[treeve]

PZ Registration Vessels ( Newlyn, Penzance, Mount's Bay )
Over the coming months, I will be transcribing the Fishing Vessel Registers
from the Ledgers. I have photographed every page from 1869 to 1989.
If anyone has any queries on any particular vessel, let me know.
If anyone has anything to add to the information, I would be grateful.
This will be a long term project. I have in mind, also, to transcribe
all of the Penzance Shipping Registers from 1786 to 1993, in the same manner,
as well as The Isles of Scilly ( Ships 1855 - 1994 and Fishing Vessels 1903-1994 ).
These will all be available, over time, on the Net (and that's not a pun).
Best Wishes, Raymond

[benjidog]

Kind of you to offer help Raymond.

Good luck with your transcription - sounds like it will keep you busy over the Winter.

Regards,

Brian

[Steve Farrow]

Ray,
Do you have any idea as to what happened to the collection of the Lowestoft photographer, Ford Jenkins? I had a telephone conversation with his son or grandson a few years ago and he told me that all the plate negs were in boxes and didn't seem interested in what they had! Somebody must hold their copyright.
Steve

[rushie]

Hi Treeve,

There's a small PZ registered vessel based in Teignmouth, she's been there a couple of years now, they did a lot of work on her last summer.

I'm pretty sure she's a "crabber and lobster" boat. I can't remember her name, but I'll nip over sometime and get some photos of her for your collection.

Good luck with the project.

Rushie

[treeve]

Hello again, Steve, I thought the Ford Jenkins photographs were with Lowestoft Heritage, now, but copyright more often than not rests with the owners of the negatives. Only too often happens that docs or photos get left in an attic. I am currently transcribing personal records of a Signalman. Chase the Ford Jenkins collection up, please, someone, before they rot away unseen.
Best Wishes, Raymond

[treeve]

Hi Rushie and thanks for the Teignmouth tip and kind offer.
Just been to see someone here, and I have given him details
of his GG Grandfather's lugger. Best Wishes, Raymond

[mattarosa]

Originally Posted by Steve Farrow

Ray,
Do you have any idea as to what happened to the collection of the Lowestoft photographer, Ford Jenkins? I had a telephone conversation with his son or grandson a few years ago and he told me that all the plate negs were in boxes and didn't seem interested in what they had! Somebody must hold their copyright.
Steve

Hi Steve
I bet Malcolm White would know something about them. I am sure he has used Ford Jenkins pictures in some of his books. He has an Internet site at http://www.maritimelowestoft.co.uk/ but I expect you know him as you seem to know anyone who is anyone in the fishing vessel world.

I'm pretty sure Lowestoft library also has a collection of trawler pics including some GY ones (not many). I found this on the Internet somewhere as well and I got in touch with them recently but don't have access to the details at the moment.

Hilary

[Steve Farrow]

Hi Hilary,
I have spoken to Malcolm White by phone, but it concerned his excellent book, A Century Of Fishing, (they are all excellent though!). I hadn't thought of asking him about the Jenkins photographs, so I might just do that.
Regards
Steve

[treeve]

I have yet to complete the final register of fishing vessels ( I have taken 11,000 photographs of the records so far, around 600 remain ), then will begin the labour of transcription. As I do this, I will commence photographing the Penzance Ship Registers.

[brixhamrfc]

Raymond, do you know when this vessel changed from PZ 17 to BM 17 please? I'll try and get a shot of that one in Teignmouth as well, I am often over that way..........regards, Trev

[treeve]

I thought I have seen a picture of Peel Castle somewhere;
Any idea as to rough date?; As I say, I don't mind trawling
through the files to find specifics, while I am putting this
database together. All the best

[brixhamrfc]

Hi Raymond, it was built in 1929 at Porthleven, and had changed number by mid sixties......I cant be more specific, sorry.... dont spend too much time looking !!!.

[ray1buck1]

Is This image any interest
I found it on my computer I know not where it came from
Ray

[treeve]

PEEL CASTLE

Registry entry Fishing Vessels; PENZ_10; Folio 143
Tonnage re-measured 11th March 1942
PZ17 First Class; Built Newlyn; Auxiliary Motor; Lug; Fore and Mizzen
Nets and Lines
44ft keel; 50.7 ft legth; 14 ft breadth; 6 ft depth; 21.08 tons gross/net ( originally measured as 21.39);
Crew of 6
Entry 8th August 1930
Owners : W H Williams, J Rodda Williams, B G Batten - Newlyn.
Skipper J Rodda Williams, Olive Villa, Boase St, Newlyn.
Entry 10th January 1942
Owners : William Henry Williams, W S Williams, Phyllis Glasson Batten - Newlyn
Skipper Arthur Cadd

Transferred to Reg 6/70

Registry entry Fishing Vessels; PENZ_13; Folio 70
Entry now altered to show Built at Porthleven.
Date of build shown as "not known".
Mode of Fishing now shown as Trawling.
Crew now shown as 4.
Owners, as above.
Entry 1st November 1945
Maj G E W Potter, Churston Hotel, Churstown, Brixham
Later revised to Highfield, Berry Head Road, Brixham
Skipper H G Coyde(?), later W Endecott
Entry 16th March 1947
John Alexander Orme, 6 Gloucester Square, Paddington W2
Skipper William Endecott
Entry 26th January 1949
Gerald Edward Winter Potter of Highfield, Brixham
later of Greenmarch, Churston Ferrers
Skipper William Endecott
Entry 8th August 1949
Joint Owners now Gerald Edward Winter Potter
and Anthony William Rainey of The Quay, Brixham
Skipper William Endecott

Transferred to New Ownership at Brixham
29th February 1955

All the best, Raymond

[treeve]

Originally Posted by ray1buck1

Is This image any interest

Always of interest .... Thank you ...

[brixhamrfc]

Hi Raymond, this is fascinating to me, as H.G. Coyde was my grandfather, .....my parents didnt know he was skipper, so it was a surprise to them.......does the record indicate when it changed registry, or am I being thick ! regards and thank you so much for this, Trv

[treeve]

That would have been the 29th Feb 1955; when it was "transferred".
Glad to have found something really personal for you as well.
All the best, Raymond

[brixhamrfc]

Thank you so much Raymond, that completes the history of one vessel at least !! I am relly chuffed to have this info, especially about my grandfather, regards, Trev

[treeve]

Whilst not a PZ Registration ...
I am trying to help a friend in Australia to discover more details of the fishing vessel that was lost 16th February 1993. Off Padstow, I believe.
His brother-in-law owned the vessel. Owned and working out of Newlyn.
Registration WH 480; Name LIA-G;
Owned by Paul Semmens and Pat Leeds;
Julian Semmens (elder brother) was drowned in the incident.
24.94 grt; 14 metres.
Built 1976.
Please can anyone help with more details of her build, details and history?
Best Wishes, Raymond

[gil mayes]

I recall the vessel, LIA-G (364274)(BM147)details as you quote Raymond and owned shortly after build by Reginald T. Gibbs, Brixham. I believe that she was built by South Ocean Services (or similar) at Portsmouth and the hull form was a repeat of the tug TORBAY ENDEAVOUR, built by them in 1975 - 27g 15,75m (still operating at Limerick for Shannon Towage). Both were based on the hull form of the WW2 Canadian built TANAC tug, ie. a chine hull, about 270bhp. She passed to Timothy S. Thomas, Weymouth and was registered (WH480) after being out of fishing for a couple of years in the early 1980s.
Gil.

[treeve]

Thanks very much, Gil, for that ... picture just received.
Best Wishes, Raymond

[Medic]

Originally Posted by treeve

PZ Registration Vessels ( Newlyn, Penzance, Mount's Bay )
Over the coming months, I will be transcribing the Fishing Vessel Registers
from the Ledgers. I have photographed every page from 1869 to 1989.
If anyone has any queries on any particular vessel, let me know.

Raymond,
This post caught my eye as I have an old photo album containing a number of pictures of Penzance registered vessels eg 570 PZ, PZ 32, 301 PZ.
How far have you got with the transcribing? I'd be interested to know if you can date these vessels from their numbers, some with the PZ as a suffix rather than prefix.
David

[janathull]

I would be interesred in obtaining a photograph of Stevensons Elizabeth Ann webster when she was a sidewinder in the 60s. Cheers janathull.

[treeve]

@medic, @jonathanhull - I will make a note of this and get back as soon as I can; things have not been as good as I would have liked. But the info is still here. Getting back on track.