The Troll Boats

douglasjamesmichael
20th August 2006, 21:19
Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....

roddy
20th August 2006, 22:30
No, but it would be most interesting to hear the story

muldonaich
21st August 2006, 06:49
sailed with captain thorpe on troll lake good old man regards kev.

Tom S
21st August 2006, 08:21
I relieved Capt Thorpe when he was Chief Off and sailed as Chief Off on the Troll Park in 1973 the trip when the centre beam for the car decks collapsed and killed the dockers in St Johns Newfoundland
Tom

John Cassels
21st August 2006, 08:54
Was 2nd. mate on the Trollpark 1970 , Malcolm Thorpe was mate for a while.

Also lost a couple of stevedores in these 8 months. The worst was during
discharge of liner in Hamburg. Young guy was leaning in between rolls to adjust
the head clamps when the crane driver started lifting. When the weight came on
the rolls came together and crushed his head.

Interesting ship !!!!!!!!!!!.

JC

Gulpers
21st August 2006, 12:20
Sailed on all Trolls except Troll Lake.
Never managed to kill anyone but bent a car or two!
Loved those ships. (Thumb)

John Cassels
21st August 2006, 13:20
DJM ;

Tell us the story about the missing Volvo which was not discharged.

Bet we are all dying to hear it.

JC

Gulpers
21st August 2006, 23:06
Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....
DJM,
Must have been Arctic Troll or Troll Park. Doesn't ring a bell though. As JC says, tell us more! (?HUH)

xdenholm
4th October 2006, 10:39
was on actric troll in 1979, did not take bunkers in rotterdam when we should hit a force 10 on way across, finallly got to st john canada, 6hrs fuel left close shave for the chief i think, never seen seas like these ,lost 900tons of good timber over side when ship rolled , wire ropes thick as your wrist snapped.just as well, troll ships looked good but were primative inside, anyone with similar experences? on these ships.

John Cassels
4th October 2006, 20:07
Couple of questions ;
Why was she carrying timber from Rotterdam to St.Johns. Normally it was
the other way around.
Was 2nd.mate on the Troll park 1971 and certainly do not remember that
they were "primative"inside (presume you are talking about the accommodation). She was certainly the only ship I ever sailed in where
the 2nd.mate had a seperate bedroom. The accommodation was superb
for the early '70's.

JC

Gulpers
4th October 2006, 21:50
Couple of questions ;
Why was she carrying timber from Rotterdam to St.Johns. Normally it was
the other way around.
Was 2nd.mate on the Troll park 1971 and certainly do not remember that
they were "primative"inside (presume you are talking about the accommodation). She was certainly the only ship I ever sailed in where the 2nd.mate had a seperate bedroom. The accommodation was superb for the early '70's.

JC

More importantly John, don't forget the fridge! (Thumb)

Orcadian
4th October 2006, 22:19
I sailed with Malcolm Thorpe on the Troll River after she was converted to a box boat. I am not sure if he knew where the bridge was as he didnt spend very much time on it. He had his wife with him that trip. John God Ridley joined in Dubai. What a pain in the butt he was. He thought if you had a shower more than once a week in the gulf there was something wrong with you. thats why we all stood down wind of him.

John Cassels
5th October 2006, 08:04
Jeez , you're right Ray, Also the first time I ever had a fridge as 2nd.Mate.

Note that we have still not got DJM's enthralling story about Malcolm
Thorpe and the extra Volvo.

I thought the Troll ships were great ships for their time. At least they had
hatch covers that worked !!.

JC

DCMARINE
5th October 2006, 10:47
Jeez , you're right Ray, Also the first time I ever had a fridge as 2nd.Mate.

Note that we have still not got DJM's enthralling story about Malcolm
Thorpe and the extra Volvo.

I thought the Troll ships were great ships for their time. At least they had
hatch covers that worked !!.

JC
Sailed on the River and Park and can't but agree John with all you say however the car decks were another matter with problems every time they were moved. The idea was excellent but in practice they were a pain.
Donald Campbell

xdenholm
5th October 2006, 10:47
yes jc the timber was on the way back good memory,suppose after being on eurofreighter and loch maree the actric troll was primative, though they looked good on the outside , but probably for her year it was good, though gtv,s were ahead of their time with there computer albeit the keyboard keys were like oxo cubes and the golfball printer. suppose it was a start , p&o s aurora has many computers and these days its an icon to open or close somthing or start or shutdown something.more IT specialists than navagation or engineering officers or should i say electotechnical officers, u were on the gtvs remember the micro wave with the plastic cards with the holes different colours for different minutes. yes star trek stuff as someone said.we use to get 15$ cold weather allowance on the troll for warm gear but everyone bought rum with it. great.!!

John Cassels
6th October 2006, 08:42
Note you loved working with the car decks as much as I did - they were
dangerous pieces of equipment. As you say , looked good on paper but
were a nightmare in practice. Was on the Trollpark when she was pretty
new and even then they were a disaster.

I was talking about the main deck hatch covers which worked every time.

We also used to carry our own Munck vacuum discharge gear which was
also an experience never to be forgotten.

JC

Tom S
6th October 2006, 08:55
John
You bring back memories of the mad Munck service engineer in Savannah and drums of hydraulic oil all over the main deck and of course the Hagglund cranes!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom

John Cassels
7th October 2006, 09:30
Yea Tom , memories indeed and Savannah was the port we used the Munck
gear. Remember we used to be given 1 day to get it all out of the foc'sle
hatch and rig it. Used to be "allowed" to use dock equipment which was a story
in itself. It was dangerous gear but if I remember well then you always had
a few moments warning before the vacuum failed and gravity took over.

Car decks were another story. Each and every car deck had it's own lifting
(opening) cable with coloured hard eye hung up in small hatches between
each hatch. Crane was hooked onto the wire of the deck you wanted to
open. If you hooked on the wrong one (happened to all of us in the dark)
then the end row of the vars below got creamed.
Closing (laying) was just as hairy. Crane hooked on to a couple if runners
via snatch blocks with the coloured wire round a friction drum to stop the
whole thing running away. All this before the days of good walkie-talkies.
We had to use nylon runners instead of wire and have many memories of these snatch blocks taking off like cannons . Survival instincts were honed
to perfection on these ships.
Great memories though - all part of our youth.

JC

Gulpers
7th October 2006, 11:19
In a kind of perverse way, I really enjoyed working the car decks. There was always a new challenge just round the corner. Everything JC has talked about is perfectly correct.
I went back to the ships, mainly Arctic Troll in the late 70's and by that time the decks were a nightmare - that sinking feeling as one of the stevedores comes down the main deck and asks you to have a look down number 2. First impression when looking over the coaming is that the top deck is empty and ready for pulling, only to be told that the for'd gang has hooked the wrong eye onto the crane. A quick dash into the tunnel and down the access to the hold finds the for'd starboard section partially pulled and a load of Porsches neatly compressed into the deck above - oh sh1t!

Everyone became quite adept with chain blocks and a gas axe (mates included) as blocks, wheels and ratchets all received "first aid" treatment. Does anyone remember Herman (the German) who used to bring his gang on board each trip in Bremen to carry out permanent car deck repairs? His squad was often still working on the car decks when we arrived in Emden to load VW's and Porsches! Herman's guys were almost considered as being permanent crew on the ships.

By the late 70's Arctic Troll was a guinea pig for the "Sealife Project" along with one of the ACT ships. They guy in charge of the project was, if my memory is correct, Malcolm Smith. The concept was that the ship became more responsible for its logistical support - without reference to Glasgow. We had permanent crew who worked the same leave as the officers and a lot of the traditional divisions on board ship were removed. The officers' smokeroom was open to everyone on board - as long as appropriate attire was worn and vice versa, the crew bar became a "working" bar!

Some of the happiest time I had at sea was on Arctic Troll - there was a tremendous camaraderie on board and none of the crew overstepped the mark or abused their new privileges. It became self-policing because the crowd knew they were on a winner and wouldn't step out of line to jeopardise their new working conditions.

On one trip, just before Christmas our PO, "Pedro" (BJ's brother, for those of you from the GTVs) injured his back when the B.O.T. gangway dropped on him at Sammy Williamson's, Dagenham. His replacement was from the Pool and a complete waste of space. He joined the ship in a boiler suit with his worldly possessions in two carrier bags (shades of Ralph McTell there). Anyway, we sailed from Dagenham for Rotterdam and when we went to stations for berthing in Rotterdam, "Matey" wasn't to be found. Once we were secure we found him still sitting in the crew's bar, cuddling his pint. As a result, the regular lads were concerned that he would lead to them having their tap stopped over Christmas and promised to sort him out.

When we sailed from Rotterdam in the early hours it was bitterly cold, ice on the decks and mooring lines solid - oh joy! "Matey" failed to put in an appearance again and once we had the tugs fast and had let go I sent someone to eject him from the bar. He arrived on the poop, all apologetic and claiming that he hadn't been called – yeah right! In an effort to impress and feel "part of the team" he grabbed the nearest line to him and started throwing turns off the bits! We immediately pounced on him because, what he had failed to notice was a tug on the other end of the line which was dragging us astern from our berth! "Matey" was returned to the crew bar to relax - we felt he could do less harm there!
The following day, we were just about to change pilots before passing Bremerhaven Container Terminal when "Matey" arrived on the bridge to take over the wheel. Pissed as a fart again! First helm order from the pilot was port twenty and "Matey" immediately applied starboard wheel. That was the end, I turfed him onto the bridge wing, put our cadet on the wheel and called the "Old Man".

