John Kelly (belfast) now Kelly Fuels

david macdonald
1st September 2006, 18:30
hello!

anyone out there an expert on the John Kelly costal colliers.....??? the company is now Kelly Fuels with no vessels (altho' they have a gallery on their website where one can order paintings of certain vessels). i would be interested to know what became of the 'Ballymena' and 'Ballylesson' which were around in the early 60's

gdynia
1st September 2006, 18:48
Welcome onboard to SN David and enjoy all on offer heres the answer to your question

S S Ballyhaft 1952 - Greenock 890 1952 - 1970 Sold
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M V Ballyedward 1950 - Faversham 640 1953 - 1970 Sold to Zodiac
Shipping Co.

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S S Ballymoney 1953 - Port Glasgow 1600 1953 -
1971 Sold & broken up
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S S Ballyhill 1954 - Greenock 890 1954 -
1973 Sold & broken up
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S S Ballyllumford 1954 - Glasgow 1500 1954 -
1971 Sold & broken up
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S S Ballymena 1954 - Port Glasgow 1600 1954 -
1971 Sold & broken up
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S S Ballylagan 1955 - Sunderland 1500 1955 - 1970 Sold to Shamrock
Shipping Co.

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M V Ballyloran 1958 - Aberdeen 1290 1958 -
1980 Sold
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M V Ballylesson 1959 - Aberdeen 1290 1959 -
1982 Sold
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M V Ballyrush 1962 - Aberdeen 1930 1962 -
1985 Sold
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M V Ballyrory 1963 - Aberdeen 1930 1963 -
1983 Sold
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M V Ballymore 1950 - Goole 1700 1970 -
1975 Sold
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M V Ballywalter 1955 - Sunderland 2045 1971 -
1979 Sold
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M V Ballyrobert 1951 - Sunderland 1900 1971 -
1977 Sold
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M V Ballycastle 1959 - Grangemouth 2174 1976 -
1981 Sold
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M V Ballykelly 1975 - Foxol 3011 1979 - Sold
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M V Ballykern 1976 - Smit & Toon 2110 1980 - Sold
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M V Balygarvey 1982 - Goole 2535 1982 - Sold
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M V Ballygrainey 1983 2535 1983 - Sold
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mclean
1st September 2006, 18:54
Welcome David. Kelly,s used to be known around Belfast as " Kelly,s coal boats ". Regards Colin

mcgurggle
1st September 2006, 23:11
Captain McCallion would get you a 'pier head jump' if you had been a bad boy & found it hard to ship out. It only cost you a pint in the 'Rising Tide' (rarely closed before dawn) pub..... (Pint)
BTW. The Ballylesson was MY pier head jump.!
McG

david macdonald
2nd September 2006, 10:14
thanks to all for this swift and interesting feedback ! i sailed as a supernumerary AB/steward/dogsbody/whatever on both the vessels i originally mentioned as a summer holiday job in '63 or '64 - i forget exactly which. both were good ships to be on with good crew company as i recall.
i guess it would be called 'work experience' these days as i was considering a MN career. in fact i ended up with a Grey Funnel cadetship and went to Dartmouth, quickly realised error of my ways and transferred to the Royal Marines ! joining the RM with me on the same day was an ex Port Line cadet and an ex. P&O cadet ! were we the MN's loss or gain i wonder..??

i also did work experience on a Bowater vessel between Ellesmere Port / Gravesend and Sweden. must go see if there are any forum threads on this site re. the Bowater ships......again, they were fine ships and crews.

thanks again for the feedback.......david

R58484956
2nd September 2006, 11:23
Welcome onboard David enjoy the site, as you see plenty of expertise and knowledge on here.

Hamish Mackintosh
2nd September 2006, 17:03
Welcome onboard David enjoy the site, as you see plenty of expertise and knowledge on here.
These ships were known as"Ma kellies coal burning submarines "in the early fifties, anyone remember who owned the "Black" boats,"Black Water" "Black Sod " etc? (egg)

gdynia
2nd September 2006, 17:13
These ships were known as"Ma kellies coal burning submarines "in the early fifties, anyone remember who owned the "Black" boats,"Black Water" "Black Sod " etc? (egg)

Hamish
Was it Youghal & Blackwater Tourist Steamship Company Ltd by any chance

Hugh MacLean
2nd September 2006, 17:56
Welcome aboard, David. I hope you enjoy the site.
Rgds

Peter4447
2nd September 2006, 23:38
As a snippet of general interest (although I am sure many SN members will know this already) the first letter of the ships' name after the word BALLY gave a clue to the vessel's approximate tonnage. This naming system was evolved in the early 1950's and, as an example, BallyHill was 900 dwt, BallyKerk was 1,100 dwt, BallyLesson was 1,350 dwt and the BallyM's were 1,700 dwt.
Peter4447 (Thumb)

Hamish Mackintosh
3rd September 2006, 02:49
Hamish
Was it Youghal & Blackwater Tourist Steamship Company Ltd by any chance
Don't Know! thats why I am asking, I remember being in the shipping office in Goole signing on the" Beeding "and the "Black water" was signing on a fireman at the next desk, Ha was a little dark also (Hippy)

Rory
4th November 2006, 13:17
Hello Hamish;

I just saw your Post from way back, and you may have already had you question answered.

I assume you were taking the "Beeding" out of Goole as a new ship, so the year would have been 1950. The "Bally" business had not yet been adopted by John Kelly. However, BLACKWATER-1907 [BALLYGOWAN in 1952] and BLACKSOD-1919 [ex DEVONSHIRE-1894] were "Kelly Boats". Your BEEDING-1950 would also pass into the Kelly? Fleet in 1970 as BALLYMORE.

Cheers,
Rory

duquesa
4th November 2006, 14:13
Oh the memories!! One of my very earliest triips was on the Ballybeg(1896). What a horror. First run was Belfast-Garston-Letterkenny. Going up there we were met by a gang of guys in the upper reaches on each side of the river with large wooden poles. They heaved and pushed our back end round all the bends. I suppose it may have happened in other parts of the world but in my experience I've not seen it. Cant't recall where we went after Letterkenny, possibly Maryport.

Hamish Mackintosh
4th November 2006, 16:53
Hello Hamish;

I just saw your Post from way back, and you may have already had you question answered.

I assume you were taking the "Beeding" out of Goole as a new ship, so the year would have been 1950. The "Bally" business had not yet been adopted by John Kelly. However, BLACKWATER-1907 [BALLYGOWAN in 1952] and BLACKSOD-1919 [ex DEVONSHIRE-1894] were "Kelly Boats". Your BEEDING-1950 would also pass into the Kelly? Fleet in 1970 as BALLYMORE.

Cheers,
Rory

Thanks for the info,no I was a little after her first trip , and yes she did go to Kellies after having a chunk put in her middle to make her longer, that was 1965, then they sold herto Champion shipping of Cyprus,with a name change to Baltica,who in turn sold her to Caliber Marine of Cyprus,same name on the 17th of Jan 1977 she hit an underwater object and was abandoned, taken in tow and on sept 21 1977 arrived at Le Seyne to be broken up, I'm speaking of the Beeding of course a great little ship when "Stevie "had her

treeve
4th November 2006, 21:06
Hello, Just had an email re Kelly Shipping from Rory,
hadn't seen this thread before ....
Kelly Shipping History
http://www.kellyshipping.co.uk/history-company.htm
Loss of the SS BARKLEY at
http://www.irishships.com/guinness_boats.htm
Best Wishes, Raymond

treeve
4th November 2006, 21:07
Forgot list of ships at
http://www.kellyshipping.co.uk/history-ships.htm

Rory
5th November 2006, 01:05
Hi All;

Good of you to post new material on these interesting Kelly Boats.

There are some excellent images of BEEDING-1950, and as renamed BALLYMORE on the GOOLE SITE.

There are two ships for sure in the Kelly Roster that I cannot seem to find anything to confirm their identity. Perhaps a learned gentleman here might help.

I find nothing at all for the first of the two. Yet she appears on the Fleet Lists I have been given.

