Holmbury

loumorgan
20th August 2006, 16:32
I have a picture of 'Holmbury' which I will scan and post. I am looking for more information about this ship. My grandfather went to South America sometime between 1926 and 1938 and I'm wondering if it is likely that he was on this ship as i found the picture amongst old family photos.

R58484956
20th August 2006, 16:43
Welcome loumorgan to the site enjoy it and all it has to offer. As a matter of interest there was a second Holmbury built 1943 ex Empire ship.

non descript
20th August 2006, 18:07
Louise, the Holmbury was built in 1943 by Caledon S. B. & Engineering Co., Dundee. She was a standard Empire 'B' class (and not one of the Ocean Class ships built by Todd California Ship Building at Richmond, California that some sources claim) originally named Empire Canyon and acquired by Houlders in 1946. She remained in the fleet until 1960 when she was sold and re-named Ilyasbaksh and broken up in 1970. – On this is basis she unfortunately does not seem to fit into the date schedule for your grandfather’s travels. We will need to help you find the right one.
Kind regards
Mark

john shaw
20th August 2006, 19:18
Hi-- there is A "Holmbury" on photoships.co.uk-- whether this is the later "empire" class ship I could not say (but I think it carries the Houlder funnel), as I confess I am no expert on WW2 ships,but I guess it will be? There is info on rnsubmus.com relating to a book "U-Boat Captive" by JB Lawson which on p223 refers to the sinking of "Holmbury" in ww2 by U123 commanded by Horst von Schroeder-- thus, that MUST be the prewar ship to which you refer. There are 7 references to Holmbury in the convoy lists at warsailors.com.

I hope these give you a few "starters for ten" for research.Regards

non descript
20th August 2006, 19:48
John is absolutely correct, the vessel I referred to above was the second Holmbury and the first one was built in 1925 as the Wirral, 1934 she was purchased by Houlders from Wirral Transport Co. and renamed Holmbury then in 1943 she was torpedoed and sunk in Atlantic. This date fits with your photograph circa 1938.

I would say that your photograph is very likely to be the 1925 built ship and possibly photographed as the Wirral and there has been an element of re-touching of the picture (adding the red and also adding the name HOLMBURY in white, but the technical ability to also add the Maltese Cross on the funnel was not available.

loumorgan
20th August 2006, 20:42
Thank you very much for all that information. Is there any way that I can find out which routes the first Holmbury may have travelled pre war?
By the way the photo does look slightly touched up, like it has been coloured. It's quite a big photo, mounted, it looks like it used to be in a frame.

non descript
20th August 2006, 22:24
Louise, during the period you are looking at, Alexander Shipping Company Ltd., Owners of the Holmbury, were still independent (and remained so until 1946, when Houlders acquired full control) and were trading the ships in their own service, taking coal from South Wales to Argentina and then placing them in the hands of Houlder Brothers for loading homewards from the River Plate to the UK. Whilst it would seem very likely that the Holmbury was on that route, but I cannot be totally confident of that fact.

loumorgan
20th August 2006, 22:41
Thank you. That certainly fits. My grandfather would have left Cardiff for South America and he definitely mentioned Buenos Aires.
I'll try the Public Records Office next and see if I can find his records.
thanks
Louise

non descript
22nd August 2006, 21:45
Louise, please let me know how you get one. In case of need, I have tracked down an Alexander Shipping Mole who might possibly have some information on previous ships and their routes, but he has gone on his holidays and only back in 3 weeks.

loumorgan
22nd August 2006, 22:58
Thanks a lot for all your help and info. Hopefully I can get to the public records office in the next few weeks. My grandfather used to talk about his time in South america but of course I never asked him for details and it was only when I found the Holmbury picture that I started to wonder if that was his ship. I'm sure I remember once seeing a picture of him on a deck so I'll ask around the family and see if anyone has that picture.
Thanks again
Louise

non descript
30th December 2006, 17:02
Thanks to Duncan Montgomery we now have an image in the gallery of Holmbury (II)

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery//showphoto.php?photo=42287

non descript
18th June 2007, 16:46
A fresh image of Holmbury (II) has been added here (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/68111/limit/recent)

cardiff seadog
26th August 2008, 15:19
Hello

Whilst helping my grandfather find some old documents this morning, I found his old argentinian disambarkation papers. My grandfather joined the Holmbury in Barry (South Wales) in 1937. He went ashore in argentina on 17 April 1937. He told me that the Holmbury regularly travelled between south wales and south america

non descript
26th August 2008, 16:26
Hello

Whilst helping my grandfather find some old documents this morning, I found his old argentinian disambarkation papers. My grandfather joined the Holmbury in Barry (South Wales) in 1937. He went ashore in argentina on 17 April 1937. He told me that the Holmbury regularly travelled between south wales and south america

Welcome to the Site and enjoy what you find. Whilst I am sure you have worked it out, the Holmbury that your Grandfather was on, would have been the ship shown at # 5

wellsent
16th January 2014, 13:03
Hi
I have today found a photo of Holmbury which I will attach. My father in law Charles (Charlie) Wells would have been one of her officers sometime between 1950 and 1960.
Does anyone remember him??
Mary