Let's just say that "Matey" paid off the ship in Bremen, still in his boiler suit and carrying his carrier bags! We sailed short handed for the remainder of the trip but the crew were delighted to see the back of "Matey" and his threat to their Christmas celebrations.

Christmas celebrations on the way across the Atlantic were another story altogether. Fancy dress, Vikings, you name it! I won't describe it here because the “Old Man” is a member of SN!

gdynia
7th October 2006, 11:37
Ray
Did you sail with any of the Campble Bothers from Glasgow Jimmy and Tommy were on them as Engineers

Gulpers
7th October 2006, 11:48
No, sorry Neville - don't recognise those names. Maybe some of the other ex Denholm guys will be able to help you when they read this!

Gulpers
7th October 2006, 11:51
Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....

So what is the Malcolm Thorpe / Volvo story? (?HUH)

John Cassels
7th October 2006, 19:13
In a kind of perverse way, I really enjoyed working the car decks. There was always a new challenge just round the corner. Everything JC has talked about is perfectly correct.
I went back to the ships, mainly Arctic Troll in the late 70's and by that time the decks were a nightmare - that sinking feeling as one of the stevedores comes down the main deck and asks you to have a look down number 2. First impression when looking over the coaming is that the top deck is empty and ready for pulling, only to be told that the for'd gang has hooked the wrong eye onto the crane. A quick dash into the tunnel and down the access to the hold finds the for'd starboard section partially pulled and a load of Porsches neatly compressed into the deck above - oh sh1t!

Everyone became quite adept with chain blocks and a gas axe (mates included) as blocks, wheels and ratchets all received "first aid" treatment. Does anyone remember Herman (the German) who used to bring his gang on board each trip in Bremen to carry out permanent car deck repairs? His squad was often still working on the car decks when we arrived in Emden to load VW's and Porsches! Herman's guys were almost considered as being permanent crew on the ships.

By the late 70's Arctic Troll was a guinea pig for the "Sealife Project" along with one of the ACT ships. They guy in charge of the project was, if my memory is correct, Malcolm Smith. The concept was that the ship became more responsible for its logistical support - without reference to Glasgow. We had permanent crew who worked the same leave as the officers and a lot of the traditional divisions on board ship were removed. The officers' smokeroom was open to everyone on board - as long as appropriate attire was worn and vice versa, the crew bar became a "working" bar!

Some of the happiest time I had at sea was on Arctic Troll - there was a tremendous camaraderie on board and none of the crew overstepped the mark or abused their new privileges. It became self-policing because the crowd knew they were on a winner and wouldn't step out of line to jeopardise their new working conditions.

On one trip, just before Christmas our PO, "Pedro" (BJ's brother, for those of you from the GTVs) injured his back when the B.O.T. gangway dropped on him at Sammy Williamson's, Dagenham. His replacement was from the Pool and a complete waste of space. He joined the ship in a boiler suit with his worldly possessions in two carrier bags (shades of Ralph McTell there). Anyway, we sailed from Dagenham for Rotterdam and when we went to stations for berthing in Rotterdam, "Matey" wasn't to be found. Once we were secure we found him still sitting in the crew's bar, cuddling his pint. As a result, the regular lads were concerned that he would lead to them having their tap stopped over Christmas and promised to sort him out.

When we sailed from Rotterdam in the early hours it was bitterly cold, ice on the decks and mooring lines solid - oh joy! "Matey" failed to put in an appearance again and once we had the tugs fast and had let go I sent someone to eject him from the bar. He arrived on the poop, all apologetic and claiming that he hadn't been called – yeah right! In an effort to impress and feel "part of the team" he grabbed the nearest line to him and started throwing turns off the bits! We immediately pounced on him because, what he had failed to notice was a tug on the other end of the line which was dragging us astern from our berth! "Matey" was returned to the crew bar to relax - we felt he could do less harm there!
The following day, we were just about to change pilots before passing Bremerhaven Container Terminal when "Matey" arrived on the bridge to take over the wheel. Pissed as a fart again! First helm order from the pilot was port twenty and "Matey" immediately applied starboard wheel. That was the end, I turfed him onto the bridge wing, put our cadet on the wheel and called the "Old Man".

Let's just say that "Matey" paid off the ship in Bremen, still in his boiler suit and carrying his carrier bags! We sailed short handed for the remainder of the trip but the crew were delighted to see the back of "Matey" and his threat to their Christmas celebrations.

Christmas celebrations on the way across the Atlantic were another story altogether. Fancy dress, Vikings, you name it! I won't describe it here because the “Old Man” is a member of SN!


C'mon Ray , who is he.

JC

Gulpers
8th October 2006, 01:43
Clue - it was his first trip in Command! (?HUH)

John Cassels
9th October 2006, 08:06
Of course , silly of me Ray.

JC

xdenholm
9th October 2006, 18:57
anyone remember ch/eng jim"the doc" halliday , a workhorse of a engineer or aleck meikle as his 2/eng BACK IN 1980/81 think there was something 4on 2off at the time or evens if you were a capt or c/engr, i remember he got paid of sick somethink to do with big jims blood, not it wasnt blue,!!

xdenholm
5th January 2007, 18:49
Yes DJM, you are right there. I remember now, Ian was from Callander. At least I knew he wasn't English! (==D)
do you recognise that ship (Thumb)

I've moved this post to the Troll Boat thread. Seems to be more appropriate there! (Thumb) - Gulpers

Gulpers
6th January 2007, 12:13
do you recognise that ship (Thumb)

Aah! The good old Arctic Troll - happy days! (Applause)

Can't quite make the name out - maybe she's not Arctic Troll since I believe the River, Park and Lake dropped the Wilhelmsen funnel in favour of the Troll funnel towards the end of their time in Denholms. (?HUH)

I've moved this post to the Troll Boat thread. Seems to be more appropriate there. (Thumb) - Gulpers

xdenholm
6th January 2007, 18:03
Aah! The good old Arctic Troll - happy days! (Applause)

Can't quite make the name out - maybe she's not Arctic Troll since I believe the River, Park and Lake dropped the Wilhelmsen funnel in favour of the Troll funnel towards the end of their time in Denholms. (?HUH)

I've moved this post to the Troll Boat thread. Seems to be more appropriate there. (Thumb) - Gulpers

yes its the artic alright heres the park note the different funnel to .cheers, did you know the po by the name of ginger around 1980 stocky well built,(Thumb)

Gulpers
6th January 2007, 18:07
yes its the artic alright heres the park note the different funnel to .cheers, did you know the po by the name of ginger around 1980 stocky well built,(Thumb)

No, sorry - don't recognise a PO named Ginger.

The last Troll I sailed on was Arctic Troll in 1978. (Thumb)

Gulpers
6th January 2007, 18:48
Just had a thought. On Arctic Troll we had a young lad from Glasgow nicknamed "Ginger". He would have been about 20 years old in 1978. He was a real "grafter", excellent on the Hagglund Cranes and could well have been PO by 1980. (Thumb)

John Cassels
7th January 2007, 19:32
yes its the artic alright heres the park note the different funnel to .cheers, did you know the po by the name of ginger around 1980 stocky well built,(Thumb)

Yes , remember the guy. Name escapes me just now. Give me a couple of
days ..................

JC

Gulpers
7th January 2007, 19:43
John,

I'm thinking Michael Byrne - mean anything to you? (?HUH)

John Cassels
7th January 2007, 19:51
John,

I'm thinking Michael Byrne - mean anything to you? (?HUH)


No Ray , that wasn't him. I can see him in my mind's eye but the name
does not ( for the moment). Have a feeling I sailed with him when he was
CPO. Will not sleep tonite until I remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

JC

John Cassels
8th January 2007, 08:07
No Ray , that wasn't him. I can see him in my mind's eye but the name
does not ( for the moment). Have a feeling I sailed with him when he was
CPO. Will not sleep tonite until I remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

JC

First name was George !!!.

JC

Gulpers
8th January 2007, 10:21
First name was George !!!.

JC

Well done JC - at least you have had half a night's sleep.(Jester)

OK - "George" ....hmm. Time for me to put the 'thinking cap on now! (?HUH)

iain mac
8th January 2007, 14:58
michael byrne aka ginger,ended up marrying the landlady of the st. winifreds daughter.

muldonaich
8th January 2007, 15:23
michael byrne aka ginger,ended up marrying the landlady of the st. winifreds daughter.thats right george mcgreavy or gorgeous george as he was better known was no grafter kev.

xdenholm
8th January 2007, 18:05
No Ray , that wasn't him. I can see him in my mind's eye but the name
does not ( for the moment). Have a feeling I sailed with him when he was
CPO. Will not sleep tonite until I remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

JC jc and all please see pic of ginger, the story i got from a few onboard was that ginger lost his family in a house fire ,i mean his brothers and sisters and he was the only one left, he was a grafter, always went ashore himself and got pissed ,think he had a death wish or something, i remember stopping the cab in hamburg one shore leave and ginger was sitting in the gutter totally pissed we got him into the taxi and back to the ship, we all know about lifting a dead weight ,anyway when we got back to the ship i thought no way could we get him up that narrow gangway carrying him ,i said to him we are back ginger but your going to have to help us get you up the gangway, he picked himself up and walked up himself ,last i seen of him that night,and the ship was sailing,was out aft sleeping on a chair under the moonlight sky, totally oblivious to everything a good man none the less[=P]

Gulpers
9th January 2007, 07:42
jc and all please see pic of ginger, the story i got from a few onboard was that ginger lost his family in a house fire ,i mean his brothers and sisters and he was the only one left, he was a grafter, always went ashore himself and got pissed ,think he had a death wish or something, i remember stopping the cab in hamburg one shore leave and ginger was sitting in the gutter totally pissed we got him into the taxi and back to the ship, we all know about lifting a dead weight ,anyway when we got back to the ship i thought no way could we get him up that narrow gangway carrying him ,i said to him we are back ginger but your going to have to help us get you up the gangway, he picked himself up and walked up himself ,last i seen of him that night,and the ship was sailing,was out aft sleeping on a chair under the moonlight sky, totally oblivious to everything a good man none the less[=P]

Yes, I'm sure that photograph is Michael Byrne. The business about the fire fits with my recollection as well! (Thumb)

John Cassels
9th January 2007, 07:57
thats right george mcgreavy or gorgeous george as he was better known was no grafter kev.

