Sinking of "Rocknes"

lakercapt
1st July 2006, 15:37
Don't know how many members managed to catch the show on the Discovery channel last night about the sinking of the Jebsens ship "Rocknes'
Was a great programme and it will be repeated so its worth the watching.
THe rescue of the three crewmen trapped inside the engine room of the upturned ship was a great triumph for the rescue teams.
The salvage was also intesesting but unfortunately they filmed the main person in charge on board a laker (Algobay) tied up in Toronto harbour.
The cause was a big surprise as a known charted rock was hit.
It's location was not sent out to mariners and the pilot was not aware of it and the ship contacted it punching a hole in the ballst tanks and flooding and the causing the cargo to shift.
The ship sank in a couple of minutes and there was a large loss of life.
Very sad.
Worked briefly for that company and found them great employers and they really took care of their crews.

Ivor Lloyd
1st July 2006, 20:27
I missed the programme but will certainly look out for the repeat.
I served as a Radio officer on one of their smaller vessels MV Vigsnes many years ago in the 1950's and as you say they were a good company to work for
Ivor Lloyd

theaskew
5th August 2006, 17:12
I was in Jebsens for 11 years.I first joined the MV ROCKNES
in October 1979 as Bosun i then did 2 trips on her from May 1982.
It was a good ship & great crew.I was upset when i read your post.
I missed the programme and i really hope its repeated.
artie

Hague
3rd March 2007, 17:27
I was in Jebsens for 11 years.I first joined the MV ROCKNES
in October 1979 as Bosun i then did 2 trips on her from May 1982.
It was a good ship & great crew.I was upset when i read your post.
I missed the programme and i really hope its repeated.
artie

Hello theaskew,
I believe their to be a little misunderstanding here. The 'Rocknes' I believe you were Bosun of was a 6000 tonne Single deck Bulk Carrier. Built Appledore, Devon 1975 and one of 4. The vessel was sold 1989 out of Jebsens but kept in their Pool. I believe there was a name change some time later.
The 'Rocknes' which capsized a couple of years ago was somewhat larger and a specialist ship employed in Rock laying and chartered to a Dutch firm. u'stand she has been rebuilt.
Brgds
Hague

lakercapt
3rd March 2007, 23:24
Yes this Rocknes was a self unloader.
The other "Rocknes" was indeed one of four, Rocknes, Ringnes Risnes and Rollnes.
Don't know whjo picked the names but they did tend to rock & roll!!!
Bill

theaskew
4th March 2007, 15:17
Hi Hague
Yes you were right.The Rockness i was on was one of
the four built in Appledore, Devon.I got confused with the
same name.Thanks for the Info,
Regards Artie

Hague
4th March 2007, 16:54
Hi Hague
Yes you were right.The Rockness i was on was one of
the four built in Appledore, Devon.I got confused with the
same name.Thanks for the Info,
Regards Artie
Hi theaskew,
Those Kvaerner Trans-Roto Hatch covers were a pain. Seem to remember using a 'Bull Wire' more often than not. Extremely powerful ships for size (5000hp Pielstick) recall achieving inxs 19kts on many occasion.
Brgds
Hague

Hague
4th March 2007, 16:56
Hi Hague
Yes you were right.The Rockness i was on was one of
the four built in Appledore, Devon.I got confused with the
same name.Thanks for the Info,
Regards Artie

Hi theaskew,
Those Kvaerner Trans-Roto Hatch covers were a pain. Seem to remember using a 'Bull Wire' more often than not. Extremely powerful ships for size (5000hp Pielstick) recall achieving inxs 19kts on many occasion.
Brgds
Hague

lakercapt
5th March 2007, 21:11
Departing Rouen one trip on Ringnes the pilot said full ahead and I pushed the controller to full.
As he watched the electron log readout increasing past the 18 knots he asked if that was full speed. NOT YET was my reply and then he said in a humble fashion 14 knots will be fine Captain.
We did not often run at full speed as the fuel consumption was too much but great on occassion to catch tides etc.

Hague
5th March 2007, 21:32
Departing Rouen one trip on Ringnes the pilot said full ahead and I pushed the controller to full.
As he watched the electron log readout increasing past the 18 knots he asked if that was full speed. NOT YET was my reply and then he said in a humble fashion 14 knots will be fine Captain.
We did not often run at full speed as the fuel consumption was too much but great on occassion to catch tides etc.

Lakercapt,
The Rocknes Class were fortunate in having an unusual bow construction as the misuse of the power in 'shifting ship' regularly caused damage in that area
Brgds
Hague

Coastie
5th March 2007, 21:54
Wasn't the one which capsized near Bregen called the Rock(s)ness?

Hague
5th March 2007, 22:23
Wasn't the one which capsized near Bregen called the Rock(s)ness?

Evening Coastie,
The vessel which capsized off Bergen was 'Rocknes' named just like her predecessor which was a 6000 tonne Single Decker built Appledore 1975.
Brgds
Hague

Pilot mac
6th March 2007, 14:37
They were quite powerful little ships but I dont quite understand 'misuse of the power in shifting ship regularly caused damage in that area'. These ships were prone to bow damage caused by the anchors not stowing firmly against the shell plating. The movement in the anchors would fracture the shell plating in way of the hawse pipe and subsequently result in a flooded forecastle.

regards
Dave.

lakercapt
6th March 2007, 15:10
Must say I did not notice any damage caused by that. We used to do much of our own ship handling as the response to any engine movement was quick and with that much power for size it could cause accidents.
The anchor stowage was like on all other ships if not brought right home and well secured for the voyage it could cause damage.
I enjoyed my time on those ships although they could be uncomfortable and winter in the North Atlantic could be a trying experiance.
North Norway in mid winter was grim too as it never got light andwas somewhat cooll!!!!
We had an engine overhaul in Rotterdam and when the time came to depart the drydock was pumped up (it was a floating dock. A tug was waiting outside to assist us in berthing to finish some hull work.
I had the crew cast off and intended to give the engine a kick to start us out.
Did a dead slow ahead and much to my horror it went to full ahead. we were certainly moving when I got the engine stopped and the tug lassoed us.
It was a bum puckering moment.
Seems that the Woodward governor had been removed for service and put on backwards and that caused the engine to race (my heart too) don't know if that was the true reason but that was what I was told!

Hague
6th March 2007, 19:43
Quite agree lakercapt, thanks
Hague

Pilot mac
6th March 2007, 21:23
They were interestingly designed ships with flaws, I enjoyed my time on them
but the forecastle problem was a constant pain as was the gun clean system.
Out of the four ships, I believe two were lost and the other two remain trading. I piloted the Rocknes a couple of years ago 'now named Wilson Mo' and for her age she was in extremely good condition. Not surprised to see gun clean system completely removed and new engine control system. When I worked these ships they had a complement of 17 they now have 10 or less.

regards
Dave

Hague
6th March 2007, 22:09
Bill / Dave,
Ingress into the foc'sle space was an ongoing problem. Caused in the main by the bulwark stiffeners and bracket connections iwo in store below.A similar problem existed in the TSTks which were remedied with insert iwo brkt connections. The real bad memories of those ships is the Dorman A/Es.
'Rollnes' was first to substitute a Cummins for No.3 A/E (aft most) in 'Rocknes' (Wilson Mo) did the same in '98. They were running with 12 in my time.
Brgds
Hague

JoK
6th March 2007, 22:16
I thought I had posted to this but see my post is now gone.

Just to repeat it, I did see the show and found it very interesting. Especially about the rock that one department knew about but didn't pass on and the dire consequences.

Pilot mac
6th March 2007, 23:38
Hague,
as you say ingress into the forecastle space was ongoing but generally OK if you caught it in time, I remember a particularly bad crossing from Sauda to Chicago on Rollnes where the forecastle space and its contents were completely destroyed . Never liked the pond, Jossingfjord to Dordrecht more my cup of tea!
Regards
Dave

Coastie
7th March 2007, 02:37
Evening Coastie,
The vessel which capsized off Bergen was 'Rocknes' named just like her predecessor which was a 6000 tonne Single Decker built Appledore 1975.
Brgds
Hague

Hague.

Yes, I realise my mistake now! I was reading about the incident last night and thought to myself Oops!!!

Hague
7th March 2007, 22:13
They were interestingly designed ships with flaws, I enjoyed my time on them
but the forecastle problem was a constant pain as was the gun clean system.
Out of the four ships, I believe two were lost and the other two remain trading. I piloted the Rocknes a couple of years ago 'now named Wilson Mo' and for her age she was in extremely good condition. Not surprised to see gun clean system completely removed and new engine control system. When I worked these ships they had a complement of 17 they now have 10 or less.

regards
Dave

Dave,
I am fairly sure all four 'R' class are still trading. The 'Ringnes' has a serious accident in 97 but was repaired.
Brgds
Hague

Pilot mac
11th March 2007, 10:51
Hague,
I was wrong. I checked with Lloyds and only one of the Appledore R class has gone, the ex 'Ringnes'. The only information was that she had been broken up.

regards
Dave

Hague
11th March 2007, 11:02
Hague,
I was wrong. I checked with Lloyds and only one of the Appledore R class has gone, the ex 'Ringnes'. The only information was that she had been broken up.

regards
Dave

Dave,
Go to 'Google' and type in 'Wilson Muuga'. An interesting article!!!!!!!!
Brgds
Hague

Pilot mac
11th March 2007, 11:48
Oh well, and then there were two! Interesting articles and great pictures.

Dave

lakercapt
19th March 2007, 20:52
Will try and post this photo/artist impression of one of the Appledor class "R' boats

Hague
20th March 2007, 21:06
Dave / Lakercaptain,

I have placed a Jebsen Marketing Postcard in the Gallery. This is the best I could find.
I'll dig deeper and will eventually find some old DD photos (always photographed the Mains and B/Ends for Insurance purposes) and there just might be one or two familiar faces you both might remember.
Brgds
Hague