Hello everyone. I have searched nearly everywhere for someone who may know something about an Engine Room Telegraph that rings 'Make white -Make black' above a 'SMOKE' indicator. I am going to try and attach a picture of the Telegraph made by Chadburns Liverpool. It is marked with a number '1419'. All Chadburn's records were destroyed when the factory was bombed in the War.
It's fascinating me, and the Chadburn Society cannot help.
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My impression is that it is an old telegraph, from the early days of steam military vessels. Yes, I think it's military, not a lot of call for merchant smoke. The 'Feed Trouble' would again indicate the early days of steam, with somewhat unreliable feed pumps. The separation of both feed trouble and voice tube 1 and 2 might indicate 2 separate machinery or boiler rooms. There could still be only a single engine.
I'm not totally convinced that it even is an engine telegraph, 3 'speeds, but no indication for reverse? More of a communication telegraph?
The whole thing just seems really odd to me. If I had to guess (and I AM just guessing) I'd say something off an early torpedo boat or destroyer?
I think its a communication telegraph between Boiler Room and engine control platform on a Naval Ship. I saw similar on HMAS Quickmatch-Quadrant and other 'Q' when serving apprenticeship at Williamstown Naval Dockyard.
Just guessing but boiler room seems to be the best fit. Instruction to stop smoke being as important as making the stuff. Presumably military astern turbine as inefficient as civilian and so absence of direction might suggest an up-and-downer or turbo electric?
An elder brother was on a tanker on passage from Alexandria to Benghazi under escort of a South African naval vessel. A signal was received from the naval vessel requesting that, as she had broken down would they make smoke to give her cover. Once they reached a position close to windward the chief engineer descended below and quickly thick black oily smoke came out the funnel. Shortly after it was noticed through the smoke the naval vessel's signal lamp was urgently flashing, " For Christ's sake stop smoke". (Cloud)
Now that a double ring is likely to bugger up the controls perhaps there should be two extra segments - FCS Full ahead. FCS Full astern although the non directional 'Utmost', as here, also has a ring to it- perhaps it was in more general use? (from 'Make a Signal' I understand it was used in messages maybe also flags?).
Yes, surely for when making a smoke screen. It gets a mention in 'The Ship' by C.S. Forester, which is a fictionalised account of the 2nd Battle of Sirte
"Utmost" surely means Emergency Speed (the wording is shorter!!) It certainly appears to be the Stokehold/Boiler Room Telegraph which would be rang from the Engineroom.
What a pity we cannot pin down the type of vessel. I feel sure 'chadburn's right. This Plate appeared in Anglesey on e-bay a few months ago, but it's then owner had no provenance for it. Must be another somewhere I should imagine.
The 'Old' Tide class of fleet oiler had the 'make smoke' order on the backplate of the manoeuvring flat/boiler room telegraph. I often felt that there should have been a 'make less smoke'designation on the telegraph so that people could tell the difference from normal steaming Horrible class of ship, although a vessel of that class that the Australian Navy inherited, when properly manned and maintained was apparently a popular ship to serve on. Makes you wonder what the poor sods had been on before
Before the advent of radar and other modern innovations, would not making smoke be the best option for a ship in distress. It could be clearly seen above the horizon, whereas distress flares could easily be missed. Distress calls could also be rendered inoperative in the event of equipment failure.
It certainly would Kauvaka. All of the class were more or less the same. Apparently the Australian Navy found the ship to be in a bit of a state when she was handed over but a lot more man power was appointed to her and she was rapidly brought up to scratch. I talked to a R.A.N. officer when I was on an exercise around the Australian coast. He had been appointed to her when she was taken over and said that quite a bit of work in the machinary spaces - including cleaning was required. to make the vessel presentable.
When my little 'puffer', the VIC72, was in steam her engineer told me that there was only a 'voice pipe' which was seldom used. One stamp on the floor of the wheelhouse meant 'STOP', two stamps 'AHEAD'. There seemed to be no call for 'ASTERN' as the Skipper could turn her in her own length more or less. As 'Sparkie' says 'no reverse'. If they missed the quay they would go around again. If she went aground they would wait for the tide.
No telegraph exchanges here then.. just Mark 1 hobnail boot.
If you look in the RFA section at my shots of Empire Gull, you will see a repeater in the boiler room with 'Make Smoke' on it as well.
Not as interesting as the older one though !
Andy
Ah... Empire Gull - brings back memories. Also the quaintly named Empire Fred - built in the early 1940's and scrapped early 70's - The Admiralty certainly got their moneys worth there.
On the plates one day manoeuvring in to Sydney when the bridge phone rang you are making black smoke, advised stokehold, next came you are making white smoke, then advised making grey smoke. So I asked which colour do you want. Oop's the old man was on the other end, I can assure you the chief was not impressed, and being the only Jock on the manoeuvring plates he knew who it was, and I got a bollicking plus a nice we dram.
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