(1) MV BALLEYEDWARD 1950 – Faversham, 640GRT, Listed as In-service 1953-1970. Sold to Zodiac Shipping
The only 1950 built ship I have for Kelly was a Goole built BEEDING which became BALLYMORE. There must be info somewhere for the Ballyedward. She probably would not have been named with the BALLY prefix in 1950 either, but then the In-service date is shown as 1953.

The second vessel I may [punny] have already, but there are some differences in the year built: and possibly the tonnages.

(2) SS MAY Re-named BALLYARDS 1952. Built 1927 by Ayr, 275GRT, In-service 1927-1955, Sold & broken up.
For MAY I find a 1928 Ailsa, Ayr, Yard 404 at 257GRT. Could this be her? No further details are given on MIRAMAR site or elsewhere.

Any help on getting these two right will be most appreciated.

Cheers,
Rory

Hamish Mackintosh
5th November 2006, 01:13
Hi All;

Good of you to post new material on these interesting Kelly Boats.

There are some excellent images of BEEDING-1950, and as renamed BALLYMORE on the GOOLE SITE.

There are two ships for sure in the Kelly Roster that I cannot seem to find anything to confirm their identity. Perhaps a learned gentleman here might help.

I find nothing at all for the first of the two. Yet she appears on the Fleet Lists I have been given.

(1) MV BALLEYEDWARD 1950 – Faversham, 640GRT, Listed as In-service 1953-1970. Sold to Zodiac Shipping
The only 1950 built ship I have for Kelly was a Goole built BEEDING which became BALLYMORE. There must be info somewhere for the Ballyedward. She probably would not have been named with the BALLY prefix in 1950 either, but then the In-service date is shown as 1953.

The second vessel I may [punny] have already, but there are some differences in the year built: and possibly the tonnages.

(2) SS MAY Re-named BALLYARDS 1952. Built 1927 by Ayr, 275GRT, In-service 1927-1955, Sold & broken up.
For MAY I find a 1928 Ailsa, Ayr, Yard 404 at 257GRT. Could this be her? No further details are given on MIRAMAR site or elsewhere.

Any help on getting these two right will be most appreciated.

Cheers,
Rory

Which Goole Site? Cheers Hamish(K)

Rory
5th November 2006, 02:01
Hamish;

go to;

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/

When it opens go down to bottom of page, and look for

YORKSHIRE WATERWAYS MUSEUM
BUILT AT GOOLE

JUST UNDER THAT IS THE LINK

GOOLE

Then do a search for your ship, and Walla!
Rory

GALTRA
7th November 2006, 00:36
Rory, hope this is of interest ---- ---- BALLYEDWARD -- Built by J.Pollock Sons & Co. Ltd Faversham and launched Feb. 1950 as GOLDLYNX for E.J.Goldsmith,London. (Laid down as aircraft transport SEA GLADIATOR for the Admiralty) 1951 - Sold to Springwell Shipping Co. Ltd; London and renamed SPRINGWOOD. 1953 - Sold to Leadenhall Shipping Co. Ltd; London and renamed LEAFOAM. Later in 1953 - Sold to J. Kelly,Belfast and remnamed BALLYEDWARD. She became their first motorship.. 1970 - Sold to Zodiac Shipping Co. Ltd; Newry, Co. Down for £22,500 and renamed LADY HYACINTH.Company suffered many problems trading her and in - 1973 - Sold by public auction at Rouen to European Ferries Ltd; Dublin and renamed GOLDEN TRADER, registred - Manchester. 1973 - Owners restyled - Commercial Ferries Ltd. 1974 - Scrapped Gilon, Spain. Official no. - 183177, 552gt; 180' x 30'. 1'' x 10'.9'', 480bhp, 9 knots, motor vessel MAY - Built Ailsa,Ayr in 1927 for Sir Samuel Kelly,C.B.E. Station Rd; Belfast. Delivered to the Company in Jan. 1928. 1952 - renamed BALLYARDS. 1955 - Scrapped Port Glasgow. She had been reqisitioned by the Goverment for five years during the war an used as a cable ship at Scapa Flow. Official no.148154, 257gt, single hatch steamer, 34hp, 124'.6'' x 22'.1'' x 9' There was in fact an earlier MAY, but she only spent a few months in Kelly. ownership. Bought from the explosives firm of Kynoch, Arklow Ltd; with three other vessels they were sold for a quick profit to Samuel B. Stevenson, Derry in 1919 BALLYMORE - - Built by Goole S.B. and R. Co.Ltd; as the BEEDING for Stephenson Clarke Ltd; London. 1970 - Sold to J.Kelly Ltd; Belfast and renamed BALLYMORE. 1975 - Sold to Champion Shipping Co; Limassol and renamed BALTICA. 1976 - Sold to Caliber Marine Co; Cyprus. 17th Jan. 1977 - Abandoned after striking a submerged object, Speza to Barcelona. In tow, beached Porquerolles Is. Refloated, towed to Marseilles. 1978 - Scrappd La Seyne. Official no.184300, 1277gt, 224' x 34'.7'' x 14'.6'', 980bhp, 11 knots. gdynia, -- The Youghal & Blackwater Tourist Steamship Co. Ltd; were a company who ran excusion paddle-steamers between Youghal, Co. Cork and Cappoquin,Co. Waterford on the River Blackwater in the early 1900's. All the best, Charley.

Hamish Mackintosh
7th November 2006, 01:12
Hamish;

go to;

http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/

When it opens go down to bottom of page, and look for

YORKSHIRE WATERWAYS MUSEUM
BUILT AT GOOLE

JUST UNDER THAT IS THE LINK

GOOLE

Then do a search for your ship, and Walla!
Rory

Thanks for that Rory!It sure is a great site,now I have pic'sof her from gradle to grave.(Cloud)

Rory
9th November 2006, 09:32
Hello Charley;

The information you supplied is great, and definitely of great interest to me, Thanks. It was pointed out to me that there is some sort of indexing problem with this ship [Ballyedward] on the MIRAMAR Site. To find the vessel one has to have the original name, and then you get the particulars.

The MAY [2nd.] seems to be the one I had found too, but I was not sure earlier if it was the correct one.

On the Kelly site there is a roster of their vessels, and looks really fine. However, there are some missing ships.

[1] Under the “WAR losses” section there is a memorial to the SS Kingstown. This ship is not mentioned in the roster at all in any category.

Then there were the three vessels that wound up as Guinness Boats.

21 CARROWDORE-1914 249 Scott, Bowling
22 CLARECASTLE-1914 256 Scott, Bowling
23 CLAREISLAND-1915 257 Scott, Bowling

There is no mention of CARROWDORE-1914 as a Kelly Boat in the documentation I have. However, I have an image showing her in Kelly livery.

Is it correct for me to assume that if a vessel was owned by Samual Kelly of Belfast, it was a Kelly Boat, and should have shown up in the Kelly Roster [Fleet List]?

Always the questions Charley, but you seem very well versed on the present subject. Any help will be appreciated.

Hamish, Glad you found your old ship on the Riversea Site. A very well run site it is.

Cheers,
Rory

duquesa
9th November 2006, 10:19
Rory, the three "C" colliers, ie. Carrowdore etc., you mentioned were bought by Davidsons, one time coal merchants of Belfast. I did my very first trip to sea on the Carrowdore in the 50's unde Capt Willy Mann. He was one of many N.I. skippers who hailed from Island Magee. I have no idea if Davidsons still operate, I suspect not. Have been away from the N.I. scene for over half a century. Happy days.

duquesa
9th November 2006, 19:42
On this topic, if any of you fine guys out there can track down a shot of the Carrowdore (preferably in her Davidson colours) I would be very grateful.

john shaw
9th November 2006, 20:44
Here's "Ballyknock"-- so named from '52-- built as Glengariff 1936

john shaw
9th November 2006, 21:05
duquesa : on this topic, if any of you fine guys out there can track down a shot of the Carrowdore (preferably in her Davidson colours) I would be very grateful.

