Whimbrel Battle of the Atlantic Memorial Ship charity agreed to buy the sloop for 250,000 as the UK's only official memorial to the battle.

However, the new Egyptian Defence Minister, Field Marshal Tantawi, quadrupled the price, which was based on the warship's scrap value.

The UK Heritage Lottery Fund, upon which restoration depends, can refuse funding if there has been excessive payments.

Lady Mountbatten described the possible loss of Whimbrel because of this stalemate as 'appalling'.

Her late father, Lord Louis Mountbatten, former First Sea Lord, failed in 1966 to save HMS Starling, which was Capt Walker's flagship and HMS Whimbrel's sistership.
Lady Mountbatten, 85, said: 'I am very happy to do what I can for this campaign.
'The Battle of the Atlantic was of paramount importance to our final victory in the Second World War. Ships like HMS Whimbrel were vital to that success.

'If Whimbrel is broken up it will cause immense distress to the remaining sailors of that generation and we will lose a link with those who sacrificed so much for us.'
In her letter to President Mubarak, she wrote: 'As the daughter of Lord Mountbatten, nothing would give me greater happiness than to know this gallant little warship will return to her home port of Liverpool.'

She highlighted the 'long history of shared naval traditions' between Britain and Egypt and added: 'Every effort would be made to guarantee the memory of Egypt's courageous sailors and the sacrifice they made for Britain and the Allies will never be forgotten.'

Lady Mountbatten also wrote to the Egyptian Ambassador to Britain, His Excellency Hatem Seif El Nasr, explaining the problem and asking him to direct her letter to President Mubarak.

It is hoped HMS Whimbrel will be permanently berthed at Canning Dock.
Kathy Townsend, 87, of Burscough, who nursed Capt Walker at Seaforth Naval Hospital, during his final illness, in July 1944, is moved by Countess Mounbatten's support.

She said: 'I am delighted Countess Mountbatten is so actively supporting the Whimbrel campaign.'
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Lets hope Countess Mountbatten can pull it off -good luck to her.

Chris.

paullad1984
15th February 2010, 21:49
Excellent news, hopefully this will get things moving!

Duncan112
11th June 2011, 19:06
Any chance of a more realistic view on price being taken by the Egyptians post Arab Spring?

Jeff Taylor
11th June 2011, 21:47
yes, I suspect Mubarek has rather more pressing matters to deal with these days!

Scatari
8th July 2012, 20:43
Is anyone aware of the current status of negotiations regarding "Whimbrel?"

paullad1984
20th May 2013, 20:40
as of last year a new contact had been made who was more willing to negotiate/listen, but nothing since then.

Scatari
28th May 2013, 00:14
as of last year a new contact had been made who was more willing to negotiate/listen, but nothing since then.

Thanks Paul