That's the name I was trying to remember Kevin. It was indeed Goerge McGreavy.

JC

Gulpers
9th January 2007, 09:05
That's the name I was trying to remember Kevin. It was indeed Goerge McGreavy.

JC

Hey, you guys are good. George McGreavy! Yes that's another name from the past. (Applause)

Asialiner, Troll River or possibly Vancouver Forest, I think.
Probably Asialiner or Troll River because Bert Campbell (with his tattoos) was permanent CPO on Vancouver Forest. (Thumb)

Stephen J. Card
9th January 2007, 11:41
Hey, you guys are good. George McGreavy! Yes that's another name from the past. (Applause)

Asialiner, Troll River or possibly Vancouver Forest, I think.
Probably Asialiner or Troll River because Bert Campbell (with his tattoos) was permanent CPO on Vancouver Forest. (Thumb)



George was on the LOMOND and MAREE as well. The other Bosun that 'did time' on the reefers was Bob Campbell from Buckie.

Stephen

vicol
11th January 2007, 11:22
Hi All, came on this site by accident while searching for ships photos, I sailed with Denholms for a number of years as Ch.Stwd. Some of my ships were,
Troll Lake{maiden voyage] Essex Trader, Naess Pioneer, Naess Louisiona,Swiftness,Euroliner,Duncraig and Clarkeden among others. 16 yrs. with Denholms in all. Left the Industria in late 73 and came to Australia with my wife and two kids, been here ever since, now retired since 91 and do all my travelling on the computer. It's been great reminiscing while going through the postings, brought back a lot of great memories.. Have to spend more time on here
Cheers Vic.

Gulpers
11th January 2007, 13:02
Vic,

Welcome to SN and more specifically to the Denholm thread.
I think you will find that the site can become addictive!
However, join in when you can and we look forward to hearing from you again. (Thumb)

xdenholm
25th January 2007, 09:18
thats right george mcgreavy or gorgeous george as he was better known was no grafter kev.

i remember the darts nights on those ships, how was it the crew bar was always a better atmosphere than the officers bar, i mean the drink was more freely flowing and great patter, soon as you came into the crew bar the offers of drink were there , or thinking about it kev was that one of the crews tactics, cause they always beat us ,it seemed the more they drunk the better they got and the more we drunk the worst we got, but great times non the less(Thumb) p.s both the names byrne and mcgreavy are familar so what one is the pic(Jester) of ginger

muldonaich
25th January 2007, 16:39
i remember the darts nights on those ships, how was it the crew bar was always a better atmosphere than the officers bar, i mean the drink was more freely flowing and great patter, soon as you came into the crew bar the offers of drink were there , or thinking about it kev was that one of the crews tactics, cause they always beat us ,it seemed the more they drunk the better they got and the more we drunk the worst we got, but great times non the less(Thumb) p.s both the names byrne and mcgreavy are familar so what one is the pic(Jester) of gingerthe picture posted was mick byrne kev

Argyll
25th January 2007, 18:11
HI There muldonich,
I take it from your handle you are Barra connected,
I sail with a George Mc Greavy at present on the Hebridean Isles(Cal-Mac) I'Think he is ex Denholm as I am don't know if it is the same guy this one is about 5 ft. 6 stout and what hair left is ginger, he belongs Glasgow and as far as I know lives alone in the Sandyhills area.
Argyll

muldonaich
25th January 2007, 21:41
HI There muldonich,
I take it from your handle you are Barra connected,
I sail with a George Mc Greavy at present on the Hebridean Isles(Cal-Mac) I'Think he is ex Denholm as I am don't know if it is the same guy this one is about 5 ft. 6 stout and what hair left is ginger, he belongs Glasgow and as far as I know lives alone in the Sandyhills area.
Argyllhi yes barra connected that will be george im surprised hes any hair left he used to comb it that much i dont know where he lived he was a nice guyif i remember right his sister married one of the eco,s on the box boats but i could be wrong kev.

James MacDonald
26th January 2007, 09:34
I was on the Troll Park as GP1 from May 72 / Oct 72 .Hector MacDonald was Captain & Capt Tawse relieved him causing a mass exodus.

Tom S
26th January 2007, 10:59
I was Chief Off during that period I stayed until November that was my first ship in Denholms Correct me if I am wrong did you not used to wear a brown Boilersuit?
Tom S

Argyll
26th January 2007, 17:06
Hi Muldonich,
Im off at the moment and george is on I will be back on board in a couple of weeks I usually get a week with gearge I will sound him out.

muldonaich
26th January 2007, 18:09
Hi Muldonich,
Im off at the moment and george is on I will be back on board in a couple of weeks I usually get a week with gearge I will sound him out.ok i sailed with meikle and halliday good guys i dont care what anyone else thinks denholms had lot of the finest engineers you could sail with
if it is george give him my regards kev

James MacDonald
26th January 2007, 22:22
(Thumb) I was Chief Off during that period I stayed until November that was my first ship in Denholms Correct me if I am wrong did you not used to wear a brown Boilersuit?
Tom S
Hi Tom ,yes its getting a bit frayed now, Some names I can remember at that time.John McSween, John MacDonald (CPO I think), Jimmy Young ,McNulty stewards an irishman called Brown & a little guy from Sunderland. I joined in Bremen & left in Dagenham. At present Im captain of the Scot Venture , a 3300 Dwt timber carrier running between the Baltic & UK & Continent
Brgds Jim

xdenholm
27th January 2007, 07:11
ok i sailed with meikle and halliday good guys i dont care what anyone else thinks denholms had lot of the finest engineers you could sail with
if it is george give him my regards kev
yes aleck meikle and jim"the doc" halliday,what happened to them i wonder? kev

Tom S
27th January 2007, 10:55
Hi Jim
Like you the memory is a bit frayed but I do remember some of the names you mention . Do you remember John Mulgrew the Chief Steward he had a bit of a problem with the drink. Denholms sent him for treatment and I remember he got pills to help him stop drinking and when it came time to take them he used to wash them down with a can of beer. Interesting therapy. Then there was Jimmy Meikle the Chief Eng ex Anchor Line I liked him I always remember he to told me he bought shares in Tesco when thy first came on the market it made him a rich man. He used to go on his Holidays to america his Aunt had a mobile home in Florida.It was an interesting ship.
Glad to hear you have done so well best regards
Tom

muldonaich
27th January 2007, 17:15
Hi Jim
Like you the memory is a bit frayed but I do remember some of the names you mention . Do you remember John Mulgrew the Chief Steward he had a bit of a problem with the drink. Denholms sent him for treatment and I remember he got pills to help him stop drinking and when it came time to take them he used to wash them down with a can of beer. Interesting therapy. Then there was Jimmy Meikle the Chief Eng ex Anchor Line I liked him I always remember he to told me he bought shares in Tesco when thy first came on the market it made him a rich man. He used to go on his Holidays to america his Aunt had a mobile home in Florida.It was an interesting ship.
Glad to hear you have done so well best regards
Tomare you retired now tom i think i emailed you a couple of years ago i could be wrong though sailed with you on box boats alistair mac innes ex pilot was talking to me the other nite says he says he knows you regards kev.

Tom S
27th January 2007, 18:06
Yes Kev
Took early retirement about six months after Alec retired, if you see him give him my regards. It was most likely the box boats I sailed on all of them for quite a long time
Regards
Tom

muldonaich
27th January 2007, 18:56
Yes Kev
Took early retirement about six months after Alec retired, if you see him give him my regards. It was most likely the box boats I sailed on all of them for quite a long time
Regards
Tomi think alec said he retired as pilot but he will never retire i heard hes now talking about building another house regards kev.

Tom S
27th January 2007, 19:51
That sounds like Alec the property developer. He was one of the best pilots on the Forth and a gentleman Is he still driving around in his four by four
Tom

muldonaich
28th January 2007, 10:16
That sounds like Alec the property developer. He was one of the best pilots on the Forth and a gentleman Is he still driving around in his four by four
Tomyes tom still in his 4x4 he must have been a good pilot he got a write up in the paper about the qe2 i think .

xdenholm
29th January 2007, 09:52
anyone remember going up the river to baton rouge,yes it was mississippi mud indeed trying to remember if that was the berth that the tide was fierce and the engine room was on 1 hr notice case we lost hold on the jetty seems the crew were always moving ropes ,think all ropes backsprung,foresprung,breast etc were all out and gangways because of the tide i remember the berth was well exposed on the river if it was that river? anyone done that run on the trolls

douglasjamesmichael
5th February 2007, 21:53
The Volvo story................Troll Lake, we were on charter to Volvo, taking these masterpeices of Engineering to the USA. returning with Japanese vehicles to Pireaus......
Loaded a full cargo in Gothenburg...full range......first port Charleston, second port Miami.....this trip no return cargo, back to Sweden....I was up repairing one of the Hagglunds Cranes....burst hose......then saw one of the deck crowd running to the accomodation......shouted down where was the fire....
No fire.....only an undischarged Volvo....Emergency meeting.....No export licence from the States to allow us into Sweden....the vehicle was stripped of all parts useful to Volvo owners... then it went over the wall ......splash..