A pic of Carrowdore can be found at:

http://www.photoship.co.uk/Old%20Ships/page2.html

GALTRA
11th November 2006, 23:21
Rory, Glad to be of assistance, but I should admit that a lot of my info comes from my friend, Ian Wilson, Bangor, Co. Down, who is the expert on not only Kelly vessels but all Ulster coastal shipping. In relation to the ""KINGSTOWN"" he records her thus -- Built by Ramage and Ferguson, Leith, in 1910 for Hibernia S.S. Co. Ltd; (John Weatherill and Sons, managers.) Dublin. 1935 sold to J.Kelly (Barkley),(an associate company under the Kelly group) 13th.June 1941 she was bombed and sunk 9 miles NW of the Smalls Lighthouse on passage from Waterford to Barry. I have her as above plus -- Official no. - 128863, code - M.B.W.Y; 181' X 27'.7'' X10.8'', 628gt, 81hp. Owner -- Wm. Barkley and Sons Lim. Belfast. But as I already mentioned, this was Kelly ass. company, whence the confusion about her listing.. The other three vessels were part of an order of six from Scott and Sons, Bowling but two, the "CLAREISLAND" and "CARROWDORE"lwhile allready painted in the Kelly colours and funnell they were sold to Guinness and fitted with cooling plant for the transport of Guinness to the Thames. The other of the three "CLARECASTL" became a Kelly ship but she too was sold 11 months later to Guinness in Oct. 1915. She, with the "CARROWDORE" were sold by Guinness to A.S.DAVIDSON in 1953. ------- ------- "CARROWDORE", Built - Bowling 1914. Official no. 132047. 180'.2'' x 29'.1'' x 10'.4''. 599gt. 85hp. Owner - A.Guinness,Son & Co.Ltd; Dublin. 1954 Sold to Arthur S.Davidson,Belfast. 1958 - Broken up by Van den Bossche & Co; at Boom where she arrived on 25th.Nov.'58.. ---- ""CLARECASTLE"", Built - Bowling 1914. Official no. 136345. 179'.9'' x 28'.6'' x 10'.8''. 627gt. 85hp. Owner - Arthur Guinness,Son & Co. Lim. Dublin. 1954 Sold to Arthur .Davidson & Co. Ltd; Belfast. 1958 Broken up by Ayrshire Dockyard Co. Ltd; at Irvine where she arrived on 10th. Dec. '58.. ""CLAREISLAND"", Built Bowling 1915. Official no.136352. 180'.5'' x 28'.6'' x 10'.8''. 633gt. 85hp. Owner - A. Guinnes,Son & Co. Ltd; Dublin. 1931 Sold to Antrim Ore Co. Ltd; Belfast.(J.Fisher & Sons Ltd; Newry, managers)and renamed "GLENDUN" ----- 15th.Feb.1940, Garston for Belfast with coal, Captain Robert Lockhart, master, just after midnight, she ran onto rocks about two miles south of Maughold Head, Isle of Man, and became a total wreck. No loss of life.. Over the years Kelly vessels were listed or owned by the family and associates or partners -- Samuel Kelly, Mrs. Susannah Kelly,John KellyJames Ross,Wm. Barkley & Sons, R. and D.A.Duncan, John Milligen, Alex King, Wm. Jardine, all Belfast and R.McGowen and Sons Tralee, Co. Kerry (one ship, the "KERRYMORE", yellow funnel,1921 - 1958). ps --- There was also another mystry vessel which bore a Kelly name for two years, sold on the stocks by Kellys to the Allied S.N.Co; Hull,(Willmott,Buttle & Co.Ltd;Hull, managers), the "COLLOONEY" was built by Lewis,Aberdeen in 1920, yard no.71, 1922 Sold to Willim Robertson Shipowners Ltd; Glasgow and renamed "TOPAZ". 1956 - Scrapped Port Glasgow. Official no. 144036. code - M.J.V.P. 164'.8'' X 27' X 11'.1''. 577gt. 83hp.

Rory
12th November 2006, 08:47
Hello Charley;

Thanks for all the information regarding the “Hidden” vessels belonging to the Kelly Fleet in one way or another. You certainly have explained much of the missing information, and it is most welcomed. I always seem to want to find the hard ones.

Regarding R.McGowen and Sons Tralee, Co. Kerry (one ship, the "KERRYMORE", yellow funnel,1921 – 1958. It is interesting that the funnel should be yellow. In a black and white photo it is not possible to know yellow from any other light color, but a photo of “Ballyknock” shows her with a solid light colored funnel, possibly yellow or buff.

The info you presented on the MAY is great to as well as the Kingstown, and the “C” Boats for Guinness. I do have to wonder about the four vessels (The 1st May and three others) Kelly bought, and then decided to sell them for a quick “wartime” profit. Even a few months on the Roster makes them a part of the fleet. After all the RMS “Titanic” was not long on the White Star Roster, but we won’t forget her. I went looking for that 1st. MAY, but up on MIRAMAR there are thirteen to choose from. Nothing in the comments section there to point to any one of them. Would be most interested to know more about thes if possible, Charley.

1870 MAY 856
1875 MAY 123
1890 MAY 1178
1891 MAY 656
1897 MAY 950
1898 MAY 1415
1898 MAY 261
1899 MAY 242
1900 MAY 141
1903 MAY 263
1910 MAY 121
1911 MAY 158
1917 MAY 1745
1928 MAY 257

I have been told there was a short history done on The Kelly Boats in "Sea Breezes - "Ian Wilson's little history of John Kelly Ltd published in Sea Breezes in about 1980", Does anybody have a copy? :-)

Cheers,
Rory

duquesa
12th November 2006, 11:46
Have an extensive collection with boxes of spares - will have a shuftie later today.

duquesa
12th November 2006, 11:49
John Shaw, Very many thanks for that and to Galtra for your welcome breakdown. Fills it many gaps.

GALTRA
12th November 2006, 22:48
Rory, I had'nt given much attention to the 1st. "MAY", but now realise that I can answer your question. ----- ------ 1st. - "MAY" Built by Fullerton,Paisley, for Captain T.Burns, Wm.Dunn and T. Matthews, Bangor.(T.Mattews managing owner) in 1898. 1915 Sold to T.Collier, Bray,Co. Wicklow. 1915 Sold to Kynoch Arklow Ltd; London. Summer 1919 Sold to J.Kelly, Belfast, ( with the "ELLER", "GLENARM" and "RIVER AVOCA" and all four sold on in the autumn to Samuel B.Stevenson, Derry.) He renamed her "SILVERSPRINGS". 1928 Sold to Wilson and Reid,Belfast. I930 Sold to P.Berrill,Bristol. 1935 Scrapped Briton Ferry. Official no. 108625. 130' x 21' x 9'.5''. 261gt. 50hp. Ian Wilsons "Kelly History" was published in the July to Nov. 1980 issues of Sea Breezes. All the best, Charley.

GALTRA
12th November 2006, 23:11
Rory Forgot to mention that the "BALLYKNOCK" did indeed carry McGowens funnel colours for a time in 1959, no idea why. Also that I posted a photo of a painting of the 2nd "MAY" on the gallery in May last. Charley.

Rory
15th November 2006, 16:43
Hello Charley;

Thanks for the wealth of information on the various aspects and characters involved with John Kelly operations. I am very familiar with the Sutton family in Cork, but did not know of the connection with Kelly in Belfast.

The R. McCowan [ some spelling McCowen] is a new one, and I think I stumbled upon another vessel for him - Derrymore. The material so far has come from Miramar and the Clydeside sites two great places online for research. Any comment anyone might add to the ships "I Think" might be the correct ones will be most appreciated.

