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Old 18th July 2005, 07:04
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Troopships

anyone got any info on the old troopships like the Empire Orwell or the windrush which I believe burnt out.I realise that in war times many ships had their names changed, were painted white with a blue stripe. be interesting to know what became of these ships. probably creeping aroung greek islands under a new name.
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Old 18th July 2005, 19:54
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Empire Orwell Ex empire Doon 1949 ex pretoria 1945. 18036 tons .Built Blohm & Voss Hamburg 1936. 550.0 x 72.4 x 40.4. 6 steam turbined SR geared to 2 screw shafts
2 water tube blrs, MOT run by Orient line.Code flags GRCB. DF,ESD,GyC,Radar.

Empire Windrush Ex Monte Rosa 1946. 14651 tons built 1930 by Blohm & Voss Hamburg
4 diesels 4s csa, sr to 2 screw shafts. 501.0 x65.7 x 37.8. code flags GYSF.
Registered Londo British flag. MOT run by NZ ship; Co DF, Gy C Radar

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Old 18th July 2005, 21:45
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There are some pictures in the gallery of the Empire Ken.
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Old 18th July 2005, 23:09
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As built troopships: -

Dilwara (1936) - Sold 1960 for use as Haj pilgrim carrier, scrapped 1971.
Dunera (1937) - Withdrawn 1961 and converted into scholars cruise ship. Scrapped 1967.
Ettrick (1938) - Torpedoed & sunk on return voyage from North Africa 1942.
Devonshire (1939) - Withdrawn 1962, also used for scholars cruises. Scrapped 1967.
Nevesa (1956) - Withdrawn 1962, also used for scholars cruises. Scrapped 1975.
Oxfordshire (1957) - Withdrawn 1962. To Sitmar as Fairstar. Australian based cruises. Scrapped 1997.

Conversions: -

Empire Windrush (1931) Caught fire and sank in Mediterranean 1954.
Empire Waveney (1929) Caught fire and destroyed at Liverpool during conversion 1945.
Empire Medway (1929) Scrapped 1953.
Empire Fowey (1935) - Withdrawn 1960. Used for pilgrim service Pakistan - Jeddah and off-season voyages to Africa & Far East. Scrapped 1976.

I am sure that if there were any other dedicated troop ships around, one of our members will produce the details.

The entire trooping fleet was retired 1962/3 and replaced by air transport. It follows therefore that none are around today.

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Old 18th July 2005, 23:11
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Fred, Any data on the Empire Ken???
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Old 18th July 2005, 23:21
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Thank you for the information Fred. saw the oxfordshire in falmouth about 1961. last one i ever saw. My elder brother went to the Korean war on the Pride, came back on the orwell. thank you for yuor help.
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Old 18th July 2005, 23:26
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many thanks for the info sir. very impressed with the responces I get on this site from such well informed people. Bill
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Old 18th July 2005, 23:39
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Sorry John, nothing on the Empire Ken. All troopships were named after British rivers and I am not aware of a river Ken.

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I posted a picture of the Empire Ken in the gallery back in March , I took the picture while in the Suez Canal 1948.

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Old 19th July 2005, 02:05
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Dave you gave a full description of the Ken a few months ago, i went back and looked it up, you even mentioned the number of lives that were saved when she was a hospital ship.
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Oh gosh another senior moment I fear.
And in that wonderful list of of troopships by Fred the Nevesa should be Nevasa, just a typo I am sure. And now I am going to have a senior moment and forget I wrote this before I get lynched.
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Old 19th July 2005, 11:01
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Empire Ken Ex Ubena 1945, 9523 tons ,Built 1928 by Blohm & Voss Hamburg.468.6 x 60.2 x 29.7. 2 steam turbs SR geared to one screw shaft. MOT operated by Royal mail SS Co.Registered London British flag. Code flags GKZJ. DF,ESD,GyC,RADAR. 3 DECKS.
Engines by the builder B&V

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Old 19th July 2005, 12:59
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Empire Doon/Orwell was bought in 1958 from MOWT by Blue Funnel and converted to a pilgrim/hadji carrier renamed Gunung Djati. Bought by Indonesian Govt in 1962.
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Oh gosh another senior moment I fear.
And in that wonderful list of of troopships by Fred the Nevesa should be Nevasa, just a typo I am sure. And now I am going to have a senior moment and forget I wrote this before I get lynched.




Thank you for calling it a typo Doug, but actually by the time I had finished plowing through the research for the list I was on my fourth glass of wine.

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Originally Posted by fred henderson
Thank you for calling it a typo Doug, but actually by the time I had finished plowing through the research for the list I was on my fourth glass of wine.