John Cassels
6th February 2007, 08:23
No offence meant but personally speaking think this story is a load of crap.

JC

Doug Shaw
6th February 2007, 12:05
exdenholm, yes did the run to Baton Rouge, which I remember was much as you describe. Can't remember which ship—one of the 'Bridge' boats I think. We ran onto the mud on the way up river. Took some 'wriggling' to get us off. Loaded soya beans, or something similar at Baton Rouge. SW cooling was on high suctions. On the way down river, the generators started to overheat, quickly followed by the main engine. We had to anchor in a hurry—not easy to do on the river.

Turned out the sea suctions had been sucking in all the beans that had gone over the side and they had completely blocked the seawater strainers.

Can't remember much more about it, except that I managed to get time off to go down to New Orleans. When I tried to get change at the shop in the bus station, the two women behind the counter couldn't understand my Scottish accent. Time after time, they asked me to repeat what I was trying to say. One of them eventually asked if I could speak English. In exasperation, I did my best John Wayne impression, and again asked for change. The two women looked at me obiously perplexed. "Wa-all, Honey" said one, "why didn' ya jus say tha' befo'".

Seem to remember that about 1969, one of the 'Bridge' boats hit one of the bridges on the way down river. Don't think much damage was done to either, but someone else might remember more about that.

Apologies to all if that's a bit off thread for the Troll Boats.

Best regards
Doug

xdenholm
6th February 2007, 14:07
exdenholm, yes did the run to Baton Rouge, which I remember was much as you describe. Can't remember which ship—one of the 'Bridge' boats I think. We ran onto the mud on the way up river. Took some 'wriggling' to get us off. Loaded soya beans, or something similar at Baton Rouge. SW cooling was on high suctions. On the way down river, the generators started to overheat, quickly followed by the main engine. We had to anchor in a hurry—not easy to do on the river.

Turned out the sea suctions had been sucking in all the beans that had gone over the side and they had completely blocked the seawater strainers.

Can't remember much more about it, except that I managed to get time off to go down to New Orleans. When I tried to get change at the shop in the bus station, the two women behind the counter couldn't understand my Scottish accent. Time after time, they asked me to repeat what I was trying to say. One of them eventually asked if I could speak English. In exasperation, I did my best John Wayne impression, and again asked for change. The two women looked at me obiously perplexed. "Wa-all, Honey" said one, "why didn' ya jus say tha' befo'".

Seem to remember that about 1969, one of the 'Bridge' boats hit one of the bridges on the way down river. Don't think much damage was done to either, but someone else might remember more about that.

Apologies to all if that's a bit off thread for the Troll Boats.

Best regards
Doug

cheers doug,(Thumb) you certainly are bringing back those old memories , sea suctions and all, i only got to see new orleans by night, as we sailed by i mean,though i did see baton rouge a few times dont know if it must have been stressfull for bridge crew with those tides and no bow thrusters on the trolls when parking! but they done a great job none the less,the trolls were on paper pulp run, think it was 2 ton rolls, every time a hagglunds crane lifted one on high speed the lights flickered,shoreside crew were suppose to lift them slow speed.yes the laungage thing ,most of the americans thought scotland was either in england or france for some reason?[=P] but they all know what $ ,its universal was it the bridge ships or was it not the team ships you mean , the ones with orange boilers suits to?one trip i do remember leaving baton rouge and c/eng halliday noticed water in the M.E.turbo chargerhousing it was cracked! called into miami to "metalock it together," waste of time ,eventually we sailed 6 knts all the way to london, i was paying off that trip to, what a long haul it turned out to be.and hot!!

muldonaich
6th February 2007, 18:20
No offence meant but personally speaking think this story is a load of crap.

JChaving heard the story of the missing volvo from capt thorpe john i would tend to agree kev.

douglasjamesmichael
7th February 2007, 22:27
[QUOTE=John Cassels;106569]No offence meant but personally speaking think this story is a load of crap.

I am not going to get into an argument with you, again, but I am fed up of your derogitory remarks......if you cannot accept that FACT is stranger then fiction then so be it.
I am not going to waste my time contributing Knobend.

Orcadian
7th February 2007, 23:00
It seems to pretty easy to get DJM to throw the toys out of the pram. I guess that is what happens when you spend so long out of the sunlight down the pit getting covered in grease.

John Cassels
8th February 2007, 08:19
[QUOTE=John Cassels;106569]No offence meant but personally speaking think this story is a load of crap.

I am not going to get into an argument with you, again, but I am fed up of your derogitory remarks......if you cannot accept that FACT is stranger then fiction then so be it.
I am not going to waste my time contributing Knobend.

I think what you are trying to say is " but I am fed up WITH your derogitory
remarks ".
What distresses me regarding yourself and certain others is your willingness
to make a fool of other people - in this case Captain Thorpe. I only wish
he was here to answer you directly.

JC

douglasjamesmichael
8th February 2007, 21:27
[QUOTE=John Cassels;107104][QUOTE=douglasjamesmichael;107034]

I think what you are trying to say is " but I am fed up WITH your derogitory
remarks ".
What distresses me regarding yourself and certain others is your willingness
to make a fool of other people - in this case Captain Thorpe. I only wish
he was here to answer you direct

Cassels - I do not make a fool out of other people......they do that perfectly well themselves.....take this as you will.....

As for Mr Sclater - the Orcadian - I do not attack peoples' professions kindly do not attack my University degree in Mechanical Engineering or my Trade.

Orcadian
8th February 2007, 22:00
DJM I think you should change your name to Richard Head as you seem to come across as a might big one.

Gulpers
8th February 2007, 23:37
Gentlemen,

Healthy discussion is encouraged on this site however, making derogatory remarks about ex shipmates and openly insulting other SN members will not be tolerated.
A little more decorum please, or your posts will be deleted!

Thank you.

Orcadian
9th February 2007, 00:03
Delete away as long as you delete all his post about me as well.

John Cassels
9th February 2007, 08:03
Well said Ray , completely agree.

JC

xdenholm
11th February 2007, 10:36
i remember a 4/eng called george, curly hair big nose was getting married when he paid off in dagenham, decided to have his stag nite next port, hamburg that was! we all ended up in one of those live shows things,you know the type,nothing to get in then £4 a beer and encouraged drink up, anyway george always full of life ended up on stage with 2 off the other ,call them actressess, totally stripped off except his long scarf coveringing his manhood.what a great act the audience was going mental, and the manager of the place sent free beer over to the table the rest of the night, good old george,cant remember his second name or the girls!!!!,just as well(Jester) artic troll 1980 i,m sure.[=P] also remember mick 2/eng from newcastle blonde hair?

ruud
15th February 2007, 16:29
Ahoy,
Here another shot of the TROLL PARK;taken on 19-03-1973 at the New Waterway.
Built 1971
22,160 tons
Norpark Shg.Co.Ltd.[Denholm Ship Management,Ltd-London]
Note:Could uses a bit a paint.(Cloud)

John Cassels
16th February 2007, 09:21
Hi Ruud,

Just after I was on her.

JC

Dick S
16th February 2007, 17:36
Hi,
does anyone remember the voyage that Captain Rose did(a Newfoulndler) in command I was 3/0 and we were Strike bound in Rhode Island. Other memories especially the smell of those paper mills and trying to get the cranes to work in tamden loading the stuff. But mainly can anyone remember who the Supercargo was in Canada. He was an English guy who had been 3/0 in Bibbys when I was a cadet, he turned up and was pretty worried that I might reveal all!! I have been trying to remember his name!
Happy Days
Dick

muldonaich
16th February 2007, 19:49
Hi,
does anyone remember the voyage that Captain Rose did(a Newfoulndler) in command I was 3/0 and we were Strike bound in Rhode Island. Other memories especially the smell of those paper mills and trying to get the cranes to work in tamden loading the stuff. But mainly can anyone remember who the Supercargo was in Canada. He was an English guy who had been 3/0 in Bibbys when I was a cadet, he turned up and was pretty worried that I might reveal all!! I have been trying to remember his name!
Happy Days
Dickhi dick it was mike mcgarrity or something like that regards kev

Gulpers
16th February 2007, 19:56
hi dick it was mike mcgarrity or something like that regards kev

Wasn't his name Mick McCarron? (?HUH)

muldonaich
16th February 2007, 20:36
Wasn't his name Mick McCarron? (?HUH)thats it ray i knew i was not far out regards kev.

Gulpers
16th February 2007, 23:02
thats it ray i knew i was not far out regards kev.

Yes Kevin, I'm sure McCarron was his surname - not sure if he was Mick or Mike - I'm more inclined to think it was Mike.
He was a helluva a nice bloke to work with too! (Thumb)

muldonaich
16th February 2007, 23:43
Yes Kevin, I'm sure McCarron was his surname - not sure if he was Mick or Mike - I'm more inclined to think it was Mike.
He was a helluva a nice bloke to work with too! (Thumb)yes his name was mike i forget what his wifes name was as well old age i guess kev. ps he told me what a cord of wood was i forgot that as well he used to do the coast with us a nice guy good laugh after a few beers when the pressure was off kev.

Stephen J. Card
17th February 2007, 01:51
ps he told me what a cord of wood was i forgot that as well kev.




Kev,

An easy one.

A cord of timber is equal to 128 cubic ft of tightly stacked timber.

Measures roughly 4' x 4' x 8'.

Reminds me of a story Ian Criag told me from I think, his Conon Forrest days. He was on deck supervising hold cleaning and they were dumping old dunnage over the side. The Old Man called him and said, "Hey, don't throw all that dunnage overboard. Save some because the new Third Mate that is coming has a wooden leg!" Next port, new 3/O joins... wooden leg! No idea who it was.

Stephen

muldonaich
17th February 2007, 02:08
Kev,

An easy one.

A cord of timber is equal to 128 cubic ft of tightly stacked timber.

Measures roughly 4' x 4' x 8'.

Reminds me of a story Ian Criag told me from I think, his Conon Forrest days. He was on deck supervising hold cleaning and they were dumping old dunnage over the side. The Old Man called him and said, "Hey, don't throw all that dunnage overboard. Save some because the new Third Mate that is coming has a wooden leg!" Next port, new 3/O joins... wooden leg! No idea who it was.

Stephensailed with capt cromarty only had one eye never sailed with a one legged 3/0 lol no disrespect meant kev.

Stephen J. Card
17th February 2007, 06:16
sailed with capt cromarty only had one eye never sailed with a one legged 3/0 lol no disrespect meant kev.


Kev,

Nelson managed just fine with one eye!

OK... have you every sailed with a 3 legged Doxford? ;-)

I hav'n't, but did sail with an 8 cyl H&W, B&W Opposed Piston in the ICENIC. Looked like a wild beast in the engineroom. I'm told that some of the lads could run from fore to aft along the engine tops at full ahead. Never saw it done.

Stephen

John Cassels
17th February 2007, 09:18
Hi,
does anyone remember the voyage that Captain Rose did(a Newfoulndler) in command I was 3/0 and we were Strike bound in Rhode Island. Other memories especially the smell of those paper mills and trying to get the cranes to work in tamden loading the stuff. But mainly can anyone remember who the Supercargo was in Canada. He was an English guy who had been 3/0 in Bibbys when I was a cadet, he turned up and was pretty worried that I might reveal all!! I have been trying to remember his name!
Happy Days
Dick


In the early days (1970), supercargo on the Canadian side was Ian Glen who
worked for Leitch. Met him in later life when we both worked for Cast.

JC

muldonaich
17th February 2007, 09:20
Kev,

Nelson managed just fine with one eye!

OK... have you every sailed with a 3 legged Doxford? ;-)

I hav'n't, but did sail with an 8 cyl H&W, B&W Opposed Piston in the ICENIC. Looked like a wild beast in the engineroom. I'm told that some of the lads could run from fore to aft along the engine tops at full ahead. Never saw it done.

Stephenthats like wee roddy lying on the anchor only fools and first trippers as they say

Stephen J. Card
17th February 2007, 11:10
thats like wee roddy lying on the anchor only fools and first trippers as they say


Isn't that the truth!

Does anyone remember the Jr Engineer who dived through an open port in the Officer's Bar on one of the Seatrain ships... into Greenock dock?

Or 'Mad' Dan McLean. A.B./GP1 ... who went from foremast to mainmast, handover hand along the jumper stay on a dare?

Same Mad Dan was driving busses for Glasgow Corporation for a while. Got fed up one day and parked his bus, full of passengers, in the stop outside 120 St. Vincent Street. He went up to Personnel Dept, secured a chit to join a ship, and went away leaving is passengers siitting in the bus!

Stephen

Dick S
17th February 2007, 14:19
Hi,
The name name Mike rings a bell. It was just it was the 1st time,and only, I saw a master have to court,in Germany,to get his 3/0 back before we could sail!!

Dick

muldonaich
17th February 2007, 17:52
In the early days (1970), supercargo on the Canadian side was Ian Glen who
worked for Leitch. Met him in later life when we both worked for Cast.

JChi john do you remember john stewart he served his tim in the head boats he was canadian he was cargo super in cast on the canadian side a real nice guy kev.

Stephen J. Card
17th February 2007, 21:09
Hi,
The name name Mike rings a bell. It was just it was the 1st time,and only, I saw a master have to court,in Germany,to get his 3/0 back before we could sail!!

Dick



Damn nuisance when the police start arresting ship's officers!

I went to cour just once.. as 2/o on the ICENIC in New Zealand. Prevoious night five of our cadets went ashore, had a few too many beers and one of them knocked over a rubbish bin. The sheriff arrested all five for disorderly conduct! I ended up in court pleading with the magistrate that they were good lads , but had just had 30 days at sea coming out from the UK and so were bound to be a bit mischievous. The charges were dropped. No case to answer.

Back on the ship it was a different story. The OM insisted that they were found Not Guilty because of lack of evidence, not as I told him... 'No case to answer.' He then informed Head Office of the incident... that all SIX cadets were guilty of gross misconduct. (The Sixth cadet on board was away home on coastal leave and was not even on board!) There was a hearing at Head Office when the ship returned to the UK but thankfully no action was taken. They were all senior cadets just ready to sit 2/M.

Stephen

muldonaich
17th February 2007, 22:25
Damn nuisance when the police start arresting ship's officers!

I went to cour just once.. as 2/o on the ICENIC in New Zealand. Prevoious night five of our cadets went ashore, had a few too many beers and one of them knocked over a rubbish bin. The sheriff arrested all five for disorderly conduct! I ended up in court pleading with the magistrate that they were good lads , but had just had 30 days at sea coming out from the UK and so were bound to be a bit mischievous. The charges were dropped. No case to answer.

Back on the ship it was a different story. The OM insisted that they were found Not Guilty because of lack of evidence, not as I told him... 'No case to answer.' He then informed Head Office of the incident... that all SIX cadets were guilty of gross misconduct. (The Sixth cadet on board was away home on coastal leave and was not even on board!) There was a hearing at Head Office when the ship returned to the UK but thankfully no action was taken. They were all senior cadets just ready to sit 2/M.

Stephen8 people looking whY??????COME ON POSt regrds kev.

xdenholm
18th February 2007, 09:00
talking of incidents, the duty mess was through the crews mess with a small partition seperating it was it not,? anyway one morning 8am after a rough nite down below , i was waiting to get my breakfast and this little smart a-s crew member GP1, think he must have done some body building cos he was strong for his size,trying to jump the que, i told him to wait his turn and got nothing but abuse, next think i lost it chairs flying everwhere ,tia-tosh threw him to the deck (judo black belt)and locked his arm out he would not give in though ,one of the crew said go down to the bosun office and sort it out ,we did , i gave him a f--king sore face alright he had the lump to prove it afterwords .not thinking anything of it except losing my job , the next day i was suddenly the hero of the crew and also mick the 2/eng whom did not like us scots.in fact mick use to say 2 sugar and one milk meaning he wanted tea.suddenly asking me was it sugar and milk i took, seemingly this wee hard man, cant remember his name, was hated by the other crew because he was always looking for trouble, and fighting, nothing more was said of it by c/eng halliday or captian smart at the time.and i got promotion to, before denholms in the early 80s in fact after the falklands war it was 82 hit an alltime low, loss of ships and change of contracts that upset many,i must have been on the cast ships by then, anyone heard of TK shipping?(tankers)canadian company paid in canadian dollars gross no N.I. and no tax?DIY stuff but that would be another thread.though today they do have an office in glasgow

muldonaich
18th February 2007, 14:14
talking of incidents, the duty mess was through the crews mess with a small partition seperating it was it not,? anyway one morning 8am after a rough nite down below , i was waiting to get my breakfast and this little smart a-s crew member GP1, think he must have done some body building cos he was strong for his size,trying to jump the que, i told him to wait his turn and got nothing but abuse, next think i lost it chairs flying everwhere ,tia-tosh threw him to the deck (judo black belt)and locked his arm out he would not give in though ,one of the crew said go down to the bosun office and sort it out ,we did , i gave him a f--king sore face alright he had the lump to prove it afterwords .not thinking anything of it except losing my job , the next day i was suddenly the hero of the crew and also mick the 2/eng whom did not like us scots.in fact mick use to say 2 sugar and one milk meaning he wanted tea.suddenly asking me was it sugar and milk i took, seemingly this wee hard man, cant remember his name, was hated by the other crew because he was always looking for trouble, and fighting, nothing more was said of it by c/eng halliday or captian smart at the time.and i got promotion to, before denholms in the early 80s in fact after the falklands war it was 82 hit an alltime low, loss of ships and change of contracts that upset many,i must have been on the cast ships by then, anyone heard of TK shipping?(tankers)canadian company paid in canadian dollars gross no N.I. and no tax?DIY stuff but that would be another thread.though today they do have an office in glasgow
i sailed with halliday and smart i always found them two good guys they were always honest with me regards kev.

alanmarshall
14th March 2007, 15:41
Just wanted toa add that Bert Campbell was PO and also my sea daddy in The Arctic Troll 1974, Bert used to get pissed And put a poncho on Like Clint Eastwood. I have never seen so many tattoos on one man, Bert was a Gem though !

paddywhack1967
15th March 2007, 10:00
Just had a thought. On Arctic Troll we had a young lad from Glasgow nicknamed "Ginger". He would have been about 20 years old in 1978. He was a real "grafter", excellent on the Hagglund Cranes and could well have been PO by 1980. (Thumb). I sailed with michael byrne (ginger) on the arctic troll (1977-1979)he was a grafter,i do remember when he lost all his family in a fire.He comes from South Uist

