"H" ships

Jankers
2nd November 2006, 01:27
Hello,

I am bulding a model of the "Hector" and have received very useful information about deck fitting colours but now need further help.

Can anyone advise the type of hatch cover fitted to the Hector?

Also, does anyone know what style of cargo winch was used? (i have been told that Scott equipment was used, but do not know if the winches were "standard" or "Corrector" types.

What type of lifeboat launcher was used?

Finally, any info on the windlass (steam.electric,hydraulic, make?).

To be honest, at the scale of this model, the differences are not likely to be noticeable to 'joe public'.

On the assumption that I ever get it finished I would like to get it right, I may just bump into one of you at the pondside.

best regards.
J.

R651400
2nd November 2006, 08:24
Jankers, I coasted Hector in the '50's.
Remember she was carrying whale-oil in her deep tanks.
My memory tells me all BF "H" class used bog standard hatch boards and canvas covers at this time.
Somewhere in my SN input is a source for the pink boot-topping asked for by another model maker.
I'm sure you'll get the answer to the rest of your questions soon.

Trevorw
2nd November 2006, 12:56
Try www.rhiw.com. They have a section on Blue Funnel which includes some ships plans

Jankers
3rd November 2006, 13:45
Thanks folks.

R651400, thanks you for that, I did imagine they would be 'manual' but it's nice to have it confirmed.

Trevoew, already tried them, all to often the plans only stipulate "suitable fittings" or some such, and it's left to the builder to decide .

I have also tried Blu flu organisation without success, hence this post. I'm just hoping someone might remember otherwisw I shall just have to model a 'period fitting'.

J.

Tai Pan
7th November 2006, 16:09
winches would be electric.

Jankers
9th November 2006, 11:52
Thanks John G,

Any idea what make?

J.

Trader
10th November 2006, 00:10
All the ships that I sailed on from 1952 to 1956 had Laurence Scott winches.I was on the "Ixion" which was a sister ship of the "Hector"

Jankers
10th November 2006, 03:41
Much obliged Trader, now all i need is to find out if
they were the "standard" or "corrector" variety.

J.

Trader
10th November 2006, 18:36
Much obliged Trader, now all i need is to find out if
they were the "standard" or "corrector" variety.

J.

Jankers, what is the difference?.

Jankers
12th November 2006, 05:13
Trader,

From what I can gather the "Corrector" was a little smaller, possibly due to the fact that some of the workings were fitted in an adjacent deck house.

Perhaps the most striking (visual) difference is that the "Standard" had a control box on top of the drive shaft, at the 'operator' end, whilst the opposite end of the drive shaft had an enlarged diameter.

The "Corrector" type's drive shaft has a constant diameter after it leaves the 'operator' end.

Sorry if this is vague, i shall try to scan some pics.

J.

japottinger
13th November 2006, 14:19
Hello,

I am bulding a model of the "Hector" and have received very useful information about deck fitting colours but now need further help.

Can anyone advise the type of hatch cover fitted to the Hector?

Also, does anyone know what style of cargo winch was used? (i have been told that Scott equipment was used, but do not know if the winches were "standard" or "Corrector" types.

What type of lifeboat launcher was used?

Finally, any info on the windlass (steam.electric,hydraulic, make?).

To be honest, at the scale of this model, the differences are not likely to be noticeable to 'joe public'.

On the assumption that I ever get it finished I would like to get it right, I may just bump into one of you at the pondside.

best regards.
J.

See my posting for shot of H class model
regards,
Jim

Jankers
14th November 2006, 23:16
What can I say.

If you are the J Pottinger (and can it be otherwise) whose article on the Hector published in Model Boats mag in 1972, then it's your article which has lead to this model being attempted.

I stumbled upon the mag some years ago, and, always having liked the look of the BF ships, decided to depart my usual time frame of late 19C/early 20thC and have a go at this model. At the time I imagined that detail data would be more easily available but it seems that , once a ship has been passed on or broken, then the documentary history also disappears.

I am left with another problem, however, as the style of winch modeled is unknown to me; my only source is the pics and drawings in John Bowen's Book "A Ship Modelmakers Manual", which show the typical Scott winches, ie the 'T' style.

Do you have any further information?

J.

R651400
18th November 2006, 08:42
Jankers, Doubt you'll need it but pictorial proof of "H"class hatch covers!
Good luck with the project.
Malcolm

Jankers
18th November 2006, 11:08
Many thanks Malcolm.

That's a great shot, now I even have some idea how the rigging was arranged for discharge.

And to think I once worked in the East India Docks, I should have paid more attention.

J.

Frank P
18th November 2006, 13:25
Jankers, there were alot of ship models in Blue Funnel's offices (India Buildings) in Liverpool, my brother tells me that the models might be in a museum in Liverpool. It might be worth a look.

Cheers Frank

Trader
18th November 2006, 18:43
Jankers, Doubt you'll need it but pictorial proof of "H"class hatch covers!
Good luck with the project.
Malcolm

Sorry Malcolm,

They are not hatch covers but cargo tents used to cover the hatches quickly in the event of rain. It could take ages to cover up a hatch, putting beams in place then putting hatch boards on, by then the cargo would have been damaged, hence the tents. They were quite easy to put up using the ships derricks but you had to go around periodically bailing them out if they didn't fit properly.

Trader.

Jankers
18th November 2006, 20:33
Trader,

That's useful info.
The pic seems to have been taken outbound, was there a point at which hatch covers were removed prior to/after docking? Also, do you know of any books/video's that detail discharge procedure? The latter would be very useful as detail pics are hard to come by and fixing points for block & tackle are a mystery to me.

It's not until you start to build a model that you realise just how much 'ship general knowledge' quickly gets lost as technology moves on.


Frank, thanks for that, i learned only the other week that there was a museum in Liverpool, also something in Manchester that exhibits mechanical items. Thats a bit far to travel at this time of year but will be on the agenda next spring.


J.

R651400
19th November 2006, 08:58
They are not hatch covers but cargo tents used to cover the hatches quickly in the event of rain.
Trader.

Thanks info Trader but are the "tents" not the very same canvas used to cover the hatches after the boards were in place?
Had my Hong Kong basket covered in this very same material by Senior Middy on "Glenbeg," painted grey and tied with signal halyard, I passed it on in the '80s
still the best seaman's trunk ever.

Trevorw
22nd November 2006, 19:32
A long shot, but it might be worth a try. Contact, "The Ocean Nestorian Association", a body of ex-Blue Funnel and Glen Line personnel, both sea-going and shoreside, including many Odyssey Works guys.
They publish a monthly newsletter to members, and you could enquire in this.

Jim Hurst is their Newsletter Editor and you can reach him at:-

ONAeditor@aol.com

Regards Trevor w

Jankers
25th November 2006, 01:52
Thanks Trevor, it may be worth a shot, will try him later.

J.

kradford
5th January 2007, 17:03
Hello,

I am bulding a model of the "Hector" and have received very useful information about deck fitting colours but now need further help.

Can anyone advise the type of hatch cover fitted to the Hector?

Also, does anyone know what style of cargo winch was used? (i have been told that Scott equipment was used, but do not know if the winches were "standard" or "Corrector" types.

What type of lifeboat launcher was used?

Finally, any info on the windlass (steam.electric,hydraulic, make?).

To be honest, at the scale of this model, the differences are not likely to be noticeable to 'joe public'.

On the assumption that I ever get it finished I would like to get it right, I may just bump into one of you at the pondside.

best regards.
J.
The hatch board type with canvas is correct.
I know this as I was hit in the leg and paid off in Belfast 1971 with internal bleeding because of said hatch boards.