baileysan

baileysan
21st August 2006, 23:00
Can I tap the wealth of knowledge from members.
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I have been contacted a friend who is desperately trying to track some history of her Grandfather. The information I have so far is he sailed in the MN from the 1920's to early 1950's ending up as chief Mate.
She has some info re ships names.
Can any one come up with some possible contacts for tracing ships and various companies and possibly going on to find some information on the person.


I would appreciate any possible contacts.

Trevorw
21st August 2006, 23:06
Can I tap the wealth of knowledge from members.
.
I have been contacted a friend who is desperately trying to track some history of her Grandfather. The information I have so far is he sailed in the MN from the 1920's to early 1950's ending up as chief Mate.
She has some info re ships names.
Can any one come up with some possible contacts for tracing ships and various companies and possibly going on to find some information on the person.


I would appreciate any possible contacts.
Give us the ship's names and we will see what we can do

non descript
22nd August 2006, 07:48
Baileysan,

You have given us very little to go on, we have a Chief Mate and a date range of 1920-50 – certainly his name would maybe be useful and trigger some memories, likewise some ship’s names would start some leads.

john shaw
22nd August 2006, 08:49
Hello

I would appreciate any possible contacts.

from your post I would read that you are asking advice as to where you, or the friend, might do your own research-- whilst I'm sure you appreciate the offer of assistance from members if you can furnish a few more details, the following sites may help in the quest:

mercantilemarine.org
mowbars.plus.com
allatsea.cx
warsailors.com
battleships-cruisers.co.uk
photoship.co.uk
theshipslist.com
iancoombe.tripod.com
mariners-l.co.uk
red-duster.co.uk
portcities.org.uk
chesterahoy.com
clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt
shipspotting.com
nmm.ac.uk
nationalarchives.gov.uk (but not much there)

There are a fair few to be going on with, and I'm sure those much more practised than I in this will have hundreds more-- plus reference books etc-- you may see from the above alone why it would be a good idea to utilise the help and wealth of knowledge held by all those on here, as they will almost certainly save you hours of research,and probably more importantly they will possibly give a personalised and "human" slant to the whole thing, probably to the benefit of your friend who is researching a relative's history, rather than doing just dry research.

Whichever, very best of luck in the search.

non descript
22nd August 2006, 09:28
Well done John, nice one. (Applause)

baileysan
23rd August 2006, 11:02
Thanks everyone. I shall revert with ships names and any other details as soon as possible

baileysan
24th August 2006, 21:54
Further to my request for ship information

Name is JOHN MELBOURNE BENNETT
Australian by birth however believe lived in Poplar.

Some of the vessels names are :

Auchmacoy
Arete
Berga
Belive Elder Demster vessels. Sailed as C/O between 1945-1948

War Vigour
Naemith
Glenevy
Avon Cliff
Taiposan
Boston City(Reardon Smith??)
sailed in above as 3/Off 1922 thro 1944

Marsdale
Firedog
Rippledyke
City of Brooklyn
Sailed as A/B?? 1950 thro 1956.

Understand some information is forthcoming from Greenwich Maritime Museum (possibly discharge books/papers)

Any info on vessels would be appreciated.

non descript
24th August 2006, 22:02
Well done Baileysan, this should jog a few memories and get some answers for you.

baileysan
24th August 2006, 22:16
Thanks your comments.

There maybe a few skeletons in the cupboard, that is why I am doing a bit of research on behalf

Hugh MacLean
24th August 2006, 22:26
Baileysan,

Here is your starter for ten.

Elder Dempster Line

Auchmacoy Built 1939. Delta ports feeder service, 1964 sold to Odunsi & Co, Lagos. 255 tons.

Arete Built 1925. 1937 purchased from Ocean Transport Co, Harwich, 1947 scrapped. 898 tons. Official No 145407
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War Vigour. Official No 144428

Shipping Controller, managed by J.Chambers & Co, Liverpool;
1920 ANDALUSIER, Lloyd Royal Belge (Great Britain), London;
1923 Lloyd Royal Belge S.A, Antwerp;
1925 WOLFHANDEL, Armement Gylsen SA, Antwerp;
1927 BOIS-SOLEIL, Armament J. Leddet Chaix, Havre;
1937 AFRICAN MARINER, African & Continental SS Co, London;
1940 CASTILLO MONTJUICH, Spanish Government, managed by Domingo Mumbru), Cadiz;
1942 Empresa Nacional Elcano, Cadiz;
14.12.63 last reported at 43.12N 34.20W, went missing.

