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Old 1st March 2006, 21:10
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Does anyone know a site where I can get information on 2 Niarchos ships please? (1) World Conqueror (new in 1962) and Saxon Glen (could be Glade) sailing around in 1953. Thanks. Helen
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Old 2nd March 2006, 07:33
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Hi Helen....the little information I have is taken from a small book I had as a child called 'Ian Allan Ocean Tankers' printed in the late 1950's. It refers to ships starting with the name 'Saxon....' being part of the Niarchos group but does not list any ships beginning with 'Saxon' although it has a photo of the 'S S Saxonsky' with an attached note 'since renamed World Sky.' With that info in mind there is a ship called 'World Glade' details as follows..
World Glade - Built 1952. Tons Gross 11,222. Length 556 Feet. Breadth 75 feet. Speed 14 1/2 knots. Engines Steam Turbine.
There was also a 'World Glen' with all the same statistics except..Built 1953 and Tons Gross 11,221 (1 ton lighter!!)
There were 4 ships in this section of the Niarchos group... Imperial Shipping Investments Co. Ltd. Niarchos (London) ltd. The other ships were the 'World Dale' and the 'World Mead.'
The only 'World Conqueror' I can find (in another book) was built in 1971 so I don't think it's the one you are interested in.
I hope this is of some assistance.
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Old 2nd March 2006, 09:55
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Ciao Helen,I know WORLD SEA built 1953 as SAXONSEA 12,877,g.t. i have not found a WORLD CONQUEROR built in 1962.
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Old 2nd March 2006, 12:24
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Hello Helen,

I think the ship is Saxon Glade. There is a reference to it on Brians site;
http://www.merchant-navy.net/alphalist.html

the list of ships shows people looking for old friends. When you click on Saxon Glade I am afraid there is no mention of anyone conected with the ship, so I suspect that person is no longer available. May be worth giving Brian an email on his site in case he may have some info for you.

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Old 5th March 2006, 18:22
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Ahoy Helen,

Here a scanned page of an Ocean Ships 1967, of The Niarchos Group:
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Old 6th March 2006, 22:25
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Niarchos Ships info.- a thank you!

Just like to thank you all for taking the trouble to reply and for the scanned list.

WORLD CONQUEROR: My father has done a folder of pictures of his ships, bar one or two. I have two of WC and the funnel has an N painted over a white band. He describes it as, "a unique ship of two parts. An old engine from a USA wartime tanker and a complete new hull forward...joined to each other" (and there's more!). No wonder they kept it quiet!!

SAXONGLEN (or GLADE which is what it says in the Cardiff papers I have): Joined it in May 1953 at Walkers Naval Yard and took it on trials. No picture.

I think I possibly sent Brian/Billy a list of his ships to add to the collection a couple of years ago and that's how they got there.

"Ocean" is now another source I can check. All the internet has on Niarchos is personal to the family and nothing about the ships. Again, thanks for trying for me. I'm sorry I started this now, its hard work. Helen
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Old 9th March 2006, 14:32
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Hi all - again.
Just looked through Ruud`s list of Niarchos ships.I see there is no mention of the World Duality which I sailed on as R/O between Dec 72 and May 73 - maybe the whole trip was a dream.
I also sailed on the World Justice from June 73 to Jan 74.
Bloody awful feeders.
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Old 9th March 2006, 14:41
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Ahoy Bob,
Wakey,wakey.

That list was from 1967, and she was built [World Duality] in 1970 as Ore/bulk/oil carrier. Tons Gross:56800 Tonnes DWT:114150 LOA:264 x 38 x 15˝
Sorry I can't scan at the moment, cos my 3-1 printer broke down, and will be repaird now, or maybe I should buy another new one.
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Old 9th March 2006, 15:03
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Thanks for that Ruud - I didn`t realise she was that new.I remeber the Justice as an old banger though.
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Old 9th March 2006, 17:40
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During my time with Niarchos 59/61 the Saxon name had been changed to World eg World Sea and World Sky. World Conqueror was a T2 tanker converted to bulk carrier around 62, see below World Cavalier.
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Old 15th March 2006, 15:09
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Does anybody remember an incident which occured in the Suez Canal early January 1955.
One of the Niarchos World Tankers, [possibly the 'Glory'] collided with the bridge at El Qantara, blocking the canal for a few days and causing quite a backlog of shipping awaiting transit.
I was on the 'Rhexenor' homeward bound from Freemantle to Europe, we moored in the congested anchorage at PortTewfik for a day or two.
I remember one night in the anchorage [Iwas watch below at the time], an Onassis tanker I think the 'Olympic Honour' collided with a sister the 'Olympic Thunder' which was lying at anchor. The Tanker underway struck the anchored vessel just for'd of the bridge on her port side, causing an explosion and a fire. Our motor lifeboat [which as an emergency boat was always lowered and bowsed in at prom deck level at sea] was lowered and crewed.
I don't remember if the boat was sent away to help, I think not.
I remember come daylight seeing the large gash in the anchored ships' hull and a blackened bridge front, a complete contrast to the normal gleaming white paintwork of these fine looking ships.
Can anybody confirm the names of the ships involved or shed any further light on this incident of long ago.
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Old 18th March 2006, 07:30
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Does anybody remember an incident which occured in the Suez Canal early January 1955.
One of the Niarchos World Tankers, [possibly the 'Glory'] collided with the bridge at El Qantara, blocking the canal for a few days and causing quite a backlog of shipping awaiting transit.
The ship was "World Peace" and the master was British. The incident actually made National Geographic of the time with aerial photo of WP well and truly jammed.
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Old 18th March 2006, 10:14
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"World Glen" was ex " Saxon Glen", built in 1953 by Vickers Armstrongs Ltd Walker. Greek Flag, 20,514 DWT. Steam turbines, 6,600 @ 95 rpm.