Cheers,
Rory


Single Ship Report for "GLENARM"
IDNo: 1119143 Name: GLENARM Year: 1904
Builder: Bow McLachlan Country of build: Link: 1581 Ship Design:
Location of yard: Paisley Yard No: 175
Keel: Launch Date: 16.6.04 Date of completion: 6.04
Type: Cargo ship Tons: 300 Naval or paramilitary marking : DWT:
Length overall: LPP: 40.5 Beam: 7.0 Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): 1C-10 Material of build:
Owner as Completed: Eglinton Limestone Co Ltd, Glasgow Flag: UK
Subsequent History:
20 ROSSGARRAGH - 27 ISLESMAN
Disposal Data:
BU Nieuw Lekkerland 6.55

LYCIDAS(1904)
LYCIDAS

built by John Fullerton & Company Paisley,
Yard No 175

Built: 1904
Ship Type: unspecified
Owner History:
Ritson & Co



Single Ship Report for "RIVER AVOCA"
IDNo: 1128493 Name: RIVER AVOCA Year: 1909
Builder: Fullerton Country of build: Link: 1582 Ship Design:
Location of yard: Paisley Yard No: 210
Keel: Launch Date: 20.4.09 Date of completion: 4.09
Type: Cargo ship Tons: 322 Naval or paramilitary marking : DWT:
Length overall: LPP: 43.3 Beam: 7.2 Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): 1C- Material of build:
Owner as Completed: Despatch S.S.Co Ltd (J.Tyrrell), Cardiff Flag: UK
Subsequent History:
14 EDENSIDE - 16 RIVER AVOCA - 20 GLENCREGAGH
Disposal Data:
wrecked Vazon Bay, Guernsey 3.6.29

Single Ship Report for "ELLER"
IDNo: 16362 Name: ELLER Year: 1896
Builder: Fullerton Country of build: Link: 1582 Ship Design:
Location of yard: Paisley Yard No: 129
Keel: Launch Date: 27.3.96 Date of completion: 4.96
Type: Cargo ship Tons: 243 Naval or paramilitary marking : DWT:
Length overall: LPP: Beam: Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): Material of build:
Owner as Completed: Flag: UK
Subsequent History:
20 THRUSHFIELD
Disposal Data:
foundered 6nm SE Rathlin O'Birne 28.4.36

ELLER(1896)
ss ELLER

built by John Fullerton & Company Paisley,
Yard No 129
Engines by Ross & Duncan Glasgow

Last Name: Thrushfield (1919)
Propulsion: 2cy 43rhp
Built: 1896
Ship Type: Steamship
Ship's Role: coaster
Tonnage: 243 grt 54n
Length: 125 feet
Breadth: 20 feet 1
Draught: 9 feet 2
Owner History:
R Simpson Whitehaven
Status: Sunk - 28/04/1936

Remarks: wrecked 6miles SE of Rathlin on passage to Ballyshannon with coal. Owners at loss William Reid Ltd Belfast



Single Ship Report for "DERRYMORE"
IDNo: 1120773 Name: DERRYMORE Year: 1905
Builder: Ailsa Country of build: Link: 1015 Ship Design:
Location of yard: Troon Yard No: 142
Keel: Launch Date: 30.9.05 Date of completion: 11.05
Type: Cargo ship Tons: 503 Naval or paramilitary marking : DWT:
Length overall: LPP: 51.8 Beam: 7.8 Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): 1C-10.5 Material of build:
Owner as Completed: R.McCowen & Sons Ltd, Tralee Flag: UK
Subsequent History:
Disposal Data:

DERRYMORE(1905)
ss DERRYMORE

built by Ailsa Shipbuilding Company,
Yard No 142
Engines by Muir & Houston Glasgow

Port of Registry: Tralee
Propulsion: Compound 2cyldr 75rhp
Built: 1905
Ship Type: Steamship
Tonnage: 485t
Length: 170.0ft
Breadth: 25.6ft
Draught: 10.1
Owner History:
R McCowan
Status: Not Recorded -

Single Ship Report for "KERRYMORE"
IDNo: 1135630 Name: KERRYMORE Year: 1921
Builder: Larne SB Country of build: Link: Ship Design:
Location of yard: Larne Yard No: 78
Keel: Launch Date: Date of completion: 2.21
Type: Cargo ship Tons: 509 Naval or paramilitary marking : DWT:
Length overall: LPP: 50.4 Beam: 7.7 Number of screws/Mchy/Speed(kn): 1T-8.5 Material of build:
Owner as Completed: R.McCowen & Sons Ltd, Tralee Flag: UK Subsequent History:
Disposal Data:
BU Troon 13.8.58

Rory
19th November 2006, 05:30
Hello All;

Thanks to Charley the MAY 1st information should be good. The other three may well be questionable. I have tried to gather information from every available [to me] source. I may even have some of these vessels wrong from the outset, but would ask any of you for your views. Any corrections, additions and or deletions will be most welcomed, however small they might be.

The Port of Southampton site with their online Lloyds Registers has helped a great deal. I have noticed that, at the moment, only the registers for 1937 and up seem to work. Those for the years 1930 to 1936, though shown, do not contain any information. Is anyone else here having this problem?

Cheers,
Rory

MAY-1898
IDNo: 108625
A039 - In-Service for KELLY: 1919-1919
1898 Built by John Fullerton & Co., Paisley (Yard# 142)
as MAY for Captain T.Burns, Wm.Dunn and T. Matthews, Bangor. NI
Code Flags
261 grt 130' x 21' x 9'5'' 50hp.
1915 Sold to T.Collier, Bray, Co. Wicklow.
1915 Sold to Kynoch Arklow Ltd; London.
1919 (Summer) Sold to J.Kelly, Belfast.
1919 (Fall) Samuel B. Stevenson, Derry. R/N SILVERSPRINGS
1928 Sold to Wilson and Reid, Belfast.
1930 Sold to P. Berrill, Bristol.
1935 Scrapped Briton Ferry.

ELLER-1896
IDNo: 102463
A040 - In-Service for KELLY: 1919-1919
1896 Built by John Fullerton & Co., Paisley (Yard# 129)
As ELLER for R Simpson, Whitehaven
Code Flags MKNV
243 grt, 54 net 125' x 20'1'' x 9'2'' Engine 2cy 16½'' & 34'' by 24'' CP 43rhp by Ross & Duncan Glasgow
1919 Sold to Samuel B. Stevenson, Derry.
1919 r/n THRUSHFIELD
Status: Sunk - 28.04.1936, Wrecked 6 miles SE of Rathlin on passage to Ballyshannon with coal.
Owners at time of loss William Reid Ltd Belfast

GLENARM-1904
IDNo: 119143
A041 - In-Service for KELLY: 1919-1919
1904 Built by Bow McLachlan, Paisley (Yard# 175)
as LYCIDAS for Ritson & Co.
Code Flags MCFS
281 grt 132.8 x 23.1 x 9.7 Engine 2cy 16½'' & 34'' by 24'' CP 47rhp by Bow McLachin & Co., Paisley.
1919 Sold to John Kelly, Belfast
1919 Sold to Samuel B. Stevenson, Derry.
1920 r/n ROSSGARRAGH
1927 r/n ISLESMAN
1955.06 BU Nieuw Lekkerland

RIVER AVOCA-1909
IDNo: 128493
A042 - In-Service for KELLY: 1919-1919
1909 Built by John Fullerton & Co., Paisley (Yard# 210)
as CARDIFF CITY for Despatch S.S.Co Ltd (J. Tyrrell), Cardiff
Code Flags
322 grt, 43.3m x 7.2m x ?m, Engine 1 CP
1914 EDENSIDE
1916 RIVER AVOCA
1919 Sold to John Kelly, Belfast
1919 Sold to Samuel B. Stevenson, Derry.
1920 GLENCREGAGH
1929 Wrecked Vazon Bay, Guernsey 03.06.1929

treeve
26th November 2006, 21:42
18 pictures of Kelly ships now availabble from Woody IOW.
http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/woody-iow_kelly-coastal_W0QQfciZ15QQfclZ3QQfsnZwoodyQ2diowQQfsooZ2 QQfsopZ2QQfsubZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ8542478QQsofpZ0

Rory
27th November 2006, 04:38
Thanks Raymond;

I saw them just awhile ago. I have bid and won a lot from Woody in recent times. Thing is though, wait a few days and all the Woody images will appear on the Solent Site.

Some of the items posted today by Woody are quite large for what you expect on ebay 900+ DPI is not a bad image for the hobbyiest as is. A few of the pix are new to me, and would like to obtain them if possible.

I have received all the Sea Breezes which contain the History and Roster [Fleet List] for Kelly Shipping. They are great, and so many other ships appear therein I previously knew nothing about.

I have sent a "Thank You" message to the gentleman who went to the great expense and trouble to sent these magazines to me. Not to mention his hospitality. I wish I could hear back from him as he is a member of our site, and I would like to properly thank him up here. A most kind individual, indeed.

Cheers,

Rory

duquesa
28th November 2006, 21:23
Rory, it was a pleasure. Enjoy them. Good to do a favour now and again.
Duquesa.