Bristol City Line

Official Number 134724
Boston City (3) Built 1920. 1951 sold to Sicilia Societa di Nav. Servizi Libera, Palermo renamed Citta di Monreale. 2,869 tons.

Will check some more tomorow.

Rgds (Thumb)

Hugh MacLean
25th August 2006, 17:37
Hi Baileysan,

Rippledyke

Built as Empire Tesbury 1946.
picture here: http://www.helderline.nl/tankers/839/Empire+Tesbury/

Coastal Tanker.
MOWT managed by Anglo-Saxon Petroleum Co.
1951 RIPPLEDYKE, The Admiralty.
1958 Royal Fleet Auxiliary, oil hulk at Gibraltar.
1960 S.Lucchese & L.Esposito, Italy.
1961 Converted to suction dredger.
1965 ADA, Motia Comp.di Nav.SpA, Italy.
1978 Reclassed as barge.
1981 Scrapped Venice.
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SS Firedog

Collier, flat-iron
Gas Light & Coke Co, (Stephenson, Clarke Ltd, managers)
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SS Marsdale
'K' S S Co Ltd, (Kaye, Son & Co Ltd, managers)

Last Name: Psara (1965)
Previous Names: Volta River (1957)
Built: 1939
Ship Type: Cargo Vessel
Tonnage: 4890t
Owner History:
Kaye & Son London
Status: Scrapped - Spezia 1967

Have a look at this thread on here:
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=5505

includes a picture.

Rgds

Hugh MacLean
25th August 2006, 17:55
SS TAIPOSHAN Built as

HANG SANG (1901 - 39) Jardine Matheson & Co


Built by London and Glasgow Eng. & Iron S.B. Co Ltd, Glasgow for ICSNC. 12/39 sold to Pang Kwok Sui, Hong Kong. Renamed TAIPOSHAN. By 12/41 under control of MOWT (Ellerman & Papayanni Lines Ltd, Liverpool mgrs). 3/46 returned to owners in Hong Kong. 11/46 transferred to Tai On S.N. Co Ltd. 10/50 sold for breaking up at Cheung Sha Wan, Hong Kong.
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Avon Cliff built as
War Pioneer 1919.

Tanker. Completed as BRAZILIER, Lloyd Royal Belge (Great Britain), London;
1923 Lloyd Royal Belge S.A, Antwerp;
1926 LOMAS, Buenos Ayres Great Southern Railway Co, London;
1935 Kaye, Son & Co, London;
1936 AVON CLIFF, Severn SS Co (M.Whitwill), Bristol;
1937 ITALO BALBO, S.A.Emanuele V.Parodi, Genoa;
9.9.41 torpedoed and sunk off Elba by Dutch submarine O.24.
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Could the "Glenevy" possibly be the "Glenavy"

Glen Line

Glenavy Built 1917. 1923 sold to Pacific Steam Nav.Co renamed Lagarto. 5,075 tons. 1948 scrapped


Rgds

baileysan
25th August 2006, 20:27
Many thanks to everyone so far, I shall follow up all replies.

I wonder how many people realize the wealth of information this site can produce. I have been in the Marine business for over 50 years but this source is quite amazing.

(Applause)

ruud
30th December 2006, 09:57
SS TAIPOSHAN Built as

HANG SANG (1901 - 39) Jardine Matheson & Co


Built by London and Glasgow Eng. & Iron S.B. Co Ltd, Glasgow for ICSNC. 12/39 sold to Pang Kwok Sui, Hong Kong. Renamed TAIPOSHAN. By 12/41 under control of MOWT (Ellerman & Papayanni Lines Ltd, Liverpool mgrs). 3/46 returned to owners in Hong Kong. 11/46 transferred to Tai On S.N. Co Ltd. 10/50 sold for breaking up at Cheung Sha Wan, Hong Kong.
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Avon Cliff built as
War Pioneer 1919.

Tanker. Completed as BRAZILIER, Lloyd Royal Belge (Great Britain), London;
1923 Lloyd Royal Belge S.A, Antwerp;
1926 LOMAS, Buenos Ayres Great Southern Railway Co, London;
1935 Kaye, Son & Co, London;
1936 AVON CLIFF, Severn SS Co (M.Whitwill), Bristol;
1937 ITALO BALBO, S.A.Emanuele V.Parodi, Genoa;
9.9.41 torpedoed and sunk off Elba by Dutch submarine O.24.
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Could the "Glenevy" possibly be the "Glenavy"

Glen Line

Glenavy Built 1917. 1923 sold to Pacific Steam Nav.Co renamed Lagarto. 5,075 tons. 1948 scrapped



Rgds


Ahoy Hugh & Baileysan,

Here the GLENAVY 1917