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Old 18th March 2006, 15:17
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R651400;
Thanks for the info. Yes 'World Peace' was the ship, you have jogged my memory, I dont know where i got the 'World Glory' from, must have something else about the same time. I think it was the 'World Concord' that broke her back in the Irish Sea 1953/4 ish, I may have got that wrong as well.
I wonder what became of the other tankers I mentioned in the incident the 'Olympic Thunder' and the 'Olympic Honour'. I notice Ruuds' Onassis fleet list posted yesterday includes the Thunder but no mention of the 'Honour'.
Thanks. Bruce.
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Old 18th March 2006, 16:03
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Bruce,
The World Glory had her own "happening". On 14.6.1968 she broke in two off Durban, burst into flames & sank taking 25 crew members with her. Photo attached of her at Mena.
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Old 19th March 2006, 11:00
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John,
Thanks for the info. and photo of the 'World Glory', I knew that she been in trouble somewhere but thought it was earlier, may have been another incident?.
It is always sad to hear of of disasters of this type.
Regards. Bruce.
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Old 21st March 2006, 00:32
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This Niarchos line seems a bit dodgy if my dad said World Conqueror was a "ship of two parts" and World Glory broke in two!!
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Old 22nd March 2006, 07:27
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The conversion of T2 tankers to bulk carriers was common practice Helen.
World Peace, Niarchos's first real building went the same way, when she passed her tanker sell-by date.
I could be wrong but this conversion idea could have been pioneered by Skaramanga shipyard nr Piraeus eventually owned by Niarchos.
World Enterprise broke in two as mentioned above in a storm that no ship should have been at sea in especially the size of WE, known then as a supertanker.
World Glory was on the same charter late 50's as when she caught fire and sunk
off Durban some 10 years later.
World Sky is another story, but I'll leave that for now!

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Old 22nd March 2006, 07:43
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Nice anecdote on World Enterprise breaking in two.
Stavros our pumpman on World Peace was same pumpman on World Enterprise.
The pumpman's cabin generally was first aft, with a porthole/window looking forward along the ship.
During the night of the storm, Stavros was wakened by a slight bump and thought the ship had been in collision.
His suspicions were confirmed when looking forard he saw a ship had rammed World Enterprise amidships.
Then to his astonishment he read the ship's name..."World Enterprise."
The broken forard section had been turned round by the storm and was colliding with the aft section.
I believe both sections were put together eventually in Belgium.
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Old 22nd March 2006, 08:51
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I think this was the shipyard owned by Niarchos.
Found this postcard in shoebox number 14, a unique photo as it also depicts some Onassis vessels.
Around 1960-1965 I would say.
Cannot read the names of the ships.
Anybody with better "eyes"???
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Old 28th March 2006, 23:19
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World Glory

I was in 2 way Radio contact with World Glory before she broke in two that day off South Africa. I am still in contact with the R/O who survived that event, and what a story he tells.
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Old 28th March 2006, 23:28
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Jan,
that looks like the Hellenic Shipyards known as HSY at Skaramanga near Piraeus, I spent three weeks there once, and visited Marias Bar outside the Gate, anyone remember that ? And by the way Niarchos did own the Yards then, as I worked with his company.
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Old 29th March 2006, 04:23
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Yes, can confirm this is Scaramanga
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Helen,

I remember the World Conqueror, but all I can say is that she was still around in 1967 as part of the Niarchos Fleet, and I believe she continued for some years after that.,
I will make further enquiries. Adio
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Old 30th March 2006, 23:51
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I finally got around to checking my Tyne shipyard files and found the following about the Niarchos order.

There were to be four tankers built. They were launched and delivered from the Vickers Armstrong Walker yard, in 1953-1954. The ships (In delivery order.) were named Saxonglade, Saxondale, Saxonglen, and Saxonmead. Each was to be approximately 13,322 tons and 20,500 tons dwt.

I have a quote from the one of the launch parties, that they were named differently from the fleet norm of using the prefix "World" because all were specifically ordered fro charter to Anglo Saxon Petroleum Company. Perhaps that charter was up when they were all renamed.

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