Rory
30th November 2006, 05:29
Hello Duquensa;

Thank you ever so much for the Seabreezes magazines you sent. Your hospitality is truly incredible. They are simply wonderful to have, and the contents for John Kelly Shipping “The Last Word” on the subject. There are so many other ‘short-lived ships’ in the Fleet List, especially during the World War I period; it would have been impossible for me to have found out about them any other way. I am also interested in the two statements in the December issue – “John Kelly the gun runner”? Guns out of Denmark to Northern Ireland in 1914.
! May I be so naive to ask just who were these guns for?

The history presented therein is really great, and the fleet list seems to sum it all up.

Again, I would like to thank you for your generosity, and if I can be of assistance to you in any way, please do not hesitate to ask.

Cheers,
Rory

duquesa
3rd December 2006, 11:58
Hi again Rory, The topic of Irish Gun Running is deep and mysterious. It was still going until very recently. Also, it is rather long winded to chat about on this site. Have a look at the following, which might answer some of your queries and possibly lead you on to further investigation:-

www.answers.com/topic/larne-gun-running

www.ulster-scots.co.uk/docs/terrorism/gunrunners.htm

You will find reference there to the Balmerino and others. Good luck.

KenLin39
3rd December 2006, 16:11
Is this the one. Ken. ps: AA is for folder use only.

Lefty
3rd December 2006, 22:14
On my 3rd trip in Bank Line I shared a cabin with a guy from Belfast (twocoats) whose mother's family, the Blacks seemed to run Kelly's. I've no doubt he's sleeping as we speak in his Canadian time warp, otherwise I think a good break down of these vessels would have been forthcoming. I heard of nothing else but during the 12 months of sailing with him!
Cheers, H

GALTRA
4th December 2006, 00:33
Hallo again Rory, I think "duguesa" has pointed you to the details of the gun-running event, the ship herself would require as many words to describe as she led a very long and interesting life. Details are -- Built by McIlwaine, Lewis & Co. Ltd; Belfast as the BALNIEL for the Wigan Coal & Iron Co. Ltd; Liverpool in 1886 Named after Lord Balniel, owner of the Wigan Mines. Sold 1909 to Clydeside SS Co. Ltd; Glasgow and registered Glasgow, and in 1910 renamed LONDONER. In 1912 The same owners renamed her CLYDEVALLEY (0ne word!!) Sold 1914 to Hugh Crawford,Glasgow Accuired in April by Major Frederick Crawford at Glasgow on behalf of the UVF she was briefly renamed MOUNTJOY II, and on the night of the 24th April, 1914 she rendezvoused with the coaster FANNY at sea and while the two ships steamed along lashed togather one showing a port light and the other a starboard light a cargo of rifles and ammunition was transferred to the MOUNTJOY II, to be unloaded at Larne and Bangor later that night.. I'm unsure what became of her after that, but in August of that year she was seized in Hamburg. In April 1916 she is recorded as a German Army Transport. Jan. 1919 she was returned and bought by Richard J. Cowser, Glasgow. Sold 1920 to Norman Canning, Glasgow and registered at Larne. Sold 1927 to G. Barry, Glasgow. Sold 1928 to Colonial Shippers Ltd; Guysboro, Nova Scotia and used to run coal to Trinidad and salt back. Sold 1940 to A.S.Publicover, Luneenburg, Nova Scotia, having been abandoned and aground on a sandbank since the slump six years earlier.. 1942 Converted to a motor vessel. Sold 1943 to Halifax Fisheries, Ltd; Halifax, Nova Scotia and traded unescorted to the West Indias during the war. She was later chartered to the Canadian National Railways and survived a number of strandings etc. Sold 1947 to Riverport SS Co. Ltd; Halifax, Nova Scotia. Sold 1955 to Lake Shipping Co. Ltd; Halifax, Nova Scotia. 1966- Offered for sale 1969- Accuired by Samuel J.Campbell, Whitehead,Co. Antrim, and others, Befast who had started a fund to raise £10,000 to buy and preserve her. A crew of ex M.N. seamen sailed her home to Carrickfergus. She proved to be too old and expensive to maintain and was towed to Lancaster to be broken up in 1974, 88 years after she was launched!! Said to have sunk a submarine in W.W.1 and to commerate this a brass star was added to her black funnel. Official no.93690. 174' x 26'.1'' x 12'.622. 223nt 460gt. 80hp. 8 knots.

duquesa
4th December 2006, 09:26
Well done Galtra! Filled in a few gaps for me there. I believe the "Fanny" was noted as "HMS". Any idea what her details were. Interesting also to learn that the old Balmerino was used as a decoy in this excercise.

ruud
30th December 2006, 10:41
Ahoy,
Found 2 BALLY's
1st:BALLYHENRY 1952 built as CATHERINE AIDA1918 ex OLIVINE1923-CARRICKMACROSS1930-WAR CAM[during War-Time]
2nd:BALLYRORY 1963
Hope you like them.

John Baird
12th January 2007, 10:49
Aye , those were the days . How long ago was this ? I am 58 and grew up in a townland bordering the riverbank . From the age of 10 , i used to help the men , with what we called " checking" the ship round the tight bend near the Port. A rope was put ashore with a heaving line and dropped over a bollard that was sunk into the riverbank , then a few turns were taken around the warping drum on the fora,d winch, which enabled the ship to " swing" around the bend , just tide assisted . Great memories. We had many small Dutchmen visiting here , NARWAL, MORAG, ANGEJA, URANUS B etc. etc.

ruud
12th January 2007, 11:34
Aye , those were the days . How long ago was this ? I am 58 and grew up in a townland bordering the riverbank . From the age of 10 , i used to help the men , with what we called " checking" the ship round the tight bend near the Port. A rope was put ashore with a heaving line and dropped over a bollard that was sunk into the riverbank , then a few turns were taken around the warping drum on the fora,d winch, which enabled the ship to " swing" around the bend , just tide assisted . Great memories. We had many small Dutchmen visiting here , NARWAL, MORAG, ANGEJA, URANUS B etc. etc.

Ahoy.
Yep a lot of Dutch coasters[and others] went up the river Swilly to get there, unfortunately I never did, as a lot of artists made some lovely paintings/drawings from visiting vessels.
Yeah those were the days my friend.(Thumb)

John Baird
12th January 2007, 15:00
Thanks Ruud,
I paint and draw those old ships now for a living , as well as local heritage scenes of interest. They bring back vivid memories for the locals still.
Regards from Letterkenny

Portred
30th January 2007, 11:49
I remember in my early teens spending hours on Belfast's Queens Bridge watching the overnight Ferry Boats,Glasgow,Heysham and Liverpool prepare to leave.
The Glasgow Boat, usually a Burns Laird vessel,but on occasions a stand-in Coast Line ship,was nearest to the bridge.
They often employed a bouy located close to the coal quay to winch out into mid-river, especially if another Heysham was double banked.
The tender that was in attendance had 'Ferran' on it, probably the company name.
I also really enjoyed watching the ''Kelly's Coal Boats'',from my vantage point on the bridge.
They berthed quite close to the bridge, usually stern first.
On occasions there were other coal boats with the prefix ''Craig'', as in ''Graigavad''.
I just couldn't get enough of ships and thought about going to sea with
''Kelly's''.
Eventually, I went to sea as an engineer some 8 years later with ''Port Line''.

Rory
2nd February 2007, 00:12
Ahoy,
Found 2 BALLY's
1st:BALLYHENRY 1952 built as CATHERINE AIDA1918 ex OLIVINE1923-CARRICKMACROSS1930-WAR CAM[during War-Time]
2nd:BALLYRORY 1963
Hope you like them.

Hi Ruud;

Nice shots of BALLYHENRY and BALLYRORY. Had not noticed them imbedded in the tread before. Thanks,
Chers,
Rory

Peter4447
12th February 2007, 22:44
Woody IOW has just posted some excellent photos of Kelly boats on E Bay again. Auction finishes 18th Feb 07.
Peter4447

GALTRA
27th February 2007, 19:02
As John Baird has just posted a very fine impression of the Ballygarvey on the gallery, I thought I might try and post this copy of an article I wrote for a local newspaper a few years ago, Hope it's readable, Charley

robandbarbara
19th March 2007, 00:49
Ballycastle. 507/1908 at Bangor N.I.

gsd196830
24th March 2007, 02:10
My Grandfather was the chief engineer on the Ballymoney ,wartime servive on the Glengariff, he also worked the Ballyknock among others. His name was William Hanna ,died in 1968 ,previously he was an engineer with Davidson,his son ,my father ,Eric Hanna worked on most of the Kelly fleet as well as the head line boats and then with the Belfast Harbour Commisioners ,always blames us ,his kids ,for never going to sea properly.I showed him this site and he remembers his dad being late coming home collecting the ballymoney due to the reasons another poster stated ,down by the head.The point of this post is to see if anyone worked with William or Eric Hanna. Thanks and please let me know if either William or Eric ring a bell.

treeve
5th July 2007, 19:29
Hello.
I am trying to help someone track down the ships his great
grandfather sailed on.
He mentions the BRIDEEN as being ON140572 Registered Belfast.
His great grandfather sailed with her in 1937.
I think this may be the John Kelly ship 362 grt; built 1918,
acquired by John Kelly around 1935.
Please can anyone help ...
Best Wishes, Raymond

gil mayes
6th July 2007, 09:53
You can look up details of the ship 1930-1945 in LRs at www.plimsollshipdata.org
This is an invaluable research tool.
Gil.

treeve
6th July 2007, 12:03
Thanks very much for the URL, Gil.
Added to my Bookmarks immediately.
Found a few others for which he is looking.
Best Wishes, Raymond

Dinkyted
12th July 2007, 16:50
Can anyone help with some information on "Basuto". To the best of my knowledge, John Kelly Ltd bought her off Steel & Bennie of Glasgow round about 1919 (along with "Zulu", "Kaffir" and "Arab"). I'm not sure how long the company kept her but she was used to carry coal on the River Lagan. She may have been sold to a company in the south of Ireland before coming back to England in the early 1920s when, under the ownership of William Cooper and Sons of Widnes, Basuto (a Clyde Puffer) was converted to a dumb barge to carry sand and gravel. Are there any photos around?

She survives at Ellesmere Port Boat Museum.

gil mayes
12th July 2007, 22:42
Built Port Dundas 1902 by W. Jacks & Co to own account. 1908: Sold by executors of W. Jacks to K. Law, R. Hetherington and H.A. Wilson, Glasgow. 1917: Sold to John Kelly Ltd, Belfast. 1919: Sold to Steel & Bennie Ltd, Glasgow. 1920: Sold to W.H. Bowater Ltd. 1921: Sold to Wm. Cooper & Sons Ltd, Widnes. 1928: Converted to dumb barge. Registry closed. 1928: Sold to Manchester Drydocks Co Ltd. Re-engined. 1972: Owners re-styled Manchester Marine Ltd. 1979: Sold to Empirewise Ltd, Liverpool.
For further details of all four 'puffers' see Ian Wilson's "John Kelly Ltd an History' published 1981.
Gil.

docdiesel
29th August 2007, 12:12
I last saw the ballylesson in about 1984 along side in Conakry Equitorial Guenea, I can't remember what flag she was flying but she had a full cargo of empty Pepsi cola bottles that i do remember!
I was alongside on the good ship Northridge manged by Everards at the time

paul d
19th September 2007, 14:50
Hi
Just came across this site , really interesting.My Father in Law was a Chief Engineer on some of Kellys boats and would love to know which ones he worked on.He worked all his life on the boats and died onboard in 1988.Any information would be great.His name was Robert Todd.
Paul

shelley
1st October 2007, 20:30
I just read to your reply to someone that you had copies of Ian Wilson's history of the Kelly boats. John Kelly was my great-great-great grandfather, I am trying to find out the history of the company as well as the family members who were apart of it. Would you be able to help me lay my hands on any published information I may find. Thanks Shelley from Canada

R58484956
2nd October 2007, 13:02
Greetings Paul D and welcome to the site. Bon voyage.

david macdonald
2nd October 2007, 13:42
i started this rthread of quite some time ago...glad it has sparked some interest !

anyway, i was on a vessel into Belfast for the first time for very many years 2 weeks ago so am just reporting that the power station served by the kelly vessels is in the process of being dismantled. the quay is still there but i wasn't able to see what had happened to the other quay further into the city where i think the Kelly boats also went.

jmclean
16th January 2008, 21:36
Hi All;

Good of you to post new material on these interesting Kelly Boats.

There are some excellent images of BEEDING-1950, and as renamed BALLYMORE on the GOOLE SITE.

There are two ships for sure in the Kelly Roster that I cannot seem to find anything to confirm their identity. Perhaps a learned gentleman here might help.

I find nothing at all for the first of the two. Yet she appears on the Fleet Lists I have been given.

(1) MV BALLEYEDWARD 1950 – Faversham, 640GRT, Listed as In-service 1953-1970. Sold to Zodiac Shipping
The only 1950 built ship I have for Kelly was a Goole built BEEDING which became BALLYMORE. There must be info somewhere for the Ballyedward. She probably would not have been named with the BALLY prefix in 1950 either, but then the In-service date is shown as 1953.

The second vessel I may [punny] have already, but there are some differences in the year built: and possibly the tonnages.

(2) SS MAY Re-named BALLYARDS 1952. Built 1927 by Ayr, 275GRT, In-service 1927-1955, Sold & broken up.
For MAY I find a 1928 Ailsa, Ayr, Yard 404 at 257GRT. Could this be her? No further details are given on MIRAMAR site or elsewhere.

Any help on getting these two right will be most appreciated.

Cheers,
Rory

The information that I have is that the Ballyedward was sold to Zodiac Shipping of Newry for 22,,000 pounds, and was renamed Lady Hyacinth.

John McLean

jamesmccgloughlin
9th May 2008, 22:12
Have you heard of the Kerrymore
Arrived in Belfast overloaded.Magistrates court. Question, Vessel'name?
Kerrymore your Honour. STiff fineimposed. She'll cary less in future said the magistrate.
Jim McGloughlin

Anderskane
9th May 2008, 22:28
Goodevening Jim, yes thats a good one indeed, I had forgotten about, thanks for reminding us.

regards Kenny.

jamesmccgloughlin
9th July 2008, 22:01
to david mcdonaldfrom jim mcgloughlin.
repeat message.Ballymena scrapped Faslane 1971
Ballylesonlengthened1964g.t.increased1280.1982Afro shipColtd.renamed lino.. thought to be still in service
hope this helps,jim mcgloughlin

Johnnietwocoats
30th December 2008, 01:37
On my 3rd trip in Bank Line I shared a cabin with a guy from Belfast (twocoats) whose mother's family, the Blacks seemed to run Kelly's. I've no doubt he's sleeping as we speak in his Canadian time warp, otherwise I think a good break down of these vessels would have been forthcoming. I heard of nothing else but during the 12 months of sailing with him!
Cheers, H

Strange you should say that Lefty. I think I talked about other things as well.

Click on this link to watch a video I put together just recently about Kellys.
Regards
Johnny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWLwxrt8n4

rannett
18th June 2009, 14:15
Served as apprentice with King Line from 1938 to 1942 on MV King Lud.
Anyone remember or served in King Line, in the good old day.
Would like to make contact with any one from King Line from this era.
Robert

davidhab
19th June 2009, 13:33
My Grandfather was the chief engineer on the Ballymoney ,wartime servive on the Glengariff, he also worked the Ballyknock among others. His name was William Hanna ,died in 1968 ,previously he was an engineer with Davidson,his son ,my father ,Eric Hanna worked on most of the Kelly fleet as well as the head line boats and then with the Belfast Harbour Commisioners ,always blames us ,his kids ,for never going to sea properly.I showed him this site and he remembers his dad being late coming home collecting the ballymoney due to the reasons another poster stated ,down by the head.The point of this post is to see if anyone worked with William or Eric Hanna. Thanks and please let me know if either William or Eric ring a bell.

Hi I think I sailed with a Willam Hanna on the Ballymoney from July 1968 toMarch 1969. I have had a head injury so the memory not good. Taken this info from my discharge books. Does anyone out there remember a David Colin Hoey?

Johnnietwocoats
23rd June 2009, 04:08
Hi all. Please click on the link to see my video Of Kelly's Coalboats.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWLwxrt8n4

Johnnietwocoats

Johnnietwocoats
23rd June 2009, 04:12
Have you heard of the Kerrymore
Arrived in Belfast overloaded.Magistrates court. Question, Vessel'name?
Kerrymore your Honour. STiff fineimposed. She'll cary less in future said the magistrate.
Jim McGloughlin


My Uncle Billy Black was skipper on the Kerrymore in the 50's. He took me with him for three weeks when I was 11 or twelve......

davidhab
24th June 2009, 10:36
Hi all. Please click on the link to see my video Of Kelly's Coalboats.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWLwxrt8n4

Johnnietwocoats

HI Johnnietwocoats FANTASTIC VIDEO OF THE KELLY COAL BOATS WAS ON FOUR OF THEM FROM 1964 FINNISHING ON THE BALLYRUSH 1979. WELL DONE YOUR A STAR. DAVIDHAB

davidhab
24th June 2009, 10:39
My Uncle Billy Black was skipper on the Kerrymore in the 50's. He took me with him for three weeks when I was 11 or twelve......

DID YOUR UNCLE SERVE AS MASTER ON THE SILVER KESTREL / CARRICK KESTREL IS THIS THE SAME PERSON?

clausentum0
23rd August 2009, 19:45
A bit more about the Ballylesson, I came accross this on the outstanding Aberdeen Ships website (which has plans and photos of a huge number of Aberdeen built ships to view or download - excellent for modellers) - 1994 arrived in tow, Porbandar, 06:1994, arrested, settled in shallow water, presumed broken up 'in situ'.
Dimensions Overall: 14 3/6 x 33 5/6 x 205 3/6ft
Gross Tonnage: 1092ton

BillH
23rd August 2009, 22:14
A bit more about the Ballylesson, I came accross this on the outstanding Aberdeen Ships website (which has plans and photos of a huge number of Aberdeen built ships to view or download - excellent for modellers) - 1994 arrived in tow, Porbandar, 06:1994, arrested, settled in shallow water, presumed broken up 'in situ'.
Dimensions Overall: 14 3/6 x 33 5/6 x 205 3/6ft
Gross Tonnage: 1092ton
BALLYLESSON (1959 - 1982)
O.N. 300041. 1,092g. 475n. 1,320d. 220' 0" x 34' 3" x 14' 2½".
Post 1964: 1,280g. 630n. 1,600d 250' 0" x 34' 3" x 13' 11¼".
Post 1994: 1,663g. 498n.
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (340 x 570mm) Polar type engine made by British Polar Engines Ltd., Glasgow. 1,005 BHP.

10.12.1958: Launched by A. Hall & Company Ltd., Aberdeen (Yard No .875), for John Kelly Ltd., (Douglas Watson, manager).

16.2.1959: Completed.

1964: Lengthened.

1965: Suffered damage in collision with Belgian tanker BELGULF UNION in the River Mersey.

1970: Dudley Barry appointed as manager.

1977: Removed from management.

1982: Sold to Afroship Company Ltda, Las Palmas, and renamed LINO.

1986: Sold to Cedar Shipping Company.

1987: Sold to Royal Shipping and Trading Company, Honduras, and renamed CRISTI.

1992: Sold to Samaa Asia Shipping, St. Vincent and the Grenadines registry and renamed SAMAA 1.

1994: Sold to Mir Said Mir Mohsen, Belize, and renamed G. MOTHER.

7.6.1994: Took a heavy list off Bombat and arrived in tow of Indian Naval vessel at Porbandar and was arrested.

8.1994: Reported as having settled in shallow water at Porbandar.

GALTRA
27th August 2009, 14:21
Should any member be interested. There is a copy of Ian Wilson's history of the Kelly company on e-bay at the moment. 27th Aug'09.

Rentaship
8th September 2009, 21:24
As part of my indoctrination when I joined Stephenson Clarke Shipping in their Agency department I made some voyages in 1963 and 1964 on the Ballyrory. In 1963 it was from Blyth to Belfast with household coal then onto Liverpool for a cargo for the 'West' power station before returning to Blyth. In 1964 it was from Liverpool to Belfast and return before heading for Blyth. Marvellous experience. If I remember correctly Captain Ross was the Master, Willie Frank ? was mate, Victor Moore was second mate, Bob Hunter was Chief engineer and Joe Moreland was the cook. Most of the larger vessels in the fleet visited Blyth during my time there, mainly for domestic coal with the occasional 'electric' cargo.

Tankman
13th September 2009, 13:21
A bit more about the Ballylesson, I came accross this on the outstanding Aberdeen Ships website (which has plans and photos of a huge number of Aberdeen built ships to view or download - excellent for modellers) - 1994 arrived in tow, Porbandar, 06:1994, arrested, settled in shallow water, presumed broken up 'in situ'.
Dimensions Overall: 14 3/6 x 33 5/6 x 205 3/6ft
Gross Tonnage: 1092ton

I am using the plans mentioned above together with Jim Pottinger's plans to build a working model of the "Ballyloran" to 1/48th. scale. I am hoping that completion will be around the end of the year.

Chris

billh35
14th September 2009, 11:32
My grandfather used to be a crane driver on the cranes on the coal quay and they always referred to Kelly's coalboats as "Kelly's submarines" as they sat so low in the water!

duquesa
14th September 2009, 12:17
Believe me, some of the old ones felt like they were under the water at times. My God we had some hairy old passages round the top when heading for Donegal or somewhere down west. Loved it!!

Brian Campbell
29th September 2009, 19:28
your model is very good look forward to seeing the end product
my father sailed on her
cheers Brian

BillH
19th December 2009, 13:28
The World Ship Society have just published a new book "Kelly's Navy" detailing the fleets among other things.
Details on their website Worldshipsociety.org.

Tankman
19th December 2009, 18:28
The World Ship Society have just published a new book "Kelly's Navy" detailing the fleets among other things.
Details on their website Worldshipsociety.org.

Received my copy from John Clarkson yesterday together with his new book on Robertson's Gem Line. Some excellent reading ahead(Read) !

Progress on my model of the "Ballyloran" has slowed somewhat, the detail work is taking a bit longer than anticipated but I am now looking forward to a spring-time launch and maiden voyage.

Chris

eriskay
19th December 2009, 19:20
Have just received copy of 'Kelly's Navy' and agree it's an excellent publication .... just awaiting delivery of the William Robertson Gem Line fleet now - both long overdue.

Rory
1st January 2010, 03:42
All you lucky guys "HAPPY NEW YEAR" from my family to yours. I am still awaiting my copy of "Kelly's Navy" posted 'Air Mail' two weeks ago. Must have been dispatched on a DH 'Tiger Moth'. Has there been any hijackings .....lately?
Cheers,
Rory

Tankman
5th March 2010, 15:57
I thought you "Kelly" men would be interested to know that I have completed my model of the "Ballyloran" built from the plans by James Pottinger. I have posted some photographs in the Model Ship Gallery.
The model had her maiden voyage last Wednesday, the weather was rough and windy but the model behaved well and took the heavy seas in her stride. I was surprised how dry her decks remained throughout the voyage even though she was down to her marks.
I must thank Bill Harvey for his book on "Kelly's Navy", knowing more about the company background seemed to add a bit of soul to the model.

Chris17238

Johnnietwocoats
16th March 2010, 18:44
DID YOUR UNCLE SERVE AS MASTER ON THE SILVER KESTREL / CARRICK KESTREL IS THIS THE SAME PERSON?

Hi Davidhab.....I am sorry I never got back to you earlier. I was wandering around Threads...

I revisted here to check out some info on Kellys. Seems they don't have a website anymore. Can you let me know.

Yes Captain Billy Black was my uncle. He was Skipper on the Silver Kestrel out of Carrickfergus for years. I did a couple of trips with him when I was on vacation.

Did you sail with him?