Gulpers
15th March 2007, 10:23
. I sailed with michael byrne (ginger) on the arctic troll (1977-1979)he was a grafter,i do remember when he lost all his family in a fire.He comes from South Uist

Yes that's the man. You're right, he was originally from South Uist although I believe he was living in the Glasgow area following the family tragedy.
I'm sure we must have sailed together on Arctic Troll.
Cardinal Gray and John Jackson were the Old Men in those days!
Mick (?) and Pedro relieved each other as CPOs.(Thumb)

Argyll
15th March 2007, 12:35
Is this the Bert Campbell who came from Fenwick in Ayrshire, he lived in Liverpool for a while,
I was with him on the Degema for 2 trips he was Bosun's mate He was also bosun on Kandaw. we were good friends I remember staying a weekend in Fenwick at his paerents place with him ,I shifted companies and lost touch.
Yes he had tatooes everywhere. The onesI remember most is the Rock of ages on his back and the two eyes on the buttocks which he used two show as a patry piece
Argyll

Gulpers
15th March 2007, 17:09
Is this the Bert Campbell who came from Fenwick in Ayrshire, he lived in Liverpool for a while,
I was with him on the Degema for 2 trips he was Bosun's mate He was also bosun on Kandaw. we were good friends I remember staying a weekend in Fenwick at his paerents place with him ,I shifted companies and lost touch.
Yes he had tatooes everywhere. The onesI remember most is the Rock of ages on his back and the two eyes on the buttocks which he used two show as a patry piece
Argyll

Hi Argyll,

I sailed with Bert when he was Bosun on Vancouver Forest. An excellent Seaman and a real Grafter.
From the tattoos you describe I'm sure this is the same Bert. The 'party piece' certainly sounds like the Bert I knew. He also said that he had a "fly" tattooed "on his person" which used to transform into a "bluebottle" when his lovely wife was around! I hasten to add, I never saw the "fly," never mind the "bluebottle!"(Jester)

Fenwick rings a bell too although, I also have a notion that he stayed in East Kilbride. (Thumb)

Argyll
15th March 2007, 17:49
Hi Ray,
Yes we have the same guy I was down at the ferry terminal today and speaking to George Mc Greevy he also remembers Bert,Bert was his Lampy on one ship in fact he and george came off a Motor bike in the Phillipenes and george was off work for two months Bert was always Motor bike daft It was his ambition to own a Triumph Bonnieville. I was hi best man at his first marriage but it did not last long,
Argyll

paddywhack1967
15th March 2007, 20:24
[QUOTE=Gulpers;115238]Yes that's the man. You're right, he was originally from South Uist although I believe he was living in the Glasgow are following the family tragedy.
I'm sure we must have sailed together on Arctic Troll.
Cardinal Gray and John Jackson were the Old Men in those days!
Mick (?) and Pedro relieved each other as CPOs.(Thumb)[.The bosun was mike maclean & john morrision.Were you on when the cook fell between the boat and the pier in dagnhem,his name was Brian Sousbry from Gateshead i think.Also on at that time was Gerry Maglinn,Neil Buchan,Gus Kilmurray.

Gulpers
15th March 2007, 23:46
Hi Ray,
Yes we have the same guy I was down at the ferry terminal today and speaking to George Mc Greevy he also remembers Bert,Bert was his Lampy on one ship in fact he and george came off a Motor bike in the Phillipenes and george was off work for two months Bert was always Motor bike daft It was his ambition to own a Triumph Bonnieville. I was hi best man at his first marriage but it did not last long,
Argyll

Hi Argyll,

I don't know whether the lady I met was Bert's first wife or not but, she was a real stunner! Yes, motorbikes ... that's right, he was a biker!
I sailed with George too, on Asialiner. (Thumb)

Gulpers
15th March 2007, 23:53
The bosun was mike maclean & john morrision.Were you on when the cook fell between the boat and the pier in dagnhem,his name was Brian Sousbry from Gateshead i think.Also on at that time was Gerry Maglinn,Neil Buchan,Gus Kilmurray.

paddywhack1967,

Thanks. I don't remember the cook going in the drink although I do remember his name. Neil and Gus ..... yes I remember both of them.
I met Neil in post Denholm days when he was with Calmac.
I lived on Islay in the mid 80's and Neil was sailing on IONA, the the Islay - Kennacraig ferry. (Thumb)

xdenholm
16th March 2007, 20:16
gulphers or even the praying mantis himself JC ,can you help? whos the electrican in the pic? think his fist name was alan? but not sure, his story was that he left the sea 3 times but could not settle ashore though his wife wanted him ashore, so kept coming back liked his beer as you can tell , thats me next to him by the way, the time denholm changed from reefer jacket to greys with a blue jersey.... ugh!(Thumb)

Gulpers
17th March 2007, 03:49
gulphers or even the praying mantis himself JC ,can you help? whos the electrican in the pic? think his fist name was alan? but not sure, his story was that he left the sea 3 times but could not settle ashore though his wife wanted him ashore, so kept coming back liked his beer as you can tell , thats me next to him by the way, the time denholm changed from reefer jacket to greys with a blue jersey.... ugh!(Thumb)

Sorry XD, don't recognise your Lecky.(Sad)

xdenholm
17th March 2007, 09:17
Sorry XD, don't recognise your Lecky.(Sad)
gulpers, one for you ,though i.m a bit off thread,sorry. you started about 1972-73 ish at GCNS , do you remember the assistant principal by the name of sandy smith an extra chief no less, well if you do ,he is still very much alive and still attends college meetings ,though he must be 80 if hes a day, he was one of the old school that many of us were lucky to have been taught by,(Thumb)

John Cassels
17th March 2007, 10:41
gulphers or even the praying mantis himself JC ,can you help? whos the electrican in the pic? think his fist name was alan? but not sure, his story was that he left the sea 3 times but could not settle ashore though his wife wanted him ashore, so kept coming back liked his beer as you can tell , thats me next to him by the way, the time denholm changed from reefer jacket to greys with a blue jersey.... ugh!(Thumb)


Take it easy young man , flattery will get you no where.

Photo does remind me of a lecky but his name wasn't Alan.

JC

Gulpers
17th March 2007, 14:30
gulpers, one for you ,though i.m a bit off thread,sorry. you started about 1972-73 ish at GCNS , do you remember the assistant principal by the name of sandy smith an extra chief no less, well if you do ,he is still very much alive and still attends college meetings ,though he must be 80 if hes a day, he was one of the old school that many of us were lucky to have been taught by,(Thumb)

XD,

Goodness, that's a blast from the past. I do remember Sandy Smith although, being a Deck Cadet at that time, I wasn't taught by him. Good to hear that he is still around and got all his "marbles."(==D)

muldonaich
17th March 2007, 17:02
XD,

Goodness, that's a blast from the past. I do remember Sandy Smith although, being a Deck Cadet at that time, I wasn't taught by him. Good to hear that he is still around and got all his "marbles."(==D)know tommy laird passed away also john livingston super does anyone know what happened to jimmy holburn from years back kev.

Wee John
17th March 2007, 18:13
Sorry to hear about Tommy Laird. In 1974, when I was 2/E on the Tor Scandia, I got Tommy as 4/E for two weeks when Denholm Mclay used them to fill in in the summer. Great guy but a useless 4/E. Cadets today dont get the great stories, like the ones he told

muldonaich
17th March 2007, 23:29
Sorry to hear about Tommy Laird. In 1974, when I was 2/E on the Tor Scandia, I got Tommy as 4/E for two weeks when Denholm Mclay used them to fill in in the summer. Great guy but a useless 4/E. Cadets today dont get the great stories, like the ones he toldsorry john not the t laird you are thinking of he was our training off in 1968 a wee bit before that time on hopepark later under sas called stonehaven kev.

chriscokid
22nd March 2007, 07:05
I sailed on Troll Park in the summer of 1973 as a passenger. I was only 13 years old and was with my mum and younger sister. In June we sailed from New Brunswick to Cornerbrook Newfoundland and then on to London where we got off. We spent the summer in UK and got back on the ship in August to sail home by way of Emden, Bremen, Rotterdam, Houston, New Orleans, Lake Charles, Savannah and finally back to St John, NB.

The only names I remember are Capt Tawse, sparky John Smith (Lord Smyth of Barnet), chief engineer Erskine (I think) and Billy the steward in the officer's mess. I also remember the crane engineer to be a nice dutch (i think) man but can't remember his name.

The chief engineer was a real mentor to me, he had me helping him with various projects. Imagine, a 13 year old kid having practically free run of the ship including the bridge and engine room. One of the tasks was putting together a working string of batteries from old emergency light cells. This involved filtering battery acid, selecting the 12 best cells, refilling them, bolting them together and charging them up. I also served as barman, pulling pints in the officer's mess most evenings. Those were truely different times!!! Today no one would dream of letting a kid do such things for fear of all kinds of lawsuits etc...

Sparky was also a great friend, he showed me how all the radio gear worked and taught me morse code. All in all, I remember my time on that ship very fondly, and much more clearly than what we did on our vacation in UK.

I wonder if anyone on here remembers this. I also wonder what happened to the Troll Park, I searched on the internet but could not find any information.

Chris

Gulpers
22nd March 2007, 07:44
Chris,

Welcome to SN and more specifically to the Denholm thread. (Thumb)

Troll Park has been scrapped.
1984 - Renamed Jasmine
1986 - Renamed Ivy
1988 - Renamed Chiara S
1989 - Renamed Da Mosto A
1992 - Renamed MSC Laura

Chief Engineer would have been Tommy Erskine, Crane Engineer - Jan "the Cran" (can't remember his surname at moment - he lived in Greenock, Scotland) and the Steward could have been Billy McLaughlin.

