Houlder Bros pre-sea courses for engineers

malachy
18th January 2007, 07:50
hi,
thought i could see if i could jog a few memories to see if there are any ex-houlders /any engineers who attended the pre-sea courses at plaistow tech.cant exactly remember the other shipping lines who also used these courses but i'm sure shaw savill was one.
i attended feb'70 for six weeks, and was on the same course as colin nolan who was the 5th engineer that was tragically killed on the Royston Grange.colin and i did our first trips on the Bidford Priory,and sadly colin did'nt think tankers were for him.
most of the course group were put up at the Red Ensign Club on dock st. E1,and the highlight of our week was a night out on thursdays at the "Prospect of Whitby" down at Wapping,after we'd been down to see mr.Batchelor for a sub!!! OH HAPPY DAYS

MALACHY

Magnus Flaws
27th January 2007, 15:03
I went to the Poplar college in 1968 for my pre sea training and we stayed at Anchor House in Poplar. Went to visit it last year what changes.

malachy
30th January 2007, 15:17
sorry magnus it was poplar college not plaistow
malachy

hercules
5th February 2007, 20:24
I went to pre-sea at Poplar Tech, Oct 69, also staying in the Red Ensign Club Dock St. Joined Bidford Priory in Kuwait couple of weeks before Christmas, and we headed straight for Japan. Left at the dry-dock in Cadiz in April? 1970. Chief Eng was Ellis Mason, with Willy Wood as Second Eng. Another Junior Eng. on that first trip also progressed to become a Chief Engineer, and we eventually relieved each other on Houlder Offshore.

adrian.d
5th February 2007, 21:16
Went to Poplar Tech late Summer 73. Mr Bruty if I remember was the lecturer. Stayed at The Queen Vic Seamans Rest in Poplar . The Green Man was across the road but went into the Aldgate to the Red Lion (i think) for the "strippers" during the week. Stuart Franzen and Kevin Sheedy (Welsh) are names that rings a bell.

Ship visits to the Nowshera (BI) the Darro ex Carnatic (Royal Mail)

Joined the St Margaret at Port Talbot as first tripper in November 73.

Adrian Donaldson

malachy
6th February 2007, 14:49
hercules,
joined the Bidford Priory at Finnart and then went tank cleaning,then into Cadiz for dry dock for 4 weeks[it was actually fiesta time,had to go on nights,couldn't stand the pace].names that come to mind are chris brannan who was the electrician,stan or charlie hughes/3rd engineer.the other 3rd engineer was known as robbo[robinson]. malachy

marinero
6th February 2007, 20:16
hercules,
joined the Bidford Priory at Finnart and then went tank cleaning,then into Cadiz for dry dock for 4 weeks[it was actually fiesta time,had to go on nights,couldn't stand the pace].names that come to mind are chris brannan who was the electrician,stan or charlie hughes/3rd engineer.the other 3rd engineer was known as robbo[robinson]. malachy

Hi Malachy.
The 3rd Eng. must have been Stan Hughes (Irish Lad) I sailed with him on the Joya McCance many moons ago
Regards
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hercules
13th February 2007, 20:50
Yes I remember Robbo 3rd eng from the North East and Stan Hughes and Chris Brannan. We took crew from the Glasgow Pool who joined at Finnart, and how shall i put it, all appeared to have rubber legs. The Captain was Stan Jacobsen, and the Mate was Nobby Clarke from Aberdeen and I believe the majority of that crew were sent home on arrival at Cadiz. I stayed for most of the drydock including the Fiesta, and escorted the Chief Engs (Ellis Mason) wife back to the UK.

NINJA
13th February 2007, 21:11
Cadiz seems to be a favoured Houlders drydock, did the guarantee drydock on the Cavendish there in 1972.

marinero
14th February 2007, 20:04
Yes I remember Robbo 3rd eng from the North East and Stan Hughes and Chris Brannan. We took crew from the Glasgow Pool who joined at Finnart, and how shall i put it, all appeared to have rubber legs. The Captain was Stan Jacobsen, and the Mate was Nobby Clarke from Aberdeen and I believe the majority of that crew were sent home on arrival at Cadiz. I stayed for most of the drydock including the Fiesta, and escorted the Chief Engs (Ellis Mason) wife back to the UK.

Hi Hercules.
I was with Stan Jacobson when he was promoted and took command of the Bidford priory mid 1965. Worked with Nobby Clark in the Houlder/Comex office in Aberdeen and the Joya McCance(I think) All Nobby wanted was a Masters discharge in his book, a lovely fella with a heart of gold. In fact I attended his funeral.
Regards(Thumb)

malachy
15th February 2007, 09:01
hercules,
when the "Bidford" leftdry dock in cadiz,all spick and span,freshly painted,all systems go,we went down to Bonny in Nigeria and then onto Dakar??? where we discharged the cargo by means of a submarine pipeline to shore.During the 4-8 morning watch[that stan and myself were on ] there was a sudden squall that turned the ship that sharply it snapped the bolts securing the pipeline ,thus causing all the cargo pumps to trip,the boiler safety valves to lift and 3 mile??? of pipe to take off like a kiddies balloon covering "all and sundry" with crude oil.
so for the next 2 months it was clean,chip,and paint on deck!!!!!

think the skipper was captain kerr?????

peter jacobs
10th February 2009, 19:52
Went to Poplar Tech late Summer 73. Mr Bruty if I remember was the lecturer. Stayed at The Queen Vic Seamans Rest in Poplar . The Green Man was across the road but went into the Aldgate to the Red Lion (i think) for the "strippers" during the week. Stuart Franzen and Kevin Sheedy (Welsh) are names that rings a bell.