JTC(Smoke)

Johnnietwocoats
16th March 2010, 18:49
I thought you "Kelly" men would be interested to know that I have completed my model of the "Ballyloran" built from the plans by James Pottinger. I have posted some photographs in the Model Ship Gallery.
The model had her maiden voyage last Wednesday, the weather was rough and windy but the model behaved well and took the heavy seas in her stride. I was surprised how dry her decks remained throughout the voyage even though she was down to her marks.
I must thank Bill Harvey for his book on "Kelly's Navy", knowing more about the company background seemed to add a bit of soul to the model.

Chris17238

Wonderful looking Model Tankman. You should be proud of your work....

JTC(Smoke)

Tankman
16th March 2010, 19:52
Thanks for the compliments JTC, Here are some shots of her on the water.

Chris

Lamlash
25th March 2010, 23:12
Kelly's took over Charles M Legg's (Carrickfergus) vessels in 1918. Can anybody tell me what month?

Regards

Donald

BillH
26th March 2010, 00:02
Kelly's took over Charles M Legg's (Carrickfergus) vessels in 1918. Can anybody tell me what month?

Regards

Donald
July 1918 The Company taken over as a wholly owned subsidiary.

Bill

Lamlash
26th March 2010, 10:55
July 1918 The Company taken over as a wholly owned subsidiary.

Bill

Many thanks.

Donald

thefamilyhistorian
8th May 2010, 10:59
Served as apprentice with King Line from 1938 to 1942 on MV King Lud.
Anyone remember or served in King Line, in the good old day.
Would like to make contact with any one from King Line from this era.
Robert

Hello Robert,
I would be very interested to talk with you about the King Lud as my great uncle Capt Benjamin Roderick Evans (Rod) was Capt on the King Lud in the period you mention. I obviously know a little about him but would be very interested to know more. I have a collection of photographs that he took on board and maybe you can identify some of them. Hope you are still interested.
Barbara

davidhab
10th May 2010, 15:43
Hi Davidhab.....I am sorry I never got back to you earlier. I was wandering around Threads...

I revisted here to check out some info on Kellys. Seems they don't have a website anymore. Can you let me know.

Yes Captain Billy Black was my uncle. He was Skipper on the Silver Kestrel out of Carrickfergus for years. I did a couple of trips with him when I was on vacation.

Did you sail with him?

JTC(Smoke)
Hi Jhonnie yes i did sail with him although she had her name changed to the Carrick Kestrel. We sailed from Carrickfergus to Birkenhead, ICI plant on the Manchester ship canal also the odd run Fleetwood. He was agreat man well like by all the crew, the mate on her was a guy called Jim McDonald cant remember the cooks name the greaser was jack Mcgaw. I must check my photo's as I think there is one off your uncle on the bridge if it would be ok to put it on the sites gallery. Good to hear from your and thanks for post. Best Regards David hoey

P H
31st May 2010, 20:39
hello!

anyone out there an expert on the John Kelly costal colliers.....??? the company is now Kelly Fuels with no vessels (altho' they have a gallery on their website where one can order paintings of certain vessels). i would be interested to know what became of the 'Ballymena' and 'Ballylesson' which were around in the early 60's

hi
as i am sure u must know by now, the ballymena, ballymoney, ballylumford,
where scrapped round about 1971 in faslane, the ballylesson was
sold on.


from P H

bbarr
31st May 2010, 23:54
As a 17 year old I sailed out of Belfast, in the 'Rare Old Times' when the Harland and Wolff Shipyard was thriving (1953). I did the maiden voyage from there in the Tantallon Castle, a heavy lift cargo ship of the Union Castle Line.. I very much enjoyed that trip to South and East Africa.
On my return to the Pool in Belfast I was sent to Derry to join the 'Ballybeg' (mentioned previously). Although the expression 'culture shock' was unheard of in those days, it well fits my feelings when I went aboard. I was not unfamiliar with coalboats, having started my sea going career with Wm. Robinson's on the Citrine and stayed on her for nearly a year and really liked it. However, the Ballybeg was a different animal. She was the filthiest and most uncomfortable ship imaginable.The crew were OK although the average.
age must have been around sixty. I did a few runs to Campeltown in Scotland and back to Derry, before returning to more familiar territory. Swearing----never again.

duquesa
1st June 2010, 22:35
The old "beg" was one of my early ships too. From another age altogether!

betty treeacy
5th July 2010, 23:42
Does anyone know about the Carnalea Coal Boat which sailed to the invasion under Capt. Dan Black from Belfast. My late father in law martin Treacy was a fireman trimmer on this and we are trying to find or some info on his shipping career. He was on many ships under Capt. Dan Black.

BillH
6th July 2010, 06:33
Does anyone know about the Carnalea Coal Boat which sailed to the invasion under Capt. Dan Black from Belfast. My late father in law martin Treacy was a fireman trimmer on this and we are trying to find or some info on his shipping career. He was on many ships under Capt. Dan Black.
CARNALEA
O.N. 132028. 579g. 233n. 760d. 178.6 x 28.1 x 10.5 feet.
T.3-cyl. (15", 25½" & 41" x 30") engine made by Aitchison, Blair & Company Ltd., Glasgow. 85 RHP.
26.11.1912: Launched by Scott & Sons, Bowling (Yard No. 241), for John Kelly Ltd., (Samuel Kelly, manager).
1.1913: Completed.
30.9.1914 until 27.3.1915: Government Store Carrier No. 10.
28.3.1916 until 26.5.1917: Royal Navy Collier No.644.
27.5.5.1917 until 31.5.1917: British Expeditionary Force Transport. (Salvage. Calais – Goole).
1.6.1917 until Mid 1919: Royal Navy Collier No. 644.
26.11.1923: Wm. Clint appointed as manager.
1941: Transferred to the subsidiary Wm. Barkley & Sons Ltd., Belfast, (same manager). 25.4.1944 until 6.3.1946: Chartered to the Government during which time was employed on D-Day operations. Departed Thames for Gold Beach in convoy ETC6W expected 12th June. Returned to Southampton for repairs.
1950: Transferred to John Kelly Ltd., (same manager).
1952: Renamed BALLYDOUGAN, (J. G. Christie appointed as manager).
1955: Douglas Watson appointed as manager.
1959: Sold to the British Iron & Steel Corporation and allocated to R. S. Hayes, Pembroke Dock, and resold to Sorema S. P. R. L. Hemiksem for demolition at Antwerp. 10.9.1959: Arrived at Antwerp.
16.9.1959: Work commenced.

david macdonald
1st September 2010, 10:56
a photo of the 'Ballykelly' and some interesting comments on the
Belfast Forum...use link below:
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2404.0

jonesboat
1st September 2010, 17:28
Here's one from my archives, the Ballyloran, one of the Kelly boats that used to run into Preston during the 60's.
Built 1958, in use to 80/81, sold & renamed Alla El Deen, 82 Simone, 84 Simon, 85 disposal & broken up in Holland by 86.

david macdonald
2nd September 2010, 17:58
some info and pics here re. Kelly boats
http://irishcoastshipping.tripod.com/kellys.htm

betty treeacy
7th September 2010, 16:19
Would anyone have a photo of the S.S.Creemuir sunk on the 11.11.1940?

Rory
1st October 2012, 19:50
Betty,
There is a pic of the CREEMUIR here
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?62013
under an earlier name.
Rory

seanmac
5th October 2012, 20:36
Hi David,Kelly boats a real start to a rock dodgers life at sea,Many went on to become Master,coast and deep sea.great little ships great people,true mariners

seanmac
5th October 2012, 20:51
[QUOTE=bbarr;430611]As a 17 year old I sailed out of Belfast, in the 'Rare Old Times' when the Harland and Wolff Shipyard was thriving (1953). I did the maiden voyage from there in the Tantallon Castle, a heavy lift cargo ship of the Union Castle Line.. I very much enjoyed that trip to South and East Africa.
On my return to the Pool in Belfast I was sent to Derry to join the 'Ballybeg' (mentioned previously). Although the expression 'culture shock' was unheard of in those days, it well fits my feelings when I went aboard. I was not unfamiliar with coalboats, having started my sea going career with Wm. Robinson's on the Citrine and stayed on her for nearly a year and really liked it. However, the Ballybeg was a different animal. She was the filthiest and most uncomfortable ship imaginable.The crew were OK although the average.
age must have been around sixty. I did a few runs to Campeltown in Scotland and back to Derry, before returning to more familiar territory. Swearing----never