Fred
That wouldnt surprise me at all, it was a great effort though and I reckon u deserved every drop.
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Troopships

As a very young lad,my mother, elder brother and myself sailed from Liverpool to Singapore aboard HMTS Empire Halladale. It was around 1950/51.
My father was serving in the RN stationed at Singapore.
In 1953 we returned to the UK on board HMTS Empire Fowey to Southampton.
Below is what I have collected on these two troopships.
I will attempt to post some old photos of these ships in the appropriate place ( hope it is).
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HMTS EMPIRE HALLADALE.
Length: 160,4 m
Beam: 19,5 m
GRT: 13,589 t
Built: 1922 AG Vulcan, Hamburg, Germany
Operator: Hamburg-S�d
Speed: 15 kn
Passengers: 1,886
Sister ship: Cap Norte
New names: Sierra Nevada 1932, TSS Antonio Delfino 1934, Empire Halladale 1946-56
She was built for Hamburg - River Plate service.
In 1932 she was chartered to NDL for 2 years.
In September slipped out of Bahia and broke through the blockade of Germany
In 1940-43 used as an accommodation ship for the German Navy at Kiel and in Gotenhafen.
In 1945 she took part in the evacuation of the German eastern territories and transported in five operations 20,500 people to the west.
In May 1945 seized by the British at Copenhagen, Denmark and was converted into a troopship.
She was scrapped at Almuir, Scotland in 1956 by Arnott Young.

HMTS EMPIRE FOWEY

Built 1936 by Blohm & Voss, Hamburg
19047 GRT

History

The HMTS EMPIRE FOWEY was built as the "Potsdam" for the far east service of North German Lloyd. During the Second World War, she was used as a troop and accommodation ship. She was seized by the British occupying forces in May 1945 at Flensburg. Re-named the "Empire Fowey", she was re-fitted by Harland & Wolff, Belfast and used as a troopship under P & O management. In 1960, she was sold to the Pan-Islamic Shipping Co of Karachi, Pakistan, for use on the pilgrim service to Jeddah and was renamed "Safina-E-Hujjat". She was broken up at Gadani Beach in 1976.

(from various web pages).
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Old 24th July 2005, 13:09
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[u]Empire Orwell Ex Empire Doon; Pretoria was operated by Alfred Holt from Nov.'58 til Feb.'62 as a pilgrim ship sailing from Indonesia to Jeddah under the name GUNUNG DJATI .She replaced TYNDAREUS
Later she was sold to the Indonesian Government for Hadji use and finally as a troopship.
Broken up in 1987.
She was not looked upon as a favourite assignment amongst midshipmen of that era.!!!

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Old 25th July 2005, 05:50
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Empire Fowey and Empire Halladale

Hi Dave,
Thank you for that information.
Will update my papers on these ships.
I have a lot of memories around these two ships and continue to collect what I can about them.
They may be gone but the names and thoughts live on.
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Old 3rd November 2005, 13:44
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Would like to add to fascinating collection of info about British troopships. The complete collection of "Empire" troopships used at different times after WW2, as more or less regular troopships rather than those still employed as such straight after the war, is I think as I've set out below. I have put the name changes for each ship in order, with the Empire name in capitals:

Letitia BRENT Captain Cook
Elisabethville BURE Charlton Star Maristrella#
Cameronia CLYDE
York Castle COMFORT*
Thuringia General San Martin DEBEN
Potsdam Empire Jewel FOWEY Safina e Hujaj
Antonio Delfino Sierra Nevada HALLADALE+
Ubena KEN
Maiden Castle LIFEGUARD*
Dimboola Hong Siang LONGFORD
Eastern Prince MEDWAY
Pretoria Empire Doon ORWELL Gunung Djati Tanjung Pandan
Prince Henry North Star PARKESTON
PRIDE Charlton Pride Embassy
Scarborough Castle PEACEMAKER*
Rayleigh Castle REST*
Barnard Castle SHELTER*
Thysville TEST#
Cap Norte Sierra Salvada TROOPER+
Linz WANSBECK Esperos
Milwaukee WAVENEY
Patria WELLAND Rossia
Monte Rosa WINDRUSH

* These ships were built as convoy rescue ships
+ These two were sisterships
# These two were sisterships

This list was correct, I think, at 17.02.04
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Old 3rd November 2005, 15:15
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Welcome Martin to the site, what a splendid start to your membership, another fountain of knowledge to add to the ranks of us ex sailors, who left the sea years ago but our minds are still there.
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Old 4th November 2005, 16:14
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Thank you, Senior Member for your welcome!

I am not in fact an old sailor but someone who had an interest in troopships aroused when he sailed in one as a young boy in 1948. Later voyages kept up the interest & have led to the collection of info about the British post-war trooping fleet. I'm hoping to gather even more from this site & to add whatever I can which might be of interest to others.
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Old 4th November 2005, 16:26
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Never mind Martin, anybody with an interest in the sea/ships is a most welcome addition to the membership. The only TS I came across was when I was with the P&O, met up once with the Empire Fowey in HK and went on board for a few drinks with fellow engineers, they liked sailing on her as she was a good ship down below.
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Old 4th November 2005, 16:34
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My first trip was in Empire Windrush to Singapore and then home in Empire Trooper. Then in 1953 I went to HK in Asturias, on one of her first trooping voyages, and then home in Empire Orwell. I saw Empire Fowey in Singapore in about 1949/50 and my research has told me that she was always a happy ship, as you report. Living near to The Solent gave me a good few chances to see other troopers passing by.
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Old 4th November 2005, 20:17
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HI TWO Ttroopships used to come to HULL for repairs and i worked on them EMPIRE PARKSTON EMPIRE WANSBECK. thay tell me the WANSBECK was one of hitlers love for joy ships when it was taken over as a war prize
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Old 5th November 2005, 07:16
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my oldest Brother went out to the Korean war on the Empire pride, he came home on the Empire Orwell. He was lucky,As the windrush was fully loaded!! Believe she caught firwe and sank. stand corrected if I am wrong on that point.
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