I sailed on Troll River, Troll Park and Arctic Troll at various times throughout the 70's but I was not on Troll Park for either of your voyages.

Keep an eye on this thread because I am sure some of the other ex Troll Park guys will remember you. (Thumb)

"Thamesphil" has a photograph of Troll Park in our Gallery.

Troll Park by Thamesphil (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/15151/cat/all/si/Troll%20Park/what/allfields)

The photograph shows her with the Troll funnel colours which only Arctic Troll had originally. Troll Park would have had Wilhelmsen funnel colours when you sailed on her - black funnel with two light blue bands.

Do you by any chance have any photographs of the ship, or crew, which you could post in the Gallery? (?HUH)

Best wishes,

John Cassels
22nd March 2007, 09:06
Welcome to the site Chris.
Sailed as 2nd.mate on the Trollpark but a little before your time - it was 1971-
or therebouts. Bill Tawse was also master then . Unfortunatly he passed
away in the late '70's. Tommy Erskine was also cheng. Jan the kran was there as well but like Ray , can't remember his name. Yes , she was a good
ship.

JC

Dick S
22nd March 2007, 12:53
Does anyone remember the name of a 2/0 who was had a Masters Home Trade Certificate and was going on to Offshore Industry Boats. Cpt. Rose was in commandand the mates name was Bill or Bob who's claim to fame was that his cat had been 'Doctored' by the actual James Herriott.

Dick

muldonaich
22nd March 2007, 14:35
Does anyone remember the name of a 2/0 who was had a Masters Home Trade Certificate and was going on to Offshore Industry Boats. Cpt. Rose was in commandand the mates name was Bill or Bob who's claim to fame was that his cat had been 'Doctored' by the actual James Herriott.

Dicki think that would be bill grey went on to be a tug master kev. ps he was an ex cpo.

chriscokid
23rd March 2007, 09:33
Yes, I had heard that Capt. Tawse passed away. Tommy Erskine visited us in the late 1970s in Montreal when the ship he was on stopped here. I wonder what happened to him and his family. His wife and two children were sailing with us on my return voyage and we became friends but didn't stay in touch.

I have a nice colour aerial photo of Troll Park that was given to me when I left the ship, I will try to find it and scan and post it here. I also have to look through my old photos from that time. I am sure that I will find some that I can post here.

Chris

Gulpers
23rd March 2007, 11:01
Chris,

Many thanks - we'll look forward to your postings! (Thumb)

Max Mitchell
31st March 2007, 18:08
Couple of questions ;
Why was she carrying timber from Rotterdam to St.Johns. Normally it was
the other way around.
Was 2nd.mate on the Troll park 1971 and certainly do not remember that
they were "primative"inside (presume you are talking about the accommodation). She was certainly the only ship I ever sailed in where
the 2nd.mate had a seperate bedroom. The accommodation was superb
for the early '70's.

JC

Quite so! Iwas ch/off of Arctic Troll Built in yugoslavia as then was. Superb accom Manning was GP with female catering staff. Denholms sent a (fairly) secret memo having realised the "possibilities" There were at this time female nav staff and sparkies ie Marilyn Dallas Bradshaw The gist of the memo was that "liasons" by Officer females must not exceed one (at a time)
but ratings female were allowed two before disciplinary action need be taken!!

BEDDY
8th April 2007, 19:44
Hello to everyone on this thread.

Who ownes the photos on this thread??
Will it be possible for me to use the photos of troll park and arctic troll on my website abt wilh. wilhelmsen??

Thanks in advance

BEDDY
13th April 2007, 23:21
Hello.
Can anyone tell if the Troll-ships Wilh. Wilhelmsen had management of; TROLL PSRK, TROLL LAKE, TROLL RIVER had all British crew??

John Cassels
14th April 2007, 09:05
Trollpark had British GP crew when I sailed on her 1971.

JC

John Graham
20th June 2007, 15:56
[QUOTE=Gulpers;115238]Yes that's the man. You're right, he was originally from South Uist although I believe he was living in the Glasgow are following the family tragedy.
I'm sure we must have sailed together on Arctic Troll.
Cardinal Gray and John Jackson were the Old Men in those days!
Mick (?) and Pedro relieved each other as CPOs.(Thumb)[.The bosun was mike maclean & john morrision.Were you on when the cook fell between the boat and the pier in dagnhem,his name was Brian Sousbry from Gateshead i think.Also on at that time was Gerry Maglinn,Neil Buchan,Gus Kilmurray.

Paddywhack1967. I was on the Arctic Troll when Brian fell between the ship and the pier. Poor guy was in an awful mess. However, I'm glad to say he recovered, and sailed with my father a couple of years later. Can also recognise quite a few names on this thread. John Morrison, Mike McLean, Ginger, and Neil Buchan were all guys I sailed with. Ronnie Alexander from Carlisle was the (albeit reluctant) crane engineer at the time.

Regarding the story about the Volvo. I have no idea if it is true, or not. I do seem to recall hearing such a story, but the version I was told involved a Mazda on one of the Troll ships sailing between Japan, and the Middle East. Regardless of it being true, or not. It has certainly passed into fokelore.

jig
20th June 2007, 16:06
just posted some photos of Troll Park in cargo section 1973

Bert Campbell
30th March 2008, 18:11
Is this the Bert Campbell who came from Fenwick in Ayrshire, he lived in Liverpool for a while,
I was with him on the Degema for 2 trips he was Bosun's mate He was also bosun on Kandaw. we were good friends I remember staying a weekend in Fenwick at his paerents place with him ,I shifted companies and lost touch.
Yes he had tatooes everywhere. The onesI remember most is the Rock of ages on his back and the two eyes on the buttocks which he used two show as a patry piece
Argyll

Is that you Alister bert here get in touch

Bert Campbell
2nd April 2008, 19:18
not sure about you Gulpers but i definately know argyle maybe he is at work and will get in touch

Bert Campbell
2nd April 2008, 19:21
Just wanted toa add that Bert Campbell was PO and also my sea daddy in The Arctic Troll 1974, Bert used to get pissed And put a poncho on Like Clint Eastwood. I have never seen so many tattoos on one man, Bert was a Gem though !

yes i remember you and big mick Quin or am i getting mixed up with the cooks

Dimondd
11th April 2008, 15:37
Hello Bert
Go not know if you wil remember me, Roy Jeffrey, I think I was a steward or maybe second cook when I sailed with you, not quite sure. Are you still at sea? If so who are you working with?
I am now with Cal Dive in the Gulf of Mexico.
Good to "see" you.

John Cassels
11th April 2008, 18:47
Dimondd; if you told us who you are perhaps more of us will remember you.
There are lots of us old denholms guys on this site.

rgds

John Cassels

muldonaich
11th April 2008, 21:47
john i think he said his name was roy jeffries brgrds kev. ps i think i sailed with him .

Dimondd
14th April 2008, 02:51
Hello JC
Yes as Muldonaich (who are you?) said I am Roy Jeffrey, I was with Denholms on and off from 1977 to 1994 as a catering boy, steward, second cook, chief cook and cook steward, blond haired skinny kid!!!. Sailed on the following denholm vessels...
Troll River.
Vancouver Forest
Conon Forest
Arctic Troll
Troll Lake
Loch Lomand
Nordic Louisiana
Euroliner (last four months. took her to Kiel)
Tor Caledonia
Mechant Principal
Merchant Pioneer
Merchant Ferries (cant remmeber the name of her, the first one!!)
Author
Adviser
There were a couple more but I cant for the life of me remember their names.
Good to see so many familiar names and not so good to see some of them have already passed on, the likes of Pat Crokin, who I thought was indestructable when I was second cook with him and Lenny Bell a pure gent of a captain.
I am at the moment with Cal Dive in the states...but in this day and age that could change at any time!
Best regards
Roy Jeffrey

Bert Campbell
17th April 2008, 22:40
Hello Bert
Go not know if you wil remember me, Roy Jeffrey, I think I was a steward or maybe second cook when I sailed with you, not quite sure. Are you still at sea? If so who are you working with?
I am now with Cal Dive in the Gulf of Mexico.
Good to "see" you.

hi Roy name is familiar but cant place you give me some more names of who was with us i am retired but work on Cal Mac in the summer season never worked for Cal Dive finnished up on Stenna the last job was with Anglo Eastern is there a John from Stranear on there with you i forget his second name
rgds Bert

Argyll
18th April 2008, 19:19
Hi Bert,
Sorry to edge in I sent you a PM last nite, given you my e-mail address
hopefully tlk soon,
Argyll (Alistair)

Bert Campbell
19th April 2008, 13:34
Hi Bert,
Sorry to edge in I sent you a PM last nite, given you my e-mail address
hopefully tlk soon,
Argyll (Alistair)

got your quote last night Al but you didnt send your e.mail address if you did i didnt recieve it got your quotes about the bushman you are certainly going into the archives now was to join the Isle of Aran a few weeks ago but the job fell through give you my e.mail address by (P.Campbell23@ntlworld.com) PM hope to hear from you soon sent you xmas card via Caal Mac with phone number on it guess you are to shy to phone or else you didnt recieve it
All the best for now
Bert

jax123
19th August 2008, 13:59
I sailed on Troll Park in the summer of 1973 as a passenger. I was only 13 years old and was with my mum and younger sister. In June we sailed from New Brunswick to Cornerbrook Newfoundland and then on to London where we got off. We spent the summer in UK and got back on the ship in August to sail home by way of Emden, Bremen, Rotterdam, Houston, New Orleans, Lake Charles, Savannah and finally back to St John, NB.

The only names I remember are Capt Tawse, sparky John Smith (Lord Smyth of Barnet), chief engineer Erskine (I think) and Billy the steward in the officer's mess. I also remember the crane engineer to be a nice dutch (i think) man but can't remember his name.

The chief engineer was a real mentor to me, he had me helping him with various projects. Imagine, a 13 year old kid having practically free run of the ship including the bridge and engine room. One of the tasks was putting together a working string of batteries from old emergency light cells. This involved filtering battery acid, selecting the 12 best cells, refilling them, bolting them together and charging them up. I also served as barman, pulling pints in the officer's mess most evenings. Those were truely different times!!! Today no one would dream of letting a kid do such things for fear of all kinds of lawsuits etc...

Sparky was also a great friend, he showed me how all the radio gear worked and taught me morse code. All in all, I remember my time on that ship very fondly, and much more clearly than what we did on our vacation in UK.

I wonder if anyone on here remembers this. I also wonder what happened to the Troll Park, I searched on the internet but could not find any information.

Chris
I remember you, your sister and mother on the Troll Park that summer. A sourfaced MaxDonald was Captain around that time, John Smith was Sparky, George Bell electrician, Stuart? 3rd mate and myself, Jack Kirk 4th engineer.
My memory fails me when it comes to any others in the period Jan to July '73 when I was aboard and there would have been a few changes in bodies during that time.
I don't recall Corner Brook on that run but do remember going into Stephensville in Newfoundland around then, in summer the place was just about tolerable though Troll boats had good reason to hate it in winter as one got stuck severely in the ice there.
If anyone has an accurate voyage schedule or crew list for that period I to am interested.
Jack

Dick S
21st August 2008, 15:58
Hi was anyone on the Troll Park with Capt Rose, when She got caught twice by delays one was with a Pilots strike in Halifax and the other a strike in Rhode Island, Can't remember the name of the port, because there was a strike in Boston and our cargo had been, allegedly, diverted from Boston! cannot remember the year but it was the same as Jaws came out as the adverts were all over the Radio and TV. I was 3/mate at time .

Dick

r1d1
29th October 2009, 02:26
Chris,

Welcome to SN and more specifically to the Denholm thread. (Thumb)

Troll Park has been scrapped.
1984 - Renamed Jasmine
1986 - Renamed Ivy
1988 - Renamed Chiara S
1989 - Renamed Da Mosto A
1992 - Renamed MSC Laura

Chief Engineer would have been Tommy Erskine, Crane Engineer - Jan "the Cran" (can't remember his surname at moment - he lived in Greenock, Scotland) and the Steward could have been Billy McLaughlin.

I sailed on Troll River, Troll Park and Arctic Troll at various times throughout the 70's but I was not on Troll Park for either of your voyages.

Keep an eye on this thread because I am sure some of the other ex Troll Park guys will remember you. (Thumb)

"Thamesphil" has a photograph of Troll Park in our Gallery.

Troll Park by Thamesphil (http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/15151/cat/all/si/Troll%20Park/what/allfields)

The photograph shows her with the Troll funnel colours which only Arctic Troll had originally. Troll Park would have had Wilhelmsen funnel colours when you sailed on her - black funnel with two light blue bands.

Do you by any chance have any photographs of the ship, or crew, which you could post in the Gallery? (?HUH)

Best wishes,


Jan the cran's name was Jan van Oostenrijk.

Mike R757550
19th December 2009, 20:17
anyone remember going up the river to baton rouge,yes it was mississippi mud indeed trying to remember if that was the berth that the tide was fierce and the engine room was on 1 hr notice case we lost hold on the jetty seems the crew were always moving ropes ,think all ropes backsprung,foresprung,breast etc were all out and gangways because of the tide i remember the berth was well exposed on the river if it was that river? anyone done that run on the trolls We left the berth capt Donaldson was the master, there was a bridge down river and with the strong current we went under that bridge beam on with the yankey pilot
cool as anything, the Troll Park, turned her head slowly and headed down river.

john lilburn
1st April 2010, 22:27
I sailed on the Troll River, Jan '72 to July '73. I was 3/E. Hobbs was C/E and Donald Dunlop was 2/E. Chief Steward was Willie Thompson from Coatbridge/Airdrie.

andy60e
7th November 2011, 17:17
jc and all please see pic of ginger, the story i got from a few onboard was that ginger lost his family in a house fire ,i mean his brothers and sisters and he was the only one left, he was a grafter, always went ashore himself and got pissed ,think he had a death wish or something, i remember stopping the cab in hamburg one shore leave and ginger was sitting in the gutter totally pissed we got him into the taxi and back to the ship, we all know about lifting a dead weight ,anyway when we got back to the ship i thought no way could we get him up that narrow gangway carrying him ,i said to him we are back ginger but your going to have to help us get you up the gangway, he picked himself up and walked up himself ,last i seen of him that night,and the ship was sailing,was out aft sleeping on a chair under the moonlight sky, totally oblivious to everything a good man none the less[=P]
I remember Mick well, sailed with him on Troll Lake I think it was.......only person I ever knew that would go on the piss on a bottle of Drambuie........would drink a bottle in one sitting........really great bloke.....apart from being a Celtic supporter that is.

andy60e
7th November 2011, 18:31
Is that you Alister bert here get in touch

Hi Bert, hope you still look in here.....just wanted to say hello. I am Andy Elder....we joined the Conon Forest together along with another old mate of yours from the Fort.....Robbie Lamont aka Jaws.

Thinking back to my time at sea I can honestly say that I sailed with some fantastic crews. I really don't remember a bad one....certainly not with Denholms anyway.

Anyone know anything of Tommy Wotherspoon (Spoons). Sailed with him a few times, another great guy......Bert I know you knew him well, is he still to the fore?

Ian_inaz
18th November 2011, 01:37
know tommy laird passed away also john livingston super does anyone know what happened to jimmy holburn from years back kev.

Just stumbled across this Forum.
Jim Holburn was my dad. He passsed away in Ottawa in 1998. He was working for Canadian Govt DOT.

muldonaich
18th November 2011, 03:05
will send you pm about your dad brgds kev.

Captain C.P.W.White
5th January 2012, 21:23
Does anyone remember Capt Thorpe...Jeremy's Brother.....and the extra Volvo.....not off loaded at Charleston or Miami.....

I think I releaved him on the Troll Park in Baltimore in August 1978.
My Father had just died and he did an extra 3 weeks for me so that I could arrange my Fathers Funeral.I also met him a few times before and after that at various courses we attended together

Captain C.P.W.White
5th January 2012, 21:56
sailed with capt cromarty only had one eye never sailed with a one legged 3/0 lol no disrespect meant kev.

Sorry I am a bit late with this but I've only just found it.A Third Mate sailed with me (I wasC/O at the time)on one of our Ore Carriers in the late 60's.He lost his leg during the war from frost bite, as he was then a Bosun of a ship
that was torpedoed in Mid Winter in the North Atlantic,I think they were adrift for about three weeks and some of the crew died because of the severe cold.For his bravery in eventually getting the life-boat back,they promoted him Third Mate(But No Certificate)

mel3ladcup
30th January 2012, 13:18
I think I releaved him on the Troll Park in Baltimore in August 1978.
My Father had just died and he did an extra 3 weeks for me so that I could arrange my Fathers Funeral.I also met him a few times before and after that at various courses we attended together

I sailed with Malky Thorpe on one of the troll ships he was c/o.
Ialso stood by the building of the Troll Park in Riejka1970

Malky Glaister
31st January 2012, 02:04
I was with Malky Thorpe on a RO-RO called Saudi Hofuf which had been partially submerged. We were in Dubai. Malky was great but the work was lousy. We worked for Scottish Ship Management or part of that mob. The Owners were just fools. I jacked it in eventually. Not proud of that.
regards Malky

LyallSmith
29th August 2012, 10:05
Hi
I'm Lyall Smith, I sailed on the Arctic Troll twice. First time as a second trip Eng. Cadet in 1977 when she ran into Dagenham rather than Tilbury. I'm terrible with names but I can remember the New Year party somone else alluded too. We all wore fancy dress, the 3/0 was a viking and he wore the costume when tying up on the Forecastle. The Captain was not amused.
I also remember Jan the Cran, worked with him on those cranes, drilling out coupling bolts between the electric motors and the pumps, soul destroying !!!!!
The second time was as Junior Eng. when we took her to lay up in Haugesund in about 1982. I seem to remember on that trip all the engineers had superior tickets. Chief, Second and Third all had Chief's tickets, the 4th and myself both had Seconds. It was after that trip I left to work for Seaforth Maritime on Supply boats.

The Ships I was on were :-

Erskine Bridge
Arctic Troll
Nordic Patriot
Nordic Crusader
Burmah Pearl
Cast Tern (the worst ship I was ever on)
Britannia Team

LyallSmith
29th August 2012, 13:36
Ray
I've just found your photo and we sailed together on Arctic Troll. I was Eng Cadet at the time. The trip when we had the fancy dress at New Year and you dressed as a viking.
Good old days.

Lyall

Gulpers
29th August 2012, 18:12
Hi Lyall,

Good to hear from you after all this time. Good old days indeed!
Tell me you don't have photographs of the Viking gear ........ please!
If you have a look at neil nic's Gallery you will find some photographs of Arctic Troll - you may remember Neil, he was GP1 and relieving PO when I sailed with him.
Looking at your Denholm ships, I'm surprised we never sailed together again since I was on quite a few of them too! (Thumb)