Ship visits to the Nowshera (BI) the Darro ex Carnatic (Royal Mail)

Joined the St Margaret at Port Talbot as first tripper in November 73.

Adrian Donaldson
hi Adrian,

did you know a David Lindsay Duncan? family of mine, who was a crew member on the ST Margaret.

regards

Peter

Bombersman
11th February 2009, 09:06
When were these pre-sea courses for engineers started? I assume it must have been after I left the Bidford and came ashore in 1967 as I had not heard of them.

My pre-sea training was a five year apprenticeship at “Hawthorn’s” engine works at St Peters, Newcastle building doxfords, steam turbines, condensers, boilers and valves. For the last six months or so of this apprenticeship we were transferred to “Leslies” the shipyard working on the installation of engine room machinery. In parallel with this was a day release to “classes” at college rising to Ordinary National Certificate (ONC) level.

Locally, the company “Hawthorn Leslie” consisted of the engine works known as “Hawthorn’s” and the shipyard known as “Leslies”. This was historic as these were two separate companies before they amalgamated. R.W. Hawthorn was in fact an associate of Robert Stephenson (son of George) and when I was an office boy in 1955/6 we still got mail addressed to Stephenson Hawthorn who still had a steam railway engine factory behind the Newcastle central station. But I digress.



Earlier, Willy Wood was mentioned. Sadly, Willy has now passed away and I am reliably informed elsewhere on this site that he has a carving of the Brandon Priory on his grave stone.

Kind regards to all

Bob W.

adrian.d
11th February 2009, 20:55
Hi Peter

The name you mention doesnt ring a bell but i'm sure there are others on here who might remember him. Was he deck crew or Engine room, may be catering dept ?

Adrian

peter jacobs
19th February 2009, 18:01
Hi Peter

The name you mention doesnt ring a bell but i'm sure there are others on here who might remember him. Was he deck crew or Engine room, may be catering dept ?

Adrian

hi Adrian

to the best of my knowledge he was in the engine room, he sailed on the Darro, Cyprian coast, Palomares, Dukesgarth, St Margaret,Clarkeden acording to his discharge paper..

regards

Peter Jacobs

evan.jones
30th April 2009, 20:03
as i remember in oct/nov 1968 it was houlders/shaw saville/british india that was in poplar where me and derek harwood left to join the mv clerk-maxwell in ba cheers evan

Geoff Clode
29th September 2009, 19:38
Hi I attended Poplar College in 70, The pre sea course was I think 6 wks. I stayed at the Anchor house Hotel. After that joined the "ocean Transport" in Liverpool. She docked with a cargo of sugar. We sailed to Jamaica, Panama and The States.

Magnus Flaws
30th September 2009, 08:32
as i remember in oct/nov 1968 it was houlders/shaw saville/british india that was in poplar where me and derek harwood left to join the mv clerk-maxwell in ba cheers evan

I was on the same course at Poplar before standing by the St Merriel in Liverpool over Christmas and New Year, and then joining the The Brandon Priory. To long ago to remember names but one guy came back from a week home to the west country, with real scrumpy, sore heads all round.

evan.jones
3rd October 2009, 20:48
I was on the same course at Poplar before standing by the St Merriel in Liverpool over Christmas and New Year, and then joining the The Brandon Priory. To long ago to remember names but one guy came back from a week home to the west country, with real scrumpy, sore heads all round.

what i remember was the instructor mcgeorge who was such an interesting bloke that when it was time to go back home to anchor house nobody got up to leave happy memories evan anglesey

Arthur C
16th July 2012, 14:43
Hi All,
I was on the 6 week course at Poplar in June to Mid July 1970, after the course there was a dock strike & I had 2 weeks leave before any service.
Lecturer McGeorge was a laid back character with glasses, his favourite saying was "we're going to sort it all out" was there with Steam man, Rob Varga.

Sad that Steam ships are not so common today, very smooth, but used too much fuel & after the fuel crisis of 1973, were phased out.

Arthur C.

Ken West
23rd July 2012, 05:43
I was with Houlder brothers at the Poplar Pre Sea training for the course January and February 1971 then for my first trip on the Tanker Joya Mccance

Arthur C
23rd July 2012, 10:31
Cheers for reply,
I thought the course was great, informative, helpful & gave good guidance for your first ship. How was the Joya?
She was a fast, Steam Turbine vessel, I was appointed to Motor Ships which were Dirty, noisy, but good to be on.

As you know, the Steam ship's were faster, but used more fuel & the oil crisis of 1973 when oil prices spiralled upwards, gave the death knell unfortunately to Steam propulsion, pity.

Thanks for your mail, its hard to realise that we attended these courses, almost 42 yrs ago.

Thanks, Arthur:sweat: